how to deal with envy and bitterness?

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35 is nothing exceptional? PLEASE tell that to most pre-meds, and they will beg and cry for your score.

A VERY small amount of people who take the MCAT get that score or higher. Please repeat that statement 10 times every day.

No offense dude, but you are just grasping for excuses to make you feel bad. Who the heck ever told you a 35 was bad? A friend? A competitive pre med? That person's opinion is a pile of dog poo poo rubbed in Miley Cyrus's booty.

The other "grasping" faults...a minor IA, really? International sponsors....I don't know anyone in my class who has those 😕

Unless the only schools you ever want to go to are the top 10, why are you freaking out? If you only care about the super elite, top 10 schools, maybe someone needs to slap you and bring you back to normal people land. There are plenty of options to apply to for a MD school. Oh, and don't let other people's happiness affect yours. Srsly.

i know people with that score who didn't get in
 
35 is nothing exceptional? PLEASE tell that to most pre-meds, and they will beg and cry for your score.

A VERY small amount of people who take the MCAT get that score or higher. Please repeat that statement 10 times every day.

No offense dude, but you are just grasping for excuses to make you feel bad. Who the heck ever told you a 35 was bad? A friend? A competitive pre med? That person's opinion is a pile of dog poo poo rubbed in Miley Cyrus's booty.

The other "grasping" faults...a minor IA, really? International sponsors....I don't know anyone in my class who has those 😕

Unless the only schools you ever want to go to are the top 10, why are you freaking out? If you only care about the super elite, top 10 schools, maybe someone needs to slap you and bring you back to normal people land. There are plenty of options to apply to for a MD school. Oh, and don't let other people's happiness affect yours. Srsly.

i have no intention to even apply to top 20 schools, not even UCLA/UCSF. my ultimate goal is to attend an American medical school, doesn't even have to be MD, though I prefer MD at this point. i just want to be a physician in a somewhat competitive specialty, like general surgery or emergency medicine, etc.
 
I don't understand why anyone would tell you to retake it: when did 33 become a bad score?

i wont retake my 35.

i know that 33 is an excellent score, given my GPA and geographical location + gender, i can't settle for a mainstream excellent score.
 
I have similar stats, and wow...I have never been as negative as you about my prospects. My GPA is a little lower and my MCAT is the same, but I have no doubt I'll get into an allopathic school. I'm 27. Some of my friends from undergrad are mid-residency! Things don't always happen the way we expect or want them to.

You talk a LOT about having a prosperous career. You would even sacrifice having a family in order to maximize your riches? WTF?? You will get into med school with your numbers, and you will be a doctor if you develop a more positive attitude. Once you're a doctor, trust me, you will be able to afford a family. But it sounds like your main motivations are $ and prestige. In that case, it's no wonder your mansion-bound friends are getting you down.

Find inside yourself (again?) a motivation to help people, which you hinted at in one of your posts. Read some books about/by doctors who really care. Forget the a**holes who only care about $, and don't be one yourself or your life is always gonna suck in comparison to someone else's. This whole slog will only be tolerable (and your career will only be fulfilling) if your goals are bigger than yourself.
 
I have similar stats, and wow...I have never been as negative as you about my prospects. My GPA is a little lower and my MCAT is the same, but I have no doubt I'll get into an allopathic school. I'm 27. Some of my friends from undergrad are mid-residency! Things don't always happen the way we expect or want them to.

You talk a LOT about having a prosperous career. You would even sacrifice having a family in order to maximize your riches? WTF?? You will get into med school with your numbers, and you will be a doctor if you develop a more positive attitude. Once you're a doctor, trust me, you will be able to afford a family. But it sounds like your main motivations are $ and prestige. In that case, it's no wonder your mansion-bound friends are getting you down.

Find inside yourself (again?) a motivation to help people, which you hinted at in one of your posts. Read some books about/by doctors who really care. Forget the a**holes who only care about $, and don't be one yourself or your life is always gonna suck in comparison to someone else's. This whole slog will only be tolerable (and your career will only be fulfilling) if your goals are bigger than yourself.

This is great advice.

If you search for happiness by comparing yourself to others, you will always be disappointed because someone will always have something that you don't have. You are obviously bright and hardworking, and you're on the road to a great career. You should be celebrating how far you've come and how well you've done! The only person dragging you down is you.

As for comparing yourself to people who are a year ahead of you, that's so silly! That's like a high school freshman whining about not being elected queen of the senior prom. You'll have your day in the sun. Chill.
 
I have similar stats, and wow...I have never been as negative as you about my prospects. My GPA is a little lower and my MCAT is the same, but I have no doubt I'll get into an allopathic school. I'm 27. Some of my friends from undergrad are mid-residency! Things don't always happen the way we expect or want them to.

You talk a LOT about having a prosperous career. You would even sacrifice having a family in order to maximize your riches? WTF?? You will get into med school with your numbers, and you will be a doctor if you develop a more positive attitude. Once you're a doctor, trust me, you will be able to afford a family. But it sounds like your main motivations are $ and prestige. In that case, it's no wonder your mansion-bound friends are getting you down.

Find inside yourself (again?) a motivation to help people, which you hinted at in one of your posts. Read some books about/by doctors who really care. Forget the a**holes who only care about $, and don't be one yourself or your life is always gonna suck in comparison to someone else's. This whole slog will only be tolerable (and your career will only be fulfilling) if your goals are bigger than yourself.

thanks for your constructive criticisms.

i just want to clarify that money/material wealth is not the primary reason that I am pursuing medicine. it is one of the reasons, i'll admit, but it is by no means the only or even major reason.

i guess the frustration i feel is that my peers all seemed to have such an easy time getting in. they partied throughout undergrad, traveled the world, and only applied to fewer than 10 schools. they are strong applicants, to be fair, but not much stronger than what i have to offer. but i'll have to apply to close to 100 schools to have an equivalent chance of my peer applying to only 10 schools.
 
thanks for your constructive criticisms.

i just want to clarify that money/material wealth is not the primary reason that I am pursuing medicine. it is one of the reasons, i'll admit, but it is by no means the only or even major reason.

i guess the frustration i feel is that my peers all seemed to have such an easy time getting in. they partied throughout undergrad, traveled the world, and only applied to fewer than 10 schools. they are strong applicants, to be fair, but not much stronger than what i have to offer. but i'll have to apply to close to 100 schools to have an equivalent chance of my peer applying to only 10 schools.

This is completely ridiculous. Seriously.

I really, really hope you take some of the good advice in this thread (and elsewhere on this forum) and save yourself thousands of dollars and a year of anxiety.

If you can't accept what people here are telling you (to recap: you're a fantastic applicant with nothing to worry about), is there someone else you could talk to about your anxiety? Not your parents or other pre-meds, but a trusted professor or a counselor?
 
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Give up and apply Caribbean.

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OP, you seriously need to relax. You met your MCAT goal. The score may not be perfect, but it is time to stop worrying. You did your best and you were successful with your short term goals.

Now it is time to figure out how you are going to have an "exceptional" gap year. One step at a time is key.

If you are looking for "criticism" this is a really bad place--and sub forum to get it from. Plus, all advice is anonymous.

Do you have any non-premed friends, mentors, or advisors who you could spend time with to get a real perspective on your ongoing issues?

This is literally the worst place to get constructive advice from, and only will fuel your stress. I suggest you spend your time with people, in person, who are supportive of your endeavors.
 
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In all seriousness, please don't apply... you'll never make it through, god willing. There are going to be thousands of peers in medical school who will be better than you in anyway you can even imagine. TENS of THOUSANDS. You are the reason attendings need to bloody the nose of all third-years because you can't stop thinking of anything but yourself.
You'd make a good sign-twirler... you know the guys that stand on the corner trying to get everyone to look at them,
My words are given in respect & only to spare you what pain surely lies ahead...

save your advice for my peers who are already in med school. i've tried being the antithesis of the stereotypical hated premed throughout my entire college career, but at the end, i was the only one who didn't get in. it is easy to preach when you are already in the victory club.

i fully understand how painful med school/residency can be, but the pain of not getting in will be astronomically greater. and i have no intentions of ever experiencing that pain
 
save your advice for my peers who are already in med school. i've tried being the antithesis of the stereotypical hated premed throughout my entire college career, but at the end, i was the only one who didn't get in. it is easy to preach when you are already in the victory club.

You applied?
 
I really do not know how to help you.

From what I can tell, this is a situation you have put yourself in (whether you chose it or not) where you really cannot be happy. Even if you do get to matriculate into an MD program, which I fully expect you will, I am concerned you will find something else to be unhappy about and dwell on.

I just completed chemo on Friday for autoimmune disease, as a form of immunosuppression. I am still enrolled in 7 hours worth of courses online. I also have not received credit for college in two years due to this disease.

Medical school is a stretch and a long journey ahead, if this is even possible for me. I do not choose to dwell on these things. For me, things are one day at a time, and one step at a time. I am at an uphill battle of years worth of work and education--and the odds are against me, just for a chance at medical school. That is for certain.

The odds are in your favor. I really don't know what else to say. I have a hard time sympathizing with you at this point of time--and this has nothing due to my circumstance. I want you to succeed, but without changing your viewpoint you are putting yourself in a very difficult, and most importantly an unhappy situation.

Perhaps counseling would be beneficial or at least reading some self help books such as Learned Optimism. That would be a better use of your time than spending time posting a generally unproductive--and sad thread, for you--on a forum SDN where you will be flamed at and called a troll.
 
I really do not know how to help you.

From what I can tell, this is a situation you have put yourself in (whether you chose it or not) where you really cannot be happy. Even if you do get to matriculate into an MD program, which I fully expect you will, I am concerned you will find something else to be unhappy about and dwell on.

I just completed chemo on Friday for autoimmune disease, as a form of immunosuppression. I am still enrolled in 7 hours worth of courses online. I also have not received credit for college in two years due to this disease.

Medical school is a stretch and a long journey ahead, if this is even possible for me. I do not choose to dwell on these things. For me, things are one day at a time, and one step at a time. I an uphill battle of years worth of work and education--and the odds are against me. That is for certain.

The odds are in your favor. I really don't know what to say. I have a hard time sympathizing with you at this point of time--and this has nothing due to my circumstance. I want you to succeed but without changing your viewpoint you are putting yourself in a very difficult, and most importantly an unhappy situation.

Perhaps counseling would be beneficial or at least reading some self help books such as Learned Optimism. That would be a better use of your time than spending time posting a generally unproductive--and sad thread, for you--on a forum SDN where you will be flamed at and called a troll.

Best of luck to you. 🙂 👍
 
save your advice for my peers who are already in med school. i've tried being the antithesis of the stereotypical hated premed throughout my entire college career, but at the end, i was the only one who didn't get in. it is easy to preach when you are already in the victory club.

i fully understand how painful med school/residency can be, but the pain of not getting in will be astronomically greater. and i have no intentions of ever experiencing that pain

So apply, get in, move on with your life, and deal with it. /thread
 
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No, this advice is meant for you. I think you would be taking the spot of someone who could really contribute. The victory club isn't going to knock on your door. I predict you'll self-destruct during the interviews anyway - double diaper before you head in. STEP 1 will destroy you if you have this much anxiety over MCAT, and STEP isn't even the most challenging part... not if you want a competitive residency.

so you dont think i deserve to be a doctor? that's fine by me. you have absolutely no control over my life, so just concentrate on your own residency and stop wasting time giving advice to someone who's worthless in your mighty eyes. and yes, i have a lot on my plate right now in terms of final preparations for my application, but i am far from self-destruction.

and btw, i have a distant family friend who was a dermatology resident at a top 20 medical school. he matched into that program from a foreign medical school, routinely worked over 100 hours a week, and committed suicide three months before the completion of his program. to be honest, he was an extremely mean-spirited, arrogant individual who gave me similar "advice" to the ones you gave me. except instead of predicting my inevitable self-destruction, he said that i would never break a 30 on the MCAT (I ended up with a 35). little did he know that he was the one who self-destructed...sad story.

i know what i say/think means nothing to a rising physician such as yourself, but i can assure you that i will become a physician. my peers have predicted my destruction, suicide, and death for 4+ years, but somehow, i am still alive and breathing. you think i can let you guys win?
 
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So apply, get in, move on with your life, and deal with it. /thread

oh i will apply and get in. but there's still close to a year before my time, and i dont want to apply this cycle and "self-destruct".

i have a lot of free time now that the MCAT is out of the way, so i need to find something to keep me busy. i am probably going to do a one-year service program like americorp vista or something similar. it will take my mind off unpleasant things such as the kind advice/prediction that i will self-destruct.
 
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oh i will apply and get in. but there's still close to a year before my time, and i dont want to apply this cycle and "self-destruct".

Are you saying this based on the responses of random people on the internet, or because you feel this year you will do something to improve you app(improve GPA for ex.)?
 
it is beyond me why do you keep referring to these people as your peers. they are successful applicants with great activities, gpas and mcat scores who have been admitted to top schools. what do you have to show that makes you a peer of them?
 
it is beyond me why do you keep referring to these people as your peers. they are successful applicants with great activities, gpas and mcat scores who have been admitted to top schools. what do you have to show that makes you a peer of them?

they were also arrogrant, elitist, close-minded, etc....

and i never knew having your parents donate 20,000 for you to start a club is a "great activity"

and you dont have to sugar coat your insult. if you feel that my 3.6/3.3 and 35 along with

3+ years of clinical volunteering
1 year of shadowing
3 years of research
2+ years of community service
2 years of tutoring
extensive work experience/publication

isn't enough to show you that i am a worthy peer, then that's your opinion.

my GPAs are relatively weak, and a 35 isn't terribly high.

so i agree with your assessment that i am not top-tier material, but please do not praise people you do not know. i know my peers better than you do, and based on my 4 years of interactions with them, i know what kind of people they are.

next time you are trying to insult me, just say something direct like "you'll self-destruct", "bring some diapers in case you **** yourself", etc.
 
so you dont think i deserve to be a doctor? that's fine by me. you have absolutely no control over my life, so just concentrate on your own residency and stop wasting time giving advice to someone who's worthless in your mighty eyes. and yes, i have a lot on my plate right now in terms of final preparations for my application, but i am far from self-destruction.

and btw, i have a distant family friend who was a dermatology resident at a top 20 medical school. he matched into that program from a foreign medical school, routinely worked over 100 hours a week, and committed suicide three months before the completion of his program. to be honest, he was an extremely mean-spirited, arrogant individual who gave me similar "advice" to the ones you gave me. except instead of predicting my inevitable self-destruction, he said that i would never break a 30 on the MCAT (I ended up with a 35). little did he know that he was the one who self-destructed...sad story.

i know what i say/think means nothing to a rising physician such as yourself, but i can assure you that i will become a physician. my peers have predicted my destruction, suicide, and death for 4+ years, but somehow, i am still alive and breathing. you think i can let you guys win?

You degrade yourself. People say your stats are more than fine for MD schools. You continue to degrade yourself. People say, "You know what? Maybe you don't deserve if you're going to beat yourself up that much. It doesn't get any easier." You immediately go into defense mode and beat your chest while using hyperbolic words like 'war' and 'destruction' and 'death.'

If not for your 1000+ posts, it would reaaaaally seems trollish at this point.
 
they were also arrogrant, elitist, close-minded, etc....

and i never knew having your parents donate 20,000 for you to start a club is a "great activity"

and you dont have to sugar coat your insult. if you feel that my 3.6/3.3 and 35 along with

3+ years of clinical volunteering
1 year of shadowing
3 years of research
2+ years of community service
2 years of tutoring
extensive work experience/publication

isn't enough to show you that i am a worthy peer, then that's your opinion.

my GPAs are relatively weak, and a 35 isn't terribly high.

so i agree with your assessment that i am not top-tier material, but please do not praise people you do not know. i know my peers better than you do, and based on my 4 years of interactions with them, i know what kind of people they are.

next time you are trying to insult me, just say something direct like "you'll self-destruct", "bring some diapers in case you **** yourself", etc.

if that is the case, i would suggest some writing courses. all your posts give the appearance of you being unhappy about your achievements and really impressed by what your classmates have done.

don't get discouraged, if you make an effort, you can get there. people get in med school even after they turn 25, it's not over yet.
 
OP, this is literally the worst sub-forum to get advice from.

Anyone on SDN is better off using the site as a resource for collecting information, rather than posting.

I wish you the best of luck. You will get in somewhere, but in the meantime, you need to find a proper outlet to deal with envy and bitterness. SDN clearly is not the place.

Perhaps counseling is your best option, but may not be as acceptable in your culture. If not, online cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) may be beneficial. This is a free, confidential, course from Australia that may be of use. https://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome

By the way, you do not deserve to be treated horribly by these people. But, SDN can be a slippery slope for people who have been through difficult circumstances. Compassion is forgotten here.
 
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I wouldn't say SDN is the worst place to get advice. Sure there are trolls and stuff in all internet forums, but this place has tons of people who are helpful and knowledgeable, which can be a great resource for advice/tips.

I do agree that OP could use some counseling, something that an internet forum cannot provide.
 
I wouldn't say SDN is the worst place to get advice. Sure there are trolls and stuff in all internet forums, but this place has tons of people who are helpful and knowledgeable, which can be a great resource for advice/tips.

I do agree that OP could use some counseling, something that an internet forum cannot provide.

Excuse me, I meant sub-forum.

Thank you.
 
Do not even think about conjuring the thought as idle hands are indeed the devil's playthings.

Perhaps counseling is your best option, but may not be as acceptable in your culture. If not, online cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) may be beneficial. This is a free, confidential, course from Australia that may be of use. https://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome

By the way, you do not deserve to be treated horribly by these people. But, SDN can be a slippery slope for people who have been through difficult circumstances. Compassion is forgotten here.

I wouldn't say SDN is the worst place to get advice. Sure there are trolls and stuff in all internet forums, but this place has tons of people who are helpful and knowledgeable, which can be a great resource for advice/tips.

I do agree that OP could use some counseling, something that an internet forum cannot provide.
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haha that's a good one. but i am a very nice/kind person, even thought that sounds kind of awkward.
C'mon here?😕😕😕
 
speaking of MD, i just saw a picture of my peers celebrating med school at a restaurant, so happy, the lot of them.

my undergrad doesnt have an associated med school, but all of them got into top tier MD institutes.

i couldn't even sleep after seeing that picture.

... seriously?
 
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so you dont think i deserve to be a doctor? that's fine by me. you have absolutely no control over my life, so just concentrate on your own residency and stop wasting time giving advice to someone who's worthless in your mighty eyes. and yes, i have a lot on my plate right now in terms of final preparations for my application, but i am far from self-destruction.

and btw, i have a distant family friend who was a dermatology resident at a top 20 medical school. he matched into that program from a foreign medical school, routinely worked over 100 hours a week, and committed suicide three months before the completion of his program. to be honest, he was an extremely mean-spirited, arrogant individual who gave me similar "advice" to the ones you gave me. except instead of predicting my inevitable self-destruction, he said that i would never break a 30 on the MCAT (I ended up with a 35). little did he know that he was the one who self-destructed...sad story.

i know what i say/think means nothing to a rising physician such as yourself, but i can assure you that i will become a physician. my peers have predicted my destruction, suicide, and death for 4+ years, but somehow, i am still alive and breathing. you think i can let you guys win?

You're a scary, weird f*cking dude.
 
i know what i say/think means nothing to a rising physician such as yourself, but i can assure you that i will become a physician. my peers have predicted my destruction, suicide, and death for 4+ years, but somehow, i am still alive and breathing. you think i can let you guys win?

****...I thought I had issues.
 
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i know what i say/think means nothing to a rising physician such as yourself, but i can assure you that i will become a physician. my peers have predicted my destruction, suicide, and death for 4+ years, but somehow, i am still alive and breathing. you think i can let you guys win?
Wtf dude? Are you in a member of a cult or something?
 
so you dont think i deserve to be a doctor? that's fine by me. you have absolutely no control over my life, so just concentrate on your own residency and stop wasting time giving advice to someone who's worthless in your mighty eyes. and yes, i have a lot on my plate right now in terms of final preparations for my application, but i am far from self-destruction.

and btw, i have a distant family friend who was a dermatology resident at a top 20 medical school. he matched into that program from a foreign medical school, routinely worked over 100 hours a week, and committed suicide three months before the completion of his program. to be honest, he was an extremely mean-spirited, arrogant individual who gave me similar "advice" to the ones you gave me. except instead of predicting my inevitable self-destruction, he said that i would never break a 30 on the MCAT (I ended up with a 35). little did he know that he was the one who self-destructed...sad story.

i know what i say/think means nothing to a rising physician such as yourself, but i can assure you that i will become a physician. my peers have predicted my destruction, suicide, and death for 4+ years, but somehow, i am still alive and breathing. you think i can let you guys win?

Dude.... you need to consult a psychiatrist/clinical psychologist. There's clearly something wrong with you and SDN isn't a proper place. Please get some psychological help. I'm being very serious here.
 
You degrade yourself. People say your stats are more than fine for MD schools. You continue to degrade yourself. People say, "You know what? Maybe you don't deserve if you're going to beat yourself up that much. It doesn't get any easier." You immediately go into defense mode and beat your chest while using hyperbolic words like 'war' and 'destruction' and 'death.'

If not for your 1000+ posts, it would reaaaaally seems trollish at this point.

So I was being quiet here, hoping that OP had matured, but I was completely wrong. I think OP's psychological issue has relapsed.
 
OP, this is literally the worst sub-forum to get advice from.

Anyone on SDN is better off using the site as a resource for collecting information, rather than posting.

I wish you the best of luck. You will get in somewhere, but in the meantime, you need to find a proper outlet to deal with envy and bitterness. SDN clearly is not the place.

Perhaps counseling is your best option, but may not be as acceptable in your culture. If not, online cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) may be beneficial. This is a free, confidential, course from Australia that may be of use. https://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome

By the way, you do not deserve to be treated horribly by these people. But, SDN can be a slippery slope for people who have been through difficult circumstances. Compassion is forgotten here.

thanks.
 
so you dont think i deserve to be a doctor? that's fine by me. you have absolutely no control over my life, so just concentrate on your own residency and stop wasting time giving advice to someone who's worthless in your mighty eyes. and yes, i have a lot on my plate right now in terms of final preparations for my application, but i am far from self-destruction.

and btw, i have a distant family friend who was a dermatology resident at a top 20 medical school. he matched into that program from a foreign medical school, routinely worked over 100 hours a week, and committed suicide three months before the completion of his program. to be honest, he was an extremely mean-spirited, arrogant individual who gave me similar "advice" to the ones you gave me. except instead of predicting my inevitable self-destruction, he said that i would never break a 30 on the MCAT (I ended up with a 35). little did he know that he was the one who self-destructed...sad story.

i know what i say/think means nothing to a rising physician such as yourself, but i can assure you that i will become a physician. my peers have predicted my destruction, suicide, and death for 4+ years, but somehow, i am still alive and breathing. you think i can let you guys win?

dude.. you aren't proving anything to anyone by getting into med school and ultimately becoming a physician. People aren't out there to get you and not everything is about you and the world doesn't revolve around your accomplishments/failures. If you really think this way, you seriously need to seek some help.
 
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