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I know that OIS usually starts over the summer before your first year of med school. When exactly does it start for Navy OIS? middle of July?
Pediatron47 said:BS.
A first year medical student reservist here at UCSD was recently deployed to Iraq.
DO2B802 said:Hi, i know you probably all have gone through this a million times but i'm still not understanding exacly what is the time commitment after med shcool graduation. I understand that there is an 8 year commitement not 4 years as i previously thought. My questions specifically are:
Does the military residency (assuming I match to one) count toward active service?
what exactly happens during the 4 year non-active reserves duty- do they only call you when they need you or do i have to work in a military hospital until my 8 years are over?
I woulld really appreciate any info, thanks. also, if any of you are going to NYCOM my screen name on AIM is ohai1282, please contact me.
blueSkies said:Performance Tickets from the USO: orchestral, theatrical, opera, ballet, etc. Here in Boston, we're constantly offerred Blue Man Group tickets, and annual tickets to the July 4th dress rehearsal (Boston Pops 1812 Overture on the Charles River Esplanade, last year had Mormon Tabernacle Choir, Liann Rimes (sp?), et al.).
-BlueSkies
wastoute said:join up after you finish school and residency and make the military come to your terms. You may find them falling all over themselves if you have no obligation, and if getting a slot you don't want means you walk you probably won't ever be offered anything you don't want.
militarymd said:Outstanding piece of advice!!!!
Sorry, I couldn't find it in my files.....it is really simple....just a memo.Navypsych said:Anyone out there (preferably Navy) on active duty have an example of what the contingent letter of resignation looks like. I have checked out the MILSPERMAN but was looking for a draft someone else used.
This is exactly what my plan is. Since med school seems like a far off place right now, I'm not overly concerned. However when the time comes that's my plan exactly. I would need to do 10 years to retire but the more docs I meet who get out with 14+ the less inclined I am to go back in.wastoute said:join up after you finish school and residency and make the military come to your terms. You may find them falling all over themselves if you have no obligation, and if getting a slot you don't want means you walk you probably won't ever be offered anything you don't want.
Homunculus said:(courtesy Texdrake)
FAQ by Lt. Ellenbecker
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7. Where will I do residencies/rotations? [/B]
http://www.mods.army.mil/MedicalEducation/
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DieselDoctor said:I'm having trouble getting that link to work - can someone doublecheck that for me? I'm currently in Canada, so would that be causing trouble trying to get to that website?
gobeavers said:Are there many DO's in these military medical programs? Also, is a DO at any disadvantage when applying to the more competitive military residencies? OK, one last question, is the USMLE required or is the COMLEX sufficient?
Thank you all very much~
turkish said:I've got a couple of questions...
When I graduate, will I be an 03 with 4 years of service, or an 03 with 0 years of service?
If I have to go overseas for a GMO tour, will my spouse be able to fly Space-A to visit?
Thanks!
turkish said:I've got a couple of questions...
When I graduate, will I be an 03 with 4 years of service, or an 03 with 0 years of service?
If I have to go overseas for a GMO tour, will my spouse be able to fly Space-A to visit?
Thanks!
trinityalumnus said:If, say, you had served 10 years enlisted before going to college/med school, you'd then be an 0-3 over 10 on the pay chart upon graduating med school. That can amount to several hundred dollars difference per month as compared to a new 0-3 under 2.
Mirror Form said:Actually, it makes a difference of over $1,600 per month. If you have prior service, even just a couple years, you get a lot more cash during residency.
trinityalumnus said:I'm having trouble getting to the bottom of this:
I know the four years in med school do not count towards the 20 needed for retirement. But if you serve 20 years active duty after med school, then retire, do you get the four years of med school added to your service credit, thus giving you retirement pay at 24 years rate versus 20 years?
Thanks.
delicatefade said:That's not what they told us at OBC. They said if we do the full 20 and had a 4 year scholarship, our medical school time counts, giving us 24 once we hit the 20 year mark.
delicatefade said:That's not what they told us at OBC. They said if we do the full 20 and had a 4 year scholarship, our medical school time counts, giving us 24 once we hit the 20 year mark.
trinityalumnus said:I'm having trouble getting to the bottom of this:
I know the four years in med school do not count towards the 20 needed for retirement. But if you serve 20 years active duty after med school, then retire, do you get the four years of med school added to your service credit, thus giving you retirement pay at 24 years rate versus 20 years?
Thanks.
Heeed! said:If the recruiter is telling you this, he/she is LYING! You only get credit for the four years of med school if you go to USUHS. So, once and for all, let's put that rumor out of our misery. Tell your recruiter to lay off the Kool Aid.
orbitsurgMD said:There are two entirely different kinds of retirement you need to be aware of when it comes to talking about which service counts for what: active-duty retirement and reserve retirement.
turkish said:When do you start making MASP? After residency?
Dave09 said:I understand you have to be a US citizen or a green card holder to apply for this stipend? Studying in the US with some visa won't do?
I'm about two months away from taking the MCAT and applyin to USUHS (top choice) as well as a few others with expectation of an Army HPSP. Possible drawbacks of attending USUHS aside, the active duty pay one receives while attending USUHS is significantly more than what the HPSP stipend would provide per month.
I'd say $1200 HARDLY covers living expenses and rent for a month in a majority of US cities...so how are some of you HPSPer's making up the difference to pay for your living expenses? Are you still able to take out small loans from your university to assist with these expenses?
I'm asking all this because although USUHS is my top choice, if I happen to blow away the MCAT and get into Johns Hopkins or Duke...I would probably have a moment of hesitation before immediately going the USUHS route.
I hope some of you will comment with specific experiences. Thank you.
Correct me if I am wrong, but if you want to go to hopkins or duke are you interested in research? I heard that the military IS NOT the way to go for many people, especially if you want to do research.
I'm about two months away from taking the MCAT and applyin to USUHS (top choice) as well as a few others with expectation of an Army HPSP. Possible drawbacks of attending USUHS aside, the active duty pay one receives while attending USUHS is significantly more than what the HPSP stipend would provide per month.
I'd say $1200 HARDLY covers living expenses and rent for a month in a majority of US cities...so how are some of you HPSPer's making up the difference to pay for your living expenses? Are you still able to take out small loans from your university to assist with these expenses?
I'm asking all this because although USUHS is my top choice, if I happen to blow away the MCAT and get into Johns Hopkins or Duke...I would probably have a moment of hesitation before immediately going the USUHS route.
I hope some of you will comment with specific experiences. Thank you.
I'm sure many of these doctors here were in your shoes: idealistic, 23, without anything holding you down.I am sure many of you will simply recommend to abandon HPSP and USUHS as options altogether. At this point, that's not really an option for me. If I didn't pursue a service career to some degree, I would feel like I've sold myself short. Yes, medicine is my intended career, but the fact that I want to be a soldier just as much as a doctor tells me that I need to pursue one of these mil med options. I'm only 23 years old, and I have no wife or children to provide for. I really hate that I'm discovering so much negative sentiment for military medicine right now; it's certainly a different picture from what people of last generation's military medicine have told me about.
This post isn't exactly a question for anyone to respond to, but these are the current thoughts of an epidemiology graduate student who hears a strong calling to both the military and to medicine. Mock my greenhorn attitude about the whole thing if you must, but I appreciate any advice or responses you guys may have.
I'm sure many of these doctors here were in your shoes: idealistic, 23, without anything holding you down.
I'll also bet a lot of them realize what a sacrifice they're asked to make when they're 27, their friends are all pursuing exciting fields mostly of their choice, and you're facing a GMO year (or worse, in Podunk, Montana), entering a broken system that offers substandard training options and below market pay when boarded.
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What is your background/evidence for these statements?
Many military physicians were nontraditional students and did not start med school at 23.
Substandard is a very strong word. Most IM and IM subspecialty programs may not be on par with top notch civilian programs but are better than many community-based programs.
As for pay, it totally depends on specialty and location for whether someone's pay is "below market." Our rheumatologist took a pay cut upon entering private practice.
I've never seen any data suggesting that civilians are more or less likely to get the specialty "mostly of their choice."
Finally, GMO tours are almost never one year, they are 2-3 years.
There is great information on here about the current state of military medicine and I probably would not have chosen to join in the current environment, but these statements are over the top.