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[Lawpy]

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Just days ago they stoked panic, telling us millions would die unless we stayed home in perpetual lockdown. Suddenly and without medical or epidemiological explanation, they’ve cast their own lockdowns aside for mass gatherings during a pandemic, to make a political statement.

Will thousand die from Coronavirus due to these public, political gatherings?

If not, have the medical and media communities knowingly promoted the most economically destructive con job in world history?

Suddenly, Public Health Officials Say Social Justice Matters More Than Social Distance

For months, health experts told Americans to stay home. Now, many are encouraging the public to join mass protests.

www.politico.com

It stinks that medicine is getting ruined by "experts" polluting their recommendations with political beliefs

 

[Birdstrike]

It stinks that medicine is getting ruined by "experts" polluting their recommendations with political beliefs

It reallly does. I'd like to assume there was a past "Golden Age" where this wasn't the case, but that would probably very wishful hindsight bias. We are a very flawed species. Our brains evolved not the have a perfect interpretation of the world around us, but simply to spread our genes to the next generation. That doesn't require a very high level of anything.

 

[Lawpy]

It reallly does. I'd like to assume there was a past "Golden Age" where this wasn't the case, but that would probably very wishful hindsight bias. We are a very flawed species. Our brains evolved not the have a perfect interpretation of the world around us, but simply to spread our genes to the next generation. That doesn't require a very high level of anything.

I'm just depressed to see A LOT of really garbage research published rapidly. Even NEJM and Lancet aren't immune. Covid-19 has driven a lot of doctors and scientists insane to the point of publishing some random crap they find to see if something sticks. The two garbage Mehra papers have been a pretty severe blow for me largely because i thought they gave critical direction. Now i don't know what to believe anymore if science is getting ruined.

 

[Lawpy]

Lancet, New England Journal retract Covid-19 studies, including one that raised safety concerns about malaria drugs

Lancet retracts major Covid-19 paper on malaria drug that sparked backlash.

www.statnews.com

 

[wamcp]

Just days ago, health and media "experts" stoked panic, telling us millions would die unless we stayed home in perpetual lockdown. Suddenly and without medical or epidemiological explanation, they’ve cast their own lockdowns aside for mass gatherings during a pandemic, to make a political statement.

Are they knowingly allowing thousands to die from Coronavirus due to these public, political gatherings?

If they know that's not the case, have the medical and media communities knowingly promoted the most economically destructive con job in world history?

Suddenly, Public Health Officials Say Social Justice Matters More Than Social Distance

For months, health experts told Americans to stay home. Now, many are encouraging the public to join mass protests.

www.politico.com

So they tell us lockdown saves lives but mass gathering protests are totally ok and encouraged as long as it aligns their political beliefs?

Nothing more infuriating than hundreds of healthcare “professionals” signing an open letter of this:

Those protests against stay-at-home orders “not only oppose public health interventions, but are also rooted in white nationalism and run contrary to respect for Black lives,” according to the letter’s nearly 1,300 signatories. “Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.”

“Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19,” the letter signers add. “However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission.”

 

[Birdstrike]

So they tell us lockdown saves lives but mass gathering protests are totally ok and encouraged as long as it aligns their political beliefs?

Nothing more infuriating than hundreds of healthcare “professionals” signing an open letter of this:

They’re saying when they gather in public it doesn’t spread COVID and result in death, only when other people do, does it spread COVID and kill people.

 

[Birdstrike]

So they tell us lockdown saves lives but mass gathering protests are totally ok and encouraged as long as it aligns their political beliefs?

Nothing more infuriating than hundreds of healthcare “professionals” signing an open letter of this:

According to the CDC:

•Large public gatherings, regardless of the reason for the gathering, spread COVID-19 and kill people, and

•The one racial and ethnic group overwhelmingly most likely to die of COVID-19 is African American males.

 

[deleted480308]

So they tell us lockdown saves lives but mass gathering protests are totally ok and encouraged as long as it aligns their political beliefs?

Nothing more infuriating than hundreds of healthcare “professionals” signing an open letter of this:

It’s patently absurd to claim that as long as you do it for equality, covid won’t be an issue

 

[WilcoWorld]

They’re saying when they gather in public it doesn’t spread COVID and result in death, only when other people do, does it spread COVID and kill people.

It’s patently absurd to claim that as long as you do it for equality, covid won’t be an issue

The document does not make those claims. In fact, it encourages distancing, face coverings, and non-participation by symptomatic people. It also says that HCWs should plan for increases in cases following demonstrations.

 

[Birdstrike]

The document does not make those claims. In fact, it encourages distancing, face coverings, and non-participation by symptomatic people. It also says that HCWs should plan for increases in cases following demonstrations.

You quoted my post on the CDC's stance. The CDC says large gatherings like this, regardless of the emotions and intentions inside the heads of the people gathering, will kill people by spreading COVID-19, and will disproportionately kill African American males. Of course the document supporting the gathering doesn't make those claims. That's the whole point. Those that wrote and signed the document are ignoring those facts. Every single one of them that signed that document knows damn well, those two facts.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

You quoted my post on the CDC's stance. The CDC says large gatherings like this, regardless of the emotions and intentions inside the heads of the people gathering, will kill people by spreading COVID-19, and will disproportionately kill African American males. Of course the document supporting the gathering doesn't make those claims. That's the whole point. Those that wrote and signed the document are ignoring those facts. Every single one of them that signed that document knows damn well, those two facts.

Given the number of nurses and medical students that signed it, I'm not sure that's true

 

[WilcoWorld]

You quoted my post on the CDC's stance. The CDC says large gatherings like this, regardless of the emotions and intentions inside the heads of the people gathering, will kill people by spreading COVID-19, and will disproportionately kill African American males. Of course the document supporting the gathering doesn't make those claims. That's the whole point. Those that wrote and signed the document are ignoring those facts. Every single one of them that signed that document knows damn well, those two facts.

Today there is an opportunity for you to model CDC-compliant practices while opposing the unacceptably high rates of minority deaths at the hands of police officers:
https://whitecoats4blacklives.org/

Like anything, there will be some people who do this poorly.

 

[Birdstrike]

Today there is an opportunity for you to model CDC-compliant practices while opposing the unacceptably high rates of minority deaths at the hands of police officers:
https://whitecoats4blacklives.org/

Like anything, there will be some people who do this poorly.

Yes, good. Thank you. I also oppose unacceptably high rates of minority deaths at the hands of police officers. We agree 100% on that and I'm open to any idea which will reduce it. Certainly anyone taking this opportunity to show support at their workplace, for example, needs the CDC compliance statement of which you speak that states that mass gatherings for this purpose won't violate existing stay-at-home orders, or spread COVID-19 and kill people, particularly those most vulnerable. Please provide that.

 

[Birdstrike]

Economy Improving Greatly, Coronavirus Decreasing, As Lock-Downs End

The nationwide lock-down increased unemployment from 3% to 15% and was expected to soar to 20% in May, with 8 million more jobs lost. Instead, the ending of state lock-downs has already unexpectedly allowed the U.S. to regain 2.5 million jobs. Instead of unemployment soaring to 20%, it actually dropped from 15% to 13% in May.

This is all occurring as new Coronavirus cases, active infections and deaths all continue to go down nationwide.

 

[Birdstrike]

The anti-HCQ warriors left out the best part of this story, @Lawper . Not only was their "Hydroxychloroquine will kill you!" paper they were quoting officially retracted by Lancet, it was written by a group that includes a porn star and science fiction writer.
Not joking, here.

Not only was this study used by people who like to use the term "science denier" to dunk on people they disagree with, it was used as justification by the WHO to halt all trials using HCQ, which they have announced they're now restarting.

They literally halted studies worldwide on a drug many of the worlds top doctors and researchers thought needed to be looked at for a disease killing hundreds of thousands, with a fake study by a group with a porn star, science fiction writer, because they're so deranged with hate for one person who endorsed it. It's truly deranged.

 

[Apollyon]

officially retracted by Lancet, it was written by a group that includes a porn star and science fiction writer.

Although I get your point, "porn star" appears to greatly overstate things. Maybe she was a stripper, but, there doesn't seem to be anything "adult" easily found on the web.

 

[Birdstrike]

Although I get your point, "porn star" appears to greatly overstate things. Maybe she was a stripper, but, there doesn't seem to be anything "adult" easily found on the web.

Yeah, I don't know were they got that information, but it’s in several news sources. Could it be fake news? I guess it's possible. But, if someone with that past decided to get out of the business and work in something mainstream like medical research, I'm sure they wouldn't put it out of the front porch. More likely they'd do their best to scrub it from the internet as much as possible, or at a minimum keep it off the medical company website.

If you’d like, I’ll edit my post to read “unsuccessful adult content worker.” I’m not sure that’ll get his/her/ze/she/them/their Lancet article un-retracted, though.

 

[Lawpy]

The anti-HCQ warriors left out the best part of this story, @Lawper . Not only was their "Hydroxychloroquine will kill you!" paper they were quoting officially retracted by Lancet, it was written by a group that includes a porn star and science fiction writer.
Not joking, here.

Not only was this study used by people who like to use the term "science denier" to dunk on people they disagree with, it was used as justification by the WHO to halt all trials using HCQ, which they have announced they're now restarting.

They literally halted studies worldwide on a drug many of the worlds top doctors and researchers thought needed to be looked at for a disease killing hundreds of thousands, with a fake study by a group with a porn star, science fiction writer, because they're so deranged with hate for one person who endorsed it. It's truly deranged.

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What i'm confused is the other authors claimed they couldn't access the data from Desai's company nor could the data be audited. Idk how that happened but ok.

 

[Birdstrike]

What i'm confused is the other authors claimed they couldn't access the data from Desai's company nor could the data be audited. Idk how that happened but ok.

Maybe they just fabricate it? I don’t know.

 

[GeneralVeers]

Today there is an opportunity for you to model CDC-compliant practices while opposing the unacceptably high rates of minority deaths at the hands of police officers:
https://whitecoats4blacklives.org/

Like anything, there will be some people who do this poorly.

You are missing our point I think. When people were (peacefully) protesting the lock-downs, all these same doctors, and the media were claiming that they were going to kill people by spreading COVID in mass gatherings. Most doctors were pro-lockdown. When the protests are for a cause they agree with, then suddenly they are less concerned about COVID transmission.

For the record, I support all peaceful protests regardless of the incoherence or lack of an actionable message.

 

[Lawpy]

Maybe they just fabricate it? I don’t know.

Idk that'd be sad since some of them were doing research for years so fast way to tank their reputation. also i'm biased but i'll be happy if there's more RCTs that show beneficial effects of ACEIs/ARBs and/or statins. The two retracted papers focused a bit on that and it's bothering me.

There is also a hypothesis i saw in a video that goes like:

Sars-CoV-2 --> ACE2 deactivated --> High Ang 2/Low Ang 1,7 --> High ROS --> Endothelial damage --> High vWF --> Thrombosis

So far that was looking promising based on:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2015432

 

[Birdstrike]

You are missing our point I think. When people were (peacefully) protesting the lock-downs, all these same doctors, and the media were claiming that they were going to kill people by spreading COVID in mass gatherings. Most doctors were pro-lockdown. When the protests are for a cause they agree with, then suddenly they are less concerned about COVID transmission.
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Their motives for promoting lockdowns without end, were disingenuous. People like you, me, others called them out here and elsewhere, weeks ago. Now they’ve been exposed. There’s nothing more to it than that.

They’ll be emotionally devastated when they see the record jobs numbers today, indicating the economy is already bouncing back in record time, far sooner than their November 4th goal.

 

[ZX10R]

Idk that'd be sad since some of them were doing research for years so fast way to tank their reputation. also i'm biased but i'll be happy if there's more RCTs that show beneficial effects of ACEIs/ARBs and/or statins. The two retracted papers focused a bit on that and it's bothering me.

There is also a hypothesis i saw in a video that goes like:

Sars-CoV-2 --> ACE2 deactivated --> High Ang 2/Low Ang 1,7 --> High ROS --> Endothelial damage --> High vWF --> Thrombosis

So far that was looking promising based on:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2015432

ACE2 also affects the MAV pathway in cells. Like every receptor they are promiscuous.

 

[GeneralVeers]

Their motives for promoting lockdowns without end, were disingenuous. People like you, me, others called them out here and elsewhere, weeks ago. Now they’ve been exposed. There’s nothing more to it than that.

They’ll be emotionally devastated when they see the record jobs numbers today, indicating the economy is already bouncing back in record time.

Isn't it interesting how most were calling us right-wing cranks for questioning the lockdown motives? I think you and I shall continue to be proven more and more right about everything with this pandemic as time goes on.

 

[Birdstrike]

Isn't it interesting how most were calling us right-wing cranks for questioning the lockdown motives? I think you and I shall continue to be proven more and more right about everything with this pandemic as time goes on.

There are some that view the economy rebounding and both COVID and the riots losing steam this early, as disastrous for their goals.

 

[Birdstrike]

Idk that'd be sad since some of them were doing research for years so fast way to tank their reputation. also i'm biased but i'll be happy if there's more RCTs that show beneficial effects of ACEIs/ARBs and/or statins. The two retracted papers focused a bit on that and it's bothering me.

There is also a hypothesis i saw in a video that goes like:

Sars-CoV-2 --> ACE2 deactivated --> High Ang 2/Low Ang 1,7 --> High ROS --> Endothelial damage --> High vWF --> Thrombosis

So far that was looking promising based on:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2015432

The ACE2 issue is why they think patients with hypertension are a such high risk, right?
Something about being in an ACE inhibitor upregulates your ACE2 receptors which then are bound by COVID virons, or something like that?

Would that mean it would help to be on an ACE inhibitor because it would get in the way of COVID trying to bind ACE2?

I need to learn more about this. Explain the ACE2/HTN/ACE inhibitor link to us a little more.

 

[Apollyon]

Yeah, I don't know were they got that information, but it’s in several news sources. Could it be fake news? I guess it's possible. But, if someone with that past decided to get out of the business and work in something mainstream like medical research, I'm sure they wouldn't put it out of the front porch. More likely they'd do their best to scrub it from the internet as much as possible, or at a minimum keep it off the medical company website.

If you’d like, I’ll edit my post to read “unsuccessful adult content worker.” I’m not sure that’ll get his/her/ze/she/them/their Lancet article un-retracted, though.

That's a lot more detail then I intended. All I'm saying is that she was some sort of commercial sex worker. Maybe just "figure modeling" (that's a nude model), or could have been a stripper, or something. It's just that she doesn't have enough notoriety for name recognition. I did see her on a model resume site (models and photographers both are on there to find each other), and the last time she was on was 1 June.

 

[Lawpy]

The ACE2 issue is why they think patients with hypertension are a such high risk, right?
Something about being in an ACE inhibitor upregulates your ACE2 receptors which then are bound by COVID virons, or something like that?

Would that mean it would help to be on an ACE inhibitor because it would get in the way of COVID trying to bind ACE2?

I need to learn more about this. Explain the ACE2/HTN/ACE inhibitor link to us a little more.

That was the initial idea but recent studies and specialty recommendations said there was little to no risk of using them. It's based on:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr2005760

ACE2 is important in converting Ang 2 to Ang 1,7. Ang 1,7 has a lot of anti inflammatory and protective functions. SARS CoV 2 deactivates ACE2 leading to low Ang 1,7 and high Ang 2 which creates really bad conditions.

Here's a video linking Ang 2 and Ang 1,7 to oxidative stress.



ACE inhibitors and ARBs are thought to be helpful in reducing Ang 2 levels, which covid is increasing because of ACE2 deactivation. If Ang 2 levels can be reduced, the oxidative stress and hypercoagulability conditions can be minimized.

 

[Birdstrike]

That's a lot more detail then I intended. All I'm saying is that she was some sort of commercial sex worker. Maybe just "figure modeling" (that's a nude model), or could have been a stripper, or something. It's just that she doesn't have enough notoriety for name recognition. I did see her on a model resume site (models and photographers both are on there to find each other), and the last time she was on was 1 June.

Did you see anything that could either cure COVID or make one forget they had COVID?

 

[Apollyon]

Did you see anything that could either cure COVID or make one forget they had COVID?

Not even! Bummer!

 

[Birdstrike]

Isn't it interesting how most were calling us right-wing cranks for questioning the lockdown motives? I think you and I shall continue to be proven more and more right about everything with this pandemic as time goes on.

Hundreds of thousands of families have literally been denied the ability to have funerals over the last 3 months, due to this lockdown hysteria from these people, because to violate them would equal certain “Carnage and death to thousands!”

Now Team Panic cast it all aside like it’s nothing, essentially admitting the lockdowns which bankrupted thousands of the poor and middle class, was for self-serving phony reasons.

Either they were lying all along about the need for lockdowns, or they’re weren’t lying but are okay with killing thousands of people by gathering in mass, to make a point.

 

[GeneralVeers]

Sometimes it feels more and more like we’re living under anarcho-tyranny. The same police in my locale who have stood idly by during the commission of crimes during these “protests”, forcibly shut down a gym owner within 3 hours of him opening yesterday. He had said he was on the edge of bankruptcy (applied for funds in March and never got any), and it was either open or perish. He’ll go out of business now. Maybe he should have asked the gym members to riot in the parking lot and then the police would have left him alone.

It's from the top down. Bureaucrats and politicians are ordering police to selectively enforce laws. Laws the bureaucrats want, like banning churches, funerals and gyms, they want the police to intervene. When it comes to protests to "tear down the system" they are cool with police standing idly by.

Additionally police are too terrified to enforce laws in minority areas, which incidentally have the highest crime rates. They don't want to be called racist, or get in worse trouble.

I think the whole "white guilt" phenomenon is incredibly racist. I bear no responsibility for stuff that happened in another country before I was even born. To assume that just because of the color of my skin I have to atone, or "reflect" on the struggles of black or brown people is racist beyond belief.

 

[Birdstrike]

Sometimes it feels more and more like we’re living under anarcho-tyranny. The same police in my locale who have stood idly by during the commission of crimes during these “protests”, forcibly shut down a gym owner within 3 hours of him opening yesterday. He had said he was on the edge of bankruptcy (applied for funds in March and never got any), and it was either open or perish. He’ll go out of business now. Maybe he should have asked the gym members to riot in the parking lot and then the police would have left him alone.

Let me guess, you live in a place governed by Democrats, where you get arrested for giving someone a haircut during “COVID ockdown” but purposefully allowed to burn down a church and loot Rolex stores at the same time, without consequence?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Let me guess, you live in a place governed by Democrats, where you get arrested for giving someone a haircut during “COVID ockdown” but purposefully allowed to burn down a church and loot Rolex stores at the same time, without consequence?

The longer I live in our state, the more I realize it's not actually that badly run...

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

You are missing our point I think. When people were (peacefully) protesting the lock-downs, all these same doctors, and the media were claiming that they were going to kill people by spreading COVID in mass gatherings. Most doctors were pro-lockdown. When the protests are for a cause they agree with, then suddenly they are less concerned about COVID transmission.

For the record, I support all peaceful protests regardless of the incoherence or lack of an actionable message.

Man I remember on Reddit people would get slaughtered for saying anything to support lockdown protesters.

 

[GeneralVeers]

Man I remember on Reddit people would get slaughtered for saying anything to support lockdown protesters.

And they probably have the same response now to anyone condemning rioting, looting or other misbehavior.

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

Isn't it interesting how most were calling us right-wing cranks for questioning the lockdown motives? I think you and I shall continue to be proven more and more right about everything with this pandemic as time goes on.

You couldn't say anything against lockdown then because you were a horrible person. Many of the docs I worked with forgot virology and thought Covid was a mythical entity sent from the heavens to destroy us. All the laws of medicine were forgotten as this was a virus made of DNA from the future that was resistant to degradation from the environment and reproduced without hosts in the air. You couldn't say anything that didn't incite fear and panic at that time. Now; no one even cares.

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

And they probably have the same response now to anyone condemning rioting, looting or other misbehavior.

You hit the nail on the head. I was a huge Reddit lover back in the day but I am noticing the social platforms downvote and hide anything that doesn't support popular movements. If you have a view that is different you are in bed with Trump and want to watch migrants from Africa burn as you hunt endangered Rhinos.

I hate the politicization of all of this. So annoying.

 

[Birdstrike]

The longer I live in our state, the more I realize it's not actually that badly run...

Based on other places I’ve lived, along with some of the alternatives, I’d say you’re 100% right.

 

[Birdstrike]

You couldn't say anything against lockdown then because you were a horrible person. Many of the docs I worked with forgot virology and thought Covid was a mythical entity sent from the heavens to destroy us. All the laws of medicine were forgotten as this was a virus made of DNA from the future that was resistant to degradation from the environment and reproduced without hosts in the air. You couldn't say anything that didn't incite fear and panic at that time. Now; no one even cares.

I know. It mystifies the hell out of me.

 

[doctalaughs]

What action steps have you all taken in regards to racism and police brutality both at home and at work?
Have your work places/leaders made any statements? Any plans for improvements?
Are you all talking to residents and students? Improvements in curriculum and education?
What supports are in place for Black students and residents?

serious question — can you be strongly against affirmative action and not be racist/biased in your opinion?

I’ve tried to understand the proponents for AA hard but I just don’t get it. I agree that certain minorities as a group are unjustly targeted and disproportionately poor/uneducated etc. I just can’t figure out how that the solution is individual handouts (for jobs, school, scores) also based on color. I’ve been told that makes me a “non-overt racist”????

 

[wamcp]

When stay at home orders are updated like this...lockdowns just need to end. Full stop.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZyz1KhU0AIAhPZ?format=jpg&name=medium

 

[Birdstrike]

When stay at home orders are updated like this...lockdowns just need to end. Full stop.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZyz1KhU0AIAhPZ?format=jpg&name=medium

Haha...lol...haha....So...it's okay to have a "protest," which is a social gathering, containing 100 people, but a social gathering of more than 15 people not sanctioned by woke Democrats will start a COVID outbreak and kill thousands. I see....Lol.

Because I remember "protests" just a week or two ago, that were not considered okay. The protests protesting the lockdowns were not okay. Protests by hair stylists that were jailed for cutting hair were not okay. Protests by the unemployed were not okay. It's only certain protests that don't spread the virus.

Yet here we are, where certain social gatherings of 100 named 'protests" don't spread the virus, because they're sufficiently woke. But social gatherings of only 10-20 people, because they're of the wrong sociopolitical type, or not "protests" in name only, do spread the virus.

Bwahaha

So sciency!

 

[deleted480308]

When stay at home orders are updated like this...lockdowns just need to end. Full stop.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZyz1KhU0AIAhPZ?format=jpg&name=medium

That’s some open bs

 

[AMEHigh]

serious question — can you be strongly against affirmative action and not be racist/biased in your opinion?

I’ve tried to understand the proponents for AA hard but I just don’t get it. I agree that certain minorities as a group are unjustly targeted and disproportionately poor/uneducated etc. I just can’t figure out how that the solution is individual handouts (for jobs, school, scores) also based on color. I’ve been told that makes me a “non-overt racist”????

I sent you a direct message as to not derail the thread topic as was mentioned above.

 

[Birdstrike]

Could the week of riots he sanctioned have had anything to do with it? Nah...

‪”De Blasio can't explain why NYC saw spike in coronavirus hospitalizations” De Blasio can’t explain why NYC saw spike in coronavirus hospitalizations via @nypmetro‬

 

[Birdstrike]

I can’t tell you how happy I am to know the fight against this virus is finally over. Who knew that all along that we just had to gather en mass and hold a protest sign for the virus to be immediately neutralized. Does it work to hold a sign that says,

#DoctorsPayTooMuchTax ?

 

[Renaissance Man]

Isn't it interesting how most were calling us right-wing cranks for questioning the lockdown motives? I think you and I shall continue to be proven more and more right about everything with this pandemic as time goes on.

Thank god for you two! By posting 10X more than anyone else and posting into this echo chamber straw man arguments and borderline conspiracy theories...you definitely proved each other right. I am old enough to remember Birdstrike predicting a 1 week news cycle about the pandemic in the US when this all started, nailed it! I am sure that George Floyd is also smiling down at you two from heaven right now. You are the righteous heroes of SDN that we all need.

~110,000 have died so far of COVID-19, and in the Carolinas cases are still peaking daily. I see it at least 2-3 times a shift. There is no conspiracy by "them" and the "media" (Which now is somehow a single entity? Who is this person? Or is it a collection of NWO leftists who just want to make sure that you fail?) to keep the country closed until November. It is a much bigger and complex issue than a simple completely open economy or complete lock-down.

Just amazing that you both see mass protests and use it as way to spike the football in your own victory. Enjoy it.

 

[Birdstrike]

~110,000 have died so far of COVID-19, and in the Carolinas cases are still peaking daily.

You discovered that more testing finds more disease. Congrats.

I see it at least 2-3 times a shift.

I see a lot of things two to three times per shift. Maybe that means you be in quarantine for 3 more months.

 

[Birdstrike]

This was the week we finally all agree on COVID:

Group 1: Decided weeks ago to move on with life despite COVID, with behavioral change.

Group 2: Decided move on with life despite COVID, but with precautions like wearing masks and hand washing.

Group 3: Decided just this past week to move on with life despite COVID, but to rename moving on with life, "'Peaceful' protesting."

It makes no sense to go on bickering about Corona and acting like we vehemently disagree, when it's become clear we agree on 100% of what's important and only disagree on style.