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Anyways, if I ever make it to medical school, I can judge then whether or not my peers from these universities are having a hard time adjusting, whereas I had 4 years to adjust. 🙂
 
PurpleLove said:
Well if you go to a school with easy classes and minimum effort, you COULD study for 4 years to ensure you know what you have to.
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Right...because their classes aren't teaching them as much as yours. If they DON'T study on their own they will have their @$$es handed to them on the MCAT. You are being spoonfed what you need, and that IS an advantage. You have (I'm assuming, based on how wonderful you play your school up to be) access to a GREAT education, and you're wasting it bitching about how learning more things in more depth (the whole point of a great education) is hard.

You go to a good college to get a good education.
If you don't WANT a good education, a) you shouldn't be there, regardless of its impact on your path to med school and b) why the hell do you want to be a doctor anyway? Go into some other healthcare field which has the same 'help patients' aspect of the MD without the actual 'I like learning things and am willing to do so' part.

If you need GPA padding later, take some postbacc courses. If your school is as good as you say and you are applying yourself as you say, hopefully you will have learned enough by then to get more out of your classes than the professor has to offer, so it won't be a step down for you at that point (though the grade will likely come more easily).
 
Euxox said:
Um, maybe it's because students at DO schools are getting an LCME accredited education?
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Umm... no, they're not. The LCME only accredits US MD programs. Nevertheless, DO programs are thought to be of a higher quality as they have their own US training sites, residency programs, etc. They're seen as a more legitimate backdoor to medicine.

PurpleLove said:
B+. I just had legitimate questions... You think other premeds here aren't confused too?
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You were whining about students with higher GPAs at "easier schools" getting in over you. First, life isn't fair so your question is kind of moot. Second, even if life were fair, the difference b/w course instructors for a given course or b/w different depts. is usually much greater than the avg b/w institutions for a given course or dept. Third, it's not all about being academically elite. Sure, academic achievement is one criterion Admissions utilizes, but it is only one. I wouldn't exactly want an entire class of 4.0/40+ HYPS grads. That sounds absolutely miserable! I also wouldn't exactly want them as my physicians, frankly.
 
PurpleLove said:
Anyways, if I ever make it to medical school, I can judge then whether or not my peers from these universities are having a hard time adjusting, whereas I had 4 years to adjust. 🙂
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Unfortunately what you're going to find if you do end up getting in is that these kids are probably going to be at least as capable and hard working as you are, but without the crappy attitude.
 
music2doc said:
Umm... no, they're not. The LCME only accredits US MD programs. Nevertheless, DO programs are thought to be of a higher quality as they have their own US training sites, residency programs, etc. They're seen as a more legitimate backdoor to medicine.



You were whining about students with higher GPAs at "easier schools" getting in over you. First, life isn't fair so your question is kind of moot. Second, even if life were fair, the difference b/w course instructors for a given course or b/w different depts. is usually much greater than the avg b/w institutions for a given course or dept. Third, it's not all about being academically elite. Sure, academic achievement is one criterion Admissions utilizes, but it is only one. I wouldn't exactly want an entire class of 4.0/40+ HYPS grads. That sounds absolutely miserable! I also wouldn't exactly want them as my physicians, frankly.
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Seriously, they would be SOOOOO boring. Especially the ones who go to WalMart as the best activity on Spring break
 
PurpleLove said:
Anyways, if I ever make it to medical school, I can judge then whether or not my peers from these universities are having a hard time adjusting, whereas I had 4 years to adjust. 🙂
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You have zero evidence that you'll even come 0.01% of a chance to handle medical school. You have an easy chance to pathetically fall flat on your feet in med school in a heartbeat. So remember, you haven't begun to adjust.

If your GPA is bad, you proved nothing. Get those STRONG grades, since subpar grades show a poor work ethic!
 
PurpleLove said:
Anyways, if I ever make it to medical school, I can judge then whether or not my peers from these universities are having a hard time adjusting, whereas I had 4 years to adjust. 🙂
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You are getting 4 years to practice making excuses, whining, blaming, and not taking responsibilities.
 
Stop whining. Study your hardest (emphasis on the -est) and do your best. If you don't make A's, then that is who you are and that cannot be changed. You have to be the best you you can be a trust life can a plan and use for you that is unique. Not everyone can make A's, it wouldn't be as impressive for the ones who did in that case.
 
ruedjgtc said:
SDN please bring in a "drop the mic" smiley, if not just got this post.
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Blizzard18 said:
Stop whining. Study your hardest (emphasis on the -est) and do your best. If you don't make A's, then that is who you are and that cannot be changed. You have to be the best you you can be a trust life can a plan and use for you that is unique. Not everyone can make A's, it wouldn't be as impressive for the ones who did in that case.
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Are you suggesting that we aren't all special snowflakes who can get 4.0s??? How dare you!

/snark
 
PurpleLove said:
Can someone please explain to me how this is fair:

I, and many premeds, find it difficult to get good grades in classes. Whatever, challenge accepted.

But what about schools that make it ridiculously easy to get As. Isn't this setting the person up for failure?
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No. Go there.
 
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kyamh said:
If you go for two years, you probably could not afford other options. If you choose to take physics at a cc as a single class, it is pretty obvious you are trying to protect your GPA. Only one of these looks bad.
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I took physics at a CC because it saved me 20k by dropping me from full time (32k/year) to per-credit part time (460/credit) status at my university. There's a lot of cost savings to be had by taking a few courses at CC.
 
Mad Jack said:
I took physics at a CC because it saved me 20k by dropping me from full time (32k/year) to per-credit part time (460/credit) status at my university. There's a lot of cost savings to be had by taking a few courses at CC.
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Right, and that's what I want to do. Too bad I'll be looked down at for doing so unlike the many, many, premeds who take all classes there.
 
KnuxNole said:
You have zero evidence that you'll even come 0.01% of a chance to handle medical school. You have an easy chance to pathetically fall flat on your feet in med school in a heartbeat. So remember, you haven't begun to adjust.

If your GPA is bad, you proved nothing. Get those STRONG grades, since subpar grades show a poor work ethic!
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Poor work ethic? All I do is work. When many of my friends don't NEED to open a textbook until the day before exams.
 
PurpleLove said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not really.
I have two years left.

I know I can possibly get a few As along with my B+s and go to a crappy med school. Still not my point. I don't care and I won't attend if I need to put extra money in (besides CC classes which I'm banned from).
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Your level of butthurt is solid gold. You've got two years left and are already convinced you'll slack so hard that you will end with a 3.2, refuse to do a postbacc to prove your academic abilities to fulfill your supposed dream, and insist that CC courses are impossible for you to take and get in. Also, you say you can only get into a "crappy" med school when you are, by all appearances, a crappy student in comparison to your peers. You clearly don't have the drive to be a doctor, you are arrogant and have an entitlement complex, and you perform poorly compared to your fellow students. I see no reason even a "lowly" med school would dare accept you.
 
BamaNicole said:
I don't think there is a person on this earth that studies for four years for that test.
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If I had the exams/classes my friends do, I would NEED to supplement my education get a high MCAT score. Of course, most won't until a few months before the exam, so either way they win.
 
PurpleLove said:
Right, and that's what I want to do. Too bad I'll be looked down at for doing so unlike the many, many, premeds who take all classes there.
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I did it and was accepted to erry medical school that interviewed me. If you do well on the MCAT, they wont question it in the slightest. Don't understand why you can't do the same.
 
Mad Jack said:
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Your level of butthurt is solid gold. You've got two years left and are already convinced you'll slack so hard that you will end with a 3.2, refuse to do a postbacc to prove your academic abilities to fulfill your supposed dream, and insist that CC courses are impossible for you to take and get in. Also, you say you can only get into a "crappy" med school when you are, by all appearances, a crappy student in comparison to your peers. You clearly don't have the drive to be a doctor, you are arrogant and have an entitlement complex, and you perform poorly compared to your fellow students. I see no reason even a "lowly" med school would dare accept you.
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Which peers? Compared to anyone in other universities here, I'm gold. Compared to the TOP students here, no.
All students here are as qualified/if not more as the top students at certain schools I'm thinking of. Too bad only the top students at any schools will be given a second look.
 
Mad Jack said:
I did it and was accepted to erry medical school that interviewed me. If you do well on the MCAT, they wont question it in the slightest. Don't understand why you can't do the same.
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Because if I struggle to get B+s here and get As EASILY at cc's, apparently that looks like I'm just trying to raise my GPA.

Even though... that's exactly what a postbacc is.... And just wastes my time and money. They are just money-making businesses, whereas I can drop little money and take different classes at cc's now.
 
KnuxNole said:
Seriously, they would be SOOOOO boring. Especially the ones who go to WalMart as the best activity on Spring break
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THANKS. Technically spring break didn't even begin yet then, I was just getting some essentials for when I come back to school. 😉
 
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Serious question for OP: Which university do you attend? Is it a top 50?
 
I took a Chemistry class at a community college before I began university. It was just like High School Chemistry if not somewhat easier and then I got a C+ here.
I think the argument is that if you can't get As at any university, you won't do well in medical school.
Although this does give an advantage to those people who didn't do anything to get As at their easier universities.
 
HopelessGirl said:
I took a Chemistry class at a community college before I began university. It was just like High School Chemistry if not somewhat easier and then I got a C+ here.
I think the argument is that if you can't get As at any university, you won't do well in medical school.
Although this does give an advantage to those people who didn't do anything to get As at their easier universities.
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Right.... But people who get As with no studying and using previous high school classes sure make great medical school students.
 
PurpleLove said:
...... Is top 50 even considered "top"?
Yes, yes it is.
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Are you seriously belittling top 50 schools when you're talking about going to an easier school to give a false boost to your GPA?
 
Boolean said:
Are you seriously belittling top 50 schools when you're talking about going to an easier school to give a false boost to your GPA?
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No...... But I highly doubt I'd be complaining if I couldn't get As at a non-deflating school. I'd give up.

That's why I want to attend a 100 ranked school this summer. See how I can do. If I struggle at all, I'll give up completely.

If I don't, my argument still stands.
 
Boolean said:
Are you seriously belittling top 50 schools when you're talking about going to an easier school to give a false boost to your GPA?
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Again, false boost? Please explain to me how someone who attends a CC for two years and makes sure to take all pre-reqs then, DOESN'T have a false boost, actually a FALSE GPA?

If they even transfer to a school that TAKES those credits, they will continue to have it easier.
 
PurpleLove said:
Right.... But people who get As with no studying and using previous high school classes sure make great medical school students.
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They sure do given the standard of care in this country is so high and everybody seemed to be pretty happy in the 80s where the docs had mcat and gpa scores that we would consider laughable today when they entered med school.
 
PurpleLove said:
Right.... But people who get As with no studying and using previous high school classes sure make great medical school students.
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You actually have no idea who will make good medical students. That's why there are admissions committees who make this decision and know what kind of students they are looking for and who will succeed.
 
Lucca said:
They sure do given the standard of care in this country is so high and everybody seemed to be pretty happy in the 80s where the docs had mcat and gpa scores that we would consider laughable today when they entered med school.
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Not saying they wouldn't make good doctors, but I'm sure people who struggle with WAYYYYY smarter people at other colleges would too.
 
PurpleLove said:
No...... But I highly doubt I'd be complaining if I couldn't get As at a non-deflating school. I'd give up.

That's why I want to attend a 100 ranked school this summer. See how I can do. If I struggle at all, I'll give up completely.

If I don't, my argument still stands.
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PurpleLove said:
Again, false boost? Please explain to me how someone who attends a CC for two years and makes sure to take all pre-reqs then, DOESN'T have a false boost, actually a FALSE GPA?

If they even transfer to a school that TAKES those credits, they will continue to have it easier.
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Read this. They can phrase it much better than I (particularly the lower half of the article)
 
Okay, so I need to waste a year and a ridiculous amount of money on a post-bacc that I'm pretty sure gives everyone As/Bs to show that I'm capable? Makes sense as that's what those students got at those universities. Still makes no sense why I couldn't just save my money and time now.
 
Boolean said:
Read this. They can phrase it much better than I (particularly the lower half of the article)
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I should just transfer to a community college now for financial reasons then attend a decent state school for financial reasons. My reason for transferring = financial.
 
Boolean said:
Read this. They can phrase it much better than I (particularly the lower half of the article)
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That article doesn't take into consideration the EASINESS of some universities, some of which are ranked like 100. Still ridiculously easy compared to schools like MIT and Princeton.
 
PurpleLove said:
Which peers? Compared to anyone in other universities here, I'm gold. Compared to the TOP students here, no.
All students here are as qualified/if not more as the top students at certain schools I'm thinking of. Too bad only the top students at any schools will be given a second look.
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You do realize you got into that university based on doing well in high school, as well as a test you took in high school? And that your prior performance is in no way representative of your maximum potential? You keep making the case that the students at top schools are "better" students, yet the only thing that seperated them from the "lesser" students were tests that were taken when they were still in high school. There is a good chance that you were a great high school student and that you did well on one or two tests (the ACT and SAT) but these in no way prove that you are a better caliber of college student. They correlate well with college performance, but are not entirely predictive of student quality. Perhaps it is not she who is slipping through the cracks, but rather you who slipped through, and did a bit too well in your teens but can't hack it as an adult. Also, you did state yourself that you don't try all that hard in a previous post, as was pointed out by chipster. Don't play the "I work my butt off and am totally dedicated card" and then say you don't work harder than you have to and that you won't do whatever it takes to get into med school. You're either a troll or a really arrogant and foolish person. That you look down on programs that are merely "in the top 50" and think there are "crappy" med schools in the US signifies that you're a status chaser that wants to attend top name institutions but lacks the intelligence to do so. The best of the best of the best go to Hopkins and Harvard. At best, you are the average of the best, so learn to deal with it, snowflake.
 
PurpleLove said:
I should just transfer to a community college now for financial reasons then attend a decent state school for financial reasons. My reason for transferring = financial.
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Mad Jack said:
You do realize you got into that university based on doing well in high school, as well as a test you took in high school? And that your prior performance is in no way representative of your maximum potential? You keep making the case that the students at top schools are "better" students, yet the only thing that seperated them from the "lesser" students were tests that were taken when they were still in high school. There is a good chance that you were a great high school student and that you did well on one or two tests (the ACT and SAT) but these in no way prove that you are a better caliber of college student. They correlate well with college performance, but are not entirely predictive of student quality. Perhaps it is not she who is slipping through the cracks, but rather you who slipped through, and did a bit too well in your teens but can't hack it as an adult. Also, you did state yourself that you don't try all that hard in a previous post, as was pointed out by chipster. Don't play the "I work my butt off and am totally dedicated card" and then say you don't work harder than you have to and that you won't do whatever it takes to get into med school. You're either a troll or a really arrogant and foolish person. That you look down on programs that are merely "in the top 50" and think there are "crappy" med schools in the US signifies that you're a status chaser that wants to attend top name institutions but lacks the intelligence to do so. The best of the best of the best go to Hopkins and Harvard. At best, you are the average of the best, so learn to deal with it, snowflake.
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No, I'm saying, considering that community colleges/some state schools accept anyone and people generally go where is cheaper/the best school they could get into, smart students will be mixed in with lots of students who aren't as smart/don't try as hard.
 
Mad Jack said:
You do realize you got into that university based on doing well in high school, as well as a test you took in high school? And that your prior performance is in no way representative of your maximum potential? You keep making the case that the students at top schools are "better" students, yet the only thing that seperated them from the "lesser" students were tests that were taken when they were still in high school. There is a good chance that you were a great high school student and that you did well on one or two tests (the ACT and SAT) but these in no way prove that you are a better caliber of college student. They correlate well with college performance, but are not entirely predictive of student quality. Perhaps it is not she who is slipping through the cracks, but rather you who slipped through, and did a bit too well in your teens but can't hack it as an adult. Also, you did state yourself that you don't try all that hard in a previous post, as was pointed out by chipster. Don't play the "I work my butt off and am totally dedicated card" and then say you don't work harder than you have to and that you won't do whatever it takes to get into med school. You're either a troll or a really arrogant and foolish person. That you look down on programs that are merely "in the top 50" and think there are "crappy" med schools in the US signifies that you're a status chaser that wants to attend top name institutions but lacks the intelligence to do so. The best of the best of the best go to Hopkins and Harvard. At best, you are the average of the best, so learn to deal with it, snowflake.
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