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What vaccines have you had?

  • Diphtheria/Pertussis

    Votes: 161 62.4%
  • Hepatisis A

    Votes: 131 50.8%
  • Hepatisis B

    Votes: 222 86.0%
  • Flu

    Votes: 117 45.3%
  • Lyme Disease

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Measles/Mumps/Rubella

    Votes: 245 95.0%
  • Meningococcal disease

    Votes: 126 48.8%
  • Polio

    Votes: 164 63.6%
  • Rabies

    Votes: 30 11.6%
  • Rotavirus

    Votes: 12 4.7%
  • Rubella

    Votes: 138 53.5%
  • Smallpox

    Votes: 69 26.7%
  • Tetanus

    Votes: 223 86.4%
  • Tuberculosis

    Votes: 53 20.5%
  • Typhoid Fever

    Votes: 52 20.2%
  • Varicella (Chickenpox)

    Votes: 51 19.8%
  • Yellow Fever

    Votes: 50 19.4%
  • Other ... explain

    Votes: 12 4.7%
  • I do not have any immunizations (please let us know why)

    Votes: 6 2.3%

  • Total voters
    258
ForeverStudent said:
You do know that the human body can fight disease on it's own, right?

You do know people die from all of these diseases, right? And not generally people who contract it from a vaccination.
This thread is just silly. Anyone seen Chuck Norris lately?
 
ForeverStudent said:
It was naturally eradicated. There is no vaccine that is given to thousands of children that contain smallpox.
How's that for logic? 😉
Uh, I know this is from page three, but I wanted to correct you on this. Smallpox was eliminated in the following way:

1. People noticed those who survived where thenceforth immune.
2. Variolation was performed, transferring the pus of a pox blister to a healthy individual.
3. Vaccination was invented, using the closely-related cowpox strain
4. A modern vaccine was created from a weak strain of smallpox

I’m skipping some details, and don’t have any irrefutable sources for you right now (learned in Virology, and available here), but this is the gist of it. It obviously wasn’t naturally eradicated.


And for your babies and breastmilk thing, yes, the baby does get passive immunity from the mother through milk (IgA) and earlier through the placenta (IgG). But onlyimmunity to diseases the mother is immune to. The baby gets no active B or T cells against the disease.


I agree that it's sad those Amish families got polio from the revertant polio vaccine. But A) they wouldn't have gotten it if they had been vaccinated, B) it's not dangerous enough to paralyze, and C) at least they didn't get real polio, which they may have had it not been eradicated from the US by vaccines.
 
mshheaddoc said:
Ok, so you have natural immunity to all diseases with vaccines out there?
Yes, including smallpox, just not Rubella, but I really question the accuracy of that test. And, I am not afraid of Rubella.

mshheaddoc said:
Since I know no one who hasn't had their immunizations (I come from a state where it is mandatory) how does that work?
There are no states that list it as mandatory. Every single person has the right to say no to vaccinations.
mshheaddoc said:
And how does that work worldwide in these other countries you state that don't have vaccination yet have a high ID mortality rate? Why are these people dying they need natural immunity?
If you read my post and the links provided, you would see that I never say anything about other countries infant mortality rate, so I don't get why you are asking.

As for a matter of fact, the countries that have fewer vaccinations do have fewer infant mortality rates, SIDS rates, Autism, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.
I really do suggest reading the links.
 
I think an important point here (and one that has maybe been gotten at indirectly) is that we're all pre-health people for the most part and so the risk/benefit analysis is skewed. Would I be as concerned about getting Hep B (or any other of the thousands of diseases) if I were just going to work out on a farm or something? Maybe not, maybe for some people it wouldn't be worth the risk at that point. But working in a hospital, with sick patients, I think the risk of contracting something is far above and beyond what most non-medical personnel would face, and therefore I would want to take every precaution, not just for myself, but for my family, my coworkers, my friends, etc...
 
dajimmers said:
Uh, I know this is from page three, but I wanted to correct you on this. Smallpox was eliminated in the following way:

1. People noticed those who survived where thenceforth immune.
2. Variolation was performed, transferring the pus of a pox blister to a healthy individual.
3. Vaccination was invented, using the closely-related cowpox strain
4. A modern vaccine was created from a weak strain of smallpox

Hate to put in a small diversion from the attempted conversion of the fanatical, but... I thought I'd been briefed that my smallpox vaccination actually contained cowpox, a closely related virus. Am I just misremembering?

-Pemberley

PS Never have battles of wit with the unarmed. 😛
 
WholeLottaGame7 said:
I think an important point here (and one that has maybe been gotten at indirectly) is that we're all pre-health people for the most part and so the risk/benefit analysis is skewed. Would I be as concerned about getting Hep B (or any other of the thousands of diseases) if I were just going to work out on a farm or something? Maybe not, maybe for some people it wouldn't be worth the risk at that point. But working in a hospital, with sick patients, I think the risk of contracting something is far above and beyond what most non-medical personnel would face, and therefore I would want to take every precaution, not just for myself, but for my family, my coworkers, my friends, etc...

WholeLottaGame7, I think I just stole your applause. 🙄

Good point, by the way. I'm seriously surprised by the percentage of us that listed smallpox.

-Pemberley
 
Enough on that, it's pointless.


Pemberly I think the smallpox vaccine was vaccinia virus, it's not cowpox or human small pox, but generates immunity to human small pox.

the 1st smallpox "vaccine" was the cowpox/milkmaid thing that jenner did.
 
I agree that perspective on employment have a huge impact, but additionally with children, some of these diseases are deadly. Not immunizing them can have deadly consequences.

I wonder if you eventually we can have genetic components analyzed before all immunizations to see what reactions one might have. That's a way off but it would be safe.
 
Pemberley said:
PS Never have battles of wit with the unarmed. 😛


Actually that is exactly who you want to battle. That way, you are guaranteed to come out unscathed. And be sure to use germ warfare. The unarmed and the uninoculated shall crumble like a deck of cards before our superior forces. :meanie:
 
Haha it seems reason prevails once again. It's not that I don't think ForeverStudent had valid points, because most of us will run across patients who are against vaccinations at some point, it's just that it should have been obvious to her about 4 pages ago that she was barking up the wrong tree here.

Also, some of her statements were amusing, like the being recruited by Harvard before even applying. Maybe I should stage a holdout until my contract negotiations get me a bigger signing bonus? Does the NCAA have regulations about when medical schools are allowed to first contact you for recruitment purposes? Can I jump straight to the pros? That'd be pretty sweet.
 
Well, I answered the poll and then started reading all the posts and have just kind of been lurking. Reading all 7 pages of this post has reinforced my belief to not get into a debate with anyone who is unwelling to listen to other perspectives. It is like playing tug-o-war with a brick wall, at the end the brick wall is still as smart as a brick wall can be, and your just worn out.

As for different vaccines I have had pretty much everything. Yellow fever, MCG, and even Anthrax (thank you Army). Even though I have had all those vaccines I am still pretty normal, execpt the uncontrollable twitches when I hear a cow-bell. Seriously, I have never had any bad side affects. And when you go to basic training you walk through a line of medics, one on each side, each one with a different vaccine and then get to chase it with the oral polio vaccine.

For those who have never had the anthrax vaccine, it is not so bad. You get the needle in the arm and nothing happens... until about 30 seconds later when you get a burning sensation in your arm that last about a day or two.
 
Hm, did anyone look at ForeverStudent's posting history? It's almost all about immunizations. But I guess who can argue with someone who've travelled all over the world doing extensive research into immunizations (while working as a doula and raising six kids!) AND who've been recruited by Harvard AND has parents who are both PhDs AND a sis at Dartmouth.....geesh, such an illustrious background. I'm intimadated. 🙄

Anyhoo, back on target, I did all my vacs except for one because doc said I'd have a bad reaction to it (?)....even did smallpox (in China where it was not taken off the vac list until 1983). I hate needles but better than catching nasty little diseases I guess.
 
Wow, did I finally make it to the end of this thread. As you can now see, there are 2 people that have voted "no." obviously, ForeverStudent was one. I was the other one. I was raised in a family that didn't believe that vaccinations were a good thing, yada yada yada...

On a serious note, what are the standard vaccinations that you have to have to get into clinicals. I understand you might make it past the first 2 years, but it seems like you hit a brick wall at year 3. I ask because I want to get mine before I graduate and am no longer covered by my parents' insurance. If the insurance won't cover them, I want to get them cheap at the student clinic. My cousin who is finishing up a dental hygienest(sp?) program had to get her vaccinations before she could go into clinicals. Her mom is even more against vaccinations than ForeverStudent, but she couldn't find a way around them while still being able to do clinical training. The Freedom of Religion thing ForeverStudent is referring to is probably the same "Immunization Exemption by Religious Grounds" form I've carried with me through school. That form didn't hold up when my cousin started her clinical program. They pretty much told her to get them or leave the program. My aunt (cousin's mom)works for the Dept. of Health & Environmental Control, so she of all people should know how the system works when it comes to these issues(at least in my state).

On that note, what religions are actually against vaccinations? I can see how Jehovah's witness would be against it, but I know that most Protestant denominations never say anything about the issue. I wonder what would have happened had someone ever questioned what religion I was a member of? I was once told to say "Christian Scientist," but I don't know their stance on vaccines, so that might not even work. What a greatly religious thing to do, lie about your religion for personal reasons...
 
USCguy said:
On a serious note, what are the standard vaccinations that you have to have to get into clinicals.

Generally, I'm pretty sure you are required to have the DT (DPT?), MMR, Varicella, polio, TB test (PPD) and Hep B, or else proof of positive immune titres. Flu shots are generally not a bad idea if you are going to be in the ED during the winter months, but that is not required. I think that's it, but if I'm missing one folks can correct me.
 
TOM CRUISE: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do... Matt, you don't even-- you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's-- where's the medical test?

Replace "psychiatry" and "ritalin" with "vaccinations".
 
Ahhhhhhhh . . . . sweet victory :meanie:

(just got home or I would have rejoiced in the banning of ForeverStudent much sooner)
 
browniegirl86 said:
Ahhhhhhhh . . . . sweet victory :meanie:

(just got home or I would have rejoiced in the banning of ForeverStudent much sooner)

Your welcome. (I'm taking credit for the haldol shot, it just took about an hour to work).

Coincidentally I ran into a statement on the autism MMR connection by the guy who will hopefully be my boss this summer:

"...this theory of the link between MMR and autism is implausible. For the theory to be correct a series of miracles would have to occur."

M. Gershon

I like the guy already.
 
browniegirl86 said:
Who got the TB vaccine? From other countries? It's usually recommended against in the US because it gives a positive PPD skin test.

*whew*

I had to have the TB vaccinations several times. The first time I had it was when I worked in a retirement home. The second one was to work in my current workplace which is a chemistry lab. They required everyone to have a very complete physical and I think they had to check for TB as well... Wait, maybe what I did wasn't a vaccine. They just checked for TB. Which I didn't have.
 
I am sorry I didn't get in on the fun of this thread earlier. FS is one of the most entertaining trolls in a while. Let us observe a moment of silence for her tragic, yet necessary and ultimately unavoidable, banning.
 
Here's an interesting question . . . say a vaccine costs $500/dose. Say a given population tends to be susceptible, such that 400,000 new people enter that class each year (nurses, college students, doesn't really matter). On average 20 deaths/year will be prevented. That is at a cost to society of $10,000,000/death prevented (and yes, even if parents pay for it, it still means some of the resources of the society were put towards that use, doesn't matter whether it is government or individually funded, someone paid for it).

Ignoring side effects, only considering costs, do you still vaccinate your family members?

Do you still recomend to your patients they get vaccinated?

The reason I ask is because meningitis falls in this sort of catagory (I made up these numbers, but the idea is the same). And as a society we make compromises on the dollar value of life all the time. I.e we could require much safer cars, but they would be too expensive for many to afford, or we could lower speed limits, but people put a value on their time, etc. Just curious what people think.

Personally I would get my family members vaccinated anyway. Patients, however, I would make sure knew how rare the disease in question was but ultimately offer the choice up to them, not really make a suggestion one way or the other.
 
Dakota said:
Ignoring side effects, only considering costs, do you still vaccinate your family members?

Do you still recomend to your patients they get vaccinated?

Personally I would get my family members vaccinated anyway. Patients, however, I would make sure knew how rare the disease in question was but ultimately offer the choice up to them, not really make a suggestion one way or the other.

i'd urge my family to get vaccinated but as a physician, isn't it one's job to inform the patient of all options and leave the choice up to them? you can certainly have, and offer, an opinion but it all comes down to the choice of the patient.

also, after following this thread for 7 pages, thank goodness the nonsense has been eliminated! i don't think a thread has ever made me so angry/frustrated!!!
 
dbhvt said:
Your welcome. (I'm taking credit for the haldol shot, it just took about an hour to work).

Coincidentally I ran into a statement on the autism MMR connection by the guy who will hopefully be my boss this summer:

"...this theory of the link between MMR and autism is implausible. For the theory to be correct a series of miracles would have to occur."

M. Gershon

I like the guy already.

We had a lengthy discussion of this topic at the beginning of M1 year micro/immuno. For those who haven't heard...anti-vaccine people will cite that there appears to be a correlation btwn. children receiving the MMR and development of Autism. I don't have the sources handy, but an in depth investigation was of course launched and the conclusions drawn were this (in a nutshell):

-- The time period in which most cases of Autism is diagnosed correlated w/ the period of time that children are given the MMR. This in no way, shape, or form meant that the MMR CAUSED children to develop Autism. It just happened to be that the age when you can see the social and cognitive symptoms of Autism was shortly after the age which kids are given the MMR.

Hope this helps for anyone thinking WTF about the whole Autism thing.
 
LT2 said:
i'd urge my family to get vaccinated but as a physician, isn't it one's job to inform the patient of all options and leave the choice up to them? you can certainly have, and offer, an opinion but it all comes down to the choice of the patient.

That's why they call it 'informed consent'
 
I don't need vaccinations. I've never been sick. I have a perfect immune system.

I know what you're going to say..."But CA, if you've never been sick, you don't have any antibodies!" :laugh:

Don't need those either...superior genes. And superior brainpower. Through concentration I can raise or lower my cholesterol at will.

"Why would you want to raise your cholesterol? 😕 "

So I can lower it. 🙄
 
noelleruckman said:
I had to have the TB vaccinations several times. The first time I had it was when I worked in a retirement home. The second one was to work in my current workplace which is a chemistry lab. They required everyone to have a very complete physical and I think they had to check for TB as well... Wait, maybe what I did wasn't a vaccine. They just checked for TB. Which I didn't have.

Skin test. Be glad you didn't have the vaccine or it's likely that every time you needed a TB test you'd end up having to get/pay for a chest X-ray.
 
browniegirl86 said:
Skin test. Be glad you didn't have the vaccine or it's likely that every time you needed a TB test you'd end up having to get/pay for a chest X-ray.


yup, pretty much but if there's the slightest chance that my body will put up more of a fight with TB than if i hadn't been vaccinated, then whatever.

it's only happened to me 3 times so far. 1) for college 2) for my job in the hospital and 3) for med school. everyone at the hospital is required to get a PPD every year except people like me. we just walk in, they ask if we have night sweats or cough or loss of weight and then signoff on the yearly test.

the first time i had a PPD in the US was in high school. it was like massively positive (70mm vs the 10mm limit) and the doc wanted me to take some drug for months to clear the antibodies(?). my parents refused because it can cause liver damage and what's the harm in possibly having some immunity? i haven't had trouble since then though - straight to xray for me and no need to go back 2 days later to get a PPD checked.

i think (not sure) the reason it's not given in the US is that the incidence of TB is low and the BCG vaccine is not super effective so they would rather just not vaccinate anyone and be able to monitor incidences of TB with PPD tests (which is impossible if the entire population had the BCG shot).
 
Dakota said:
Here's an interesting question . . . say a vaccine costs $500/dose. Say a given population tends to be susceptible, such that 400,000 new people enter that class each year (nurses, college students, doesn't really matter). On average 20 deaths/year will be prevented. That is at a cost to society of $10,000,000/death prevented (and yes, even if parents pay for it, it still means some of the resources of the society were put towards that use, doesn't matter whether it is government or individually funded, someone paid for it).

Ignoring side effects, only considering costs, do you still vaccinate your family members?

Do you still recomend to your patients they get vaccinated?

The reason I ask is because meningitis falls in this sort of catagory (I made up these numbers, but the idea is the same). And as a society we make compromises on the dollar value of life all the time. I.e we could require much safer cars, but they would be too expensive for many to afford, or we could lower speed limits, but people put a value on their time, etc. Just curious what people think.

Personally I would get my family members vaccinated anyway. Patients, however, I would make sure knew how rare the disease in question was but ultimately offer the choice up to them, not really make a suggestion one way or the other.


Well think of it in terms of hospital costs ... $500 or $5000 for the hospital ....

I'm going to say get the shot.
 
Krazykritter said:
-- The time period in which most cases of Autism is diagnosed correlated w/ the period of time that children are given the MMR. This in no way, shape, or form meant that the MMR CAUSED children to develop Autism. It just happened to be that the age when you can see the social and cognitive symptoms of Autism was shortly after the age which kids are given the MMR.

Hope this helps for anyone thinking WTF about the whole Autism thing.
Well said ... and I stated before, right now they don't know enough about autism or vaccinations in infants to really say anything about it. Yes ... it seems strange that some infants have side effects after vaccinations, maybe they should wait until they are 1 or something of that effect but not enough is known for cause and effect.

As doctors find new conditions there will be some stating that these conditions are directly related to X. They need to prove it though.

But that isn't to say that some of these cases with vaccination reactions isn't true, because some of them are. But for well over the majority, there is only slight reactions.
 
The problem with people still saying there is a autism-vaccination connection is that people can't differentiate between causation and correlation. Unfortunately, I think most Americans aren't that smart to figure this difference out.
 
NonTradMed said:
The problem with people still saying there is a autism-vaccination connection is that people can't differentiate between causation and correlation. Unfortunately, I think most Americans aren't that smart to figure this difference out.
excellent point :laugh: Then again, alot of times people "dumb it down" to a point the layman can understand and don't make the CLEAR distinction.

I am all for informed decisions for parents and there are quite a few good websites, but those website have BIASED information.

I do find it interesting the point that I have read in a book that the CDC is in conspiracy with vaccine makers and pharm companies. I feel like I'm in that Mel Gibson movie when I read some of this crap. Oh and the best short article I have ever read is a 3rd year law student stating WHY VACCINES shouldn't be necessary .... :rollseyes: Love his credentials ...
 
WholeLottaGame7 said:
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Is there risk to having your kids vaccinated? Sure. Is there risk to not having your kids vaccinated? Sure. To each their own. She can deal with whatever legal issues if/when necessary.
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I haven't read the whole thread but this is wrong. Each of us has a social responsibility to vaccinate our children, even if there isn't a legal one. It is not right to mooch off of the good decisions made by others so you can make some asanine political statement.
 
THP said:
I haven't read the whole thread but this is wrong. Each of us has a social responsibility to vaccinate our children, even if there isn't a legal one. It is not right to mooch off of the good decisions made by others so you can make some asanine political statement.

Well, it's also not right to hold someone down and force them to get vaccinated against their will. Social responsibilities only apply to those participating in society. The important part here is that our society has said that if you want to participate in X,Y, and Z, you need to get vaccinated. Therefore, if a religious group doesn't want to participate in X,Y, and Z, then there's obviously no obligation for them to get vaccinated. Obviously this only applies to a very few people, since the majority of this country's populations is going to utilize the school system, health system, etc etc.
 
isobel said:
yup, pretty much but if there's the slightest chance that my body will put up more of a fight with TB than if i hadn't been vaccinated, then whatever.

it's only happened to me 3 times so far. 1) for college 2) for my job in the hospital and 3) for med school. everyone at the hospital is required to get a PPD every year except people like me. we just walk in, they ask if we have night sweats or cough or loss of weight and then signoff on the yearly test.

the first time i had a PPD in the US was in high school. it was like massively positive (70mm vs the 10mm limit) and the doc wanted me to take some drug for months to clear the antibodies(?). my parents refused because it can cause liver damage and what's the harm in possibly having some immunity? i haven't had trouble since then though - straight to xray for me and no need to go back 2 days later to get a PPD checked.

i think (not sure) the reason it's not given in the US is that the incidence of TB is low and the BCG vaccine is not super effective so they would rather just not vaccinate anyone and be able to monitor incidences of TB with PPD tests (which is impossible if the entire population had the BCG shot).

You are absolutely correct :clap:

I'm definitely all for the TB vaccine in countries with even moderately high rates of the disease. Last summer I actually got to sit in the regional TB clinic at our rural hospital, and I saw some pretty nasty stuff. AND since I hadn't been vaccinated I was almost positive I had been exposed (sitting 3 feet from a man hacking constantly with a TB cost, I figured it was inevitable). Luckily, my test reaction was early and faded by the time I got it checked.

The good thing is that even in a remote part of India they are implementing the WHO DOTS program, which definitely works unless the patient is unfortunate enough to get a super-resistant strain.


On a side note, 70 mm is HUGE! Your immune system is HARDCORE!!! 😎
 
I have to prove via titers and records that I've have had the Hep B, varicella, MMR and Td vaccines and still have a sufficient immunological response prior to entering med school this July. I had chicken pox as a child and my mom got me vaccinated for the others, except Hep B. I got the Hep B in undergrad. My titers were "equivocal" for Mumps and Measles so I investigated this a bit and found that it is not uncommon for people to lose their immunity during adulthood. So, you all may want to get boosters. The med school requires me to get revaccinated for Mumps and Measles.

Assuming that the side effects were minimal, I'd get any vaccine I could afford, even if the risk of actually coming in contact with the disease was low. Why not? I just found out that my city offers Hep A for 10 bucks so I'll be getting that soon, too. I am pushing my hubby to get titers drawn and possibly revaccinated, too. I figure I'll be bringing stuff home whether I like it or not and it can't hurt for him to be protected.

I wonder if we should still be getting the Polio/smallpox vaccines? If I could, I'd get it. I think these diseases could become a bigger problem in my lifetime. Isn't it only a matter of time before we see a serious outbreak of these or other diseases in the developed world? The scarier thing is that the cause of such an outbreak may not be intentional, despite what we constantly hear about bioterrorism.
 
WholeLottaGame7 said:
Therefore, if a religious group doesn't want to participate in X,Y, and Z, then there's obviously no obligation for them to get vaccinated.

And that's fine, so long as they don't then suggest that they should be allowed to become physicians notwithstanding refusal to have basic vaccinations.
 
Rogue Synapse said:
TOM CRUISE: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do... Matt, you don't even-- you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's-- where's the medical test?

Replace "psychiatry" and "ritalin" with "vaccinations".

:laugh: 👍
 
NonTradMed said:
The problem with people still saying there is a autism-vaccination connection is that people can't differentiate between causation and correlation. Unfortunately, I think most Americans aren't that smart to figure this difference out.

I thought the autism thing was linked to mercury (some vaccines contained them?).

Vaccines have not always been safe (ex. SV40 in polio vaccine) but the concept of vaccination is (of course) sound. I think we do need to be strict about quality controls and additives, though.
 
trustwomen said:
I thought the autism thing was linked to mercury (some vaccines contained them?).

this isn't proven or even shown to have a sound mechanism at this point. Mercury like all heavy metals are not that toxic at low doeses and many are infact necessary trace elements we need. The problem comes because heavy metals "bio accumulate" meaning you do not flush them out of your system and they just sit there, so eventually the generation of free radicals and oxidation products they make become toxic. I realize this isn't an indepth explination, and over simplified to a point, but it should be sufficient enough to make my point.
 
My mom was really against vaccinations so I never got them until recently. Seriously, if I had died from lock jaw when I was a kid that would have been ridiculous.
 
browniegirl86 said:
it actually reacted significantly but must have been a low level of infection because by the time the 72 hours were up, the reaction was gone.

The TB skin test can be read 48-72 hours after injection - any induration must be quantitated to interpret.

I don't mean to be a smartass brownie - but the post was hazy 😎 .

And dammit I missed the Trollfest 👎
 
Ever go to the funeral of a child who died from complications of measles or chickenpox? Talk to parents whose child died of meningitis as a young adolescent. There are risks with everything, but losing a child from a disease that was avoidable is a life long tragedy for the rest of the family.
 
LabMonster said:
The TB skin test can be read 48-72 hours after injection - any induration must be quantitated to interpret.

I don't mean to be a smartass brownie - but the post was hazy 😎 .

And dammit I missed the Trollfest 👎

Thanks, no you're absolutely right. I should have been more specific.

The induration was around 8 mm (a little small I think) and disappeared within about 36 hours. But DURING those 36 hours I admit I was freaking out a little!

Don't worry, there's always a troll to ban . . . somewhere . . . (3 amigos music plays as I ride off into the sunset) 😉
 
mshheaddoc said:
I agree that perspective on employment have a huge impact, but additionally with children, some of these diseases are deadly. Not immunizing them can have deadly consequences.

I wonder if you eventually we can have genetic components analyzed before all immunizations to see what reactions one might have. That's a way off but it would be safe.


The future is wonderful!

Perhaps one day we may even bypass the vaccinations all together and simply "slip" in the proper sequence for whatever antibody we want into our immunity cells.
 
ForeverStudent said:
As an American Citizen you have the right to say no to any or all medical decisions. If you don't know your rights, then you have none.

It is quite easy to get through school with out immunizations, just sign the bottom and check the box that says you object to them and get it notarized.

I, also, think parents should have the right to sue doctors who administer vaccines without their consent.

You make it appear that there are doctors who administer vaccines against your will. Do parents not have the right to sue?

I think vaccines, overall, have been one of the most significant public health initiatives over the past hundred years. We have eliminated some diseases/bacteria/virii almost completely from the biological record.

EDIT: I didn't realize that this thread had 200+ responses, and after reading most of this thread, I see that my response above is way late.
 
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