I have a ton of questions!

[nowaysurvey]

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[dieanotherday]

The semester/quarter is not over, why can't you take 2 science classes, attend all office hours, and talk to your professors and let them know what you're planning to do?
that will take care of the LOR

 

[nowaysurvey]

The semester/quarter is not over, why can't you take 2 science classes, attend all office hours, and talk to your professors and let them know what you're planning to do?
that will take care of the LOR

Well, one is in the works, but the other is a large class with a bipolar professor, so I think that's out of the question. This is why I plan to take one during the summer and get a LOR before my application is processed. But I was wondering if you guys have any suggestion about asking my old professors.

 

[sjv]

1. Since you can't go back in time, the past will have to do. Letters from those professors you got an A in their class will be sufficient. Its common at large universities to get relatively generic letters. You can save letters using the service Interfolio but you have to pay for subscription otherwise you'd have to just ask them again since letters are confidential.

2. Applying broadly is more common for mid to low range stats, obviously if you have high stats you can afford to be a little more selective. You have the right idea that LSU would be great to attend since cost is low but admissions is a game of uncertainty for many applicants so you should apply to more than just one school. You can also apply to state schools that allow you to become instate residents after the first year bringing the cost down to a level more manageable than the cost of many private schools. Applying is a relatively expensive process and interviewing is even more expensive.

3. Volunteering is good. Research in high school doesn't count. What about shadowing?

4. Most students are taking loans, you are allowed to borrow up to the cost of attendance in Federal Direct/Direct PLUS loans as needed. You fill out FAFSA and you will be awarded a financial aid package likely consisting of loans, scholarships are rare and alot more unlikely compared to undergrad. Repayment begins 6 months after you graduate but interest accrues as soon as the loan is dispersed. Once again, tuition at many states schools is very manageable and the loan amounts are nowhere near as significant as some schools and much easier to pay back.

5. Your DAT is fine, most people would not say to retake but that is really a decision for you to make.

 

[gentlerwave]

1) I can kind of relate to this. Before applying, only one professor knew me in person, but I contacted another professor who knew that I did well in his class (got the highest grade in the class) and met with him for about 30 mins. In that meeting, I basically said that I'm interested in going to dental school and asked him whether he would write me a LOR. Maybe you can do something like this? Contact one of the professors in the class you did exceptionally well in and just set up a meeting.
2) Again, similar to you here, I only applied to my 2 state schools. Definitely took a big risk, but I really had no desire to go to an OOS school. You have to compare your stats with the D1 students at LSU who got accepted last year and roughly weigh your chance. If your stats are on the low end, then you should consider applying to a few OOS schools just to increase your chance.
3) I think your volunteering hours are sufficient already. You need to bump up the shadowing hours though. Ideally you should have around 100 hours of shadowing.
4) If you have time and feel more prepared this time around, then take the DAT again. However, "19 PAT, 20 TS, and a 21 AA" are pretty nice already. If it was me I'd focus on improving my other stats and would just settle with those scores.

I don't think your credentials are bad at all. There's still time to boost your GPA up, especially the sGPA. Best of luck 🙂

 

[NMC2010]

1. Ask your professors. They have students do this all the time, no need to be worried - they won't kick you out of their office. If they say no, move on to the next prof, no big deal.

2. Apply to your state schools, but also apply to other OOS friendly schools. It's a lot of money, but you'll regret it if you apply to too few and don't get in. The money for applications is nothing compared to dental school itself.

3. From your tone, it seems like you have the wrong attitude. I've seen it in others and myself - stop berating yourself! When you put yourself down, it's only going to make you feel worse and more unsure about yourself. Breathe in some fresh air and take a risk, get involved in some clubs at your college. From being in your shoes previously, I know that's hard, and frankly probably not something you have any desire to even think about. But when you do, especially if it's with other people you know (don't have to know them well), you can develop a common interest in that organization and really make some great friends. This happened to me with 2 different organizations I joined. The worst that can happen is you get bored and don't make any new friends/better friendships. The best is you might really enjoy it and make some great friendships. On top of all that, you can put that organization down as one of your EC's!

4. There is some financial aid for dental school, but scholarships are generally only for those with exceptional stats (like 3.7+ gpa, 22 DAT, curing cancer, etc.). It isn't killer to take out the loans (especially not at only 30k/year), many people do it. If you're thinking about HPSP only for the money, do not do it. That seems to be the consensus from everyone I've talked to so far.

5. Your DAT is great! Just keep working on your GPA.

 

[nowaysurvey]

1. Since you can't go back in time, the past will have to do. Letters from those professors you got an A in their class will be sufficient. Its common at large universities to get relatively generic letters. You can save letters using the service Interfolio but you have to pay for subscription otherwise you'd have to just ask them again since letters are confidential.

2. Applying broadly is more common for mid to low range stats, obviously if you have high stats you can afford to be a little more selective. You have the right idea that LSU would be great to attend since cost is low but admissions is a game of uncertainty for many applicants so you should apply to more than just one school. You can also apply to state schools that allow you to become instate residents after the first year bringing the cost down to a level more manageable than the cost of many private schools. Applying is a relatively expensive process and interviewing is even more expensive.

3. Volunteering is good. Research in high school doesn't count. What about shadowing?

4. Most students are taking loans, you are allowed to borrow up to the cost of attendance in Federal Direct/Direct PLUS loans as needed. You fill out FAFSA and you will be awarded a financial aid package likely consisting of loans, scholarships are rare and alot more unlikely compared to undergrad. Repayment begins 6 months after you graduate but interest accrues as soon as the loan is dispersed. Once again, tuition at many states schools is very manageable and the loan amounts are nowhere near as significant as some schools and much easier to pay back.

5. Your DAT is fine, most people would not say to retake but that is really a decision for you to make.

-As for the Interfolio service, how does that work? Does Interfolio tap into the AADSAS application to save your LOR? How much does it cost for the subscription?
-And for the state schools that allows you to become instate students, which would those be?
-And when you have to start paying back 6 months after you graduate, is it usually difficult? Do most graduates find a job by then? Do you by any chance know the average payment?

Thanks so much for your advice!

1) I can kind of relate to this. Before applying, only one professor knew me in person, but I contacted another professor who knew that I did well in his class (got the highest grade in the class) and met with him for about 30 mins. In that meeting, I basically said that I'm interested in going to dental school and asked him whether he would write me a LOR. Maybe you can do something like this? Contact one of the professors in the class you did exceptionally well in and just set up a meeting.
2) Again, similar to you here, I only applied to my 2 state schools. Definitely took a big risk, but I really had no desire to go to an OOS school. You have to compare your stats with the D1 students at LSU who got accepted last year and roughly weigh your chance. If your stats are on the low end, then you should consider applying to a few OOS schools just to increase your chance.
3) I think your volunteering hours are sufficient already. You need to bump up the shadowing hours though. Ideally you should have around 100 hours of shadowing.
4) If you have time and feel more prepared this time around, then take the DAT again. However, "19 PAT, 20 TS, and a 21 AA" are pretty nice already. If it was me I'd focus on improving my other stats and would just settle with those scores.

I don't think your credentials are bad at all. There's still time to boost your GPA up, especially the sGPA. Best of luck 🙂

-Yeah, I can definitely ask one of my science professor, of which I got an A in the class, to write a LOR. It's just I'm not sure if I can muster the courage to do so. But I'm gonna go in with the mentality that I lose nothing, so I'll see what I can do. Would it be permissible to contact a professor by e-mail to start off things, or should I go meet him directly and ask him - although I'm a bit afraid of being turned down?

Thanks so much for the advice!

1. Ask your professors. They have students do this all the time, no need to be worried - they won't kick you out of their office. If they say no, move on to the next prof, no big deal.

2. Apply to your state schools, but also apply to other OOS friendly schools. It's a lot of money, but you'll regret it if you apply to too few and don't get in. The money for applications is nothing compared to dental school itself.

3. From your tone, it seems like you have the wrong attitude. I've seen it in others and myself - stop berating yourself! When you put yourself down, it's only going to make you feel worse and more unsure about yourself. Breathe in some fresh air and take a risk, get involved in some clubs at your college. From being in your shoes previously, I know that's hard, and frankly probably not something you have any desire to even think about. But when you do, especially if it's with other people you know (don't have to know them well), you can develop a common interest in that organization and really make some great friends. This happened to me with 2 different organizations I joined. The worst that can happen is you get bored and don't make any new friends/better friendships. The best is you might really enjoy it and make some great friendships. On top of all that, you can put that organization down as one of your EC's!

4. There is some financial aid for dental school, but scholarships are generally only for those with exceptional stats (like 3.7+ gpa, 22 DAT, curing cancer, etc.). It isn't killer to take out the loans (especially not at only 30k/year), many people do it. If you're thinking about HPSP only for the money, do not do it. That seems to be the consensus from everyone I've talked to so far.

5. Your DAT is great! Just keep working on your GPA.

Yes, I can definitely bring my GPA up, but don't know if I can do so before finishing my undergraduate.


And all of you stated that I should apply to some OOS schools. Can you name me a few that are OOS friendly - southern US dental schools would be preferable (or give me a link to where I can find such information)?
And thank so much you three for the advice. You guys do a WAY better job that my advisor, who just sits there and gives me the awkward look and does not really help me at all.
My god, I wish I have found this forum much earlier, and have mentors like you guys from the start. Your words are so encouraging and extremely helpful.

Thanks SO much again.

 

[nowaysurvey]

Alright guys,

I'm new to this forum and also new to the process of applying to dental school, and I have a lot of questions, so please bare with me. Sigh, I wish I could have know about this forum earlier, so I could have gotten good advice from the beginning.

1) I urgently need LORs (2 basic science professors) for applying to dental school later this year. I think I have one in the works, as I asked one of my professor prior to the start of this spring semester if he can write one for me if I show and put effort into his class, and he said yes. (However, this doesn't guarantee a LOR.) My problem is the 2nd required LOR. I don't know which of my past professors to ask. I never made any bad impressions with any professors, but at the same time I didn't make any good impressions either (other than getting an A in the class, very little class participation, and perhaps that I'm a diligent student albeit a quiet student). I'm really nervous about asking them, and I was wondering if you guys think it'll be okay to ask those that I got an A in the course for a LOR despite not being fairly acquainted with them. Also, are any of you guys in a similar situation? How about those that attend a BIG university? Isn't it really hard to became acquainted with your professor unless you really put effort out to visit them often? How about those who are non-traditional applicants and haven't been in school for years? How do you go about getting a LOR then?
(Also, it's not like I can't get zero LORs, I did work one year and I do believe I can get LOR from other people outside of school, but I still would need the required 2 from science professors.) Also, another thing is once I do get the LOR, is there any way to save it if I don't get into dental school this year? I don't want to go through the process of re-asking my professors for them the next time around I apply for dental school.

2) People here always say apply broadly to increase your chances of getting into dental school. I like to do this, but I'm not sure if it'll do me any good in the end. First and foremost, it's the cost. Applying to multiple schools costs a good bit. And if I do make it into one OOS school, it'll overwhelm both my myself and my parents budgets. I always lived with my parents and they're overly attached to me. Attending an OOS will both be a burden to myself and my parents. Second, what if I get multiple interview offers and I can't find the time to travel there or pay for expenses (well expenses really isn't the problem, it's just paying for airfares and all that, and later knowing it went to waste because I didn't make it end. And also, I'm afraid of planes.)? Ideally, I REALLY want to attend my state school, which is LSU, but my credentials might not be good enough. :/

3) I lack extracurriculars. I'm trying my best, but I can't seem to break out of my shell. This goes back to my personality. I'm a particularly shy person. I, however, have a good bit of volunteering hours on my belt and a bit of research during high school with a neurologist. Why this greatly affect me negatively? Sigh. If there's anything I can redo about my past, it'll be to become better acquainted with my professors and getting involve in clubs, etc. I know, I'm such a klutz.

4) Tuition and fees. LSU costs about 30k a year. This is actually a lot less than my tuition for undergraduate school, which is about 45k here at Tulane however, I have scholarships and financial aid that makes up for all of that. My question is, Is there scholarships or financial aid for dental schools? If not, how do loans work, since I'll most likely be taking some? Do I have to start paying as soon as I get out of dental school? Also, is joining the HSPS a good idea (although I'm not sure if I can mentally handle this)?

5) Should I retake the DAT again to make myself a bit more competitive? Some people I ask told me to do so, while some advise not to. I took it about two months ago and I got a 19 PAT, 20 TS, and a 21 AA. I have plans to take it again, and hopefully get a 23+, and that's on the basis that I didn't really put as much effort as I like into the first time I took the DAT. Hopefully the second time will be better with more time to study.

Here's a bit more about myself. I have ~3.3 science and ~3.4 oGPA. (I know, it's pretty low. I think I can bring it to a ~3.4-3.5 science and ~3.5-3.6 oGPA, but it'll probably be after my summer classes or when I finish undergraduate later this year.) I have ~150 hours of volunteering and hopefully it'll be around 250 this summer. I'm working on shadowing, and hopefully it'll be around 50-75 by this summer.

My goal is to apply to LSU this year and start fall 2015. (I'll certainly be upset if I don't make it, but I can only blame myself, and I'll try again next year) However, with my credentials, my chances are pretty slim. But even with this, I heard of some statistics of the admission that gives me some hope, though very little. For example, LSU is very selective of its in state students. If I remember correctly, in 2011 there were about 650 applicants. Roughly 130 were in state and of these, ~57 were Louisiana students. And I'm not 100% sure, but I think similar stats were found in the admission process of 2012 and 2013 as well. Also, my DAT is one point about the average, not too sure if this make any difference given my other credentials.

I know I'm a more or less average student, and I know lack many things. However, I would prefer if you guys help me as much as possible rather than telling me that I have no hope.

Also, I'm an African American. Does that count as being a minority, and should I mark that on my application? Should people are telling me to do so, but I certainly don't want to since I want to be a fair applicant.

Thank you SO much!

 

[gentlerwave]

-Yeah, I can definitely ask one of my science professor, of which I got an A in the class, to write a LOR. It's just I'm not sure if I can muster the courage to do so. But I'm gonna go in with the mentality that I lose nothing, so I'll see what I can do. Would it be permissible to contact a professor by e-mail to start off things, or should I go meet him directly and ask him - although I'm a bit afraid of being turned down?

Thanks so much for the advice!

It's absolutely fine to email your professor and ask for an appointment to meet him/her in person, you can say something like "I have taken your class in the "..." semester and I am wondering whether it would be possible for you to write me a letter of recommendation for my dental school application. Would it be possible for me to set up an appointment to meet with you?" Something along the line. In your meeting, just engage in the normal conversation, tell your professor a little bit about yourself, why you chose dentistry, etc. Bring your CV and if you have a personal statement written already, bring that as well. The more info you can provide, the better the LOR will be. If you're lucky, your professor might even proofread your personal statement for you 🙂

I think it's extremely unlikely that a professor would turn down someone who did well in the class.

 

[NMC2010]

I can't claim I know too much about southern dental schools, but I'll tell you a few I applied to that are normally OOS friendly.

1. Case Western Reserve is usually pretty OOS friendly, but they're an expensive private school and have some high DAT/GPA requirements. They usually accept 50% In-State/50% OOS

2 & 3. Midwestern University Arizona and Midwestern University Illinois

4 & 5. I've heard rumors that University of Louisville and Marquette are OOS friendly as well

Somewhere, doc toothache has a thread that tells how OOS friendly schools are. Also, many state schools are exceptionally hard to get in to if you're OOS. I was flat out rejected from LSU and UT because I didn't have the stats (I have~3.5 oGPA, ~3.3 sGPA, 20 AA, so pretty similar to you).

 

[NMC2010]

Nvm, the thread I was looking for is a sticky on the front page of pre-dent forums: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...at-are-my-chances-read-if-this-is-you.635046/

 

[nowaysurvey]

How long does it usually take for the official DAT score to come in?

Also, does any know how DAT scores compare with MCAT, PCAT, and OAT scores? I know it's impossible to really compare these admission tests since they are all unique in its own way, but does anyone know like which ranges of scores corresponds to which percentiles since that might be the only best way to compare them? I really like to see how these admissions tests compare with one another. It just bothers me that all my friends are taking MCATs, PCATs, and OATs, and they always ask how well I did on my DAT. I tell them I got a 21, and I tell my friends that's that's a pretty decent score, but they don't really understand the concept that getting a 20+ on a DAT is pretty difficult. I haven't gotten the percentiles of my scores yet, but does it hit the 80 percentile yet?

According to wikipedia, 32-33 is around the 90 percentile for the MCAT. I can't find statistics for the DAT, but I see threads around here that says 22-24 are around 90+ percentile. Is that true?

 

[free99]

How long does it usually take for the official DAT score to come in?

I never got anything "official" in the mail, nor have I heard of anyone's "official" scores deviating from the printout you were given in the prometric center. When you send your AADSAS application, you can check your scores are as they should be by clicking on the little binoculars under the "Dental School Designations" tab. I was secretly hoping my TS might be bumped up to a 23, but I had no such luck, haha.

Also, does any know how DAT scores compare with MCAT, PCAT, and OAT scores? I know it's impossible to really compare these admission tests since they are all unique in its own way, but does anyone know like which ranges of scores corresponds to which percentiles since that might be the only best way to compare them? I really like to see how these admissions tests compare with one another. It just bothers me that all my friends are taking MCATs, PCATs, and OATs, and they always ask how well I did on my DAT. I tell them I got a 21, and I tell my friends that's that's a pretty decent score, but they don't really understand the concept that getting a 20+ on a DAT is pretty difficult. I haven't gotten the percentiles of my scores yet, but does it hit the 80 percentile yet?

I'm not sure why they changed the printout that you're given in the prometric center, they used to have the corresponding percentiles for your scores right on there. It was a nice way to convey your success (or lack thereof ) to your loved ones who might not be as familiar with the scale as you are. It was a bit odd, though, because it varied test to test. One person's Academic Average of 21 could be 93%, whereas someone else's could be 95%, depending on which version you got. This document is a little dated, but has a whole heap of interesting statistical data regarding DAT scores. I think you'll find most of the answers you're seeking in there. Great job on the 21AA, that's definitely 90th+%.

According to wikipedia, 32-33 is around the 90 percentile for the MCAT. I can't find statistics for the DAT, but I see threads around here that says 22-24 are around 90+ percentile. Is that true?

22-24 is closer to 95-99.9%.

 

[sjv]

-As for the Interfolio service, how does that work? Does Interfolio tap into the AADSAS application to save your LOR? How much does it cost for the subscription?
-And for the state schools that allows you to become instate students, which would those be?
-And when you have to start paying back 6 months after you graduate, is it usually difficult? Do most graduates find a job by then? Do you by any chance know the average payment?

Interfolio allows you to store your recommendations so you can submit them to AADSAS as you please, subscription varies by length, starts at $30 for 1 year i think?
You'd have to look into that, there are a decent number, I don't have a list on the top of my head.
As for repaying loans, it really depends on what path you take and how much you borrow, its hard to predict the future/job/wage/location/amount owed, need further information.

How long does it usually take for the official DAT score to come in?

Also, does any know how DAT scores compare with MCAT, PCAT, and OAT scores? I know it's impossible to really compare these admission tests since they are all unique in its own way, but does anyone know like which ranges of scores corresponds to which percentiles since that might be the only best way to compare them? I really like to see how these admissions tests compare with one another. It just bothers me that all my friends are taking MCATs, PCATs, and OATs, and they always ask how well I did on my DAT. I tell them I got a 21, and I tell my friends that's that's a pretty decent score, but they don't really understand the concept that getting a 20+ on a DAT is pretty difficult. I haven't gotten the percentiles of my scores yet, but does it hit the 80 percentile yet?

According to wikipedia, 32-33 is around the 90 percentile for the MCAT. I can't find statistics for the DAT, but I see threads around here that says 22-24 are around 90+ percentile. Is that true?

DAT scores usually take 2-3 weeks to be attached to your AADSAS account after you enter your DENTPIN. The last numbers released in 2009 were 23+ = 99th, 22 = 97th, 21 = 95th, 20 = 90th but I imagine the numbers have changed slightly in the past 5 years but there isn't released information to confirm.

 

[nowaysurvey]

Interfolio allows you to store your recommendations so you can submit them to AADSAS as you please, subscription varies by length, starts at $30 for 1 year i think?
You'd have to look into that, there are a decent number, I don't have a list on the top of my head.
As for repaying loans, it really depends on what path you take and how much you borrow, its hard to predict the future/job/wage/location/amount owed, need further information.



DAT scores usually take 2-3 weeks to be attached to your AADSAS account after you enter your DENTPIN. The last numbers released in 2009 were 23+ = 99th, 22 = 97th, 21 = 95th, 20 = 90th but I imagine the numbers have changed slightly in the past 5 years but there isn't released information to confirm.

So based on what I have been reading on Interfolio's website, I have to ask my teacher to write the LOR and submit it to Interfolio, and then Interfolio submits it to AADSAS, correct? If I recall correctly, don't you have to click a link on the AADSAS website and that sends a link to your professor to write a LOR, so basically you have no control over the LOR (unless the professor gives you a copy)? It sucks that AADSAS doesn't save your LOR's. :/

Also, as for the percentiles you posted... A 23+ in 2009, corresponds to the 99th percentile? That's insane! However I have the feeling base on what I hear around me that the average DAT score has rose since then, so that must mean percentiles ranges should have changed a bit or so. But I'm getting the idea that a 21 on the DAT is a pretty good score, which is something I'm definitely proud of.

Thanks again for your advice! Sorry for bothering you guys so much.

 

[ModifiedBass]

So based on what I have been reading on Interfolio's website, I have to ask my teacher to write the LOR and submit it to Interfolio, and then Interfolio submits it to AADSAS, correct? If I recall correctly, don't you have to click a link on the AADSAS website and that sends a link to your professor to write a LOR, so basically you have no control over the LOR (unless the professor gives you a copy)? It sucks that AADSAS doesn't save your LOR's. :/

Also, as for the percentiles you posted... A 23+ in 2009, corresponds to the 99th percentile? That's insane! However I have the feeling base on what I hear around me that the average DAT score has rose since then, so that must mean percentiles ranges should have changed a bit or so. But I'm getting the idea that a 21 on the DAT is a pretty good score, which is something I'm definitely proud of.

Thanks again for your advice! Sorry for bothering you guys so much.

What do you mean by no control over your LOR? They are supposed to confidential in the first place, so you shouldn't technically have a say/be able to see what is written anyway.

I think they took away percentiles because it was confusing applicants. What your percentile was doesn't matter because dental schools only receive the number, so it's kind of pointless for you to see the percentile. But, don't assume the percentile ranges changed, I took mine last summer and my 21 AA was 97.1 percentile so they are still pretty accurate to within a few percentiles depending on individual difficulty of your test.

 

[sjv]

So based on what I have been reading on Interfolio's website, I have to ask my teacher to write the LOR and submit it to Interfolio, and then Interfolio submits it to AADSAS, correct? If I recall correctly, don't you have to click a link on the AADSAS website and that sends a link to your professor to write a LOR, so basically you have no control over the LOR (unless the professor gives you a copy)? It sucks that AADSAS doesn't save your LOR's. :/

Also, as for the percentiles you posted... A 23+ in 2009, corresponds to the 99th percentile? That's insane! However I have the feeling base on what I hear around me that the average DAT score has rose since then, so that must mean percentiles ranges should have changed a bit or so. But I'm getting the idea that a 21 on the DAT is a pretty good score, which is something I'm definitely proud of.

Thanks again for your advice! Sorry for bothering you guys so much.

Yeah, basically that, you enter the same info to Interfolio and the professor uploads the letter to the link emailed to them, then from your side you tell Interfolio to send it to AADSAS but the letter is still stored for usage as long as you have a subscription.

 

[gentlerwave]

When you send your AADSAS application, you can check your scores are as they should be by clicking on the little binoculars under the "Dental School Designations" tab. I was secretly hoping my TS might be bumped up to a 23, but I had no such luck, haha.

Where is this binocular under the "Dental School Designations" tab? I don't think I have it.

 

[sjv]

Where is this binocular under the "Dental School Designations" tab? I don't think I have it.

Its under "Application PDF" under the "Dental School Designations" link under the Application Checklist section, not the My Application Status section.

 

[gentlerwave]

Its under "Application PDF" under the "Dental School Designations" link under the Application Checklist section, not the My Application Status section.

Thank you. I can't believe I never noticed it before.

 

[Glimmer1991]

Okay, coming into this kind of late, but I'll try my best to help.

First, you should NOT be nervous to ask professors for recommendation letters. Writing them is a part of their job. Especially if you have done well, they should be happy to write one for you. In my opinion, generic letters are probably pretty dang common. I wouldn't sweat that. However, there are a few things you can do to make the letter less generic. For one, ask to have a short meeting with the professor so they can get a better "feel" about who you are as a student and what you are trying to do with your life. Secondly, give them your resume and your personal statement (if you've already written it). They can try to tailor your letter so that it conveys you in a way that is cohesive with your extracurriculars and life goals. Professors have to do this stuff all the time. Just send them a nice e-mail asking if they could help you with this, ask if you could set up a short meeting with them, and attach a copy of your resume/PS. The easier you make it for them, the better your letter will be--and the more happy to write your letter they will be.

Also, shake the whole timid mentality!!!! 🙂 It is a challenge, but really, it is so worth it (and also so necessary). I feel your pain. I am normally a shy person, but I have had to really come out of my shell with this entire application process. You'll be interviewing at schools, after all, and want to come across as confident and competent. You will also be a business owner one day, and you need to come across as self-assured to get your patients to trust you. It will take practice every day, but it only gets easier with time. I'd try to look into extracurriculars that really pull you out of your shell and force you to become comfortable interacting with strangers. For me, I found that tutoring and giving tours at my college helped me immensely. You'll be needing those skills sooner than later.

Also, make sure you get a letter from the dentist you shadowed. You'll be needing that for a lot of schools.

Okay, here is the blunt truth: Your school selectivity is directly proportional to the quality of your application. I would apply to around 10 schools. It certainly costs a bit to apply and interviews are expensive... but you probably won't be getting an interview at each of these schools, anyhow. Almost everyone gets passed up by a few schools, even those with outrageously good applications. It is better to be safe than sorry. Your parents might freak out at the cost (I know my Dad was NOT happy with the AADSAS cost, even with me just applying to 5!!), but you'll just have to explain to them that this is a necessary sacrifice and that it is not uncommon. It takes money to make money.

Missing school for interviews will be hard, but you'll manage. We all do. 🙂 Also, traveling by plane is fun!! Don't psych yourself out.

If LSU is your ultimate goal, a good thing you could do to get your foot in the door is contact the school and see if there is anyone you could talk to about improving your application. You have a few months left, and someone on the adcom could give you GREAT advice about what you should do to strengthen your chances. It also helps to show your interest. I would contact the school's office by email (most schools seem to prefer this). The worst they can tell you is no. Just be polite and genuine, and I'm sure you will have good luck with this.

For application purposes, extracurriculars during high school don't count, sadly. Pick something up like tutoring and stick with it. I'd just try to get in a few more hours to round out your application. However, as a note, I don't think it would be bad to mention the HS research in an interview if you are asked about your research experience. It couldn't hurt.

Scholarships are available, but you have to have one heck of an application to be awarded merit aid. It is nothing like the scene for undergrad. You will be able to take out government loans, and the current interest rate is about 5.4%. Payments are deferred while you are in school, but your loans gain interest during that time. If you are flexible, you should be able to find a job within 6 months.

The military is a sweet deal, but it isn't for everyone. It definitely wasn't for me. From your post, I'm not sure that it would be the best option for you, either... but that's okay! 🙂 There are other repayment options--I'd nose around on this site to look into some of them.

Also, I commend you for thinking about finances already. Super smart.

I wouldn't retake your DAT. Yours isn't SUPER high, but it is more than acceptable. I would be very happy with it and not risk a retake.

If you can get that GPA just a little bit, you'll be in a great position. It isn't that low in the first place, but it will only help to bring it up. Also, having an "upward trend" where you are consistently doing well in your upper-level sciences will only help your application! Schools notice that kind of stuff.

Get 100 shadowing hours. Just do it. Quite a few schools require this. It'll only take a few extra days.

Oh, for LSU, you might want to look into the chalk carving requirement and practice that before your interview. You could also contact the school and see if they will release a class profile to you; that way, you can see how your stats compare to the average of accepted students.

"I know I'm a more or less average student, and I know lack many things. However, I would prefer if you guys help me as much as possible rather than telling me that I have no hope."
You are a GOOD applicant! Shake this mindset, girl! (Okay, at least I think you're a girl.) 🙂

Oh, and for your final thing--being a URM is definitely going to help. You will most certainly want to put that on your application. Take all the help you can get!!!! There's no shame in that. 🙂

 

[nowaysurvey]

Okay, coming into this kind of late, but I'll try my best to help.

First, you should NOT be nervous to ask professors for recommendation letters. Writing them is a part of their job. Especially if you have done well, they should be happy to write one for you. In my opinion, generic letters are probably pretty dang common. I wouldn't sweat that. However, there are a few things you can do to make the letter less generic. For one, ask to have a short meeting with the professor so they can get a better "feel" about who you are as a student and what you are trying to do with your life. Secondly, give them your resume and your personal statement (if you've already written it). They can try to tailor your letter so that it conveys you in a way that is cohesive with your extracurriculars and life goals. Professors have to do this stuff all the time. Just send them a nice e-mail asking if they could help you with this, ask if you could set up a short meeting with them, and attach a copy of your resume/PS. The easier you make it for them, the better your letter will be--and the more happy to write your letter they will be.

Also, shake the whole timid mentality!!!! 🙂 It is a challenge, but really, it is so worth it (and also so necessary). I feel your pain. I am normally a shy person, but I have had to really come out of my shell with this entire application process. You'll be interviewing at schools, after all, and want to come across as confident and competent. You will also be a business owner one day, and you need to come across as self-assured to get your patients to trust you. It will take practice every day, but it only gets easier with time. I'd try to look into extracurriculars that really pull you out of your shell and force you to become comfortable interacting with strangers. For me, I found that tutoring and giving tours at my college helped me immensely. You'll be needing those skills sooner than later.

Also, make sure you get a letter from the dentist you shadowed. You'll be needing that for a lot of schools.

Okay, here is the blunt truth: Your school selectivity is directly proportional to the quality of your application. I would apply to around 10 schools. It certainly costs a bit to apply and interviews are expensive... but you probably won't be getting an interview at each of these schools, anyhow. Almost everyone gets passed up by a few schools, even those with outrageously good applications. It is better to be safe than sorry. Your parents might freak out at the cost (I know my Dad was NOT happy with the AADSAS cost, even with me just applying to 5!!), but you'll just have to explain to them that this is a necessary sacrifice and that it is not uncommon. It takes money to make money.

Missing school for interviews will be hard, but you'll manage. We all do. 🙂 Also, traveling by plane is fun!! Don't psych yourself out.

If LSU is your ultimate goal, a good thing you could do to get your foot in the door is contact the school and see if there is anyone you could talk to about improving your application. You have a few months left, and someone on the adcom could give you GREAT advice about what you should do to strengthen your chances. It also helps to show your interest. I would contact the school's office by email (most schools seem to prefer this). The worst they can tell you is no. Just be polite and genuine, and I'm sure you will have good luck with this.

For application purposes, extracurriculars during high school don't count, sadly. Pick something up like tutoring and stick with it. I'd just try to get in a few more hours to round out your application. However, as a note, I don't think it would be bad to mention the HS research in an interview if you are asked about your research experience. It couldn't hurt.

Scholarships are available, but you have to have one heck of an application to be awarded merit aid. It is nothing like the scene for undergrad. You will be able to take out government loans, and the current interest rate is about 5.4%. Payments are deferred while you are in school, but your loans gain interest during that time. If you are flexible, you should be able to find a job within 6 months.

The military is a sweet deal, but it isn't for everyone. It definitely wasn't for me. From your post, I'm not sure that it would be the best option for you, either... but that's okay! 🙂 There are other repayment options--I'd nose around on this site to look into some of them.

Also, I commend you for thinking about finances already. Super smart.

I wouldn't retake your DAT. Yours isn't SUPER high, but it is more than acceptable. I would be very happy with it and not risk a retake.

If you can get that GPA just a little bit, you'll be in a great position. It isn't that low in the first place, but it will only help to bring it up. Also, having an "upward trend" where you are consistently doing well in your upper-level sciences will only help your application! Schools notice that kind of stuff.

Get 100 shadowing hours. Just do it. Quite a few schools require this. It'll only take a few extra days.

Oh, for LSU, you might want to look into the chalk carving requirement and practice that before your interview. You could also contact the school and see if they will release a class profile to you; that way, you can see how your stats compare to the average of accepted students.

"I know I'm a more or less average student, and I know lack many things. However, I would prefer if you guys help me as much as possible rather than telling me that I have no hope."
You are a GOOD applicant! Shake this mindset, girl! (Okay, at least I think you're a girl.) 🙂

Oh, and for your final thing--being a URM is definitely going to help. You will most certainly want to put that on your application. Take all the help you can get!!!! There's no shame in that. 🙂

-Do dental schools really require you to get a LOR from a dentist you shadowed? I'm not exactly sure how that'll work since I haven't shadowed a particular dentist for more than 20 hours, so I couldn't become acquainted with any one of them. Or do you mean LOR as a means to verified that you actually completed the shadowing you said you did on the AADSAS application?

-As for the OOS interviews. I know that can be pretty expensive and time consuming, but I just thought of the perfect solution to travel that avoids my fear of flight: by train!

-See here's the thing about expensive and finances. The only thing I'm worried about is not being able to pay it back in time and gaining a buttload of interest that would overwhelm me. Some people on these forums talk about borrowing from the Feds and then they take a portion of your income to pay back the loans. If that's a real option, I would totally take that option rather than finding private loaners and whatnot. I can really can less if the gov't take a chunk of my paycheck each year to pay for my loans. My only goal in life is to be recognized by others (have prestige) and to help others, and I personally feel that one of the ways I could do so was to obtain a doctorate degree in any profession in the medical field, and it turns out that I want to pursue a career in dentistry.

-Also, I'd like to contact LSU and ask them for the previous year's admissions statistics and ask them how I can improve my application.
When I do so, how should I describe myself? Should I be specific or vague about my information? I like to give them a pretty detail description about myself, but wouldn't that look pretty bad once the application comes around? Like my credentials are mediocre and I don't want to make a bad impression with them by describing my current information. I'm sorry. I don't think I'm wording my question right. I hope you're able to understand though.

And also, I broke down the other night. I definitely know that I won't make it into LSU dental school, but I will submit an application anyways. It's pretty heart-reckoning for me, but there's nothing I can do. I'm currently looking around for OOS friendly schools, and possibly apply to them later this year.

However, I do know a few people that failed to get into LSU dental school, but made it in on their 2nd or 3rd try. And I'm betting on that for me as well. So, here's my dilemma. My dream would be getting into LSU dental school. Currently, I plan to ONLY apply to LSU this year, despite having the feeling that I won't make it in (but who knows, luck sometimes prevails). I do not mind taking a year off if I don't get in. I can continue with school again and get a degree in chemistry (so I'll have two degrees!), work part-time, volunteer, research, and or shadow. All of which will definitely make my application look better. I am graduating a year early, so I don't really feel bad for nothing getting into dental the first time around. However, here's the thing about applying to other schools this year as well. I don't want to decline them if they accept me because I want to try to get into LSU. When the second application comes around, I
ll then apply broadly, and if LSU doesn't work I'll take my chances at OOS schools. It's just that I don't want to apply to OOS schools the first time around and decline them just because I really want to try to get into LSU. I have feeling that by declining them, it'll will make me look bad once I apply to those schools again if I need to the second time around. What do you think about this idea? And as earlier, my wording is a bit difficult to understand. I apologize for that.

And finally, thanks SO much!
Why can't my advisor be like you? Everything would be so much better!
Thanks for your kindness and advice!

 

[Glimmer1991]

LSU doesn't appear to have the dentist recommendation as a requirement. However, of the 5 schools I applied to, I think that every single one of them did. It's a very common requirement. It isn't necessarily to "verify" your shadowing, but I think it will be apparent in the letter if the dentist has gotten to know you at all during your shadowing. I'd definitely try to get in a good 30 or so hours with a single dentist and then ask for their help. You are definitely going to need this letter.

Can you really take a train anywhere within a reasonable time frame? LOL! I'm just trying to imagine going from my home in NC to a UoP interview in San Francisco by train... hah!

In all seriousness, though, a train probably isn't the best option. Interviews are scheduled almost exclusively during the school week. You'll want to minimize the number of days of class you miss. Taking the train probably isn't very conducive to that.

Eh, loans are just a fact of life for all of us. It takes money to make money. You will be able to get loans through the government--the private loans, at least as far as I have researched, are not as good of an option. The loans are unsubsidized, but you do not have to make payments on them until 6 months after you graduate. They accrue interest while you are in school. Just be sure to live as cheaply as possible. You are already on the right track with wanting to go to your state school, but I would still apply elsewhere to keep your options open.

There are income-based repayment options through the government, but I'm not very familiar with them. I'd search the forums and do some google searches on "IBR." 🙂 Honestly, though, unless your loans are really astronomical, it is probably just best to pay them off the "old fashioned" way. That's what I'm doing!

Oh, and while you're at it, just go ahead and do a few searches on loans for dental school.

I would just be very polite and convey your intentions. Something along the lines of,

"Dear LSU Admissions team,

My name is XXX, and I am applying to LSU's dental program during the upcoming 2015 cycle. I have worked diligently to prepare for taking this step; however, in the few months I have remaining, I am trying to tie up any loose ends and make my application as stronger. LSU is hands-down my top choice for dental school, and it has been a longstanding ambition of mine to become a student at your school. As such, I was wondering if there was any way I could talk to a member of the admissions committee to gain advice about what I could do to help my application. If this is possibe, I would be more than willing to talk however is most convenient (phone, email, in-person) and am happy to provide any information about my application.

Also, does LSU publish class profiles? I can't find them on the website, but I may be looking in the wrong place.

Thank you so much for your help, and please let me know if I can provide any further information. Have a great day!

Best,

XXXX"

You can obviously tweak that, but I'd kind of send something like that. They'll ask you for your resume or whatnot if they're willing to talk.

Also, if and when you talk to them, I don't think that being upfront about your credentials could hurt you. They're going to see them eventually. It will be good to know what they think, good or bad--at least you will know what to expect!

You are not a definite "no" for dental school. Like I said, you're gonna have to keep your chin up and lose that conception of yourself! And, even if you do have to apply more than once, you aren't a failure. It happens to many extremely bright people. And guess what they end up being? Dentists.

I'd still apply to a few schools and not just one. I only really had intentions of going to an NC school, but I'm very glad I applied to other schools. They weren't viable options because of cost, but maybe in the future if I choose to specialize! Plus, if anything, having multiple interviews will help you improve your interview skills. If you can line up an OOS interview before you interview at LSU, for example, you will feel much more confident when the LSU interview rolls around.

If you have more questions, don't be afraid to ask!! I know I can be pretty straightforward, but I genuinely want to help. 🙂

 

[ILLchief]

-Do dental schools really require you to get a LOR from a dentist you shadowed? I'm not exactly sure how that'll work since I haven't shadowed a particular dentist for more than 20 hours, so I couldn't become acquainted with any one of them. Or do you mean LOR as a means to verified that you actually completed the shadowing you said you did on the AADSAS application?

-As for the OOS interviews. I know that can be pretty expensive and time consuming, but I just thought of the perfect solution to travel that avoids my fear of flight: by train!

-See here's the thing about expensive and finances. The only thing I'm worried about is not being able to pay it back in time and gaining a buttload of interest that would overwhelm me. Some people on these forums talk about borrowing from the Feds and then they take a portion of your income to pay back the loans. If that's a real option, I would totally take that option rather than finding private loaners and whatnot. I can really can less if the gov't take a chunk of my paycheck each year to pay for my loans. My only goal in life is to be recognized by others (have prestige) and to help others, and I personally feel that one of the ways I could do so was to obtain a doctorate degree in any profession in the medical field, and it turns out that I want to pursue a career in dentistry.

-Also, I'd like to contact LSU and ask them for the previous year's admissions statistics and ask them how I can improve my application.
When I do so, how should I describe myself? Should I be specific or vague about my information? I like to give them a pretty detail description about myself, but wouldn't that look pretty bad once the application comes around? Like my credentials are mediocre and I don't want to make a bad impression with them by describing my current information. I'm sorry. I don't think I'm wording my question right. I hope you're able to understand though.

And also, I broke down the other night. I definitely know that I won't make it into LSU dental school, but I will submit an application anyways. It's pretty heart-reckoning for me, but there's nothing I can do. I'm currently looking around for OOS friendly schools, and possibly apply to them later this year.

However, I do know a few people that failed to get into LSU dental school, but made it in on their 2nd or 3rd try. And I'm betting on that for me as well. So, here's my dilemma. My dream would be getting into LSU dental school. Currently, I plan to ONLY apply to LSU this year, despite having the feeling that I won't make it in (but who knows, luck sometimes prevails). I do not mind taking a year off if I don't get in. I can continue with school again and get a degree in chemistry (so I'll have two degrees!), work part-time, volunteer, research, and or shadow. All of which will definitely make my application look better. I am graduating a year early, so I don't really feel bad for nothing getting into dental the first time around. However, here's the thing about applying to other schools this year as well. I don't want to decline them if they accept me because I want to try to get into LSU. When the second application comes around, I
ll then apply broadly, and if LSU doesn't work I'll take my chances at OOS schools. It's just that I don't want to apply to OOS schools the first time around and decline them just because I really want to try to get into LSU. I have feeling that by declining them, it'll will make me look bad once I apply to those schools again if I need to the second time around. What do you think about this idea? And as earlier, my wording is a bit difficult to understand. I apologize for that.

And finally, thanks SO much!
Why can't my advisor be like you? Everything would be so much better!
Thanks for your kindness and advice!

I'm probably just going to reiterate what other ppl have posted, but here it goes...

You're right, applying to dental school is expensive. Each school is like $90 or something plus you have to pay for secondary application fees just for the schools to process your app. You shouldn't be worried about interview expenses tho... its for your future. Take it with stride and pay for the flights/trains/hotels for the interviews. I'm already accepted to school but I traveled out to LA from Chicago and its so worth it, even if I don't get in! Interviewing at different schools is an experience you will never have again.

I can tell you are solely attached to LSU probably b/c of your parents/family/friends but youre growing up. You're applying to PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL. Your parents cant expect you to live with them/live close by your entire life. You need to apply to more schools than just your state schools b/c there are so many more opportunities out there. This will give you the best shot at an acceptance this cycle or whenever you do decide to apply.

You said you're graduating a year early, first off congrats on that! If you want, I dont see the problem with only applying to LSU this cycle to give it a shot since you would be considered young if you did get accepted. 2nd cycle, then yes by all means apply for OOS/private schools! Its your decision what you should do, but you have to think "its better to be in dental school than out of dental school"

also, yes most, if not all, require a LOR from a dentist. you should get on that for your application.