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terp720 said:
Of all of your complaints, I think this is the weakest one. That isn't because your school is hard, that's just kind of typical for a lot of places depending on how your professor grades. But what does it matter where you stand. If you're in the top 5%, are you going to stop working as hard? If you know you're in the range for an A, are you going to do the bare minimum to keep your grade?
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No, you can change up your studying/drop.
 
PurpleLove said:
I have a 3.2, above average.
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For the general population of your school, sure. For premedical students, this is WELL below average.

Edit: Premeds who successfully enter allopathic medical schools
 
Boolean said:
For the general population of your school, sure. For premedical students, this is WELL below average.

Edit: Premeds who successfully enter allopathic medical schools
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Yes, but a 3.2 here = above a 4.o (not possible, I know) at lots of other schools. This is going in circles.
 
PurpleLove said:
Right, but I'd change it up.
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so if it's not working (which I assume it isn't if you're unhappy with your GPA and say you do poorly on tests), why don't you just change it up now
 
Boolean said:
Because your argument lacks any substance whatsoever.
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Uh.. The fact that people are arguing with me that a 4.0 at some schools = way less than that here?
This is my argument.

Anyways, I'll take 2-3 upper level Biology/Chemistry courses this summer while taking Physics here. We'll see what happens.
 
terp720 said:
so if it's not working (which I assume it isn't if you're unhappy with your GPA and say you do poorly on tests), why don't you just change it up now
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I know the material backwards and forwards and 10x better than I probably need to. Maybe I'm just not a great test-taker? I don't know what separates an A- and a B+ besides like a question or two?
 
PurpleLove said:
I know the material backwards and forwards and 10x better than I probably need to. Maybe I'm just not a great test-taker? I don't know what separates an A- and a B+ besides like a question or two?
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Ok seriously though, if you knew the material 10x better than you needed to, you wouldn't do poorly on exams, regardless of the questions they asked.

So if you really do know the material.. maybe you're not taking the tests well. Maybe you read too fast and skip over stuff and make silly mistakes.
 
There's definitely a difference between knowing the material and being able to apply it to higher order questions on an exam. Maybe try working on your problem solving skills by doing more practice problems.
 
PurpleLove said:
Uh.. The fact that people are arguing with me that a 4.0 at some schools = way less than that here?
This is my argument.

Anyways, I'll take 2-3 upper level Biology/Chemistry courses this summer while taking Physics here. We'll see what happens.
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There are very few schools which one can attend that provide a bit of a legitimacy to your argument. These schools are at the pinnacle of academic success, and often only accept the most qualified applicants. It is incredibly unlikely you attend any of these schools.

Consider for a second you are participating in a race. The two competitors next to you both have afflictions that make them unable to run at half your speed. You win the race, and they are gasping behind you, still trudging on, ever so slowly. You have won the race, sure. Time wise, you may have scored well above your competitors. Now consider being in a race with others of your speed. You may overtake them, you may not. Your time will be close to theirs if you run as fast as they do. Now, would the time wise difference here make more of a difference? Yes. It certainly provides some legitimacy to your work.

Now apply this to your situation. Currently, you're in the second race. You're wishing to step down to the first race. Do you believe this is a good idea?
 
terp720 said:
Ok seriously though, if you knew the material 10x better than you needed to, you wouldn't do poorly on exams, regardless of the questions they asked.

So if you really do know the material.. maybe you're not taking the tests well. Maybe you read too fast and skip over stuff and make silly mistakes.
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10x better than I need to for medical school, apparently not here.

Maybe not, but I can't change the mistakes I make. I could kiss my professors' asses like most premeds do for a boost, but no thank you.
 
Boolean said:
There are very few schools which one can attend that provide a bit of a legitimacy to your argument. These schools are at the pinnacle of academic success, and often only accept the most qualified applicants. It is incredibly unlikely you attend any of these schools.

Consider for a second you are participating in a race. The two competitors next to you both have afflictions that make them unable to run at half your speed. You win the race, and they are gasping behind you, still trudging on, ever so slowly. You have won the race, sure. Time wise, you may have scored well above your competitors. Now consider being in a race with others of your speed. You may overtake them, you may not. Your time will be close to theirs if you run as fast as they do. Now, would the time wise difference here make more of a difference? Yes. It certainly provides some legitimacy to your work.

Now apply this to your situation. Currently, you're in the second race. You're wishing to step down to the first race. Do you believe this is a good idea?
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Yes, because people are claiming "I'm sooooo below average for medical school" when COMPARED TO PEOPLE at STATE schools that ACCEPT ANYONE? I guess I need to transfer/take some night classes at local universities. I'll do my pre-reqs here, but everything else there.
 
PurpleLove said:
Yes, because people are claiming "I'm sooooo below average for medical school" when COMPARED TO PEOPLE at STATE schools that ACCEPT ANYONE? I guess I need to transfer/take some night classes at local universities. I'll do my pre-reqs here, but everything else there.
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You are beyond helping.
 
PurpleLove said:
10x better than I need to for medical school, apparently not here.

Maybe not, but I can't change the mistakes I make. I could kiss my professors' asses like most premeds do for a boost, but no thank you.
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Actually, most premed grade-mongering pisses profs off...they're not stupid, and nobody likes a brown-noser.
 
PurpleLove said:
10x better than I need to for medical school, apparently not here.

Maybe not, but I can't change the mistakes I make. I could kiss my professors' asses like most premeds do for a boost, but no thank you.
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Come on now... kissin a little ass isn't gonna hurt ya
 
I'm quoting my friend @knv2u for previous thoughts on this issue.

In the post I've quoted, he says that "...every student and GPA should be evaluated in context." Spot on. Completely agree. Who wouldn't? He and I disagreed on how GPAs should be evaluated between institutions, but I think the post I've quoted argues well that GPA should be judged relative to the talent level - on average - at your institution.
 
mehc012 said:
Actually, most premed grade-mongering pisses profs off...they're not stupid, and nobody likes a brown-noser.
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Most TA's/Professors have said if they see you're trying, it can help.
 
In the end, I'm still below average for getting accepted, not denying that. I'm just saying there's a lot wrong with that system.
 
you can always supplement a poor GPA, look at MSAR there are plenty of places that accept subpar GPAs in their 10th percentiles. Just realize that you MUST make up for it in another places i.e. MCAT, ECs, and so forth
 
PurpleLove said:
There's a way of disguising it.
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Most profs are as smart, if not smarter, than you.
Some of them are dumb and can be played, sure, but for the most part they're pretty aware of when someone's trying to game them, they just don't bother to make a big open fuss.
 
JT3 said:
you can always supplement a poor GPA, look at MSAR there are plenty of places that accept subpar GPAs in their 10th percentiles. Just realize that you MUST make up for it in another places i.e. MCAT, ECs, and so forth
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I know, UChicago clearly understands as the average GPA is like 3.6 whereas the MCAT is a 36-37, I believe.

Anyways, if I need to do a post-bacc later, why not start now?
 
PurpleLove said:
There's a way of disguising it.
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Face it, this is just how the system works.

All this debating is nonsense. Like with any profession and other aspects in life, you just got to "play the game".

OP if you don't get your GPA up, you will not get into an MD school. Simple as that. Your complaining is done, we get your point. Do something else now instead of reply to this thread because there are a million better things to do.
 
Part of going to college is relearning how to study. I know school can be tough but remember that some people are still successfully getting good grades.
 
PurpleLove said:
I know, UChicago clearly understands as the average GPA is like 3.6 whereas the MCAT is a 36-37, I believe.

Anyways, if I need to do a post-bacc later, why not start now?
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You gotta start setting your sights a little lower, I know I had to. EVMS, Commonwealth, these schools with lesser academic requirements will be your best bet. If you got the funds of course apply to some reach schools, but realize that with a low GPA it is highly unlikely.

There are also SMP programs, expensive, but if you go in there bust ass and show them what you got you'll have a chance. You have options...

This isn't about other people having it easier, its about you getting in; do what you have to do if your serious about it
 
PurpleLove said:
In the end, I'm still below average for getting accepted, not denying that. I'm just saying there's a lot wrong with that system.
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If you don't have the confidence to get good grades at your school then you should not have gone to that school.

If there are people getting good grades at your school then it is possible for you to be one of them too...

Complaining gets you no where
 
moisne said:
If you don't have the confidence to get good grades at your school then you should not have gone to that school.

If there are people getting good grades at your school then it is possible for you to be one of them too...

Complaining gets you no where
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How was I supposed to know I'd be so dumb here?
 
JT3 said:
You gotta start setting your sights a little lower, I know I had to. EVMS, Commonwealth, these schools with lesser academic requirements will be your best bet. If you got the funds of course apply to some reach schools, but realize that with a low GPA it is highly unlikely.

There are also SMP programs, expensive, but if you go in there bust ass and show them what you got you'll have a chance. You have options...

This isn't about other people having it easier, its about you getting in; do what you have to do if your serious about it
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I have to do a SMP and in total wasted at least 250k more than someone who went to a state school. F.M.L.
 
JT3 said:
You gotta start setting your sights a little lower, I know I had to. EVMS, Commonwealth, these schools with lesser academic requirements will be your best bet. If you got the funds of course apply to some reach schools, but realize that with a low GPA it is highly unlikely.

There are also SMP programs, expensive, but if you go in there bust ass and show them what you got you'll have a chance. You have options...

This isn't about other people having it easier, its about you getting in; do what you have to do if your serious about it
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Also, 3.6 is the lowest GPA I've seen, it's just weird Chicago has that average too, so I'm assuming they put more weight in MCATs.
 
lionWushi said:
If she gets the 3.2 up to 3.4-3.5 and her MCAT is above 32-34, her chances for an MD are much higher than you think.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. However, her current GPA is well below the admitted average, as I stated.
 
The
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medic86 said:
The OP's lack of maturity is astounding. In fact, the average maturity level in hSDN is probably higher.

Take some responsibility. Quit whining about things you can't even remotely change.
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I take full responsibility for not knowing about medical school admissions, wanting to do the best I could in high school and now, and for wasting my money.

Anyways, peace out. Going to celebrate my Bs with my family haha.
 
I am not complaining. I will get my GPA up in local universities/other pre-reqs and I WILL get in. It's just ridiculous the amount of work SMART people at top schools have to put in to get in vs. SMART people at not top schools.
 
PurpleLove said:
I am not complaining. I will get my GPA up in local universities/other pre-reqs and I WILL get in. It's just ridiculous the amount of work SMART people at top schools have to put in to get in vs. SMART people at not top schools.
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What defines smart? Maybe they were smart for knowing about the process.
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PurpleLove said:
I am not complaining. I will get my GPA up in local universities/other pre-reqs and I WILL get in. It's just ridiculous the amount of work SMART people at top schools have to put in to get in vs. SMART people at not top schools.
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Theoretically, it's about what you learn, not what your gorram GPA looks like. You should count yourself lucky for the opportunity you have where you are.
 
PurpleLove said:
I am not complaining. I will get my GPA up in local universities/other pre-reqs and I WILL get in. It's just ridiculous the amount of work SMART people at top schools have to put in to get in vs. SMART people at not top schools.
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You are clearly not as smart as you think...
 
PurpleLove said:
I take full responsibility for not knowing about medical school admissions, wanting to do the best I could in high school and now, and for wasting my money.

Anyways, peace out. Going to celebrate my Bs with my family haha.
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They will be much prouder for you giving up your dreams and going to Harvard for PhD than carrying your dreams on at the worst medical school in the country.
 
PurpleLove said:
Also, no I probably will be doing bad on the MCAT. I have no time to study for it. I'm sure if my classes didn't take up so much time or if I was naturally smart, I could study for it.
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If this is the case, you are clearly NOT learning the material '10x better than necessary'

Sounds to me like the 'unfair' part isn't that you won't get in - you have in no way demonstrated your capacity to succeed in med school. The unfair part is, as you say, that other people who are equally as unqualified as you might get in. However, that's not a reason for you to whine - you're getting exactly what you've earned. It's not a reason for them to whine - they get a second chance and many of them make it once they put their nose to the grindstone. It's not unfair to those who go to schools which you consider 'lesser' than your own, because many of them chose their schools for multiple reasons other than ability to get in at your lofty institution, and should not be barred from the MD for it.

You're getting exactly the opportunity you have earned. Some people may get more than they've earned, but so what? It's no skin off your back.

And for the record, I also went to a challenging, well-ranked school and ended up with a 'meh for med school' gpa. I don't regret it - I learned a TON in that school, both academically and personally, and I would not be where I am now without it. Do I have to do a postbacc? Yup. But damn it seems easy now after my ugrad courses! And I am getting to take super interesting upper levels as my postbacc which I think will help me in the long run. I learned how to think critically, synthesize bucketloads of primary research and critique data. I learned how to make myself happy. I am learning how to study efficiently for long-term retention of boatloads of info. I will be a better med student and eventually a better doctor for the route I have taken, and I regret almost nothing (everyone's got 1 or 2 things, right?)

Crank out the rest of your ugrad years, learn to learn better, take a year or two with some cool clinical or research job and some interesting classes on the side (get dat 4.0) - it should be easy for you if your courses are as hard as you are saying. Take your MCAT when you have the time (and learn how to deal with NOT having the time while you're at it). 2yrs sounds like a long time, but it's really not...though it is long enough to make a difference.
 
BamaNicole said:
..........but I thought you said it was an intelligence test.
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Partly, I think so. I mean if someone spends 4 years studying for it, they're obviously going to see some results, but those results will be capped to a certain point. Isn't that how all standardized tests are....?
 
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