How to add Hospitals to LECOM's affiliate list

[Green912]

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I live near AGMC, one of LECOM's affiliate hospitals, but I hear they only take MS-IV's. The next closest hospital is about 30 minutes away (not too bad). However there are two DO hospitals close by which are affiliated with Ohio-UCOM. Would it be impossible for LECOM to get these hospitals added to their list? How should I go about suggesting these hospitals?

 

[Dr_sax]

I too would like to jump in on Green's question. My cousin is on the board of governors of the Missouri chapter of the ACOFP and he told me he'd do anything in his power to help me set up affiliation in IL or MO. This may be something the people who are from farther west than OH would be interested in.

Dr_Sax

 

[njdo]

We were told by the Clinical Director at LECOM that they welcome the ability to affiliate with more hospitals, however, it is usually the hospitals that have the problem. He said the hospitals must sign an agreement (contract) with LECOM to provide rotations and education to all their students (not just a few) and that they must provide housing, meals on duty, etc.. My first suggestion is to call the medical director of the hospital and talk to him/her first. If they seem slightly interested, contact the clinical office and have them get in touch with the director of medical education. They should be able to take it from there. Or just contact LECOM's clinical education office first...it's up to you. Good luck.

njdo

 

[hippocrates2006]

Originally posted by njdo
We were told by the Clinical Director at LECOM that they welcome the ability to affiliate with more hospitals, however, it is usually the hospitals that have the problem. He said the hospitals must sign an agreement (contract) with LECOM to provide rotations and education to all their students (not just a few) and that they must provide housing, meals on duty, etc.. My first suggestion is to call the medical director of the hospital and talk to him/her first. If they seem slightly interested, contact the clinical office and have them get in touch with the director of medical education. They should be able to take it from there. Or just contact LECOM's clinical education office first...it's up to you. Good luck.

njdo

I have talked with our clinical director about similar topics and it appears they are very unwilling and lazy when it comes to finding new clinical sites that are not in their OPTI network. I get the its not my problem attitude. I would suggest that every student in the school raise hell with them about it and maybe it will change. They ask for everything and a promise from the hospital to keep taking lecom students because they know it is a tough order to fill. I think that even if you found a willing hospital they would sit on it until it was too late and nothing would happen. I heard a rumor that there was a student who had a good relationship with an internist at a major medical center and she set up everything with them and the clinical director wouldnt even call to talk to the physician because it was their duty to chase him. Sounds like a lazy attitude to me. I wouldnt bank on anything regarding clinicals at this school. As a matter of fact, they basically throw a group of some odd 20 students together and make them fight over who gets to go where. Sounds like a bunch if C r a p to me. Having to fight with other students for clinical spots. They should have lottery or go based upon academic performance like most NORMAL medical schools. Expect a hassle.

 

[Dr_sax]

Why do you go to LECOM?

 

[DaNugget79]

Alright,
I'm not big on defending LECOM or it's administration, but here I have to. LECOM is good in that we have crap loads of hospitals all over to go to, meaning you get to leave Erie and never, ever have come back after the first two years until graduation unless you want to or have a family and need/want to stay. You are not just "thrown in" and fight for rotation spots. Students fill out a sheet for their top choices as to area and location. A committe consisting of the class President and students elected from each pathway places students into their choices as best they can. About 85-90% of the students get their top choice of group and location, 100% get one of their top 3 choices for both. Groups have a certain rotation schedule. Some groups start with Surgery, others end with it, and so on for the OB/Gyn, Pedes, elective, etc. Areas for my class included: Erie (includes Buffalo), Central Pa, Eastern Pa, Pittsburgh (includes Wheeling, WVa), Ohio/Michigan, FL, NY, and probably a few other places. We have a huge network. Schedule is designated by LECOM, what area a hospital is in is designated by the student committee with input from students. You are restricted to your rotation schedule unless you ask for permission to change this for that, but you are not restricted to a certain area. You can go to an area outside your "home" area after the students in the area you want to go to have chosen. Hope all that makes sense.

This way, the number of people you are "fighting" with is limited. Most of the time, everything worked out. Most people are able to compromise. "If you guys let me do Surgery here, I'll take what's left for OB..." A great majority of the time, things worked out great, at least for my class. I compromised to do a couple of rotations in West Va so that I could do 3 months of Medicine in West Palm Beach during Spring Break season. Needless to say, I'm happy. Yes, some people were unhappy with this or that, but in the end, it worked out.

In talking to students from other schools at the hospital I'm at now, they wish they had our system instead of the lottery system. At least with our system you have a say instead of putting everything up to chance.

As to adding hospitals, yes the Clinical Ed people are willing. But LECOM is so strict on everything that most places don't want to deal with it. If the Administration had better people skills and the belief that other people's ideas just might be a better idea, we would have an even larger network. But give it a try, couldn't hurt, and if you start now, it just might be available by the time you pick rotations.

I'm sure I'm going to hear some LECOM bashing. Bring it on. I'll probably agree with most of it.

 

[Dr_sax]

Thanks Nugget. That was helpful.

Dr_Sax, LECOM '07

 

[hippocrates2006]

Originally posted by Dr_sax
Thanks Nugget. That was helpful.

Dr_Sax, LECOM '07

Obviously some people can eat dirt and call it steak. U know some people are just happy to be in any old medical school...Lecom...Carribean......Mexico..... Thats fine tell yourself what you want to hear.....But in reality.....well U WILL SEE.....Remember where you heard it. I dare U to try and get another clinical site added.....then write me back...ok......not to say I told U so ahead of time......but ok I just did. This is not a student friendly school and I doubt it ever will be......Try to get a rotation at a highly respected Medical center...... Oh by the way why did I come here.......Well lets just say some individuals....Kiss butt students to add.....used a little of what would be called rarefraction of the truth...... By the way ask to see a list of residency appointments attained by lecom grads....while your at it why dont you ask for board pass rates....guess it doesnt matter if you chose to start medical school here you should make good to yourself and finish..... But, U will not find clinical administrators to be very helpful.

 

[stomper627]

couldnt agree more, DaNuggett!!! Im usually one of the 1st to bash the "rules" of lecom....but Im more than happy with the rotation situation....
Hippocrates2006, Im curious, when did you set up your rotations? Oh yeah, thats right YOU HAVENT YET....so how could you know how it works? Believe me, its a complicated system that does seem to work well and fair. There are rifts (my group probably had the largest one....we had someone reneg on a statement they made early in the process....and would not go to a particular hospital that was required of a student). It was resolved fairly easily and within the group....and no money was collected....although that was an option.
Hippocrates2006....bash the rules of lecom all you want as you currently attend...Lord knows I did, and still do....but dont claim to know anything about the clinical rotation situation when you have not lived it....just as though I will not claim to know anything about 4th year life....or intern life.
As far as setting up at well known hospitals....use your electives....they can be done ANYWHERE!!!! Do remember...at many of the big hospitals with large residency programs....you will be the bottom of the list (behind residents, interns, 4th year students, and sometimes even PAs) and good chance wont get to do anything. Some of the smaller community hospitals...you may get to be 1st assist on many surgeries.
Choose places wisely!!!
stomper

 

[hippocrates2006]

Originally posted by stomper627
couldnt agree more, DaNuggett!!! Im usually one of the 1st to bash the "rules" of lecom....but Im more than happy with the rotation situation....
Hippocrates2006, Im curious, when did you set up your rotations? Oh yeah, thats right YOU HAVENT YET....so how could you know how it works? Believe me, its a complicated system that does seem to work well and fair. There are rifts (my group probably had the largest one....we had someone reneg on a statement they made early in the process....and would not go to a particular hospital that was required of a student). It was resolved fairly easily and within the group....and no money was collected....although that was an option.
Hippocrates2006....bash the rules of lecom all you want as you currently attend...Lord knows I did, and still do....but dont claim to know anything about the clinical rotation situation when you have not lived it....just as though I will not claim to know anything about 4th year life....or intern life.
As far as setting up at well known hospitals....use your electives....they can be done ANYWHERE!!!! Do remember...at many of the big hospitals with large residency programs....you will be the bottom of the list (behind residents, interns, 4th year students, and sometimes even PAs) and good chance wont get to do anything. Some of the smaller community hospitals...you may get to be 1st assist on many surgeries.
Choose places wisely!!!
stomper

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AHH another SGA Buttkisser!!!

 

[Dr_sax]

This is my opinion as an MS-I nobody who hasn't even attended class...take it as you wish:

Whoa!!!!! Nice bitterness.....you really inspire someone like me to try hard or give a damn. I'll try my best to wade through the huge pile of crap known as LECOM. Maybe if I'm lucky I won't manage to hate myself or my decision too much by the time I'm an MS-II. Or better yet, maybe I should start drinking now to dull the pain. I'll make sure to avoid you when stumbling into class drunk...I wouldn't want you to go ballistic and shoot me for bumping in to you or looking in your general direction. Maybe when I graduate I can frame my diploma above my toilet seat.
You don't like LECOM, we get it already. If you don't like it so much, then leave. It's obviously doing wonders for your social skills. It's not a student friendly school but it's apparently a Student-student friendly school!!!YEH!!!! Let's all hate each other. Hey stomper, hermione, sddoc, DOtobe, danugget79, njdo...I hate you for going to LECOM..you worthless nobodies....man, I feel better. Thanks hippocrates.
Oh and Green912, doctortobee, neeja, kristene, raspberry, niceguydoc, smgilles...you all suck too. Man, isn't hate easy???
Oh, and I'll mark your words....believe me. I've written everything you said down and intend to frame it next to my diploma above my toliet seat. If I graduate of course.....
Your "realism" is crap. You don't want to give us any advice. You want us to hate it as much as you do. I say to hell with you for trying to make us feel bad. You want to discuss this further, PM me.
Dr_Sax

Oh and btw....when I spoke with my cousin who's a "big-shot" D.O. in MO, he didn't seem to have too many bad things to say about LECOM. And he knows what LECOM's board pass rates are...said he was pretty impressed.

 

[hippocrates2006]

Originally posted by hippocrates2006
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AHH another SGA Buttkisser!!!

By the way I got all my information from a practicing DO who decided not to take all the crap LECOM has to offer.. He transferred to a student friendly school... I DARE U TO CALL LECOM STUDENT FRIENDLY.......Then I will call u a LIAR!!!! Now maybe just ignorant. By the way this guy had a wife and new babies and LECOM ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT HELP HIM STAY WITH HIS WIFE DURING CLINICALS!!!! Very cold hearted if I must say...

 

[stomper627]

Hipp...
thats pretty cool man....glad to know there are mature individuals out there.
For the record....Im far from an SGA buttkisser....and Im extremely pleased to be done with my MSII year....and away from lecom.
But I am a realist....bitch moan complain skip class out of dress code, etc....me the past 2 years. But now i get to do what I want....see patients....and Im very pleased with it.
Im stating the obvious....you dont know, because you havent experience MSII yet, nor have you chosen any rotation. So you cant know what its like....other than discussing it with MSIII or MSIVs. And thats a small number of individuals.
Grow up....someday youll have someones life in your hands. Act like it now.
Jason Stombaugh
LECOM MSIII

 

[hippocrates2006]

Originally posted by stomper627
Hipp...
thats pretty cool man....glad to know there are mature individuals out there.
For the record....Im far from an SGA buttkisser....and Im extremely pleased to be done with my MSII year....and away from lecom.
But I am a realist....bitch moan complain skip class out of dress code, etc....me the past 2 years. But now i get to do what I want....see patients....and Im very pleased with it.
Im stating the obvious....you dont know, because you havent experience MSII yet, nor have you chosen any rotation. So you cant know what its like....other than discussing it with MSIII or MSIVs. And thats a small number of individuals.
Grow up....someday youll have someones life in your hands. Act like it now.
Jason Stombaugh
LECOM MSIII

Perhaps you have blocked out all the painful experiences....U know post traumatic stress disorder. I am just repeating what I have been told by RELIABLE sources and their experiences. As well as some of my own. I have done more than talked with MSIII or MSIV students. I have talked to practitioners who have gone to LECOM and they are where I vicariously learn from their experiences. Im not saying beat yourselves up about attending LECOM....Im just saying that things NEED TO CHANGE. U can be the agents of change. If you bother to let them know U are unhappy with the system and are going to talk about it to others....see this forces them to change or just to attract a majority of poor quality students as it now is. Alot of post bacs are students who couldnt even get into most foreign medical schools. At least 25% of the class must be made up of 0 competition students and it shows in the boards. Ask the percent of students passing this last years boards.....Im sure it will not impress anyone. Maybe foreign medical schools?????

 

[DaNugget79]

Wow. Quite a skirmish happened while I was at dinner. I don't even know where to start. Is LECOM student friendly? I don't know. Depends on where you stand. Has it done anything absolutely awful that I have to go onto the internet and anonmyously bash it like a pathetic baby? No. Does it have absolutely stupid rules and regulations? Hell yeah. Deal with it. I chose this school knowing it had rules. Bitching and moaning to each other doesn't really help. That's true. Bitching and moaning on the internet ain't going to do anything either *******. Scare people away from the school just because you feel that you can't remove the Dean's sneakers from your arse is just stupid. It's only there because you let it. If you make everything an issue, it'll be there. If you just study and not worry about the stupid rules, you won't even hear the pitter patter of her sneakers come up behind you because she won't be there.

You want to rise up and challenge the administration. Fine, do it. You want to be an "Agent of change"? Great. I'm behind you. Run for an SGA office next year, or talk to the SGA. They are probably the only route to the Dean in which you will be heard. Like it or not, that's the way it is. I'll probably be one of the first to be back you up. Believe it or not, SGA can and has done things to help the students out because they are students and go through the same crap. And honestly, what does being an SGA buttkisser have to do with anything?

Boards. You keep saying no one has seen the results. True. Don't forget that includes you too jackass. I'll admit it, they probably are lower than some schools. But a great great majority still pass because a crap load of people are still graduating. Some won't ever pass. They don't get to be doctors. Is it LECOM's fault? Maybe. Who knows. Just study, what else can you do?

Things "NEED TO CHANGE" as you put it. Well, no ****. That's quite an epiphany you came up with there buddy. We should just award you your DO now and have you on your way. Of course things need to change. I haven't risen up because I've been too busy studying to worry about the stupid rules. I don't care about them. If you study and pass your classes, the school won't touch you. And if I let them bother me, that means that they win. I refuse to allow that to happen. And it's really not as bad as you keep making it. It really isn't.

The administration, not the academic faculty, sucks. Correct, true, absolutely right, all of the above. But I like most of the faculty and staff. They really are there to teach and help you out. There are two kinds of students at LECOM. I chose this school over others. I'm going to deal with everthing, good and bad, and become a doctor. For others, LECOM was the only school that gave them a chance. For that they are grateful. And in the end, we are all the same. You are in one of those two groups, so either it's your own fault for coming or you yourself could be in the caribbean.

Bash away. For the most part it's all true. But you know what? In a couple of years, we'll have Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine written across our degrees. You will cringe. Most will be very proud. I won't give a rat's ass. I'll just know that I can go out and be a doctor. I'll be happy.

As far as big name "highly respected" hospitals. LECOM is affiliated with West Penn, the Cleveland Clinic, and Hamot, all Top 100 hospitals. There could be more I don't know. How many schools can say they have major affiliations with at least 3 Top 100s?

One more thing. Damn you for making me go from cursing LECOM to defending LECOM. You just made me realize it really wasn't as bad as I made it. Damn you. I don't know who I am now.

 

[Neeja]

By the way, Dr_Sax- I hate you too .

I had more of a general question, and probably a rather stupid one, but nonetheless, I don't know the answer... When you are doing clinical rotations, do you move in groups of 10-15 students? I vaguely remember that from my interview, and we were told that sometimes its hard for everyone to agree on a specific location- is this the case, or are rotations completed on an individual basis?

Thanks!

 

[hippocrates2006]

Originally posted by DaNugget79
Wow. Quite a skirmish happened while I was at dinner. I don't even know where to start. Is LECOM student friendly? I don't know. Depends on where you stand. Has it done anything absolutely awful that I have to go onto the internet and anonmyously bash it like a pathetic baby? No. Does it have absolutely stupid rules and regulations? Hell yeah. Deal with it. I chose this school knowing it had rules. Bitching and moaning to each other doesn't really help. That's true. Bitching and moaning on the internet ain't going to do anything either *******. Scare people away from the school just because you feel that you can't remove the Dean's sneakers from your arse is just stupid. It's only there because you let it. If you make everything an issue, it'll be there. If you just study and not worry about the stupid rules, you won't even hear the pitter patter of her sneakers come up behind you because she won't be there.

You want to rise up and challenge the administration. Fine, do it. You want to be an "Agent of change"? Great. I'm behind you. Run for an SGA office next year, or talk to the SGA. They are probably the only route to the Dean in which you will be heard. Like it or not, that's the way it is. I'll probably be one of the first to be back you up. Believe it or not, SGA can and has done things to help the students out because they are students and go through the same crap. And honestly, what does being an SGA buttkisser have to do with anything?

Boards. You keep saying no one has seen the results. True. Don't forget that includes you too jackass. I'll admit it, they probably are lower than some schools. But a great great majority still pass because a crap load of people are still graduating. Some won't ever pass. They don't get to be doctors. Is it LECOM's fault? Maybe. Who knows. Just study, what else can you do?

Things "NEED TO CHANGE" as you put it. Well, no ****. That's quite an epiphany you came up with there buddy. We should just award you your DO now and have you on your way. Of course things need to change. I haven't risen up because I've been too busy studying to worry about the stupid rules. I don't care about them. If you study and pass your classes, the school won't touch you. And if I let them bother me, that means that they win. I refuse to allow that to happen. And it's really not as bad as you keep making it. It really isn't.

The administration, not the academic faculty, sucks. Correct, true, absolutely right, all of the above. But I like most of the faculty and staff. They really are there to teach and help you out. There are two kinds of students at LECOM. I chose this school over others. I'm going to deal with everthing, good and bad, and become a doctor. For others, LECOM was the only school that gave them a chance. For that they are grateful. And in the end, we are all the same. You are in one of those two groups, so either it's your own fault for coming or you yourself could be in the caribbean.

Bash away. For the most part it's all true. But you know what? In a couple of years, we'll have Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine written across our degrees. You will cringe. Most will be very proud. I won't give a rat's ass. I'll just know that I can go out and be a doctor. I'll be happy.

As far as big name "highly respected" hospitals. LECOM is affiliated with West Penn, the Cleveland Clinic, and Hamot, all Top 100 hospitals. There could be more I don't know. How many schools can say they have major affiliations with at least 3 Top 100s?


Obviously in your emotional frenzy you have backed up my opinion. Sorry I made you reflect upon your traumatic experience. I am glad you have made it and will become a doctor when clinicals are done. As far as you calling me a *******, I will consider it you just blowing off steam from your emotional turmoil. I forgive you. Ill bet scholastically Im kickin your behind too. So dont get too full of yourself....being a third year and all. By the way I can name many schools that have top 10 affiliations. Something lecom will never have unfortunately for us.
So how did you do on the boards? Did you even make the 50th percentile? Were U yourself a postbac?

 

[Dr_sax]

You know, criticism's a funny thing. You give a little and you're a whiner. You give a little more and you may be considered a reformer, possibly a visionary. You give too much of it and you're an imbecile.

When you criticize an institution or a organization in which you are a part of, to the level that you have, you don't do anything but criticize yourself. You only make yourself look bad. If the school that you belong to is in your opinion so bad, what does that say about you? If you're so much wiser for seeing the true evils, then why are you still a part of it? Why don't you leave, or better yet, try and change it?

Let's see if I can reconstruct your simple argument:
1) LECOM is a crappy school
2) Students at LECOM are stupid
3) Hippocrates goes to LECOM
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Hippocrates is stupid....or a ******* as DaNugget put it.

And what are these scholastic achievements you have attained? LECOM has low admittance standards..you couldn't possibly be THAT smart to do well...you must just be the smartest monkey in the jungle.

 

[raspberry swirl]

wow

 

[DOtobe]

I can't believe I am even contributing to this thread that has turned into some LECOM-trollfest. But here is my two cents.

I will agree with my fellow MS-IIIs stomper and Nugget that LECOM has problems. But show me a school that is 100% perfect and has no problems and I will give you a million dollars. No school has 100% board pass rates, 100% happy students, 100% of students getting their first pick in the match, 100% of their rotations sites at "top" hospitals. So suck it up, life is not perfect. LECOM students have a good reputation among our affiliates for the most part. My first attending told me that they love having LECOM students because we are very well-trained and willing to work and know what we are doing. Any school that carries that reputation with it into the clinicals makes me happy. Was I happy to get out of Ferretti-land? Hell yes. But the education I got there is leading me toward becoming a doctor. And that is enough for me. I knew I wasn't going to have a utopia-like experience at LECOM, and any mature adult should know that.

Just my two cents' worth. Bash away, hippocrates (aka troll)

[*DOtobe adds hippocrates to "ignore"*]

 

[kristenE]

DR-sax... thanks, I hate you too!!!
I just came back from my physical at the hands of a very happy, very successful, well-liked and well-respected LECOM graduate. He had nothing but good things to say about Erie, life there, school, rotation sites or his ability to get a good residency. So, I guess there are people who liked LECOM and came out without that chip on their shoulder.
Kristen

 

[stomper627]

Bravo....
DaNugget, DOtobe....with this attitude of hippo at this stage of the game....I cant wait to see how well s/he takes to the MSII and board studying stress. Only wish I was doing a Psych rotation at Millcreek in may/june as hippo may well be committed at that time.
hippo....Ease up man, youve got a long way to go....and you have no idea how stressful it is....and how much stress us MSIII are right now as we should be getting our scores in the next week or so. Previously, lecom did not keep students from taking the boards. They do now....like all medical schools....which inflates board scores.
Why do you care whether anyone was a post bac, or what their grades are? You must be a gunner....and with that attitude a pretty crappy doctor you will make. Why would any other doctor what to work with you? You need friends and colleagues in this profession, not enemies Good luck getting a good residency. Sure you may have the grades and get the boards scores....but if they see that attitude and realize theyll have to work with you 16hrs/day for the next 3-5 years....theyll pass you up in a heartbeat!!!!
Give it up....youve made nothing but a fool of yourself tonight.
stomper

 

[hippocrates2006]

Originally posted by stomper627
Bravo....
DaNugget, DOtobe....with this attitude of hippo at this stage of the game....I cant wait to see how well s/he takes to the MSII and board studying stress. Only wish I was doing a Psych rotation at Millcreek in may/june as hippo may well be committed at that time.
hippo....Ease up man, youve got a long way to go....and you have no idea how stressful it is....and how much stress us MSIII are right now as we should be getting our scores in the next week or so. Previously, lecom did not keep students from taking the boards. They do now....like all medical schools....which inflates board scores.
Why do you care whether anyone was a post bac, or what their grades are? You must be a gunner....and with that attitude a pretty crappy doctor you will make. Why would any other doctor what to work with you? You need friends and colleagues in this profession, not enemies Good luck getting a good residency. Sure you may have the grades and get the boards scores....but if they see that attitude and realize theyll have to work with you 16hrs/day for the next 3-5 years....theyll pass you up in a heartbeat!!!!
Give it up....youve made nothing but a fool of yourself tonight.
stomper

Ok....Guess Ill just start socializing with some scholastic students who dont have the 70=DO attitude. Hey just to let you know most respectable residency directors wont even look at you if you dont have good grades and board scores. the desirable allopathic ones anyway. Fool ? Look in the mirror pal.... Just telling people the way it is at lecom with trying to get new clinical areas and people obviously dont want to hear the truth.....
So phuck U all. Peace out............

 

[niceguydoc]

wow. i don't know what to say. you know, at first i have to admit, i wasn't sure about attending lecom...due to rumors that the schools reputation was not on par with the other DO schools, the school not making public their matchlist like most other MD/DO schools, etc, but in the end, it what you make out of your med school experience that counts. the material you learn in med school is more or less the same, so if you put in the time and effort, then you shall be rewarded in the end - that's the attitude i'm adopting nowdays. the reason i have decided to attend lecom is b/c of their relatively low priced tuition, i'll end up saving about 40 g's over the 4 years compared to going to a school with a higher tution like pcom or tucom. i think hippocrates make some good points, as do everyone else on this msg board. everyone is entitled to their opinions, and it's good to hear good and bad things about a given topic. i can't really say much about the clinical education at lecom, or even the first two years since i haven't gone thru them yet, i can only go by what i hear from other folks, etc, and from what i have heard, i think lecom is a decent school.

 

[stomper627]

Originally posted by hippocrates2006
[B...Hey just to let you know most respectable residency directors wont even look at you if you dont have good grades and board scores. the desirable allopathic ones anyway. [/B]

Guess weve now found the root of the problem....youre a bitter allopath who couldnt get in to an allopathic school so youll have to settle for the DO.
least now we know....thanks!!!!
stomper

 

[Non-Trad DO]

Anyone viewing this thread,
Isn't it becoming more apparent, with physicians carving their initials in womens c-sections etc., that med schools are not really filtering out all of the maladjusted individuals and beasts with God complexes by placing so much weight on MCAT's and GPA's. These individuals are the breeding ground for the hatred and distrust of physicians.
I'm an ex-post-bacc, no remediations and two C's (76%'s) one in Gross and one in OMMII.
Acreditation of med schools is such that the info is given in such minute detail that you'll rarely find a zebra you've never heard of and clinicals (anywhere you do them) nail it down. Thats why the sayings go 70=DO and 2-2-2 (2 months for step one, 2 days for step 2 and a #2 pencil for step three). Every physician I've ever spoken to about medical school (Osteo or Allo) confirms this.
Phuck U back hippocrates2006,
Phillip Mele.

 

[Dr_sax]

Just for the record....I don't actually hate anyone. I'm sure you all figured it out.

The apologetic dr_sax

 

[hippocrates2006]

Hey BF. You must be close to ******ed or something....right, I mean to get into lecom all a person needs is 3.0 or slightly above. You must have been much lower than that to need the Postbac program. I mean the special class!!!!!!

 

[Dr_sax]

Ok, I'm just laughing now.

 

[Plinko]

Dr Sax (and everyone else)....Just ignore him. He'll eventually get bored and decide to take the short bus back to 8 Mile.

 

[kristenE]

Do I need to grab a couple pair of boxing gloves??? Ahhhhh... the smell of testosterone on a warm Summers day!!

 

[Dr_sax]

Yeah, after ripping out of my clothes last night and turning green, I had a pretty good sleep. I'm feeling very Bruce Bannerish today...no worries.

The actually quite humble and reserved Dr_Sax

 

[stomper627]

Hippo....
be a real man....quit hiding behind anonymous posts....give us your real name!!! You talk tough, but I bet you wont let us know who you are!!!!
You claim all these things and that you are very intelligent....why not let us see you for you? Back it up. Youve only shown us that you are immature....having to resort to name calling and using foul language... a sign of a true intellect.
stomper

 

[sddoc]

To all of the incoming MSI's:

It's really not that bad. In fact, I would say that after my first year, I actually have a positive view of LECOM. Honestly, I think that for people who have experienced real life jobs prior to medical school (hermione, nontradDO, myself, and others), the politics at LECOM aren't really a big deal. For those students who are coming into LECOM directly out of college, it may be a bit more stressful.


Another thing to consider is the pathway. Hermione, NontradDO, and I are all PBL students. We don't have the daily run ins with the fashion police. Quite honestly, the Ferretti's have never really had an impact in my life. All we really care about, as a group, are nailing down APPROPRIATE chapters
and making sure that, if possible, everyone passes the test. With few exceptions, I feel like the PBL pathway is a team.

As an MSII, I have had only a few conversations regarding clinical rotations. I can offer no advice or insight into the process. I think that the MSII's should leave the description of the process to the MSIII's at this point. (See Stomper, I can agree with you! )

MSI's - Just hang in there. All will be revealed to you in less than a week. If you have questions, pm me, or email me at lecom. My email address is in my profile. Good luck! Don't let anyone else dictate what your experience at Lecom will be. Make up your own mind once you are there. Since you are paying $160,000 for the experience, I suggest that you try to enjoy it. You are in med school, so the odds are relatively good that you will be a doctor. Isn't that why you applied?

Bobbie Schneller
MSII, PBL Pathway

 

[Doctortobee]

GREAT POST!

 

[stomper627]

Well stated

 

[Non-Trad DO]

sddoc,
Thank You. Your the best.
Phil.





hippocrates 2006,
I'm no more "******ed" than any other person who didn't get in on their first attempt and had to do some sort of post-undergrad training or education.
P.S.I don't know who told you I was a BF but frankly my sexual preferences are really none of you business.

 

[hermione]

Wow. This is getting good now. I WAS going to stay out of it, but then Phil told Bobbie she was the best, and I want to be the best, too!

Turns out I am so ******ed that I decided to become a LECOM ambassador. Yes, thats right, I actually like LECOM so much that I want to share my positive experience with other people. And here I was, thinking that I was at least a little bit intelligent, being an MSII and all. Thank you so much, HIPPO, for setting me straight. I better drop out now and save myself the stress, since I have yet to meet a ******ed doctor. Then again, you haven't graduated yet, so it still could happen. You silly little fool.

LECOM is not bad. Acutally, I really like it, despite having classmates like Hippo. But the funny thing is, you really never deal with people like this in person, because they don't have the balls to talk like this when others could actually confront their ignorance face to face. So hide behind your screen name you cowardly little troll.

Good luck, Class of 2007. You may all be "******ed" for choosing LECOM, but at least you will be ******, D.O.!

Sara Schecter
MSII, PBL Pathway
Seat 197
Lecom Ambassador

 

[moonshallow]

I have to admit that LECOM has been student friendly when it came to my computer ideas, but overall I believe LECOM is student-UNfriendly.

This is NOT new to med schools...I went to Drexel Med School & it was the same way...I have friends that go to allopathic & osteopathic schools & they say the same things...apparently, if the admin. listen to the students every time,,,it will cost them $$.

As for clinical rotations, most med schools do NOT like sites out of their network...Drexel does NOT like sites out of their TENET Health Systems...so I do NOT fault LECOM for being this way...but I find the clinical director friendly & helped me set up a clinical rotation.

As far as the person who says MOST respectable residency directors want good grades & board scores is partially correct...my father has been on a # of resident admission boards & we have family friends on residency admission boards at Harvard, U. Pitt, Cleveland Clinic, etc. & they offered this insight to me...They consider the rotation grades (& even more so the comments you receive on the rotation where applicable) the most important, followed by board scores, then system grades, then core grades...they told me many times students come in w/a 3.6 avg., excellent board scores, & ranked in the top 5% of their class, but they turn them down for someone who has avg. grades & board scores b/c of the comments the "smart" student received from their rotations say that student has an attitude OR thinks he/she knows everything OR is NOT a team player, whereas the "avg." student asked a lot of ?'s, worked well in a group, & was interested in learning, was on time, etc.

Thought this might help...of course, what do I know?

 

[sddoc]

Too late, Sara! I'm already the best! By the way, now that you have a new last name, can we still expect to see you in good old Seat 197?

 

[Non-Trad DO]

Hermione,
First off Congratulations on the "name change".
Now that I know who you are, anyone in the "Brian Mosora Haters Club" is at the top of my list of "best people", especially the president.
See Ya' on the 4th,
Phil.

 

[hermione]

Thanks Phil, I will sleep well tonight knowing I made the list. It was really bothering me!

See you Monday.

 

[stomper627]

Where did the troll hippo go? Ive been waiting patiently for over a week for some type of reply

Has anyone heard? I did a search and found no new post from him/her. Im rather worried, we were having such an intellectual conversation.
stomper

 

[hermione]

I hereby declare victory over evil. Good prevails again!

 

[DOtobe]

Yeah, he ran away with his tail between his legs when we all made him look stupid...

 

[stomper627]

Oh....sure now Hippo is a He.....

 

[DOtobe]

*correction: he/she*

 

[bustbones26]

Wow, this post has really gone out there! Okay let me begin by making a few of my onw comments.

First, does LECOM have some frustrating rules and regulations? Yes, they do. But I ask any of you, is there any perfect med-school? MD or DO? Is there any school in the United States where every single student in a class is happy and has nothing to gripe about when I comes to their school? LECOM is not perfect, but so what! Neither is anybody else.


There is no point to sitting here and bashing LECOM and each other. Has it really gotten anybody anywhere? My only word of advice to anyone that reads this is: no matter how you feel about LECOM, whether you think it is just a downright crappy school, or if you think its the greatest place on earth, I beg each and every one of you not to talk dirt about LECOM while you are on clinical rotations. Even if what you say is true, even if you truley feel that you are right about LECOM being a crappy school, because if you talk smack on LECOM, you are talking smack on yourself and don't even realize you're doing it.

Now my personal view is this. I just want to be a doctor and legally practice medicine in the United States. If it was my desire to get a residency in underwater extra terrestrial neurosurgery at teh Mayo Clinic, then maybe I'd give a rip!

 

[wbadb]

Hey everyone,
Now that the mean terrible haters have left, I can finally give a "whaz up" (JP c. 2001) to my ******ed peeps. My name is spelled with a "Y" nontrad. Hey Kristen, hope all is well with you, saw you sportin' at the mall few days ago. Anyways, my $.02, LECOM has problems for snizzle (MR c.2002), but what school doesn't. I have friends from allopathic programs, off shore programs, other D.O. programs, all with complaints similar to the one's that I have been reading. It always seems like you can't win, take it from a "black cloud over my head" guy like me, but that is par for the course when you are in a stressfull situation, similar to the first year of med-school. But nontrad and I don't know about the stress because we have been spoonfed since post-bac, and are in the often not talked about "learning impaired" pathway. Sara, Bobbie, good to see both of you, Sara, congrats, as I shed a tear. Anyways I will see you all around the halls of our med school, the best in my book, 'cause they are letting me kick it D.O. style all the way to a great career as an underwater extra-terrestrial neurosurgeon at the Mayo clinic.

Peace

 

[kristenE]

me, Kristen? Or some other Kristen?? I am perplexed!!