How was Hegseth’s speech received on the AD side?

[armytrainingsir]

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My squared away NG and reserve buddies, retired and veteran friends were all pretty much in 100% agreement of what he outlined.

Overall, I am happy there is a planned pivot away from a jobs/social program to a lethal warrior mentality.

Join the military.
Travel to far away, exotic places,
Meet interesting people.
Kill them.
😉

 

[DrMetal]

He really didn't say anything wrong. It's true.Many of us are out of shape and undisciplined. We've let ourselves go too long, both physically and mentally.

Now it's a question of enforcement. Are we really going to enforce this? Are we really gonna separate people If they fail to comply?

 

[militaryPHYS]

Ultimately we have to execute the orders passed down to us so I expect there to be some shifting back to a more Marine Corps approach to the military at large. My prior devil dog self sees this as essential given our likely future wars that we will face.

 

[DrMetal]

Ultimately we have to execute the orders passed down to us so I expect there to be some shifting back to a more Marine Corps approach to the military at large. My prior devil dog self sees this as essential given our likely future wars that we will face.

Future wars? with who, China? Not happening. We have no stomach for a peer to peer conflict. China can invade Taiwan tomorrow and set the island on fire. We'll do nothing but sanctions and rhetoric. POTUS knows this.

I'm all for such a shift, philosophically. We're essentially going back to pre-COVID years.

But policy has never been our problem . . . enforcement is.

In my 24 years in the Navy, I have never seen someone disciplined (much less admin separated) for PFB or no-shave violations.

I've seen 2 cases of admin sep (or force retire) for BCA/PRT failures, and this was done during a time (circa 2015) when this was allowed, and I had a XO on the warpath.

I'll believe it all when I see it enforced.

 

[Mace1370]

I PCS'd back to Walter Reed a few years ago and was pretty stunned to see the difference from when I was there as a resident. Nearly every active duty enlisted had a beard. Many were overweight. I'll keep my political opinions to myself, but I think a slight shift towards "more discipline" and "stricter standards" for active duty is reasonable.

 

[Apollyon]

Ultimately we have to execute the orders passed down to us so I expect there to be some shifting back to a more Marine Corps approach to the military at large. My prior devil dog self sees this as essential given our likely future wars that we will face.

Dude, I did not know you were prior USMC. Putting it all together, you've had a charmed life in the military! There is a guy that was a year ahead of me in military college that did 7 years as a SEAL - 4 enlisted and 3 commissioned. Now he, too, is an orthopod - but civilian now. His son is an enlisted Marine with the same skills and drive as him.

Bravo Zulu, man!!

 

[militaryPHYS]

Future wars? with who, China? Not happening. We have no stomach for a peer to peer conflict. China can invade Taiwan tomorrow and set the island on fire. We'll do nothing but sanctions and rhetoric. POTUS knows this.

I'm all for such a shift, philosophically. We're essentially going back to pre-COVID years.

But policy has never been our problem . . . enforcement is.

In my 24 years in the Navy, I have never seen someone disciplined (much less admin separated) for PFB or no-shave violations.

I've seen 2 cases of admin sep (or force retire) for BCA/PRT failures, and this was done during a time (circa 2015) when this was allowed, and I had a XO on the warpath.

I'll believe it all when I see it enforced.

Maybe because you’re talking about the Navy…and the medical corps. SecWar doesn’t care about us as long as we are ready to deliver wartime medicine (whole other issue). He’s talking about the lethal side of the military. No excuses, be ready to fight and kill and don’t let any BS get in the way of it.

 

[Apollyon]

Maybe because you’re talking about the Navy…and the medical corps. SecWar doesn’t care about us as long as we are ready to deliver wartime medicine (whole other issue). He’s talking about the lethal side of the military. No excuses, be ready to fight and kill and don’t let any BS get in the way of it.

Attending I had in residency was Army Reserve. He told us, "Staff pukes exist to keep the war machine rolling. Period."

 

[pawprint]

Enforcing the no beards in the military even if you have PFB is straight up a racist mindset.

Approximately 60% of black men suffer from PFB. Are we really willing to say that we would rather exclude 60% of black men on the sole basis that they have a skin condition that’s a product of their race? Or force them to get laser hair removal if they want to serve their country?

Totally understand needing to shave if it impedes the ability to wear a seal on an oxygen mask. But we have proven that that actually isn’t the case for most of our oxygen/gas masks that we use in the military. You can even look at other countries and they don’t do this because it’s not a safety issue.

Are there white people who have no-shave chits that don’t need them? I’m sure there are. But a policy like this doesn’t just punish them, it ends up excluding a chunk of people solely based on a condition that’s a product of their race.

The Navy only starting enforcing no beards in the 1980’s. This isn’t a “this is the way it’s always been” policy. It’s not a safety policy. It’s a racist policy, plain and simple.