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I finished my last interview and I want to dropout
curious- Do the ones who complain about MS and truly hate it go into MS for the wrong reasons?
Or are they just not used to time management and didn't work before?
no, these two are the first ones I was told.Are those the only two possibilities you could come up with?
A lot of complaints in this thread here seem to be about work politics and/or applicable to almost any high functioning career there is. I hope everyone finds the strength to do what's best for them.
Did you actually enjoy those previous careers though? If you could see yourself doing that for 40-50 years, why quit? Somehow you had to think that medicine was a better deal overall. Doesn't make sense otherwise.
The more I progress in med school, the more I've learned that the goal of the system is to churn out mindless drones who do nothing but medicine, and suck up hard to The Man (administrators, nurses, etc). Independent thought is quashed.
Depends on what you mean by balanced, I guess. I study a lot, but I manage to eat healthy, go the gym every day, and sleep 9-10 hours a night. I go out with friends ~once a week, but that's plenty for me.
Same here. Med school is so much easier when your body is taken care of first and foremost.
Never seen anything like this except for one attending. Most of my attendings are downtrodden, overworked, and actively avoid talking to students. They just seem uncomfortable all the time.I'd say that's pretty accurate for first 2 years, but I've found the complete opposite to be true with my rotations. Every rotation I've been on I've had in depth discussions with my attendings about what the different opportunities in their field are as well as how they deal with the administrative BS. None of them seemed like cogs or like they were sucking up to "The Man". I even had the pleasure of seeing one of them tell off and administrator in front of Joint Commission when they came, which was an interesting experience in itself. I'll admit, I haven't rotated through a large academic center yet, so I can't say anything about what the culture there would be like. From personal experience though, none of the attendings and physicians I have worked with are close to mindless drones.
Never seen anything like this except for one attending. Most of my attendings are downtrodden, overworked, and actively avoid talking to students. They just seem uncomfortable all the time.
Yup, I made it a mission to go to the gym 3 to 4 times and week and run about 2-3 miles min for each session along with 30-60 mins of weight lifting, core strengthening, and yoga. Oh, yeah. Get a massage every 2-3 weeks to relieve those neck tensions too. It has made a huge difference in life. I'm starting to regain my mofo. Things are starting to come easy again.
I feel well-balanced. I'm struggling right now because we are a heavy block, but I go to the gym every day, have a 1hr lunch with friends each day, and study for 8-9hrs. I go out about 3 times/wk. Sex life is fine, but dating is meh because of the time commitment.
Most of my non-med school friends work 8hrs. Go home and sit around/watch tv. Then gao out once, maybe twice, per week. I'm pretty on par with them
Never crossed my mind. I'm currently MS-3. I worked in another career before going into medicine. I busted my ass the past three years and have enjoyed most of it. Sure, there are some days where I wish could have a little more sleep or spend less time worrying about the future, but I think part of the worrying comes from the excitement of what the future holds. I genuinely enjoy medicine and I'm glad I found this career. I would still feel the same way (mostly) if compensation was cut by 50% tomorrow. As for the "sucking up", it happens no matter what field you're in, because even if you own a business, your customers are still your bosses.
Many of the med students who feel like the RNs, PAs & other hospital staff are out trying to get them are probably projecting. Just be a normal, decent human being and show that you're there to help the entire team succeed. If you're in the OR, help the staff prepare for surgery instead of standing around and being awkward. Once the nurses/techs love you, even if you screw up here and there, they will help you learn from those mistakes instead of just calling you out. Be proactive when you're learning and show some interest. Hold your head up when you're walking and say hi to nurses/techs in the halls. Introduce yourself to everyone, including attendings, that you will be working with. Voluntarily read up on patient management algorithms after rounds and informally present to resident(s) on the articles you've read. They will appreciate the gesture if you don't come off as a pompous jerk, because you just helped them look good in front of the attending. These gestures are not used to "suck up" but instead used to display elements of professionalism and team-oriented attitude. The old adage of treating others like how you'd be treated goes a long way into making each rotation, even the ones you have no interest in, pleasant.
curious- Do the ones who complain about MS and truly hate it go into MS for the wrong reasons?
Or are they just not used to time management and didn't work before?
Get a massage every 2-3 weeks to relieve those neck tensions too.
How do you afford that??
How do you afford that??
Uncle Sam will pay for it if you promise to pay him back.
Nah, the taxpayers will pay for me with all the debt forgiveness programs out there. I'm just only taking my fair cut bc I will be contributing a good portion of my future paycheck to that payment pie.
It's time to max out all debts. Any action resembling financial prudence is a deal for suckers.
Actually if you do income based repayment, the amount forgiven is taxable unless you are insolvent. Any debt forgiven past solvency is not taxable. So maxing out all your debt and minimizing assets right before your debt is forgiven is not a bad idea!
Love this. Ive been a nurse for 6 years working full-time while finishing bachelor's/taking pre-reqs/raising kids. Absolutely cannot wait now to be able to focus on school (and my family).
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The more I progress in med school, the more I've learned that the goal of the system is to churn out mindless drones who do nothing but medicine, and suck up hard to The Man (administrators, nurses, etc). Independent thought is quashed.
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Except for the fact that that would require you to have no assets just over a decade before retirement. They can go after your house, 401k, and other assets- it isn't like regular bankruptcy insolvency when you owe money to the IRS.Actually if you do income based repayment, the amount forgiven is taxable unless you are insolvent. Any debt forgiven past solvency is not taxable. So maxing out all your debt and minimizing assets right before your debt is forgiven is not a bad idea!
I never had to give up my family, friends, or relationship in medical school. Sure, it dinged my board scores a bit, but I did alright overall and would hardly say anyone has developed any resentment toward me because of school. You have to prioritize your life- I put those I care about at the top of my list and medical school second. I'd rather be a happy psychiatrist with a good relationship with my loved ones than a miserable dermatologist that has destroyed their personal life in the quest for their career.I don't mean to sound too pessimistic, but your focus is going to be in the order you presented them. Your focus will be entirely on school, even when you're with your family. The kids will want to play and you will constantly have to tell them no because you have to study. Your spouse will want to go on dates and you'll have to say no because you have to study.
They will develop a resentment towards you to one degree or another. The kids may not if they are young enough, but your spouse will; even if they claim to support you fully. You'll resent them for resenting you. "Why can't they see you're doing what's best for everyone?" You'll feel guilty every day for not spending enough time with them. Furthermore, your stress at work and your stress in school are going to be totally different. A rough day on the job ends after the shift. There is not a giant anvil hanging over your head every single day. In medical school, you have pressure every day of your life to succeed during the next test. If you fail, your dreams are shattered. You've gone into 20k/40k/120k/250k in debt and you simply cannot quit or fail. Getting into medical school gave you just enough rope to hang yourself with. It's already around your neck and you're already walking the plank.
I went into this thing with the rose colored glasses too. I enjoy school and I'm very excited by my future, but the life is different and so is the stress.
Uncle Sam will pay for it if you promise to pay him back.
I never had to give up my family, friends, or relationship in medical school. Sure, it dinged my board scores a bit, but I did alright overall and would hardly say anyone has developed any resentment toward me because of school. You have to prioritize your life- I put those I care about at the top of my list and medical school second. I'd rather be a happy psychiatrist with a good relationship with my loved ones than a miserable dermatologist that has destroyed their personal life in the quest for their career.
I was always pretty set on psych, IM, FM, or anesthesia. I've got the scores for any of them (my scores aren't bad, they're just very average- I could've gotten well above the average if I put in more work), but narrowed it down to psych vs IM in third year. Never had any interest in any of the other fields in medicine. I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice your family on the altar of your career I guess that's your choice, but sometimes people need to accept that they can't have it all and priorities must be established. Family is forever and a job is a job is how I see it I guess.Perhaps I shouldn't have described the situation as a certainty. There are exceptions to every rule and I'm glad it worked out for you.
Did you enter medical school with the expectations of only "doing okay," having "dinged board scores" and becoming a psychiatrist? If so, that may have a lot to do with your current outlook. Having appropriate expectations is going to be key for married medical students and I just wanted to make sure FCMike doesn't go in with too rosy of an outlook. It was probably a little venting on my part as well.
I was always pretty set on psych, IM, FM, or anesthesia. I've got the scores for any of them (my scores aren't bad, they're just very average- I could've gotten well above the average if I put in more work), but narrowed it down to psych vs IM in third year. Never had any interest in any of the other fields in medicine. I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice your family on the altar of your career I guess that's your choice, but sometimes people need to accept that they can't have it all and priorities must be established. Family is forever and a job is a job is how I see it I guess.
I like to go out or spend time with friends a couple times a week, because I view a social life as an important part of being emotionally healthy. Unfortunately, I suffer from some degree of social anxiety so alcohol helps me chill out and be more sociable. I've got the classic introvert problem of "I love people but whenever I am around them I feel anxious as all hell" where I need social interaction but it's also distressing at the same time. Alcohol helps me enjoy social situations without feeling that need to just gtfo and be on my own. But going out and drinking with people a couple nights a week has it's price, both in time (it's a good 12-16 hours you can't get back) and energy (you cut your sleep short, and hangovers aren't exactly conducive to a productive study weekend).Why the drinking in med school? You seem to have a good head on your shoulder.
I was always pretty set on psych, IM, FM, or anesthesia. I've got the scores for any of them (my scores aren't bad, they're just very average- I could've gotten well above the average if I put in more work), but narrowed it down to psych vs IM in third year. Never had any interest in any of the other fields in medicine. I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice your family on the altar of your career I guess that's your choice, but sometimes people need to accept that they can't have it all and priorities must be established. Family is forever and a job is a job is how I see it I guess.
1st test = oh damn, I studied the hardest that I have ever studied in my entire life. I think I had failed that exam. 82% on the examI'm actually leaning towards psych and FM as well, maybe even one of the combined programs. I'm still fairly hard on myself and worry a great deal about each test.
Sound like a blowhard who is trying too hard to impress people. It is usually the people that my name is so... so... and I am just normal in every aspects of life who are usually just amazing people behind closed doors. These people tend to commit a lot of details from their lives unless you get to know them better and hear their stories."I'm so-and-so. Studied undergrad at MIT. One interesting thing about me? Well, on my 37th trip to Haiti I saved 12 children from an earthquake, but that's not as interesting as my research curing cancer."
Of course I'm exaggerating and I certainly understand rationally and consciously that everyone's path is different and not to compare myself to others, but it still requires a pause and reflection sometimes to reconvene myself. I think that this probably occurs with most non-trads to some degree or another. Unless, they are incredibly gifted to the point where they hardly need to study AND they have average expectations AND will be okay with being average.
The nihilistic approach of " Nothing really matters anyway. " was never stronger than since I entered the Medical field. It's the only anchor that keeps me on my path often times, because there are way too many issues to be bothered by otherwise.
Some people don't have many interests besides Medicine - they say they do, but they don't.
It's good for them, because they are the ones who can truly focus on Medicine day and night, whether it's morning or evening, Monday or weekend - they simply don't mind.
But for all the persons out there like me, who have a lot of interests besides Medicine ( not because we would like to choose a different career, but simply because we are passionate about many other things, and the time is not enough in a lifetime to pursue all of them, I don't care what you think ) , it is essential for us to adopt a mindset that makes us let go and be more Zen about life, so having a bit of a nihilistic approach toward things doesn't hurt, because it allows you to not take yourself so seriously, not take your thoughts so seriously, completely eliminate every distraction that comes in your way and simply focus on learning that Histology, because those hours you could spend doing something else don't matter at all, time and space are illusions, so even thought you think you'd be happier surfing in Hawaii, that simply doesn't matter, you're just as well studying Histology here, because nothing's such a big drama in life anyway.
If you think the above text is strange, just lighten up - Get your head in the game : life is strange.
You'll discover great ways to handle difficulties if you dare to be strange, to think outside of the box.
You know when kids are saying all those weird things and everyone finds them adorable and clever ?
It's kinda ironic that people criticize you for the same thing when you're an adult.
This is why you don't have to seek for approval - just cultivate the thoughts that work best for you.
As long as it's effective, it doesn't matter if it's insane.
1st test = oh damn, I studied the hardest that I have ever studied in my entire life. I think I had failed that exam. 82% on the exam
2nd test = that was a much hardest test ever. 85% on the exam
3rd test = that wasn't a bad test. There were a bunch of things that I have guessed on the exam. I think I have at least a 80% on the exam. 97% on the exam
... Trust the method. You got this.
Do you have one exam at the end of each "block" or smaller exams spread out throughout the semester?
You're right. I've done well despite the difficulties, but it's tougher than I imagined it would be and I'd caution anyone entering this beast with rose colored glasses on.
I have about a 100-110 quest exam every two weeks. Sometimes, before a big break, I have another 3-4 exams on top of that.
Test schedule makes a big difference, in my opinion. We have block exams. They're 200 to 300 questions long every 5-6 weeks. Coming in I thought I might like it better than weekly or biweekly tests, but I'm not sure that's the case. By test time it's been 5 weeks or more since covering some topics, which makes it hard to retain that info.