How to ask a med school if they drug test?

[DeadliestSnatch]

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...it's legal if you're over 21?

I'm sorry. Here I was thinking that we're all able to think critically about things. But you're right...alcohol is legal and pot isn't AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT. Why question it? The government always has our best interests at heart, duh.

Get over yourself. You're going to medical school. Do you even understand the medical implications of alcohol and tobacco abuse vs. marijuana "abuse?" It's your job to research and think about these issues.

Not to mention oh, I don't know, which one of those three is the greatest factor in violent crime. I can't remember the last time I heard of a dude getting stoned and beating up his wife. But drunk? Happens every 5 minutes, probably.

 

[flaahless]

My response:

That'll be me delivering your baby. 🙂

Ahaha 👍

 

[MilkmanAl]

I'm sorry. Here I was thinking that we're all able to think critically about things. But you're right...alcohol is legal and pot isn't AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT. Why question it? The government always has our best interests at heart, duh.

Get over yourself. You're going to medical school. Do you even understand the medical implications of alcohol and tobacco abuse vs. marijuana "abuse?" It's your job to research and think about these issues.

Not to mention oh, I don't know, which one of those three is the greatest factor in violent crime. I can't remember the last time I heard of a dude getting stoned and beating up his wife. But drunk? Happens every 5 minutes, probably.

Well, dude, that is actually the end of that. The way things should be is irrelevant. The way things are is what matters. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it or go somewhere else.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I know you're a moderator and all and I say this with all due respect, but so? The OP posed a question. We're all free to air our opinions. He doesn't get to control the content of the thread, even if he's the one who started it. He can delete his original post, but the post spurred a discussion and I don't think it has to end just because the OP said so.

The point is that the question originally posed was med-school related and thus appropriate for pre-allo. The turn this thread has taken is not.

 

[NotAndrew]

Think again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/26/holder-vows-to-end-raids_n_170119.html

As I said, the loophole is that it's medicinal, not recreational. The feds, under Obama, don't want any part of it.

I only read part of the book you posted a link to, like the first 3 paragraphs, but I found nothing of a loophole. Also when trying to prove points please stick to actual news sources.

 

[ButImLETired]

I'm sorry. Here I was thinking that we're all able to think critically about things. But you're right...alcohol is legal and pot isn't AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT. Why question it? The government always has our best interests at heart, duh.

Get over yourself. You're going to medical school. Do you even understand the medical implications of alcohol and tobacco abuse vs. marijuana "abuse?" It's your job to research and think about these issues.

Not to mention oh, I don't know, which one of those three is the greatest factor in violent crime. I can't remember the last time I heard of a dude getting stoned and beating up his wife. But drunk? Happens every 5 minutes, probably.

Well, you responded to my argument that alcohol is legal and fun when in moderation (as opposed to pot, which is illegal), and asked how alcohol is different from pot. I responded referring to my post: legal. That's the main difference.

I'm not getting into an argument with you about pot vs. alcohol, cause it's a dumb argument anyway. I don't care about the philosophy behind pot being healthier than liquor, or less likely to cause crimes to occur, or being more pleasant, or whatever. They don't test for alcohol, why? Cause it's legal. If they make pot legal, great. If they don't, great. I'm a grown-up. I don't want to get into trouble with the law cause I *need* to smoke pot and mellow out. I don't want to risk my entire future over something that stupid. There are legal alternatives, and whether you think they're less safe or less fun or less whatever is entirely irrelevant to me. One can get your acceptance rescinded and the other one won't. It's as simple as that.

 

[Depakote]

I'm sorry. Here I was thinking that we're all able to think critically about things. But you're right...alcohol is legal and pot isn't AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT. Why question it? The government always has our best interests at heart, duh.

Get over yourself. You're going to medical school. Do you even understand the medical implications of alcohol and tobacco abuse vs. marijuana "abuse?" It's your job to research and think about these issues.

Not to mention oh, I don't know, which one of those three is the greatest factor in violent crime. I can't remember the last time I heard of a dude getting stoned and beating up his wife. But drunk? Happens every 5 minutes, probably.

That's great, get the law changed.

But until you do, getting caught buying, owning or using alcohol isn't going to hurt your chances of getting into medical school. MJ on the other hand...

 

[aznb0y129]

Well, you responded to my argument that alcohol is legal and fun when in moderation (as opposed to pot, which is illegal), and asked how alcohol is different from pot. I responded referring to my post: legal. That's the main difference.

I'm not getting into an argument with you about pot vs. alcohol, cause it's a dumb argument anyway. I don't care about the philosophy behind pot being healthier than liquor, or less likely to cause crimes to occur, or being more pleasant, or whatever. They don't test for alcohol, why? Cause it's legal. If they make pot legal, great. If they don't, great. I'm a grown-up. I don't want to get into trouble with the law cause I *need* to smoke pot and mellow out. I don't want to risk my entire future over something that stupid. There are legal alternatives, and whether you think they're less safe or less fun or less whatever is entirely irrelevant to me. One can get your acceptance rescinded and the other one won't. It's as simple as that.

LET, as usual, FTW 👍

 

[NotAndrew]

That's great, get the law changed.

But until you do, getting caught buying, owning or using alcohol isn't going to hurt your chances of getting into medical school. MJ on the other hand...

I agree, I really don't have a problem with marijuana, but it still is illegal and this is why you should not use it.

 

[ZeusonRoids]

If you only smoke once a year or less how long does weed stay in your system?

...uhh my "friend" wanted me to ask🙄

 

[DeadliestSnatch]

I agree, I really don't have a problem with marijuana, but it still is illegal and this is why you should not use it.

It's never going to BE legal until everyday people who do use it come out of the shadows and own up to it, that's the problem. If people knew their doctors were smoking pot and, gasp, leading healthy, productive lives, maybe politicians would wake up and realize how f!cking ridiculous the current laws are. Instead we should spend millions trying to prevent people from doing drugs and, oh, FAILING ANYWAY, because people like drugs. It might be better spent on, say, education or healthcare or new roads and fire departments. But that'd be crazy. And why should the medical community care? It's not like they're the experts on---oh, wait.

But whatever. I don't even smoke weed, because for some reason my body metabolizes it instantly and it doesn't affect me. So, no need to worry about any drug tests.

I think it'd be rad if the OP wrote an impassioned letter defending his use of marijuana to med schools, but that would never happen.

 

[nlax30]

Let's keep this thread civil on-topic, mmmkay? OP specifically said he doesn't need a soap-box speech.

I know you're a mod, but you'll call out the fact that some of us are giving "soap-box speeches" when the thread is about an illegal activity to begin with??

 

[MedStudentWanna]

The point is that the question originally posed was med-school related and thus appropriate for pre-allo. The turn this thread has taken is not.

I disagree. The pre-allo issue is integrity. How is this any different from when someone posts "can I hide my CC grades from adcoms?" and it starts a storm of posts about honesty in pre-meds and in aspiring doctors?

 

[MedStudentWanna]

I only read part of the book you posted a link to, like the first 3 paragraphs, but I found nothing of a loophole. Also when trying to prove points please stick to actual news sources.

Then maybe you should have read the whole thing because if you had, you would have known that you don't need "actual news sources" when Holder's own words are captured on video. Or do you think the CSPAN video of his press conference was doctored by the Huffington Post?

Here's the NY Times article about it if it'll help. It doesn't say there's a loophole; it says the feds won't get involved in prosecuting medicinal marijuana, which was my point. They don't want a part of it. My position is that it's not clearly inscribed in federal law that marijuana for medical purpose is illegal and so there's a loophole this administration doesn't want to deal with.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/us/19holder.html?_r=1&fta=y

 

[witness23]

do you guys like having the same arguments over and over again? is it about perfecting your opinion? i dont get it. md vs do, weed vs alcohol, this school vs that, affirmative action.

im not even criticizing, but dont you get tired? the same conversation can get so boring sometimes. maybe thats why i like being single. you could just watch youtube and be better satisfied than really get into this argument right? you can't really win or convince someone either way.

i dont even smoke at all, tried it twice like freshman year, tripped like crazy and got paranoid and s**t but i know a lot of good friends that still smoke up. i noticed that none of them are from the east coast (we all tried and quit freshman year).

when we see our patients, we are going to be responsible for providing accurate health related info that they are seeking right? legal/not legal you can't force someone to do something. you also can't impart your opinions and make them feel uncomfortable that they would be reluctant to share all truthful information with you.

as doctors, we will have greater responsibilities. im sure the OP understands that. but right now, you all up on dude grill like a dentist checkin for cavities or something. a lot of us have volunteered as readers and listeners at hospitals and hospices or whatever. you would think we would stop taking conversations for granted, but i stilll doooo.

well, anyway, i wanna hear some good stories from "wild pre-meds"

 

[NotAndrew]

Then maybe you should have read the whole thing because if you had, you would have known that you don't need "actual news sources" when Holder's own words are captured on video. Or do you think the CSPAN video of his press conference was doctored by the Huffington Post?

Here's the NY Times article about it if it'll help. It doesn't say there's a loophole; it says the feds won't get involved in prosecuting medicinal marijuana, which was my point. They don't want a part of it. My position is that it's not clearly inscribed in federal law that marijuana for medical purpose is illegal and so there's a loophole this administration doesn't want to deal with.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/us/19holder.html?_r=1&fta=y

At least the times is a real news source, the Huffington Post however is a joke in real media circles. After reading the article I found nothing of a loophole and nothing about marijuana of any kind being legal.

 

[Excelsius]

How do I go about doing this? Anonymous phone call?

Please don't give me the: "Can't you just stop smoking, you're gonna be a doctor you know!" I don't need a soap box lecture.

I don't see why you can't stop smoking for a few days before the test, but here it goes:

If you're a gunner:

1. Ask a successful fellow premed for his/her cell phone (say your batteries had died and someone had broken into your car)
2. Take MSAR
3. Go outside the classroom (preferably during class or especially a quiz) to a discreet location
4. Go to page 1 and call every single medschool in the country.

PS: If the cell phone is private, make sure to dial *82 before the number to unblock the privacy to ensure that the medschool knows from which number you are calling.

 

[flaahless]

I disagree. The pre-allo issue is integrity. How is this any different from when someone posts "can I hide my CC grades from adcoms?" and it starts a storm of posts about honesty in pre-meds and in aspiring doctors?

Bad analogy.

The OP merely inquired about how to ask a school if they drug test. That's not dishonest, rather it's a proactive way to ensure that s/he complies with the rules of the school. So stop giving him/her a hard time and help them out.

OP, just call and ask them. I'm sure you aren't the only stoner that your med school has encountered.

 

[RL536]

Okay, back to the orginal topic, does anyone know which schools actually drug test? I haven't heard of this anywhere, at least not in years 1 & 2.

 

[witness23]

sinai does

 

[MedStudentWanna]

After reading the article I found nothing of a loophole

My previous post:

My position is that it's not clearly inscribed in federal law that marijuana for medical purpose is illegal and so there's a loophole this administration doesn't want to deal with

and nothing about marijuana of any kind being legal.

From the article:

He said officials in California and the 12 other states that have authorized the use of medical marijuana

Just curious, how'd you do on MCAT verbal?

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Bad analogy.

The OP merely inquired about how to ask a school if they drug test.

Just like posters who inquire whether or not they have to disclose past grades or academic infractions.

That's not dishonest,

Um, just by virtue of committing a crime, it's dishonest.

rather it's a proactive way to ensure that s/he complies with the rules of the school.

I'm pretty sure the rules of any U.S. medical school include not breaking the law.

So stop giving him/her a hard time and help them out.

Uh no. Why don't you help him out and stop lecturing the rest of us who don't think it's A-okay to break the law?

 

[ZeusonRoids]

How do I go about doing this? Anonymous phone call?

Please don't give me the: "Can't you just stop smoking, you're gonna be a doctor you know!" I don't need a soap box lecture.

Just call the school (from a pay-phone) and ask if they drug test.

BTW I would not care if my surgeon smoked weed as long as he was not high when he was not high during the procedure.

Also I remember looking at the OPs MDapps when it was still up and he is VERY smart and got into some GREAT schools...Lots of you with the MDapps who are bashing did not even come close to the #s he had let alone get into the schools he did.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Just call the school (from a pay-phone) and ask if they drug test.

BTW I would not care if my surgeon smoked weed as long as he was not high when he was not high during the procedure.

Also I remember looking at the OPs MDapps when it was still up and he is VERY smart and got into some GREAT schools...Lots of you with the MDapps who are bashing did not even come close to the #s he had let alone get into the schools he did.

Oh OK, so if you get into a good school, it's OK to break the law. Gotcha.

 

[NotAndrew]

Back to basics, the illegality of marijuana is clearly inscribed and established in the federal controlled substance act of 1970, this is a federal law. Additionally California and a few other states decriminalizing/legalizing marijuana does not make it legal, this is because of the supremacy clause in the constitution of the United States. It establishes Federal law(like the one that makes marijuana illegal) as the supreme law of the land(the United States, of which California and every other state is a part of), it also states that laws in direct contradiction of federal laws are invalid(like California's prop 215). McCulloch V. Maryland and Edgar v. Mite Corporation are a few of the Supreme Court rulings that uphold the supremacy clause. Furthermore the Justice Department not actively prosecuting "medical marijuana" users is also not legalization, it is also not a loophole, the Justice Department not raiding "medical marijuana" dispensaries is also not legalization or a loophole.

 

[ZeusonRoids]

Oh OK, so if you get into a good school, it's OK to break the law. Gotcha.

Just pointing out that smoking weed =/= failure. I am also pointing out that not all laws are just.

It was once against the law for an African American or woman to vote...are all laws ethical and just?

Being able to navigate through moral ambiguity takes a mature and thoughtful mind my friend.

Is it ever okay to steal?

Is it okay to steal food if you have no other way of obtaining it and need it to feed your family?

Have you ever driven faster than the speed limit?...That is against the law too (even if it is only 56 in a 55 zone).

Someone who smokes weed does not typically pose a threat to others (unless they are driving or something like that)

My friend, the point I am trying to make is that people choose to live life differently and as long as they are not causing harm to you, you should not worry about it.

 

[iMD]

err... any toker that reads up on marijuana laws know the difference between federal and state. but thanks for telling everyone

btw 1+1=2

 

[flaahless]

Just like posters who inquire whether or not they have to disclose past grades or academic infractions.



Um, just by virtue of committing a crime, it's dishonest.



I'm pretty sure the rules of any U.S. medical school include not breaking the law.



Uh no. Why don't you help him out and stop lecturing the rest of us who don't think it's A-okay to break the law?

Wtf? You're analogies don't work, stop using them. What was dishonest about the OPs question? Nothing. The OP merely asked a question, about how to ask a question. They didn't attempt to subvert the drug testing policies of the school or anything of the sort.

I did help the OP out, I told them to call the school and ask.

 

[NotAndrew]

Just pointing out that smoking weed =/= failure. I am also pointing out that not all laws are just.

It was once against the law for an African American or woman to vote...are all laws ethical and just?

Being able to navigate through moral ambiguity takes a mature and thoughtful mind my friend.

Is it ever okay to steal?

Is it okay to steal food if you have no other way of obtaining it and need it to feed your family?

Have you ever driven faster than the speed limit?...That is against the law too (even if it is only 56 in a 55 zone).

Someone who smokes weed does not typically pose a threat to others (unless they are driving or something like that)

My friend, the point I am trying to make is that people choose to live life differently and as long as they are not causing harm to you, you should not worry about it.

Ok, there is a big difference between the right to vote, civil rights, the stamp act, etc.... and the right to smoke bud.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Wtf? You're analogies don't work,

No, you just have a problem with reading comprehension.

What was dishonest about the OPs question? Nothing.

Who said the question was dishonest? What I said was that breaking the law is dishonest.

The OP merely asked a question, about how to ask a question. They didn't attempt to subvert the drug testing policies of the school or anything of the sort.

No, he's just subverting the law, but hey, why split hairs?

 

[enjoydrywax]

Man the complacency some of you demonstrate with your anti-MJ rhetoric is absolutely disgusting (LET I am looking at you). So just because the government (which always has our best interests in mind 🙄🙄🙄) says MJ is illegal you are going to eschew it like it was created in the devil's garden? Are you going to live underneath your superiors and believe everything they tell you regardless of what science/common sense/logic say? No wonder Panda Bear refers to us as sheep.

Like somebody above posted, use your sensibility that got you into medical school--from a logical point of view marijuana is NO different than alcohol. Understand the research, open your mind, and stop spewing the drivel with which you were indoctrinated in middle school. You are all going to be INDEPENDENT thinkers as doctors... don't you think it's time to start now?

I understand some of you not wanting to "throw away thousands of hours of work and effort" and I understand/respect that, but honestly looking down on somebody for smoking weed is really ****ing stupid.

DeadliestSnatch et al, I wish I knew which medical school you are going to/are interested in/whatever because I can only assume I would be classmates with level-headed, independent-thinking, and fun classmates.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Just pointing out that smoking weed =/= failure. I am also pointing out that not all laws are just.

It was once against the law for an African American or woman to vote...are all laws ethical and just?

Being able to navigate through moral ambiguity takes a mature and thoughtful mind my friend.

Is it ever okay to steal?

Is it okay to steal food if you have no other way of obtaining it and need it to feed your family?

Have you ever driven faster than the speed limit?...That is against the law too (even if it is only 56 in a 55 zone).

Someone who smokes weed does not typically pose a threat to others (unless they are driving or something like that)

My friend, the point I am trying to make is that people choose to live life differently and as long as they are not causing harm to you, you should not worry about it.

Wow, did you just compare civil rights with smoking pot? Wow. Just. Wow.

 

[iMD]

and the right to do whatever you want to your body and in your own home isnt of paramount importance?

 

[enjoydrywax]

Just pointing out that smoking weed =/= failure. I am also pointing out that not all laws are just.

My friend, the point I am trying to make is that people choose to live life differently and as long as they are not causing harm to you, you should not worry about it.

Thank you.

 

[enjoydrywax]

Wow, did you just compare civil rights with smoking pot? Wow. Just. Wow.

The example was not meant to show that and I am saddened because you could not extract why he had posted it. Look at what he wrote right after:

"are all laws ethical and just?"

I think this question totally applies to what we are discussing.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

The example was not meant to show that and I am saddened because you could not extract why he had posted it. Look at what he wrote right after:

"are all laws ethical and just?"

I think this question totally applies to what we are discussing.

The example was meant to suggest that civil rights laws were unjust and therefore should have been ignored, just like pot laws are unjust and therefore should be ignored. You can argue it all you want, but the implication was clear.

 

[ZeusonRoids]

Wow, did you just compare civil rights with smoking pot? Wow. Just. Wow.

Just because someone tells you that something is wrong or right, does not mean that you should immediately take their word for it.

If you had racist parents who told you that being friends with someone outside your own race was bad, would you ever think of questioning their word?

Like I said, you may be the most book smart person in the world, but unless you come up with your own set of morals and values you will remain a person who is enslaved by the dogma of others.

 

[Optimator]

Just call them using a public phone. My God, you couldn't figure that out?

I also LOL at the pseudo-intellectual jive taking place in here. Word of advice: no one cares what YOU think.

 

[ZeusonRoids]

Just call them using a public phone. My God, you couldn't figure that out?

I also LOL at the pseudo-intellectual jive taking place in here. Word of advice: no one cares what YOU think.

I LOL that you even consider this pseudo-intellectual.

 

[Wylde]

I actually don't have a problem with legalizing marijuana, I am just here to put the law breakers and the ignorant in their places with facts, justice and patriotism.

And you are of course implying that every law is just, complete, and static.

Laws are constantly changed. Some laws are removed. Some laws have loopholes. Other laws are created with ill intent.

Laws are created by human beings and therefore are not perfect. If laws were perfect, why do we have the ability to change them?

Following with blind obedience =/= justice and/or patriotism

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Just because someone tells you that something is wrong or right, does not mean that you should immediately take their word for it.

If you had racist parents who told you that being friends with someone outside your own race was bad, would you ever think of questioning their word?

Like I said, you may be the most book smart person in the world, but unless you come up with your own set of morals and values you will remain a person who is enslaved by the dogma of others.

So why should we have laws? If every person is free to determine for themselves what's right and what's wrong, what's the point of laws?

Some of you are truly sipping the Kook-aid.

 

[ZeusonRoids]

So why should we have laws? If every person is free to determine for themselves what's right and what's wrong, what's the point of laws?

Some of you are truly sipping the Kook-aid.

Not all laws are "universal laws". I agree that we should have a very limited number of laws...actually I think the golden rule and people following the categorical imperative would take care of everything.

 

[Optimator]

I LOL that you even consider this pseudo-intellectual.

I should have put 'pseudo ' in CAPS.

 

[ZeusonRoids]

So why should we have laws? If every person is free to determine for themselves what's right and what's wrong, what's the point of laws?

Some of you are truly sipping the Kook-aid.

BTW you sound like my UBER evangelical, republican, can't-think-for-herself, pops out a kid every year and refuses to work cuz that is the mans job aunt....whom I totally despise.

 

[Optimator]

BTW you sound like my UBER evangelical, republican, can't-think-for-herself, pops out a kid every year and refuses to work cuz that is the mans job aunt....whom I totally despise.

****, now I'm about to engage in this nonsense...

Laws are indeed laws. Society doesn't let you pick and choose. Nor should they.

Whether the law is good or bad isn't relevant. Think I'm wrong? Try breaking one. If you get caught, see what happens.

BTW, the court won't be interested in your enlightened philosophy, no matter how profound.

 

[DeadliestSnatch]

So why should we have laws? If every person is free to determine for themselves what's right and what's wrong, what's the point of laws?

Some of you are truly sipping the Kook-aid.

No one's saying we shouldn't have laws.

I think we can all pretty much agree that we're all guaranteed to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and all that jazz. This DOESN'T mean we're allowed to do whatever the f!ck we want, but it DOES mean that we're allowed to do whatever we want provided it doesn't harm anyone else.

So, how exactly is it acceptable to legislate what substances someone puts into his/her own body? It's not. We don't tell people they can't eat fatty foods, smoke, or drink. It would be absolutely unacceptable; if adults choose to engage in these activities, they are assuming the personal risk that comes along with them. We can create laws that prevent them from harming others while doing so...secondhand smoke isn't okay, and neither is drunk driving. Doing drugs? I don't believe that's any of the government's business.

Anti-drug laws are ridiculous and I would never vote for a politician who supports them. If my colleagues, friends or neighbors choose to smoke weed, it's none of my business unless they're harming me or others. It's usually pretty easy to get people to agree to the "live and let live" argument, but for some reason, when it comes to drugs, people flip their ****. As if legalizing cocaine is suddenly going to make it more attractive to people. I don't not do cocaine because it's illegal...I don't do it because it could kill me, duh. If the dude the next door wants to take that risk, why is it any of my business? It doesn't affect me. If he gets violent when he's high and tries to cook his children, then sure, that's a problem, but our #1 priority when drafting legislation should be guaranteeing actual liberty, not preventing potential harm.

And even if you don't buy the ideological/political arguments, the economic ones are solid. We waste billions of dollars a year fighting drugs when people ARE GOING TO DO THEM ANYWAY. There will always be a demand for drugs, so we might as well take advantage of it and let them be bought and sold on the market just like anything else.

 

[Optimator]

No one's saying we shouldn't have laws.

I think we can all pretty much agree that we're all guaranteed to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and all that jazz. This DOESN'T mean we're allowed to do whatever the f!ck we want, but it DOES mean that we're allowed to do whatever we want provided it doesn't harm anyone else.

No it doesn't.

 

[Forthegood]

At least the times is a real news source, the Huffington Post however is a joke in real media circles. After reading the article I found nothing of a loophole and nothing about marijuana of any kind being legal.

The feds are not in the business of prosecuting minor infractions that the states are better able to handle. Under what circumstance would such infractions in end up in federal court?

Sure, a district prosecutor might get their hands on it, but in states where it has been legalized (regardless of federal law), this has not and will not happen. Judges are likewise not in the business of making law. Until such a judgement has reached the supreme court (and it will not), you're home free in places like Cali, if you fit the requirements.

I don't know where people get this idea that Big Brother is watching their every move and that we should fear the government. Smoke your dope, or don't. But don't let fear keep you from doing what you want.

My choice is what I choose to do,
And if I'm causing no harm, it shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you choose to be,
And if you're causin' no harm, then you're alright with me.
-Ben Harper

 

[NotAndrew]

And you are of course implying that every law is just, complete, and static.

Laws are constantly changed. Some laws are removed. Some laws have loopholes. Other laws are created with ill intent.

Laws are created by human beings and therefore are not perfect. If laws were perfect, why do we have the ability to change them?

Following with blind obedience =/= justice and/or patriotism

Never said it was. I said something about people breaking the law and being ignorant and then I said facts, justice and patriotism. Facts being laws and court rulings and justice and patriotism being the constitution, justice, patriotism, James Madison, etc......

And my rational for why people should not smoke pot is also not blind obedience, it is a simple benefit/reward to cost/risk.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

BTW you sound like my UBER evangelical, republican, can't-think-for-herself, pops out a kid every year and refuses to work cuz that is the mans job aunt....whom I totally despise.

Then you should look up the definition of Republican because they're the ones who believe the fewer laws, the better. And then after that, look up Democrats, who are also against legalization of marijuana for recreational use. And then after that, quit making assumptions that make you look like a fool.

Oh, and I'm sure your aunt is totally broken up about the fact that you despise her. I like how you added that, as if I'm supposed to care what you think? LOL