HoWWrses: Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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I guess I don't see what you're pointing out then - we knew you were redirected. I also can tinfoil the mechanics of a redirector but I don't know so maybe some clarity on how that usually works will clear up what you're trying to point out


Based on what its seems,
Day 1 - it didn't prevent a tie
Day 2 - MJ was placed on capri with 1 other vote
Day 3 - Capri was placed on MSU sole vote
Day 4 - back to MJ and has him self voting

Ties are dumb and day 2 -3 provide no insight; I could tinfoil day 4 is a claim that MJ is a wolf for voting himself - but could also mean nothing there

Redirectors force one player to act on another player regardless of their original target.

I couldn't have used it Day 1. What are the issues with Day 2 and Day 3? Day 4 perplexes me.

 

[bryndiana.jones]

Ski- #366 said Kara was asking about thoughts but not posting her own. Seems to have generally found Kara sketchy. Nothing solid but would feel better about her if Kara flipped wolf.

And what about if Kara flips village? Who will you look at then? What do you think about the info on AM?

There's probably a more strategic way to go about this but I need to go to bed and don't have time for thinking about it, plus definitely won't have time for it tomorrow, so **** it.

I received an item (a bridle) that allowed me to direct the actions of a player. I used it on AM and directed her to ski. Ski is now dead.

As covfefe pointed out, there is that second party involved, but it doesn't sound like there was good intent there either. So. Either way.

lynch AM

To be clear, I wasnt inferring that she was the pocketer.

But I pretty much agree with the obtainable info for about 2/3 of this post. Also ski is now dead. So....

Lynch Kara... again... maybe this time it goes through? Sorry K&B

I think you're tunneling on KB at this point, and the fact that you are so unwilling to vote for AM makes you top of my list if she flips wolf.

Lol, wtf is this s***. @WildZoo you already forget about WWOrchestra?

This made me lol

this all feels like wolf AM

lynch AM

I was earlier in love with Mel,

How do you feel about his defense of AM?

See our pm for further clarification.

No, if you want out of this you have some explaining to do on thread mamacita

Guys listen. I was redirected, but my action still worked as normal.

That's nice, but I still have an issue with the write up saying Ski was attacked, and then another individual came to her stall with what seems to be malintent so if you want any chance of you living today you had best spell it out for us.

@bryndiana.jones can we get some updated reads please

I mentally cannot work out a way that AM had good intentions last night (I have one theory but I am uncertain about it given the write-up and the likelihood that it would even happen). If she flips wolf mel will be my next vote and wz shoots up to one of my top village peeps. If she flips village then stagg would likely be where I would vote given their little interactions.

Yeah she already told me the multiple hoops that have to be jumped through. I prefer Occam's Razor unless I'm given a really good reason to ignore it. There isn't much room for interpretation here. If you think two separate, non-AM people targeted ski last night while AM's action was allowed to go through normally despite me being told the redirection was successful, just because ski was nearby...then I guess that is your prerogative, but it makes no sense on multiple levels.

I have been trying to work out how this wouldn't incriminate AM, and I have one possible thought but I will not share it unless AM shares her story first.

Watch very closely.

What does this even mean?


lynch AM

Edit: Ninja'd by AM claiming vote steal

 

[cubsrule4e]

I think you're tunneling on KB at this point, and the fact that you are so unwilling to vote for AM makes you top of my list if she flips wolf.


I mentally cannot work out a way that AM had good intentions last night (I have one theory but I am uncertain about it given the write-up and the likelihood that it would even happen). If she flips wolf mel will be my next vote and wz shoots up to one of my top village peeps. If she flips village then stagg would likely be where I would vote given their little interactions.


lynch AM

Edit: Ninja'd by AM claiming vote steal

I agree that I may be a little bit tunneled in, but I am not unwilling to vote AM as stated above. As I said earlier and you point out here, an AM wolf flip implicates Mel and villages Kara more for me. AM village will put me back on Kara.

Unlynch Kara
Lynch AM

 

[bryndiana.jones]

I agree that I may be a little bit tunneled in, but I am not unwilling to vote AM as stated above. As I said earlier and you point out here, an AM wolf flip implicates Mel and villages Kara more for me. AM village will put me back on Kara.

Unlynch Kara
Lynch AM

That was straight up my bad, the later part was meant to be to mel

 

[WildZoo]

Unlynch AM

There's more going on here than I realized, behind the scenes grapevines are fun. I'm fairly certain at this point that AM is not a wolf based on what I know. Could be some bamboozling, I will admit, but it would be even more convoluted than my brain can wrap around right now.

 

[SportPonies]

Day 4 Thoroughbred Thursday Lynch Tally

AM (8) - coffeebean, mutts, meats, cray, SAR, Weim, bryndi, cubs
Kara (2) - cubs, mel
Mutts (1) - AM
Mel (1) - Kara
MJ (1) - MJ

14/22 voting

Lynch close at 9pm CST

 

[SportPonies]

Day 4 Thoroughbred Thursday Lynch Tally

AM (8) - coffeebean, mutts, meats, cray, SAR, Weim, bryndi, cubs
Kara (2) - cubs, mel
Mutts (1) - AM
Mel (1) - Kara
MJ () -
capri (1) - MJ

14/22 voting

Lynch close at 9pm CST

 

[WildZoo]

Lynch stagg

I really don't like how he reacted to AM's request that I lynch him once she flipped, on top of various things that have pinged my radar. So I'm just gonna do it early.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Lynch stagg

I really don't like how he reacted to AM's request that I lynch him once she flipped, on top of various things that have pinged my radar. So I'm just gonna do it early.

I'm going to stay on AM for today, but I'm okay with Stagg too as I'd like to see him lynched tomorrow.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Why is AM now making MJ vote Capri?

 

[WildZoo]

Why is AM now making MJ vote Capri?

Because I asked her to prove she could switch votes midday

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Because I asked her to prove she could switch votes midday

Do you have thoughts on what Mel meant by who it implicates? Also how Ski was targeted by an attack twice?

 

[WildZoo]

Do you have thoughts on what Mel meant by who it implicates? Also how Ski was targeted by an attack twice?

I see what he's thinking about the former but I think he's wrong. I have a better idea about the latter, it's not something I'm going to share with the class right now though.

 

[muttmanager]

Redirectors force one player to act on another player regardless of their original target.

I couldn't have used it Day 1. What are the issues with Day 2 and Day 3? Day 4 perplexes me.

Fair reasoning for day 1. My issues are around the reasoning - why are you choosing those people? You think I'm sketchy why not take my vote and use it where you like. As I said I don't understand the mechanics of it, stay vague - I'm not fishing.

I can see a scenario where you may not have been the one to kill ski last night but that doesn't mean you're not a wolf.

 

[genny]

Unlynch AM

There's more going on here than I realized, behind the scenes grapevines are fun. I'm fairly certain at this point that AM is not a wolf based on what I know. Could be some bamboozling, I will admit, but it would be even more convoluted than my brain can wrap around right now.

I wish you would share what you know with the rest of us. Given that AM has already outed an ability, I don’t see how sharing can put her in any more danger.

 

[genny]

2. Genny has made 31 posts this game, and only about 5 are actually relevant. Voted for Gwen without explanation. @genny , would like a reason for that vote when you get a chance.

Yeah, it seemed like a good idea at the time. And I disagree with your relevancy assessment. Everything I post is relevant.

 

[killerleaf]

##lynch msu##

mostly to see if they exist.

 

[genny]

###lynch stagg###

Lunch is over, will try to be back later but who knows.

 

[WildZoo]

I wish you would share what you know with the rest of us. Given that AM has already outed an ability, I don’t see how sharing can put her in any more danger.

I'm still thinking on it, I just don't think I can share anything more right now. I wouldn't have moved off of AM if I wasn't sure she is not a wolf though, and that's not just from talking to her.

 

[SportPonies]

Day 4 Thoroughbred Thursday Lynch Tally

AM (8) - coffeebean, mutts, meats, cray, SAR, Weim, bryndi, cubs
Kara (2) - cubs, mel
Mutts (1) - AM
Mel (1) - Kara
MJ () -
capri (1) - MJ
MSU (1) - killer
Stagg (2) - Dubz, genny

16/22 voting

Lynch close at 9pm CST

 

[capri1722]

edit: AM doesn't even seem to be suggesting someone else is implicated. This whole thing smells fishy and I think you guys are just trying to confuse us with this horse play.

liked for the pun (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

 

[Lawpy]

liked for the pun (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

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[capri1722]

I'm still good with an MSU vote.
### Lynch MSU ###
I would have lynched AM because of the Occam's Razor thing dubz mentioned earlier but now that she's revealed and proven it I don't think it's a good idea to lynch there. Idk what's going on. The only explanation I can think of is mod error or the bridle didn't work as stated.

Btw I'm leaving for work in about 30 minutes and I don't expect to be on until after lynch close

 

[MSUcvmHOPE]

##lynch msu##

mostly to see if they exist.

I exist. Barely on. Trying to try.

 

[SportPonies]

I exist. Barely on. Trying to try.

Is that you in your avatar? You(?) and that pony are GORGEOUS. <3

 

[muttmanager]

I'm still good with an MSU vote.
### Lynch MSU ###
I would have lynched AM because of the Occam's Razor thing dubz mentioned earlier but now that she's revealed and proven it I don't think it's a good idea to lynch there. Idk what's going on. The only explanation I can think of is mod error or the bridle didn't work as stated.

Btw I'm leaving for work in about 30 minutes and I don't expect to be on until after lynch close

The what? Is this from the write up?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I think I could bucket Lupin, AM, Snowy & maybe a couple others better with a Cray wolf flip - if shes village I’d probably move on to AM next

What does bucket mean?

 

[PippyPony]

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Is that you in your avatar? You(?) and that pony are GORGEOUS. <3

A wild blonde equestrienne appears!

Sporty: *swoons before she can throw pokeball*
~~~~~~~

 

[SportPonies]

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A wild blonde equestrienne appears!

Sporty: *swoons before she can throw pokeball*
~~~~~~~

....not.... wrong....

 

[PippyPony]

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....not.... wrong....

I'm never wrong.
~~~~~~~

 

[muttmanager]

What does bucket mean?

Leans

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

It looks like Ski was targeted twice. Two different parties. The vigilante is dead so this is either 3rd party or 2 factions??

Guessing 3rd party.

What's the point in me putting reminders in my notes if I forget to read them?? 🙄

@Melchizedek @Crayola227 @SnowshoeDog143 @SARdoghandler Current reads on AM?

@CoffeeQuestionMark How are you feeling about skim and cray these days?

I had been reading her village, but with your info later that changes things 😛

Lol, wtf is this s***. @WildZoo you already forget about WWOrchestra?

What happened in that game?

 

[WildZoo]

What happened in that game?

AM emotionally manipulated me at the end for the win for her and cheezit. He was the original wolf, she was his convert.

I don't really appreciate the way stagg brought it up in this context actually lol
Also think it's weird that he reacted like that if he expected her to flip wolf

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Lynch mutts

😵 Didn't you tell dubz to lynch stagg after you died?

also, has anyone else been blocked or anything or are we keeping that stuff to pm?

I had nothing happen to me last night

I think I was blocked last night. Didn't sound super villagey or wolfy.

Guys listen. I was redirected, but my action still worked as normal.

And thats supposed to make us feel better about you?? Something about this is fishy.

 

[muttmanager]

AM emotionally manipulated me at the end for the win for her and cheezit. He was the original wolf, she was his convert.

I don't really appreciate the way stagg brought it up in this context actually lol
Also think it's weird that he reacted like that if he expected her to flip wolf

You don't think her posts last night were trying to emotionally manipulate you?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Are you sure you're not just blinded by who that implicates instead of AM?

What do you diagnose a horse who refuses to sleep indoors?
Unstable!

Um does it implicate anyone?

I don't seem to be on the same page as SAR.

Here is where I'm confused

1) Why wouldn't a vote steal be redirected?
2) Vote stealing doesn't seem to be relevant to the issue at hand. Perhaps is saying she's not ninja
2.A) Issue with this is that if it is part of wolf pack, she could claim vote steal but still be ninja
2.B) Second issue is that there was a second attack attempt. Don't know if that means 2nd party or knowing there was a redirection if wolves really DID attack Ski but also a second wolf used another kill on someone else and was redirected to Ski (AM)
2.C) OR is a 2nd party but that is still nefarious as dubz said
3. It doesn't make sense that it implicates someone else

Maybe it was a faulty item? That's the only villager reason I can think that it wouldn't be redirected, but tell dubz that it was. In regards to the bolded - I had this thought too.

I was told I was redirected, but my action still worked. That's it.

So you have to submit a lynch vote at night? You can't change it during the day?

 

[WildZoo]

You don't think her posts last night were trying to emotionally manipulate you?

No I don't think so. Again that's part of why I don't like the way stagg reacted.

 

[WildZoo]

Um does it implicate anyone?



Maybe it was a faulty item? That's the only villager reason I can think that it wouldn't be redirected, but tell dubz that it was. In regards to the bolded - I had this thought too.



So you have to submit a lynch vote at night? You can't change it during the day?

She's already proven she can change it during the day

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Unlynch AM

There's more going on here than I realized, behind the scenes grapevines are fun. I'm fairly certain at this point that AM is not a wolf based on what I know. Could be some bamboozling, I will admit, but it would be even more convoluted than my brain can wrap around right now.

ahhh back to last game.. There is something sketch in the WZ/AM/mel group.

I see what he's thinking about the former but I think he's wrong. I have a better idea about the latter, it's not something I'm going to share with the class right now though.

I'll need better then that to not lynch AM.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

She's already proven she can change it during the day

yeah wasn't on that page yet when I asked.

 

[WildZoo]

ahhh back to last game.. There is something sketch in the WZ/AM/mel group.



I'll need better then that to not lynch AM.

What do you mean back to last game?

Unfortunately that's not up to me.

 

[WildZoo]

ahhh back to last game.. There is something sketch in the WZ/AM/mel group.



I'll need better then that to not lynch AM.

What do you mean back to last game?

Unfortunately that's not up to me and would require pulling in threads that it is way too early in the game to pull on. What I can tell you is that there were some other things that came to light that make it much more likely AM is not a wolf, not just from her but other sources as well. Even though I can't tell you the whole story, her ability has been proven and to me that is not an ability that a wolf would have without major restrictions. I don't know if that helps at all but I for one would like to lynch a wolf today.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

lynch AM

Something is sketch. A redirector item that said it worked for dubz, but didn't for AM. Two people trying to kill ski. And now AM's pm partners that she's sharing info with are the two people who are easiest for her to pocket. I don't know why she would have even submitted a night action, if she can change her vote throughout the day. I had in my notes the vote stealer was probably chaos, and that would make sense with the 2nd kill. And she probably could even have told mel and wz she was 3rd party and on their side and they would want to keep her around whatever their affiliation. It will give me good info to lynch her. And otherwise we are going to be wondering for the rest of the game whether we made the right choice to not lynch her... Giving me flashbacks to lion king where we kept sketchy lyra around for so long when she was a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

Weird, not sure what happened there lol

 

[WildZoo]

lynch AM

Something is sketch. A redirector item that said it worked for dubz, but didn't for AM. Two people trying to kill ski. And now AM's pm partners that she's sharing info with are the two people who are easiest for her to pocket. I don't know why she would have even submitted a night action, if she can change her vote throughout the day. I had in my notes the vote stealer was probably chaos, and that would make sense with the 2nd kill. And she probably could even have told mel and wz she was 3rd party and on their side and they would want to keep her around whatever their affiliation. It will give me good info to lynch her. And otherwise we are going to be wondering for the rest of the game whether we made the right choice to not lynch her... Giving me flashbacks to lion king where we kept sketchy lyra around for so long when she was a wolf.

...so you're chaos hunting? On day 4 when we haven't caught a single wolf?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

What do you mean back to last game?

Unfortunately that's not up to me and would require pulling in threads that it is way too early in the game to pull on. What I can tell you is that there were some other things that came to light that make it much more likely AM is not a wolf, not just from her but other sources as well. Even though I can't tell you the whole story, her ability has been proven and to me that is not an ability that a wolf would have without major restrictions. I don't know if that helps at all but I for one would like to lynch a wolf today.

Oh lol. In dead chat last game I kept going back to you, AM or mel as a wolf.

I think it's likely she's third party. And even though I love chaos.. they aren't helpful to village.

 

[WildZoo]

Or is it day 5? I can't even remember.

In any case, I'm a little concerned that you seem uninterested in looking for a wolf snowy. If you think AM is chaos, why is she your priority today?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

...so you're chaos hunting? On day 4 when we haven't caught a single wolf?

Look I see sketch surrounding her last night. I had a guess the vote stealer was chaos. It would make sense with what happened. I'm not hunting for chaos, it just makes sense to me. Either way, I think I'd be second guessing myself the rest of the game if I left her alive. And if she is villager, at least it will make me less suspicious of you and maybe mel.

 

[WildZoo]

Look I see sketch surrounding her last night. I had a guess the vote stealer was chaos. It would make sense with what happened. I'm not hunting for chaos, it just makes sense to me. Either way, I think I'd be second guessing myself the rest of the game if I left her alive. And if she is villager, at least it will make me less suspicious of you and maybe mel.

But do you think she's a wolf?

Why does leaving her alive today mean that she will be a question for the rest of the game?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Or is it day 5? I can't even remember.

In any case, I'm a little concerned that you seem uninterested in looking for a wolf snowy. If you think AM is chaos, why is she your priority today?

Excuse you. I have been looking for wolves this entire game!

There sounds like there is a third party that was trying to kill ski. There is a good chance one of the 3 people who where killed the other day was killed by a 3rd party. If she is chaos, she is killing villagers. So yes, I'm going to want to lynch that.