If Drumph wins, I’ll blame the democrats.

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Why is this "useless"?

From a wealth and economic point of view bomb building for other countries does not add anything positive to our bottom line. They aren't buying those bombs from us, and they aren't free to make. It's a drain on our resources. Now one could maybe argue, which may be correct or incorrect, that the bombs are preventing a Russian Communist takeover of the world. Let's just make that wild leap which I don't agree with, then the bombs are preventing a negative, not adding anything positive (On the flip side maybe the bomb giveaway is leading to nuclear war; oh boy!). More simply put, How does a country get richer using it's resources to give away free stuff to other countries? It doesn't.

 

[pgg]

I need to do more research on this, but as far as I know inflation adjusted funding for education HAS increased over the years. Is it just still not enough to meet increased demand? Is it being misused? Not sure where to look for more info.

Education has suffered in much the same fashion as healthcare - they too are infected with an ever-growing class of administrators and assistant hangers-on, who are useless and expensive and yet somehow unfireable.

There's maybe another parallel in increasing technology-related costs, that don't really improve delivery of the core product. I'm thinking along the lines of "a laptop for every child" for educational waste, and most EMR costs for healthcare. While technology has brought some amazing things to healthcare, I honestly can't really agree that the computerization of the classrooms my kids learned in really offered any advantages over the overhead projectors and dry-erase pens my teachers used.

On the bright side, there's no "education insurance" middleman or venture capital leeches draining wealth from the system at the expense of everyone else.

 

[vector2]

I bet you're just as righteous and enthusiastic about putting Joey and Hunter behind bars for much worse. Let me guess; You're not.

Tu quoque - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[rowsdower88]

From a wealth and economic point of view bomb building for other countries does not add anything positive to our bottom line. They aren't buying those bombs from us, and they aren't free to make. It's a drain on our resources. Now one could maybe argue, which may be correct or incorrect, that the bombs are preventing a Russian Communist takeover of the world. Let's just make that wild leap which I don't agree with, then the bombs are preventing a negative, not adding anything positive (On the flip side maybe the bomb giveaway is leading to nuclear war; oh boy!). More simply put, How does a country get richer using it's resources to give away free stuff to other countries?

Why should we determine "useful" using just a "wealth and economic point of view"?

We don't determine the usefulness of taking in a refugee wrt whether or not they will make us richer do we?

 

[Arch Guillotti]

I can't believe the NYC DA is charging Trump with a crime for paying off Stormy Daniels. This is total crap considering all the stuff Democrat Politicians engage in regularly. Charging an ex-President for paying off his mistress. Seriously? Can you say Bill Clinton who lied under oath and in front of the entire country?
I am no MAGA supporter but this is a huge error on the part of Democrats. This will be seen as political revenge and nothing else.

Trump says he will be arrested Tuesday, calls on supporters to protest

Former President Donald Trump took to social media and said he expects to be arrested Tuesday.

www.cnbc.com

Exactly. Why would they ever do this to a good christian?!?

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Tu quoque - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So I was right

 

[Southpaw]

I can't believe the NYC DA is charging Trump with a crime for paying off Stormy Daniels. This is total crap considering all the stuff Democrat Politicians engage in regularly. Charging an ex-President for paying off his mistress. Seriously? Can you say Bill Clinton who lied under oath and in front of the entire country?
I am no MAGA supporter but this is a huge error on the part of Democrats. This will be seen as political revenge and nothing else.

Trump says he will be arrested Tuesday, calls on supporters to protest

Former President Donald Trump took to social media and said he expects to be arrested Tuesday.

www.cnbc.com

Dude get real. You’re a 2X Trump MAGA voter. You ain’t foolin’ no one here!

 

[vector2]

So I was right engaging in tu quoque logical fallacies

fixed that for you

 

[BLADEMDA]

Dude get real. You’re a 2X Trump MAGA voter. You ain’t foolin’ no one here!

I don't want Trump to win the GOP nomination. Do you? These types of political actions by supposed impartial lawyers from the DA/DOJ only help his campaign.

MAGA voters say an indictment would help Trump's 2024 presidential bid

In a post on his Truth Social platform Saturday, Trump predicted that he would be indicted Tuesday in a case in New York involving alleged hush money payments.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[chessknt]

Last time he did something like this was 1/6 but since that was consequence free might as well try it again eh?

 

[RadOncDoc21]

Obviously, there will continue to be a fair amount of idiots who will follow him.

 

[vector2]

Obviously, there will continue to be a fair amount of idiots who will follow him.

 

[rowsdower88]

I don't want Trump to win the GOP nomination. Do you? These types of political actions by supposed impartial lawyers from the DA/DOJ only help his campaign.

MAGA voters say an indictment would help Trump's 2024 presidential bid

In a post on his Truth Social platform Saturday, Trump predicted that he would be indicted Tuesday in a case in New York involving alleged hush money payments.

www.nbcnews.com

You need to take a step back, and look at what you just cited as a source.

Trump supporters say an indictment of Trump supports Trump. This shouldn't surprise anyone. The article also cites MTG and Kevin McCarthy, also Trump sycophants. No surprises. No new information. It would be interesting if they took Republican samples from outside Trump rallies.

Your argument is only about the optics of this indictment being bad, and I might actually agree with you on that. Despite Trump likely being guilty of the crime, for a lot of Americans it will be further evidence of a Deep State conspiracy. But I think if you want to actually be persuasive here you should be arguing why it is bad legal precedent or is ethically bad.

The problem with only arguing that it is optically bad is that the optics can change RADICALLY over the next couple months. For example, suppose this isn't the only indictment that comes out. I think there is still a very real chance an indictment comes down in Georgia for the Raffensberger phone call asking for exactly 11,780 more votes. I think if that were to happen then the optics of this indictment would be negated. There are any number of things that can change the optics of the (still potential) New York indictment.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Obviously, there will continue to be a fair amount of idiots who will follow him.

Being that's how Biden got elected you're probably correct

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

fixed that for you

Really appreciate the help but it was just fine the first time. TDS with zero passion towards the crimes of Lil Hunter and Joey. Shocks me actually. You seem to be all about equality.

 

[NumTacos]

I bet you're just as righteous and enthusiastic about putting Joey and Hunter behind bars for much worse. Let me guess; You're not.

Uhhhh, like.....what?

 

[NumTacos]

I do feel this is based purely on political motivation... but... I do agree with you that I want Trump removed from the picture so we can all say:
Hello President DeSantis!

Are you actually serious? I am very curious about that. I kind of think Trump is going to run anyways, and cause a huge ruckus in the primary. How do you think that plays out?

 

[FutureInternist]

Being that's how Biden got elected you're probably correct

This is what you voted for….
Rampant racism
Anti-minority
Anti-women
Treason
Insurrection
Thousand upon thousands dead needlessly cos Trump couldn’t just say “I have NO idea, but these lifelong docs too. I am going to listen to them”
Election lies
Election meddling
“White people can’t have their feelings hurt so we can’t truthfully teach what their grandparents did”
Despite court order from a different state, we in FL can take your trans-kid from you


But… you get to save a few $$ on taxes, so good for you

I don’t expect anyone that voted for that traitor to change their mind, since that would require logic… and logic and Republican voters are about as separated as can be

 

[NumTacos]

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That still is so insane to me, that Trump still retains that much support in the Republican party. INSANE!!

 

[FutureInternist]

That still is so insane to me, that Trump still retains that much support in the Republican party. INSANE!!

Much like religion/cult, its impossible to understand…

My neighbours (most are vets) get care at VA, get benefits, get housing assistance… yet complain about “Socialism”

If they had more than 3 brain cells, they wouldn’t be Republican supporters

ONLY way to maybe have a shot at having Dems win again is by recruiting new voters (which is also why Reps make it soooo hard for younger & minority folks to vote)

 

[NumTacos]

From a wealth and economic point of view bomb building for other countries does not add anything positive to our bottom line. They aren't buying those bombs from us, and they aren't free to make. It's a drain on our resources. Now one could maybe argue, which may be correct or incorrect, that the bombs are preventing a Russian Communist takeover of the world. Let's just make that wild leap which I don't agree with, then the bombs are preventing a negative, not adding anything positive (On the flip side maybe the bomb giveaway is leading to nuclear war; oh boy!). More simply put, How does a country get richer using it's resources to give away free stuff to other countries? It doesn't.

Military Keynesianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[NumTacos]

You need to take a step back, and look at what you just cited as a source.

Trump supporters say an indictment of Trump supports Trump. This shouldn't surprise anyone. The article also cites MTG and Kevin McCarthy, also Trump sycophants. No surprises. No new information. It would be interesting if they took Republican samples from outside Trump rallies.

Your argument is only about the optics of this indictment being bad, and I might actually agree with you on that. Despite Trump likely being guilty of the crime, for a lot of Americans it will be further evidence of a Deep State conspiracy. But I think if you want to actually be persuasive here you should be arguing why it is bad legal precedent or is ethically bad.

The problem with only arguing that it is optically bad is that the optics can change RADICALLY over the next couple months. For example, suppose this isn't the only indictment that comes out. I think there is still a very real chance an indictment comes down in Georgia for the Raffensberger phone call asking for exactly 11,780 more votes. I think if that were to happen then the optics of this indictment would be negated. There are any number of things that can change the optics of the (still potential) New York indictment.

I agree. You are in a weird place where you wish justice wouldn't be served in order to protect your candidate of choice. Odd way to look at things.....almost cynical one could say.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

This is what you voted for….
Rampant racism
Anti-minority
Anti-women
A Pervert
Treason
A year of Insurrection
Thousand upon thousands dead
Illegal Fentanyl
Criminal Advocate Prosecutors
Inflation
Election lies
Election meddling

I don’t expect anyone that voted for that traitor to change their mind, since that would require logic…

You're confused. I didn't vote for Biden. Throw your coocoo list at someone that did.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Much like religion/cult, its impossible to understand…

My neighbours (most are vets) get care at VA, get benefits, get housing assistance… yet complain about “Socialism”

If they had more than 3 brain cells, they wouldn’t be Republican supporters

ONLY way to maybe have a shot at having Dems win again is by recruiting new voters (which is also why Reps make it soooo hard for younger & minority folks to vote)

You sound very angry. That could be the source of the majority of your false information.

 

[RadOncDoc21]

Much like religion/cult, its impossible to understand…

My neighbours (most are vets) get care at VA, get benefits, get housing assistance… yet complain about “Socialism”

If they had more than 3 brain cells, they wouldn’t be Republican supporters

ONLY way to maybe have a shot at having Dems win again is by recruiting new voters (which is also why Reps make it soooo hard for younger & minority folks to vote)

They know they will never win the majority vote so try to find (create) other ways to win.

 

[FutureInternist]

You're confused. I didn't vote for Biden. Throw your coocoo list at someone that did

This is the level of stupidity and denial we have to overcome…. Tough job but no other option

 

[FutureInternist]

They know they will never win the majority vote so try to find (create) other ways to win.

The fewer people that vote (specially younger and minority) the harder it is to elect Republicans..

Texas also has an initiative banning voting on college campuses…

Wonder why that is…

Can’t win honestly
Bitch about fraud when they lose
Try to overthrow the will of the people
“Party of law & order”

Idaho lawmakers move forward with bills limiting ways to vote. Students push back

Two lawsuits have been filed against Idaho’s new law eliminating student IDs as a valid form of voter identification.

www.yahoo.com

 

[epidural man]

Being that's how Biden got elected you're probably correct

I disagree. That is what a lot of MAGA folks can’t understand. They think people voted FOR Biden. Some did I’m sure, but most would have voted for ANYTHING other than Drumph.

I have a friend who thinks there was something funny going on with the election because he just can’t wrap his head around the shear numbers that actually voted for Biden (it was a huge number). But if one considers the idea that many were not voting FOR Biden, it makes a lot more sense.

One thing I can’t get my head around, is why MAGA supporters can’t see how divisive Drumph is (or they don’t care which is probably worse). I agree that he had some great policies. But you can’t tell me that in this big old country, there isn’t a SINGLE person who thinks similarly (policy wise) that isn’t such a dickhead, cruel and mean, dishonest, and such a horrible businessmen? There isn’t a single person?

It blows my mind.

 

[epidural man]

The fewer people that vote (specially younger and minority) the harder it is to elect Republicans..

Texas also has an initiative banning voting on college campuses…

Wonder why that is…

Can’t win honestly
Bitch about fraud when they lose
Try to overthrow the will of the people
“Party of law & order”

Idaho lawmakers move forward with bills limiting ways to vote. Students push back

Two lawsuits have been filed against Idaho’s new law eliminating student IDs as a valid form of voter identification.

www.yahoo.com

I think you misunderstand.

Or are you mischaracterizing the argument on purpose?

No one in Idaho (we Idahoans are a wonderful people) is trying to limit voting to those who have a right to vote. Those for voter IDs are also for making it seamless and extremely easy for someone to get the ID. I would dare say - they would even allow use of government funds to get the task done.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

I think you misunderstand.

Or are you mischaracterizing the argument on purpose?

No one in Idaho (we Idahoans are a wonderful people) is trying to limit voting to those who have a right to vote. Those for voter IDs are also for making it seamless and extremely easy for someone to get the ID. I would dare say - they would even allow use of government funds to get the task done.

Not every state pushing voter IDs is trying to make it easy.

 

[NumTacos]

I think you misunderstand.

Or are you mischaracterizing the argument on purpose?

No one in Idaho (we Idahoans are a wonderful people) is trying to limit voting to those who have a right to vote. Those for voter IDs are also for making it seamless and extremely easy for someone to get the ID. I would dare say - they would even allow use of government funds to get the task done.

What’s your issue with a voter using a valid student ID then? I would, daresay, point out that the task of getting a student ID is indeed a product of “government funds”. I am sure there are many wonderful Idahoans, but trust me, many of those beautiful people are not really interested in truly fair and representative elections.

 

[deleted875186]

I think you misunderstand.

Or are you mischaracterizing the argument on purpose?

No one in Idaho (we Idahoans are a wonderful people) is trying to limit voting to those who have a right to vote. Those for voter IDs are also for making it seamless and extremely easy for someone to get the ID. I would dare say - they would even allow use of government funds to get the task done.

Republicans admit that very few students vote with student IDs, and fraud is ridiculously rare, but yet they want stricter ID requirements and will even waste government funds to make voter ID cards. Totally hypocritical seeing as the republican motto is less government spending and useless programs ….. the only reason republicans pass these laws is to make it harder for younger and poorer populations to vote, because they all vote democrat, cannot deny it, and eventually the younger generation will make every election all democrat.

 

[deleted1156722]

Wouldn’t it be just simple and easy to standardize the state-issued REAL ID drivers license ( or state issued non-driver REAL ID) as a valid ID for voting across the country? After all, REAL IDs are becoming the standard requirement for airlines across the country beginning May 2023.

After all, the fee range is only $14-$45 for 4 years of drivers license in all 50 states (maybe these fees can even be waived by the individual states instead of lawmakers passing more bills or contesting those bills regarding the creation of /processing more Govt issued voter IDs).

This would address the Dem’s core issue of providing voting access, rights and eliminating costs for underprivileged members of the society, while simultaneously addressing the GOP core issue of maintaining voting integrity and fraud prevention in elections.

It is just as unfair for Dems to ask for “no voter ID” citing that as barrier to voting for citizens, just as it is unfair for Texas GOP to allow concealed carry permit for voting, but not student ID as valid IDs.

 

[NumTacos]

Trump also seems to get along well with dictators…I wouldn’t say that’s normally a good quality to have, but with the current global environment maybe it is???

Man, you have lost the plot. Being on “good terms” with dictators is a good thing? Sure, I want my President to have a constructive, working relationship with world leaders if at all possible, but good lord, listen to yourself.

 

[pgg]

But you can’t tell me that in this big old country, there isn’t a SINGLE person who thinks similarly (policy wise) that isn’t such a dickhead, cruel and mean, dishonest, and such a horrible businessmen? There isn’t a single person?

There are plenty of such people but the MAGA cult doesn't want such a person.

They say his abusiveness is a feature, not a bug. They genuinely want someone who is openly belligerent toward their ideological opponents (as vaguely as they define that). They think he's someone who'll fight "the swamp" for them.

They say his dishonesty is "fake news". The same people who were frothing at the mouth about Clinton lying about a blowjob don't care that Trump illegally used campaign funds to pay off some third rate porn star.

They say he's a great businessman. Most of us understand he probably isn't even actually a billionaire behind his shell game of debts and assets. We understand that he has mostly squandered away a large inheritance, and that every business venture he has engaged in except for The Apprentice has either failed or generally lost money. They constantly cry out about real billionaires like Soros and Gates spending money on various causes. They obviously know what real billionaires look like. They obviously know what real billionaires do. But their "billionaire" Trump is constantly fundraising and NOT spending money on various causes. And they can't connect the dots to see he's a fraud and con man, through and through.


While what's left of the Trump cult is mostly hardcore true believers at this point, living in a warped distorted alternate reality fueled by whacko news outlets and internet meme posters, it's the fringes of the Trumpcloud that are most interesting to me. I have to concluded that it's mostly rationalization and mental moral gymnastics to justify their decision to vote for a person they know is an awful human being and grossly incompetent, because they favored "his policies" or wanted R v W overturned. Plenty of examples right here in these threads.

 

[epidural man]

Republicans admit that very few students vote with student IDs, and fraud is ridiculously rare, but yet they want stricter ID requirements and will even waste government funds to make voter ID cards. Totally hypocritical seeing as the republican motto is less government spending and useless programs ….. the only reason republicans pass these laws is to make it harder for younger and poorer populations to vote, because they all vote democrat, cannot deny it, and eventually the younger generation will make every election all democrat.

I disagree.

From EVERY republican I have spoken with, they care DEEPLY about fair elections from US CITIZENS. They don't care about supressing a vote. That is a boogie-man argument.

Sure, they hate big government - but they also believe strongly in law.

Here is a podcast that is really great. If one (like a lot of people on here) sees through rose-colored political lenses, they have a really really hard time understanding the viewpoint of the other person and often they think the other person is being disingenuous or evil. But I think, if one tries to actually understand what the other person's concern is - they may be able to come to an understanding. Voter ID is a perfect example of this. Both sides have reasonable arguments, and the solution is very easy if people listen and actually BELIEVE the concerns of the other side.

Red Brain, Blue Brain - Hidden Brain Media

We often assume our life experiences are the root of our political ideologies. But what if there is something deeper at play?

hiddenbrain.org

 

[epidural man]

Think about this -

TONS of disparaging remarks on this thread about Christians.

Do you think if I said such condescending and mean remarks about Jews, or Muslims, or Sikhs - I would be cancelled? Maybe even kicked off the forum?

Just curious.....

 

[NumTacos]

I disagree.

From EVERY republican I have spoken with, they care DEEPLY about fair elections from US CITIZENS. They don't care about supressing a vote. That is a boogie-man argument.

Sure, they hate big government - but they also believe strongly in law.

Here is a podcast that is really great. If one (like a lot of people on here) sees through rose-colored political lenses, they have a really really hard time understanding the viewpoint of the other person and often they think the other person is being disingenuous or evil. But I think, if one tries to actually understand what the other person's concern is - they may be able to come to an understanding. Voter ID is a perfect example of this. Both sides have reasonable arguments, and the solution is very easy if people listen and actually BELIEVE the concerns of the other side.

Red Brain, Blue Brain - Hidden Brain Media

We often assume our life experiences are the root of our political ideologies. But what if there is something deeper at play?

hiddenbrain.org

The concerns are misplaced though. The idea that there is massive voter fraud has been debunked ad nauseum. I’m listening to you and believe you are sincere, but Republicans have made it very clear that the purpose of these voter ID laws is to make it harder to vote, it has nothing to do with fraud.

 

[epidural man]

The concerns are misplaced though. The idea that there is massive voter fraud has been debunked ad nauseum. I’m listening to you and believe you are sincere, but Republicans have made it very clear that the purpose of these voter ID laws is to make it harder to vote, it has nothing to do with fraud.

spend some time talking to more republicans that you like and trust. You may change your mind on this.

 

[rowsdower88]

Jews, or Muslims, or Sikhs

If Jews, Muslims or Sikhs were arguing for a theocratic ethnostate in America the way many American Evangelicals do AND wielded the voting block that Evangelicals do, I would be more concerned about them too.

Here's the test of the system you want to see: I hereby condemn all Muslims who want sharia law enforced in the US!

 

[epidural man]

Here's the test of the system you want to see: I hereby condemn all Muslims who want sharia law enforced in the US!

I suggest re-reading the thread. The spiteful comments about Christians were no where near as specific as this statement about Muslims....not even close.

 

[FutureInternist]

I think you misunderstand.

Or are you mischaracterizing the argument on purpose?

No one in Idaho (we Idahoans are a wonderful people) is trying to limit voting to those who have a right to vote. Those for voter IDs are also for making it seamless and extremely easy for someone to get the ID. I would dare say - they would even allow use of government funds to get the task done.

Students IDs cant be used… thats not affecting retirees (who usually vote Rep).

Texas doesn’t allow college ID but does allow CCW ID… who does that help 🤔

With the election lies touted by Trump, Republicans and FauxNews, but no findings of widespread voter fraud by Trump’s hand-picked AG, it is just a smokescreen to disenfranchise more voters.

Gerrymander.
Put all minorities in as few districts as possible to limit their effect
Not allow family members (why does it even need to be that) to take my ballot to drop off
Close polling stations in minority areas (Harris county in Texas with > 1 million people has ONE drop off location- big cities tend to vote Dem)
Not allow drive through voting

 

[epidural man]

Students IDs cant be used… thats not affecting retirees (who usually vote Rep).

Texas doesn’t allow college ID but does allow CCW ID… who does that help 🤔

With the election lies touted by Trump, Republicans and FauxNews, but no findings of widespread voter fraud by Trump’s hand-picked AG, it is just a smokescreen to disenfranchise more voters.

Gerrymander.
Put all minorities in as few districts as possible to limit their effect
Not allow family members (why does it even need to be that) to take my ballot to drop off
Close polling stations in minority areas (Harris county in Texas with > 1 million people has ONE drop off location- big cities tend to vote Dem)
Not allow drive through voting

You should really listen to that podcast I posted above.

 

[BLADEMDA]

I suggest re-reading the thread. The spiteful comments about Christians were no where near as specific as this statement about Muslims....not even close.

Don't waste your time on this...its not worth it. Dust off your shoes and walk away. These days there is more hate on the left numerically than the right. The left wants to use the power of government, DOJ, DA, etc to enforce their ideology. That's why if you are a political target the left will prosecute you but if you are a criminal they let you go free.

 

[rowsdower88]

Don't waste your time on this...its not worth it. Dust off your shoes and walk away. These days there is more hate on the left numerically than the right. The left wants to use the power of government, DOJ, DA, etc to enforce their ideology. That's why if you are a political target the left will prosecute you but if you are a criminal they let you go free.

Won't anyone think of the poor defenseless January 6th protesters, the conservative law professors, and the forgotten landlords of the world! For too long our people have been kept down!

 

[vector2]

spend some time talking to more republicans that you like and trust. You may change your mind on this.

Do you have any evidential or factual basis for not trusting Trump-appointee Chris Krebs and the rest of CISA when they said 2020 was a secure election?

Repudiating Trump, officials say election 'most secure'

WASHINGTON (AP) — It's hard to put it any more bluntly: "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised.”

apnews.com

 

[NumTacos]

spend some time talking to more republicans that you like and trust. You may change your mind on this.

Tell you what, I will listen to that podcast, and let you know how it goes. Trust me though, I come from a very conservative family and half of my friends are Republicans, so I am willing to listen.

 

[NumTacos]

You should really listen to that podcast I posted above.

Also, when you say I should listen to Republicans about their concerns about voting fraud, where do they or you get their information so I can be better informed?

 

[NumTacos]

Don't waste your time on this...its not worth it. Dust off your shoes and walk away. These days there is more hate on the left numerically than the right. The left wants to use the power of government, DOJ, DA, etc to enforce their ideology. That's why if you are a political target the left will prosecute you but if you are a criminal they let you go free.

Good lord. Really?

 

[deleted1156722]

Wouldn’t it be just simple and easy to standardize the state-issued REAL ID drivers license ( or state issued non-driver REAL ID) as a valid ID for voting across the country? After all, REAL IDs are becoming the standard requirement for airlines across the country beginning May 2023.

After all, the fee range is only $14-$45 for 4 years of drivers license in all 50 states (maybe these fees can even be waived by the individual states instead of lawmakers passing more bills or contesting those bills regarding the creation of /processing more Govt issued voter IDs).

This would address the Dem’s core issue of providing voting access, rights and eliminating costs for underprivileged members of the society, while simultaneously addressing the GOP core issue of maintaining voting integrity and fraud prevention in elections.

It is just as unfair for Dems to ask for “no voter ID” citing that as barrier to voting for citizens, just as it is unfair for Texas GOP to allow concealed carry permit for voting, but not student ID as valid IDs.

And may I add to the above comment that the State issued REAL ID is really inexpensive and less than the cost of one 6-pack beer in most states!

Anyway, no one seems to be objecting to folks needing to show their valid drivers license ID for purchasing EtOH!