Interested in psych, but being advised against it.

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i'm definitely interested in psych, but i have yet to meet anybody working outside of psychiatry to recommend it. and there is 1 psych doctor telling me to avoid it. he says psych meds are getting safer, and in the future psychologists and other health professionals outside of medicine will be able to prescribe them. he told me in 10 years everything will change.

this is conflicting from what i have heard, and my own opinions. i feel right now its great to be involved with psychiatry.

i'm sure opinions will be biased here, but still curious as to know what you think about the future of psychiatry in terms of what the psych doc was telling me.

thanks!
 
he says psych meds are getting safer, and in the future psychologists and other health professionals outside of medicine will be able to prescribe them. he told me in 10 years everything will change.

I agree that psychiatric medications are improving in efficacy and side effect profile but that's not related to the rate at which other health professionals will prescribe them. We know this to be true because family practitioners have been prescribing far more psychiatric drugs than psychiatrists for years. Whether or not we add clinical psychologists to this group of "other health professionals who prescribe" is unlikely to rock the boat. In addition, if you are concerned by other practitioners writing psychiatric prescriptions, the best way to remain competitive is to have the most knowledge and expertise. No one can argue that psychiatrists are not the most adept at understanding these medications. The psychopharmacologic knowledge base of "other health professionals" such NP, PA, PhD, PsyD etc. does not equal what we have with 4 years of medical school + 4 years of psychiatry residency. No insult intended to these providers as they are an invaluable part of the team, but this is a fact.

I'm always amused by physicians who like to pretend they are oracles. Yes, in 10 years "everything will change." However, huge changes occur in every specialty every 10 years! Its the nature of progress. The reason to pursue psychiatry residency is so that you are on the leading edge of that progress.

Don't be dissuaded by those who are unhappy with the current status or future status of the profession. If you find mental illness fascinating and have a particular compassion for this patient population, you will do well to train in psychiatry. Due to the multifaceted nature of psychiatry training you'll find your niche in the future no matter how the market sways.
 
Although those are common fears that I have heard, and although there is certainly some substance to those fears, psychiatry is hardly alone in facing similar challenges.

Anaesthesia facing an increasingly bolde and vocal challenges from nurse anaesthetists who demand ever greater autonomy and power. According to a recent article in Yahoo Finance, NAs already make more money on average than the typical FM doctor. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Specialist-nurses-paid-higher-hmoney-2327465018.html?x=0) In the article they interview the senior director of the American Association of Nurse Anaesthetists who states, "We are at the head of the patient's bed. We deliver anesthesia and we keep the patient safe [...] once nurses and physicians arrive at anesthesia training, we use the same textbooks and same cases. The training is not too different between the two groups [...] We all deliver anesthesia the same way." I cannot help but glean a tone of irreverance from her. NA are lobbying now for prescription-writing privileges. Now, I'm not discounting the vital part that NAs play in the surgical case, but it seems that a vocal minority of NAs seem to think they know almost as much as the M.D. anaesthesiologists and deserve to be given nearly equal power and autonomy. I'm sure our friends in anaesthesia disagree. Are anaesthesiologists going to become obsolete? Perhaps their numbers will decrease, as one single anaesthesiologist may supervise an entire surgical floor of NAs, I cannot say. But their field will adapt, as will ours.

Speaking of our friends in Family Medicine, they too face increasingly strong challenge from Nurse Practioners. FM docs being paid so low that few medical students choosing to go into FM (only 5 out of 160 in my class, by contrast 22 are going into general surgery, 12 into orthopaedics), but our entire healthcare system is designed with the PCPs as the medical gatekeepers. Who will see all these patients? The obvious and tempting answer is that cheaper, easier-to-train NPs will fill the need. Perhaps like in anaesthesia, one day it will be one FM supervising an entire city of NPs. But with fewer FM docs, the remaining ones will hopefully be compensated more reasonably.

Radiology faces constant fears of outsourcing, since it is a field that does not require direct presence in the hospital. There is already a group of (American-trained) radiologists in Australia who do outsourced film reading for American hosptials. Other hospitals employ group practise of radiologists perhaps a state away who offer more competitive pricing and lay off their in-house staff radiologists. The nightmare day all radiologists fear is when film reading will be outsourced to foreign countries with foreign-trained radiologists. I hate to name names, but [cough] India [cough].

My entire point is that all the specialties are facing identity crises (with the possible exception of dermatologists, who have it pretty freakin' sweet and are running a beautiful artificial supply/demand imbalance racket), and we are all communities of smart professionals who will rise up to the challenge and evolve with the times. With healthcare cost restructuring, our numbers and duties may change, but we'll still be here. And some of the change is unpredictable. The famous case is that a decade ago nobody wanted to go into anaesthesia, and now it is one of the most competitive fields. In another decade the pendulum may swing back the other way because of the NAs. Who knows? But you go into what you love, and you ride out the good and the bad.
 
Actually you can go straight to the horse's mouth and see this thread from the Anaesthesiology board where they fume furiously over the Nurse Anaesthesists.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=708747

Also I don't care how much lobbying power the PsyD and PhDs have, I can never imagine one of them running an inpatient psych unit, managing a psychiatric emergecy department on their own, or performing ECT.
 
In addition I believe we will always have an important niche in the co-morbidity business--I see SOOO many medically ill and at-risk patients, both inpatient and outpatient, where the convergence of medical, mental, chemical, and social ills is such that NO other specialty wants to even try untangling the mess.
 
My entire point is that all the specialties are facing identity crises (with the possible exception of dermatologists, who have it pretty freakin' sweet and are running a beautiful artificial supply/demand imbalance racket)
Well, there are dermatology PAs too. Man, being a derm PA is quite possibly a sweeter gig than being a derm doc since the derm docs had to do a medicine internship!

I do think the role of psychiatry will change, as all of medicine is changing, and we may end up playing a different role in the near future, but I don't think we'll totally pushed out of jobs.
 
Out of all the specialties I think Family Medicine (and general internal medicine to a lesser extent) is the one facing the greatest crisis/breaking point. Psychiatry is doing well by comparison. I feel really bad for our FM colleagues, I actually seriously considered FM before deciding on psych, but not because of the crisis facing FM, more for my personal preference of patient types. However, that makes me feel really bad for them because I think if all specialties were equally compensated FM is a rewarding, excellent field.
 
Out of all the specialties I think Family Medicine (and general internal medicine to a lesser extent) is the one facing the greatest crisis/breaking point. Psychiatry is doing well by comparison. I feel really bad for our FM colleagues, I actually seriously considered FM before deciding on psych, but not because of the crisis facing FM, more for my personal preference of patient types. However, that makes me feel really bad for them because I think if all specialties were equally compensated FM is a rewarding, excellent field.

Thanks for the responses! Great read 🙂

When I first entered med school, I had hopes to be a Surgeon (ashamed to say, I watched lots of ER).

After analyzing why I decided to enter med school, I realized my calling was FM or Psychiatry. Wanted to be able to work one on one with patients, be able to track their progress, stimulating area of clinical interest, every case presents as a new challenge, work with the patients not only on medical issues, but also social and overall well being (more so in FM and psychiatry). Lots of opportunity if I decide to enter research/academic. Just some of the reasons that come to mind. And to think I wanted to be a Surgeon! 😀

I am also torn between preventive medicine and psychiatry. Specifically, preventing heard disease. I'm a big advocate on healthy lifestyle, against smoking, exercising, nutrition. Will I have time to practice this sort of medicine as a psychiatrist?

No matter what, I'm still set on Psychiatry! But its disappointing to hear what people say about the field. I suppose everyone has an opinion though.

Thanks again for the comments.
 
Thanks for the responses! Great read 🙂

When I first entered med school, I had hopes to be a Surgeon (ashamed to say, I watched lots of ER).

After analyzing why I decided to enter med school, I realized my calling was FM or Psychiatry. Wanted to be able to work one on one with patients, be able to track their progress, stimulating area of clinical interest, every case presents as a new challenge, work with the patients not only on medical issues, but also social and overall well being (more so in FM and psychiatry). Lots of opportunity if I decide to enter research/academic. Just some of the reasons that come to mind. And to think I wanted to be a Surgeon! 😀

I am also torn between preventive medicine and psychiatry. Specifically, preventing heard disease. I'm a big advocate on healthy lifestyle, against smoking, exercising, nutrition. Will I have time to practice this sort of medicine as a psychiatrist?
No matter what, I'm still set on Psychiatry! But its disappointing to hear what people say about the field. I suppose everyone has an opinion though.

Thanks again for the comments.

PLENTY of room for research, behavior mod initiatives, etc. in this area.

I try to address this kind of thing frequently in my patient interactions. See also the thread on motivational interviewing from a couple of days ago.
 
Thanks for the responses! Great read 🙂

When I first entered med school, I had hopes to be a Surgeon (ashamed to say, I watched lots of ER).

I too went to medical school thinking I'd be a surgeon, a CT surgeon no less. Then I discovered I hated the OR, and plus I just didn't want to be that sleep-deprived.

I am also torn between preventive medicine and psychiatry. Specifically, preventing heard disease. I'm a big advocate on healthy lifestyle, against smoking, exercising, nutrition. Will I have time to practice this sort of medicine as a psychiatrist?

Well if you want to help people stop doing drugs there's this little thing called addiction psychiatry 😛

Beyond that I think the general consensus is that as a psychiatrist you can do as much primary care as you feel comfortable and competent in doing. My psych attendings on the units will treat most minor primary care stuff themselves instead of calling a medicine consult. And if you're seeing an outpatient, I don't see why you couldn't put in a plug on healthier lifestyle choices after you're done addressing their primary psych issues. Regular exercise is suppose to be protective against depression, isn't it? 😛 Probably couldn't hurt against anxiety disorders either. And studies show depression has a major negative impact on heart disease survival. It's all connected.
 
Or if you still want to hang out with CT surgeons (and have them calling begging for help), you could go the CL psychiatry route and end up in transplant psychiatry.
 
Out of all the specialties I think Family Medicine (and general internal medicine to a lesser extent) is the one facing the greatest crisis/breaking point. Psychiatry is doing well by comparison. I feel really bad for our FM colleagues, I actually seriously considered FM before deciding on psych, but not because of the crisis facing FM, more for my personal preference of patient types. However, that makes me feel really bad for them because I think if all specialties were equally compensated FM is a rewarding, excellent field.

No, you are looking at this all wrong. Primary care is not going to be ruined by midlevels. Anesthesiology might but not primary care. Anesthesiology has minimal patient contact, and people don't know or build relationships with anesthesiologists. They are viewed as technicians that surgeons abuse them as.

A primary care physician is a doctor. It is engrained in our society by songs, and movies. You go to the Doctor. People who are covered by insurance or the government will be hidden from the costs of seeing their doctor. As long as they aren't paying directly for their doctor they won't really care who it is (or who is pretending to be their doctor).

Now, as insurance premiums are going up and people shift to high deductible catastrophic plans, they will foot the bill for the PCP. This means a person paying cash for their PCP will actually care about the finer details. This really means people will want a physician.

Primary care is the field to go into. They will do quite well for themselves, but it is essential that they not take insurance, medicare or medicaid. We are embarking upon a two tiered system. Physicians will continue to be in the upper tier. They is a reason why we train as much as we do. If you choose to stay in the system, then you are agreeing with a system that equates you to a Nurse practitioner and has no qualms with paying, and respecting you like one.
 
Don't worry, if you go into addiction psych you'll see plenty of the CT surgeons. And all the other over-worked, sleep-deprived, misery-laden specialists out there. 😀

In all seriousness, nobody can give you the "right" advice on what you should do. Listen to a lot of opinions, and then toss them all out. Make your own decision about what will make you happiest.

And don't get caught up in all the doom and gloom forecasters out there! Your life and your career are your own, choose what you love and make it wonderful.
 
Side note: I just finished reading a bunch of threads on the Anaesthesiology forum, wow the "secret war" between anaesthesiologists and CRNAs is very intense. It makes the rivalry between psychiatrists and psychologists look like a lovefest. Then again we are the ones always giving hugs to each other, right? 😛
 
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