Interview Invites for 2010 Match

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Does anyone know if all med-derm programs allow you to rank both tracks (combined 5yr and the derm 3 yr) if you are offered an interview?
 
ALABAMA
UAB: 11/16 snail mail (12/12, 12/17)

ARIZONA
Mayo Clinic Scottsdale: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/21)

ARKANSAS
University of Arkansas: 11/12 email (12/4)

CALIFORNIA
Kaiser Permanente - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/18, 1/27)
Loma Linda - 12/02 email (01/15)
Stanford University: 11/24 email (1/9, 1/12)
University of California - Davis: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 12/16)
University of California - Irvine: 11/9 email (12/16, 1/6, 1/13, 1/20)
University of California - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/12, 1/26)
University of California - San Diego: 11/25, 12/1 email (1/9, 1/14)
University of California - San Francisco: 11/24, 12/2 Phone (1/6, MD, 1/13-14, MD/PhD)

COLORADO
University of Colorado - 12/2 email (1/22, 1/25)

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/13 email (01/06)
Yale: 11/23 phone (1/9, 1/16)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Howard University Hospital: 11/19 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22)
Washington Hospital Center: 11/19 email (12/3, 12/17, 1/7, 1/21)

FLORIDA
Mayo Jacksonville: 12/03 email (01/11, 01/12, 11/21, 11/22)
Miami: 12/04 email (01/10)
University of Florida 12/7 email (1/7, 1/14)

GEORGIA
Emory University: 11/23 email (12/17 only one date offered)
Medical College of Georgia: 12/4 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)

ILLINOIS
John H Stroger Hospital of Cook County: 11/30 email (12/15)
Northwestern University: 11/4 phone, 11/24 email (12/2, 1/12, 1/13)
Rush University: 11/25, 12/3 email (1/16 only date offered)
Southern Illinois University: 11/13 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)
University of Illinois COM at Chicago: 10/9, 10/13, 11/31 email

INDIANA
Indiana University: 11/24; 12/3 email (12/9, 1/13)

IOWA
Iowa: 11/19 email (12/9, 12/17, 1/7, 1/14)

KANSAS
University of Kansas: 11/30, 12/1, 12/2 email (1/7, 1/14)

KENTUCKY
University of Louisville: 11/13 email (12/12 only)

LOUISIANA
Tulane: 12/04 email (01/08, 01/09)

MARYLAND:
Johns Hopkins: 11/21 phone call (1/9 only date offered)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston University: 12/1 email (1/13, 1/20)
Harvard Combined Programs: 11/23 pre-rejection email (1/5, 1/10)
University of Massachusetts: 11/27 email (1/11, 1/22, 1/23)

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/18 email (12/7, 12/18, 1/8, 1/15, 1/18)
University of Michigan: 11/10 email (12/5; only date they are offering)
Wayne State: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 1/6)

MINNESOTA:
Mayo Clinic: 11/11 email, 11/19 email (12/7, 12/11, 12/14, 12/18)
University of Minnesota: MD 12/3 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16); Med/Derm: 12/4 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16)

MISSOURI:
Saint Louis University: 11/30 email (2/4, 2/11)
University of Missouri: 12/2 email, 12/4 email (1/7-1/8, 1/21-1/22)
Washington University: 11/20 email (1/9, 1/23)

NEW JERSEY
UMDNJ-Camden: 10/16 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/28)
UMDNJ-Newark: 11/4, 11/6, 12/1 email (11/30, 1/4)

NEW YORK
Cornell: 12/4 email (1/26, 1/27)
NYU: 12/3 email (1/25, 1/26, 1/28)
SUNY at Buffalo: 10/14, 10/15, 10/20 email (12/8, 12/15, 1/12)
SUNY Downstate 11/30 email: 1/6, 1/13 (only 1 date offered per invite)
SUNY Stony Brook: 12/7 email (2/4)
University of Rochester: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/29)

NORTH CAROLINA
Duke: 11/21, 12/4 email (12/16, 1/14)
Pitt County - ECU: 11/2, 11/19, 12/2 phone (12/1, 12/8, 12/15, 01/05, 01/12, 01/19)
UNC: 11/12 email (12/18, 1/8, 1/22)
Wake Forest: 11/20 snail mail (1/8, 1/9, 1/29, 1/30)

OHIO
MetroHealth Case Western: 12/7 email (12/15, 1/5)
Case Western: 12/2 email (12/17)
Ohio State University: 11/17 email (1/22)
University of Cincinnati: 11/17 email (12/17, 1/7)
Wright State: 11/25 email (12/11, 1/11)

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 11/2, 11/9 snail mail (12/3, 1/14)

OREGON
OHSU: 12/7 email (1/15, 1/29)
PENNSYLVANIA
Drexel: 10/21, 11/10 phone (11/19, 12/10, 1/14) <-- per SDN user, they only offer you 1 date when they call you
Geisinger: 11/17 email (12/7, 12/14, 1/4)
Penn State: 11/9 email (12/9, 12/11)
University of Pennsylvania: 12/4 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/15, 1/21, 1/22) <--SDN user was only offered 1 date and does not wish to disclose in case it reveals his/her identity

RHODE ISLAND
Brown University: 11/19 email, 12/2, 12/4 email (12/4, 12/17)

SOUTH CAROLINA
MUSC: 11/2, 11/3 email (12/12, 1/9)

TENNESSEE
UTHSC: 11/11 email (1/8)

TEXAS
Baylor: 11/18 email (1/14, 1/28)
Scott and White: 10/23 email (11/5, 11/19, 12/5)
Texas Tech: 11/9 email (12/10, 12/17, 1/7)
UT Austin: 11/28 email (1/22)
UT San Antonio: 11/9 email (12/4)
UT Southwestern: 11/9 email, 12/3 (12/17, 1/7-1/8, 1/14-1/15)
UTMB Galveston: 12/03 email (2/4, 2/5)

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/24 email, 12/4 email (1/8, 1/29)

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 11/25 email (1/23, 1/24)

VIRGINIA
UVA: 12/01 email (01/21, 01/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University: 12/3 phone, 12/8 email (1/15, 1/22)

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 11/24 (1/15, 1/29)

WISCONSIN
Marshfield Clinic: 11/10 email, 11/18 email, 11/30 email (12/14, 1/11)
Medical College of WI: 11/11 email (12/16, 12/18, 1/11)
University of Wisconsin: 11/18 email (01/05, 01/12, 01/13, 01/19, 01/20, 01/26)
________________________

Rejections

ALABAMA
UAB - 11/23 email

CALIFORNIA
Stanford: 11/25 email
University of California - Irvine: 11/12 email
University of California - San Francisco: 12/3 email
UCLA: 12/4 email

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/16 email
Yale: 11/24 email

ILLINOIS
Northwestern University 11/24 email
SIU: 11/17 email

IOWA
University of Iowa 11/30, 12/2, 12/3, 12/4 email

MARYLAND
Johns Hopkins: 11/24 email

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/20 email
University of Michigan: 11/10 email

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2 email
Washington University: 11/25 email

NEW YORK
SUNY at Buffalo: 11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/10 email

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email
Wake Forest: 11/12 snail mail, 11/30 snail mail

OHIO
Ohio State University: 11/24 email
MetroHealth -Case Western Reserve University: 11/30 email

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 10/19, 11/2, 11/9, 11/14 snail mail

PENNSYLVANIA
Geisinger: 11/18 email
Penn State: 11/13 email

TEXAS
Scott and White: 10/31, 11/9 snail mail
Texas Tech: 11/20, 11/23 email
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston: 12/4 email
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: 11/19 email
University of Texas Southwestern: 11/23 email, 12/01 email

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/25 email

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
Eastern Virginia Medical School - 12/4 email

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 12/2 email


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Waitlists

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email

TEXAS
UT Austin: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
University of Virginia: 12/3 email
 
To all of you OHSU 1/29 interviewees- any chance any of you would switch to 1/15? I would honestly mail you a check. I did an away there and really want to make the interview but I would miss 2 others to get there for the 15th. Please consider and message me if you might consider it!


Hello everyone,

Does anyone know if Miami has a pre-interview dinner.

Thanks

And, in regards to an above post- yes, Miami does have a pre-interview event of some sort- I talked with the program coordinator. It's not a department event but seems to be put together by the residents
 
ALABAMA
UAB: 11/16 snail mail (12/12, 12/17)

ARIZONA
Mayo Clinic Scottsdale: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/21)

ARKANSAS
University of Arkansas: 11/12 email (12/4)

CALIFORNIA
Kaiser Permanente - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/18, 1/27)
Loma Linda - 12/02 email (01/15)
Stanford University: 11/24 email (1/9, 1/12)
University of California - Davis: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 12/16)
University of California - Irvine: 11/9 email (12/16, 1/6, 1/13, 1/20)
University of California - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/12, 1/26)
University of California - San Diego: 11/25, 12/1 email (1/9, 1/14)
University of California - San Francisco: 11/24, 12/2 Phone (1/6, MD, 1/13-14, MD/PhD)

COLORADO
University of Colorado - 12/2 email (1/22, 1/25)

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/13 email (01/06)
Yale: 11/23 phone (1/9, 1/16)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Howard University Hospital: 11/19 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22)
Washington Hospital Center: 11/19 email (12/3, 12/17, 1/7, 1/21)

FLORIDA
Mayo Jacksonville: 12/03 email (01/11, 01/12, 11/21, 11/22)
Miami: 12/04 email (01/10)
University of Florida 12/7 email (1/7, 1/14)

GEORGIA
Emory University: 11/23 email (12/17 only one date offered)
Medical College of Georgia: 12/4 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)

ILLINOIS
John H Stroger Hospital of Cook County: 11/30 email (12/15)
Northwestern University: 11/4 phone, 11/24 email (12/2, 1/12, 1/13)
Rush University: 11/25, 12/3 email (1/16 only date offered)
Southern Illinois University: 11/13 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)
University of Illinois COM at Chicago: 10/9, 10/13, 11/31 email

INDIANA
Indiana University: 11/24; 12/3 email (12/9, 1/13)

IOWA
Iowa: 11/19 email (12/9, 12/17, 1/7, 1/14)

KANSAS
University of Kansas: 11/30, 12/1, 12/2 email (1/7, 1/14)

KENTUCKY
University of Louisville: 11/13 email (12/12 only)

LOUISIANA
Tulane: 12/04 email (01/08, 01/09)

MARYLAND:
Johns Hopkins: 11/21 phone call (1/9 only date offered)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston University: 12/1 email (1/13, 1/20)
Harvard Combined Programs: 11/23 pre-rejection email (1/5, 1/10)
University of Massachusetts: 11/27 email (1/11, 1/22, 1/23)

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/18 email (12/7, 12/18, 1/8, 1/15, 1/18)
University of Michigan: 11/10 email (12/5; only date they are offering)
Wayne State: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 1/6)

MINNESOTA:
Mayo Clinic: 11/11 email, 11/19 email (12/7, 12/11, 12/14, 12/18)
University of Minnesota: MD 12/3 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16); Med/Derm: 12/4 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16)

MISSOURI:
Saint Louis University: 11/30 email (2/4, 2/11)
University of Missouri: 12/2 email, 12/4 email (1/7-1/8, 1/21-1/22)
Washington University: 11/20 email (1/9, 1/23)

NEW JERSEY
UMDNJ-Camden: 10/16 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/28)
UMDNJ-Newark: 11/4, 11/6, 12/1 email (11/30, 1/4)

NEW YORK
Cornell: 12/4 email (1/26, 1/27)
NYU: 12/3 email (1/25, 1/26, 1/28)
SUNY at Buffalo: 10/14, 10/15, 10/20 email (12/8, 12/15, 1/12)
SUNY Downstate 11/30 email: 1/6, 1/13 (only 1 date offered per invite)
SUNY Stony Brook: 12/7 email (2/4)
University of Rochester: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/29)

NORTH CAROLINA
Duke: 11/21, 12/4 email (12/16, 1/14)
Pitt County - ECU: 11/2, 11/19, 12/2 phone (12/1, 12/8, 12/15, 01/05, 01/12, 01/19)
UNC: 11/12 email (12/18, 1/8, 1/22)
Wake Forest: 11/20 snail mail (1/8, 1/9, 1/29, 1/30)

OHIO
MetroHealth Case Western: 12/7 email (12/15, 1/5)
Case Western: 12/2 email (12/17)
Ohio State University: 11/17 email (1/22)
University of Cincinnati: 11/17 email (12/17, 1/7)
Wright State: 11/25 email (12/11, 1/11)

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 11/2, 11/9 snail mail (12/3, 1/14)

OREGON
OHSU: 12/7 email (1/15, 1/29)
PENNSYLVANIA
Drexel: 10/21, 11/10 phone (11/19, 12/10, 1/14) <-- per SDN user, they only offer you 1 date when they call you
Geisinger: 11/17 email (12/7, 12/14, 1/4)
Penn State: 11/9 email (12/9, 12/11)
University of Pennsylvania: 12/4 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/15, 1/21, 1/22) <--SDN user was only offered 1 date and does not wish to disclose in case it reveals his/her identity

RHODE ISLAND
Brown University: 11/19 email, 12/2, 12/4 email (12/4, 12/17)

SOUTH CAROLINA
MUSC: 11/2, 11/3 email (12/12, 1/9)

TENNESSEE
UTHSC: 11/11 email (1/8)

TEXAS
Baylor: 11/18 email (1/14, 1/28)
Scott and White: 10/23 email (11/5, 11/19, 12/5)
Texas Tech: 11/9 email (12/10, 12/17, 1/7)
UT Austin: 11/28 email (1/22)
UT San Antonio: 11/9 email (12/4)
UT Southwestern: 11/9 email, 12/3 (12/17, 1/7-1/8, 1/14-1/15)
UTMB Galveston: 12/03 email (2/4, 2/5)

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/24 email, 12/4 email (1/8, 1/29)

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 11/25 email (1/23, 1/24)

VIRGINIA
UVA: 12/01 email (01/21, 01/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University: 12/3 phone, 12/8 email (1/15, 1/22)

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 11/24 (1/15, 1/29)

WISCONSIN
Marshfield Clinic: 11/10 email, 11/18 email, 11/30 email (12/14, 1/11)
Medical College of WI: 11/11 email (12/16, 12/18, 1/11)
University of Wisconsin: 11/18 email (01/05, 01/12, 01/13, 01/19, 01/20, 01/26)
________________________

Rejections

ALABAMA
UAB - 11/23 email

CALIFORNIA
Stanford: 11/25 email
University of California - Irvine: 11/12 email
University of California - San Francisco: 12/3 email
UCLA: 12/4 email

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/16 email
Yale: 11/24 email

ILLINOIS
Northwestern University 11/24 email
SIU: 11/17 email

IOWA
University of Iowa 11/30, 12/2, 12/3, 12/4 email

MARYLAND
Johns Hopkins: 11/24 email

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/20 email
University of Michigan: 11/10 email

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2, 12/8 email
Washington University: 11/25 email

NEW YORK
SUNY at Buffalo: 11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/10 email

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email
Wake Forest: 11/12 snail mail, 11/30 snail mail

OHIO
Ohio State University: 11/24 email
MetroHealth -Case Western Reserve University: 11/30 email

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 10/19, 11/2, 11/9, 11/14 snail mail

PENNSYLVANIA
Geisinger: 11/18 email
Penn State: 11/13 email

TEXAS
Scott and White: 10/31, 11/9 snail mail
Texas Tech: 11/20, 11/23 email
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston: 12/4 email
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: 11/19 email
University of Texas Southwestern: 11/23 email, 12/01 email

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/25 email

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
Eastern Virginia Medical School - 12/4 email

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 12/2 email


________________________

Waitlists

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email

TEXAS
UT Austin: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
University of Virginia: 12/3 email
 
slow day...?

I was wondering whether anyone has actually received a recent invite from UCLA. I know a couple week ago, there was a (possible) invite sent out. I haven't heard a peep from them, and that's one of the programs that I'm very interested in.
 
Yeah, haven't heard anything today.
 
slow day...?

I was wondering whether anyone has actually received a recent invite from UCLA. I know a couple week ago, there was a (possible) invite sent out. I haven't heard a peep from them, and that's one of the programs that I'm very interested in.

If it helps at all, I also know somebody who received a UCLA invite.
 
I am not sure I buy this BS of post turkey day love. I have ONE interview, thanks to my home program and more rejections than I know what to do with at this time. I wish I would have saved my money.

Sorry to be such a downer, but this stinks and I wanted to vent.

Hope all you guys are having a much better day.
 
My friend received a UCLA interview offer a week or two ago. Not sure if they are sending another round out.

I am curious for the large programs that interview on one day, like Miami, how many people can they actually interview in ONE day.
 
sorry MrEd 🙁. i know i helped circulate the post-turkey day interview rumor and for real i got a ton of interviews post-turkey day last time, but i'm not doing too well this time around. not sure what is going on -- is it me? my app? my letters? or maybe the competition is just really tough this time around. unc's letter said 519 applicants and i don't remember that many before...
 
Does anyone have opinions of the program at Rochester in NY? I would be grateful for any information as I am trying to make a decision regarding canceling conflicting interviews. Thanks! Please feel free to PM me if you have comments that you don't want to post on a public thread.

Good luck everyone!
 
I am lurker of the forum but will give a little perspective about this year without revealing to much about myself. My stats are what I believe to be decent, all were on my app when I submitted

Step 1> 250
Step 2> 260
Mid tier school
3rd year grades All Honors
1st and 2nd year grades Few HP Few Honors
Missed AOA "this is the most important part of your application I am realizing"
5 Pubs, 6 posters
Derm Letter from a huge name in the field
Lots of interesting volunteer and work experience during and before medical school

I have received 6 interviews including 1 from home and 1 from an away rotation

There is someone else applying from my school with AOA with >10 invites. The only thing different is our yr 1/2 grades that got them AOA and they are racking em up and I'm twiddling my thumbs. I don't mind, I might match, if not who knows my future, but I just wanted to say to everyone, I think the competition is fierce this year. AOA for non PhD is by far the most important component of your app unless you come from the Ivy league, at least that is my opinion.
 
Honestly I think that what school you're coming from trumps AOA status. Those of us applying from bottom tier schools can probably attest to that. It's an uphill battle. Being AOA hasn't helped me much.
 
I am lurker of the forum but will give a little perspective about this year without revealing to much about myself. My stats are what I believe to be decent, all were on my app when I submitted

Step 1> 250
Step 2> 260
Mid tier school
3rd year grades All Honors
1st and 2nd year grades Few HP Few Honors
Missed AOA "this is the most important part of your application I am realizing"
5 Pubs, 6 posters
Derm Letter from a huge name in the field
Lots of interesting volunteer and work experience during and before medical school

I have received 6 interviews including 1 from home and 1 from an away rotation

There is someone else applying from my school with AOA with >10 invites. The only thing different is our yr 1/2 grades that got them AOA and they are racking em up and I'm twiddling my thumbs. I don't mind, I might match, if not who knows my future, but I just wanted to say to everyone, I think the competition is fierce this year. AOA for non PhD is by far the most important component of your app unless you come from the Ivy league, at least that is my opinion.

Your stats are amazing. 6 is a decent number. Hopefully you'll get more, since nothing is safe in derm...

How many programs did you apply to? I think that would be helpful for those applying in future years. There's a big difference between getting 6 interviews if you only applied to 20 programs vs applying to all of them.
Thanks!
 
Honestly I think that what school you're coming from trumps AOA status. Those of us applying from bottom tier schools can probably attest to that. It's an uphill battle. Being AOA hasn't helped me much.

I'm wondering about the school thing as well. I attend a "top tier" school. This might be the thing that hopefully saves my application a little (I'm applying next year) since I missed AOA. Last match my school had 100% match into Derm. My friend at a mid tier private school said his class matched about 3 out of 10 into Derm and several of those people had great stats. My stats...pretty middle of the road, derm-wise.
 
I am not sure I buy this BS of post turkey day love. I have ONE interview, thanks to my home program and more rejections than I know what to do with at this time. I wish I would have saved my money.

Sorry to be such a downer, but this stinks and I wanted to vent.

Hope all you guys are having a much better day.



agreed.. i dont think i'll be getting any more interviews. unless there are cancellations. the very few who have not sent out invites are pipe dream programs anyway..
 
Don't lose hope guys!! Some people must need to cancel their double invites sooner or later. My guess is that they'll cancel later with hopes that some date swapping will work!

Personally, I have ~5 interviews, and just had to cancel one. Yes, it hurts. Yes, it bloody bloody hurts. But I definitely couldn't make it and there's someone else out that can use the spot.
 
Meant to add Jefferson as an invite, but I was too excited and put it under rejections instead. ChocolateKiss has me covered though, below.
 
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ALABAMA
UAB: 11/16 snail mail (12/12, 12/17)

ARIZONA
Mayo Clinic Scottsdale: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/21)

ARKANSAS
University of Arkansas: 11/12 email (12/4)

CALIFORNIA
Kaiser Permanente - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/18, 1/27)
Loma Linda - 12/02 email (01/15)
Stanford University: 11/24 email (1/9, 1/12)
University of California - Davis: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 12/16)
University of California - Irvine: 11/9 email (12/16, 1/6, 1/13, 1/20)
University of California - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/12, 1/26)
University of California - San Diego: 11/25, 12/1 email (1/9, 1/14)
University of California - San Francisco: 11/24, 12/2 Phone (1/6, MD, 1/13-14, MD/PhD)

COLORADO
University of Colorado - 12/2 email (1/22, 1/25)

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/13 email (01/06)
Yale: 11/23 phone (1/9, 1/16)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Howard University Hospital: 11/19 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22)
Washington Hospital Center: 11/19 email (12/3, 12/17, 1/7, 1/21)

FLORIDA
Mayo Jacksonville: 12/03 email (01/11, 01/12, 11/21, 11/22)
Miami: 12/04 email (01/10)
University of Florida 12/7 email (1/7, 1/14)

GEORGIA
Emory University: 11/23 email (12/17 only one date offered)
Medical College of Georgia: 12/4 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)

ILLINOIS
John H Stroger Hospital of Cook County: 11/30 email (12/15)
Northwestern University: 11/4 phone, 11/24 email (12/2, 1/12, 1/13)
Rush University: 11/25, 12/3 email (1/16 only date offered)
Southern Illinois University: 11/13 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)
University of Illinois COM at Chicago: 10/9, 10/13, 11/31 email

INDIANA
Indiana University: 11/24; 12/3 email (12/9, 1/13)

IOWA
Iowa: 11/19 email (12/9, 12/17, 1/7, 1/14)

KANSAS
University of Kansas: 11/30, 12/1, 12/2 email (1/7, 1/14)

KENTUCKY
University of Louisville: 11/13 email (12/12 only)

LOUISIANA
Tulane: 12/04 email (01/08, 01/09)

MARYLAND:
Johns Hopkins: 11/21 phone call (1/9 only date offered)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston University: 12/1 email (1/13, 1/20)
Harvard Combined Programs: 11/23 pre-rejection email (1/5, 1/10)
University of Massachusetts: 11/27 email (1/11, 1/22, 1/23)

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/18 email (12/7, 12/18, 1/8, 1/15, 1/18)
University of Michigan: 11/10 email (12/5; only date they are offering)
Wayne State: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 1/6)

MINNESOTA:
Mayo Clinic: 11/11 email, 11/19 email (12/7, 12/11, 12/14, 12/18)
University of Minnesota: MD 12/3 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16); Med/Derm: 12/4 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16)

MISSOURI:
Saint Louis University: 11/30 email (2/4, 2/11)
University of Missouri: 12/2 email, 12/4 email (1/7-1/8, 1/21-1/22)
Washington University: 11/20 email (1/9, 1/23)

NEW JERSEY
UMDNJ-Camden: 10/16 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/28)
UMDNJ-Newark: 11/4, 11/6, 12/1 email (11/30, 1/4)

NEW YORK
Cornell: 12/4 email (1/26, 1/27)
NYU: 12/3 email (1/25, 1/26, 1/28)
SUNY at Buffalo: 10/14, 10/15, 10/20 email (12/8, 12/15, 1/12)
SUNY Downstate 11/30 email: 1/6, 1/13 (only 1 date offered per invite)
SUNY Stony Brook: 12/7 email (2/4)
University of Rochester: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/29)

NORTH CAROLINA
Duke: 11/21, 12/4 email (12/16, 1/14)
Pitt County - ECU: 11/2, 11/19, 12/2 phone (12/1, 12/8, 12/15, 01/05, 01/12, 01/19)
UNC: 11/12 email (12/18, 1/8, 1/22)
Wake Forest: 11/20 snail mail (1/8, 1/9, 1/29, 1/30)

OHIO
MetroHealth Case Western: 12/7 email (12/15, 1/5)
Case Western: 12/2 email (12/17)
Ohio State University: 11/17 email (1/22)
University of Cincinnati: 11/17 email (12/17, 1/7)
Wright State: 11/25 email (12/11, 1/11)

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 11/2, 11/9 snail mail (12/3, 1/14)

OREGON
OHSU: 12/7 email (1/15, 1/29)

PENNSYLVANIA
Drexel: 10/21, 11/10 phone (11/19, 12/10, 1/14) <-- per SDN user, they only offer you 1 date when they call you
Geisinger: 11/17 email (12/7, 12/14, 1/4)
Jefferson: 12/9 email (1/15)
Penn State: 11/9 email (12/9, 12/11)
University of Pennsylvania: 12/4 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/15, 1/21, 1/22) <--SDN user was only offered 1 date and does not wish to disclose in case it reveals his/her identity

RHODE ISLAND
Brown University: 11/19 email, 12/2, 12/4 email (12/4, 12/17)

SOUTH CAROLINA
MUSC: 11/2, 11/3 email (12/12, 1/9)

TENNESSEE
UTHSC: 11/11 email (1/8)

TEXAS
Baylor: 11/18 email (1/14, 1/28)
Scott and White: 10/23 email (11/5, 11/19, 12/5)
Texas Tech: 11/9 email (12/10, 12/17, 1/7)
UT Austin: 11/28 email (1/22)
UT San Antonio: 11/9 email (12/4)
UT Southwestern: 11/9 email, 12/3 (12/17, 1/7-1/8, 1/14-1/15)
UTMB Galveston: 12/03 email (2/4, 2/5)

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/24 email, 12/4 email (1/8, 1/29)

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 11/25 email (1/23, 1/24)

VIRGINIA
UVA: 12/01 email (01/21, 01/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University: 12/3 phone, 12/8 email (1/15, 1/22)

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 11/24 (1/15, 1/29)

WISCONSIN
Marshfield Clinic: 11/10 email, 11/18 email, 11/30 email (12/14, 1/11)
Medical College of WI: 11/11 email (12/16, 12/18, 1/11)
University of Wisconsin: 11/18 email (01/05, 01/12, 01/13, 01/19, 01/20, 01/26)
________________________

Rejections

ALABAMA
UAB - 11/23 email

CALIFORNIA
Stanford: 11/25 email
University of California - Irvine: 11/12 email
University of California - San Francisco: 12/3 email
UCLA: 12/4 email

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/16 email
Yale: 11/24 email

ILLINOIS
Northwestern University 11/24 email
SIU: 11/17 email

IOWA
University of Iowa 11/30, 12/2, 12/3, 12/4 email

MARYLAND
Johns Hopkins: 11/24 email

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/20 email
University of Michigan: 11/10 email

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2, 12/8 email
Washington University: 11/25 email

NEW YORK
SUNY at Buffalo: 11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/10 email

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email
Wake Forest: 11/12 snail mail, 11/30 snail mail

OHIO
Ohio State University: 11/24 email
MetroHealth -Case Western Reserve University: 11/30 email

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 10/19, 11/2, 11/9, 11/14 snail mail

PENNSYLVANIA
Geisinger: 11/18 email
Jefferson: 12/09 email
Penn State: 11/13 email

TEXAS
Scott and White: 10/31, 11/9 snail mail
Texas Tech: 11/20, 11/23 email
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston: 12/4 email
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: 11/19 email
University of Texas Southwestern: 11/23 email, 12/01 email

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/25 email

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
Eastern Virginia Medical School - 12/4 email

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 12/2 email


________________________

Waitlists

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email

TEXAS
UT Austin: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
University of Virginia: 12/3 email
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ALABAMA
UAB: 11/16 snail mail (12/12, 12/17)

ARIZONA
Mayo Clinic Scottsdale: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/21)

ARKANSAS
University of Arkansas: 11/12 email (12/4)

CALIFORNIA
Kaiser Permanente - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/18, 1/27)
Loma Linda - 12/02 email (01/15)
Stanford University: 11/24 email (1/9, 1/12)
University of California - Davis: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 12/16)
University of California - Irvine: 11/9 email (12/16, 1/6, 1/13, 1/20)
University of California - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/12, 1/26)
University of California - San Diego: 11/25, 12/1 email (1/9, 1/14)
University of California - San Francisco: 11/24, 12/2 Phone (1/6, MD, 1/13-14, MD/PhD)

COLORADO
University of Colorado - 12/2 email (1/22, 1/25)

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/13 email (01/06)
Yale: 11/23 phone (1/9, 1/16)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Howard University Hospital: 11/19 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22)
Washington Hospital Center: 11/19 email (12/3, 12/17, 1/7, 1/21)

FLORIDA
Mayo Jacksonville: 12/03 email (01/11, 01/12, 11/21, 11/22)
Miami: 12/04 email (01/10)
University of Florida 12/7 email (1/7, 1/14)

GEORGIA
Emory University: 11/23 email (12/17 only one date offered)
Medical College of Georgia: 12/4 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)

ILLINOIS
John H Stroger Hospital of Cook County: 11/30 email (12/15)
Northwestern University: 11/4 phone, 11/24 email (12/2, 1/12, 1/13)
Rush University: 11/25, 12/3 email (1/16 only date offered)
Southern Illinois University: 11/13 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)
University of Illinois COM at Chicago: 10/9, 10/13, 11/31 email

INDIANA
Indiana University: 11/24; 12/3 email (12/9, 1/13)

IOWA
Iowa: 11/19 email (12/9, 12/17, 1/7, 1/14)

KANSAS
University of Kansas: 11/30, 12/1, 12/2 email (1/7, 1/14)

KENTUCKY
University of Louisville: 11/13 email (12/12 only)

LOUISIANA
Tulane: 12/04 email (01/08, 01/09)

MARYLAND:
Johns Hopkins: 11/21 phone call (1/9 only date offered)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston University: 12/1 email (1/13, 1/20)
Harvard Combined Programs: 11/23 pre-rejection email (1/5, 1/10)
University of Massachusetts: 11/27 email (1/11, 1/22, 1/23)

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/18 email (12/7, 12/18, 1/8, 1/15, 1/18)
University of Michigan: 11/10 email (12/5; only date they are offering)
Wayne State: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 1/6)

MINNESOTA:
Mayo Clinic: 11/11 email, 11/19 email (12/7, 12/11, 12/14, 12/18)
University of Minnesota: MD 12/3 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16); Med/Derm: 12/4 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16)

MISSOURI:
Saint Louis University: 11/30 email (2/4, 2/11)
University of Missouri: 12/2 email, 12/4 email (1/7-1/8, 1/21-1/22)
Washington University: 11/20 email (1/9, 1/23)

NEW JERSEY
UMDNJ-Camden: 10/16 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/28)
UMDNJ-Newark: 11/4, 11/6, 12/1 email (11/30, 1/4)

NEW YORK
Cornell: 12/4 email (1/26, 1/27)
NYU: 12/3 email (1/25, 1/26, 1/28)
SUNY at Buffalo: 10/14, 10/15, 10/20 email (12/8, 12/15, 1/12)
SUNY Downstate 11/30 email: 1/6, 1/13 (only 1 date offered per invite)
SUNY Stony Brook: 12/7 email (2/4)
University of Rochester: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/29)

NORTH CAROLINA
Duke: 11/21, 12/4 email (12/16, 1/14)
Pitt County - ECU: 11/2, 11/19, 12/2 phone (12/1, 12/8, 12/15, 01/05, 01/12, 01/19)
UNC: 11/12 email (12/18, 1/8, 1/22)
Wake Forest: 11/20 snail mail (1/8, 1/9, 1/29, 1/30)

OHIO
MetroHealth Case Western: 12/7 email (12/15, 1/5)
Case Western: 12/2 email (12/17)
Ohio State University: 11/17 email (1/22)
University of Cincinnati: 11/17 email (12/17, 1/7)
Wright State: 11/25 email (12/11, 1/11)

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 11/2, 11/9 snail mail (12/3, 1/14)

OREGON
OHSU: 12/7 email (1/15, 1/29)

PENNSYLVANIA
Drexel: 10/21, 11/10 phone (11/19, 12/10, 1/14) <-- per SDN user, they only offer you 1 date when they call you
Geisinger: 11/17 email (12/7, 12/14, 1/4)
Jefferson: 12/9 email (1/15)
Penn State: 11/9 email (12/9, 12/11)
University of Pennsylvania: 12/4 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/15, 1/21, 1/22) <--SDN user was only offered 1 date and does not wish to disclose in case it reveals his/her identity

RHODE ISLAND
Brown University: 11/19 email, 12/2, 12/4 email (12/4, 12/17)

SOUTH CAROLINA
MUSC: 11/2, 11/3 email (12/12, 1/9)

TENNESSEE
UTHSC: 11/11 email (1/8)

TEXAS
Baylor: 11/18 email (1/14, 1/28)
Scott and White: 10/23 email (11/5, 11/19, 12/5)
Texas Tech: 11/9 email (12/10, 12/17, 1/7)
UT Austin: 11/28 email (1/22)
UT San Antonio: 11/9 email (12/4)
UT Southwestern: 11/9 email, 12/3 (12/17, 1/7-1/8, 1/14-1/15)
UTMB Galveston: 12/03 email (2/4, 2/5)

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/24 email, 12/4 email (1/8, 1/29)

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 11/25 email (1/23, 1/24)

VIRGINIA
UVA: 12/01 email (01/21, 01/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University: 12/3 phone, 12/8 email (1/15, 1/22)

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 11/24 (1/15, 1/29)

WISCONSIN
Marshfield Clinic: 11/10 email, 11/18 email, 11/30 email (12/14, 1/11)
Medical College of WI: 11/11 email (12/16, 12/18, 1/11)
University of Wisconsin: 11/18 email (01/05, 01/12, 01/13, 01/19, 01/20, 01/26)
________________________

Rejections

ALABAMA
UAB - 11/23 email

CALIFORNIA
Stanford: 11/25 email
University of California - Irvine: 11/12 email
University of California - San Francisco: 12/3 email
UCLA: 12/4 email

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/16 email
Yale: 11/24 email

ILLINOIS
Northwestern University 11/24 email
SIU: 11/17 email

IOWA
University of Iowa 11/30, 12/2, 12/3, 12/4 email

MARYLAND
Johns Hopkins: 11/24 email

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/20 email
University of Michigan: 11/10 email

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2, 12/8 email
Washington University: 11/25 email

NEW YORK
SUNY at Buffalo: 11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/10 email

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email
Wake Forest: 11/12 snail mail, 11/30 snail mail

OHIO
Ohio State University: 11/24 email
MetroHealth -Case Western Reserve University: 11/30 email

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 10/19, 11/2, 11/9, 11/14 snail mail

PENNSYLVANIA
Geisinger: 11/18 email
Jefferson: 12/09 email
Penn State: 11/13 email

TEXAS
Baylor: 12/9 email
Scott and White: 10/31, 11/9 snail mail
Texas Tech: 11/20, 11/23 email
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston: 12/4 email
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: 11/19 email
University of Texas Southwestern: 11/23 email, 12/01 email

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/25 email

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
Eastern Virginia Medical School - 12/4 email

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 12/2 email


________________________

Waitlists

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email

TEXAS
UT Austin: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
University of Virginia: 12/3 email
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Hey guys,

Sorry to ask again for info on a program, but these conflicting interviews are really killing me. I want to cancel whichever I can't attend to let others get the invites, but it's really hard to make decisions without any first-hand experience at these programs.

Anyway, does anyone who has rotated at Jefferson have any thoughts on the strengths or weaknesses of the program? Again, if you'd like your thoughts to remain off the public forum, a PM works as well.

Thanks so much.
 
this is starting to get disheartening...stuck on 4 forever. i don't believe in this post t-giving love...😡
 
this is starting to get disheartening...stuck on 4 forever. i don't believe in this post t-giving love...😡

I doubled my interview offers after thanksgiving, now have a whopping 7 offers and had to cancel one because it conflicted, which really does suck. But, I do believe in the after turkey day interviews, and I'm still counting on one where I rotated and hopefully another long shot where I also did an externship.....if I get 8 I think i can feel secure. The daily rejections piling in one after another is a killer on the self esteem tho. Make it stop!!
 
UAB: 11/16 snail mail (12/12, 12/17)

ARIZONA
Mayo Clinic Scottsdale: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/21)

ARKANSAS
University of Arkansas: 11/12 email (12/4)

CALIFORNIA
Kaiser Permanente - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/18, 1/27)
Loma Linda - 12/02 email (01/15)
Stanford University: 11/24 email (1/9, 1/12)
University of California - Davis: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 12/16)
University of California - Irvine: 11/9 email (12/16, 1/6, 1/13, 1/20)
University of California - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/12, 1/26)
University of California - San Diego: 11/25, 12/1 email (1/9, 1/14)
University of California - San Francisco: 11/24, 12/2 Phone (1/6, MD, 1/13-14, MD/PhD)

COLORADO
University of Colorado - 12/2 email (1/22, 1/25)

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/13 email (01/06)
Yale: 11/23 phone (1/9, 1/16)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Howard University Hospital: 11/19 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22)
Washington Hospital Center: 11/19 email (12/3, 12/17, 1/7, 1/21)

FLORIDA
Mayo Jacksonville: 12/03 email (01/11, 01/12, 11/21, 11/22)
Miami: 12/04 email (01/10)
University of Florida 12/7 email (1/7, 1/14)

GEORGIA
Emory University: 11/23 email (12/17 only one date offered)
Medical College of Georgia: 12/4 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)

ILLINOIS
John H Stroger Hospital of Cook County: 11/30 email (12/15)
Northwestern University: 11/4 phone, 11/24 email (12/2, 1/12, 1/13)
Rush University: 11/25, 12/3 email (1/16 only date offered)
Southern Illinois University: 11/13 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)
University of Illinois COM at Chicago: 10/9, 10/13, 11/31 email

INDIANA
Indiana University: 11/24; 12/3 email (12/9, 1/13)

IOWA
Iowa: 11/19 email (12/9, 12/17, 1/7, 1/14)

KANSAS
University of Kansas: 11/30, 12/1, 12/2 email (1/7, 1/14)

KENTUCKY
University of Louisville: 11/13 email (12/12 only)

LOUISIANA
Tulane: 12/04 email (01/08, 01/09)

MARYLAND:
Johns Hopkins: 11/21 phone call (1/9 only date offered)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston University: 12/1 email (1/13, 1/20)
Harvard Combined Programs: 11/23 pre-rejection email (1/5, 1/10)
University of Massachusetts: 11/27 email (1/11, 1/22, 1/23)

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/18 email (12/7, 12/18, 1/8, 1/15, 1/18)
University of Michigan: 11/10 email (12/5; only date they are offering)
Wayne State: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 1/6)

MINNESOTA:
Mayo Clinic: 11/11 email, 11/19 email (12/7, 12/11, 12/14, 12/18)
University of Minnesota: MD 12/3 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16); Med/Derm: 12/4 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16)

MISSOURI:
Saint Louis University: 11/30 email (2/4, 2/11)
University of Missouri: 12/2 email, 12/4 email (1/7-1/8, 1/21-1/22)
Washington University: 11/20 email (1/9, 1/23)

NEW JERSEY
UMDNJ-Camden: 10/16 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/28)
UMDNJ-Newark: 11/4, 11/6, 12/1 email (11/30, 1/4)

NEW YORK
Cornell: 12/4 email (1/26, 1/27)
NYU: 12/3 email (1/25, 1/26, 1/28)
SUNY at Buffalo: 10/14, 10/15, 10/20 email (12/8, 12/15, 1/12)
SUNY Downstate 11/30 email: 1/6, 1/13 (only 1 date offered per invite)
SUNY Stony Brook: 12/7 email (2/4)
University of Rochester: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/29)

NORTH CAROLINA
Duke: 11/21, 12/4 email (12/16, 1/14)
Pitt County - ECU: 11/2, 11/19, 12/2 phone (12/1, 12/8, 12/15, 01/05, 01/12, 01/19)
UNC: 11/12 email (12/18, 1/8, 1/22)
Wake Forest: 11/20 snail mail (1/8, 1/9, 1/29, 1/30)

OHIO
MetroHealth Case Western: 12/7 email (12/15, 1/5)
Case Western: 12/2 email (12/17)
Ohio State University: 11/17 email (1/22)
University of Cincinnati: 11/17 email (12/17, 1/7)
Wright State: 11/25 email (12/11, 1/11)

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 11/2, 11/9 snail mail (12/3, 1/14)

OREGON
OHSU: 12/7 email (1/15, 1/29)

PENNSYLVANIA
Drexel: 10/21, 11/10 phone (11/19, 12/10, 1/14) <-- per SDN user, they only offer you 1 date when they call you
Geisinger: 11/17 email (12/7, 12/14, 1/4)
Jefferson: 12/9 email (1/15)
Penn State: 11/9 email (12/9, 12/11)
University of Pennsylvania: 12/4 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/15, 1/21, 1/22) <--SDN user was only offered 1 date and does not wish to disclose in case it reveals his/her identity

RHODE ISLAND
Brown University: 11/19 email, 12/2, 12/4 email (12/4, 12/17)

SOUTH CAROLINA
MUSC: 11/2, 11/3 email (12/12, 1/9)

TENNESSEE
UTHSC: 11/11 email (1/8)

TEXAS
Baylor: 11/18 email (1/14, 1/28)
Scott and White: 10/23 email (11/5, 11/19, 12/5)
Texas Tech: 11/9 email (12/10, 12/17, 1/7)
UT Austin: 11/28 email (1/22)
UT San Antonio: 11/9 email (12/4)
UT Southwestern: 11/9 email, 12/3 (12/17, 1/7-1/8, 1/14-1/15)
UTMB Galveston: 12/03 email (2/4, 2/5)

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/24 email, 12/4 email (1/8, 1/29)

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 11/25 email (1/23, 1/24)

VIRGINIA
UVA: 12/01 email (01/21, 01/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University: 12/3 phone, 12/8 email (1/15, 1/22)

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 11/24 (1/15, 1/29)

WISCONSIN
Marshfield Clinic: 11/10 email, 11/18 email, 11/30 email (12/14, 1/11)
Medical College of WI: 11/11 email (12/16, 12/18, 1/11)
University of Wisconsin: 11/18 email (01/05, 01/12, 01/13, 01/19, 01/20, 01/26)
________________________

Rejections

ALABAMA
UAB - 11/23 email

CALIFORNIA
Stanford: 11/25 email
University of California - Irvine: 11/12 email
University of California - San Francisco: 12/3 email
UCLA: 12/4 email

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/16 email
Yale: 11/24 email

ILLINOIS
Northwestern University 11/24 email
SIU: 11/17 email

IOWA
University of Iowa 11/30, 12/2, 12/3, 12/4 email

MARYLAND
Johns Hopkins: 11/24 email

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/20 email
University of Michigan: 11/10 email

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2, 12/8 email
Washington University: 11/25 email

NEW YORK
SUNY at Buffalo: 11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/10 email

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email
Wake Forest: 11/12 snail mail, 11/30 snail mail

OHIO
Ohio State University: 11/24 email
MetroHealth -Case Western Reserve University: 11/30 email

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 10/19, 11/2, 11/9, 11/14 snail mail

PENNSYLVANIA
Geisinger: 11/18 email
Jefferson: 12/09 email
Penn State: 11/13 email

TENNESSEE
University of Tennessee Health Science Center 12/9 email

TEXAS
Baylor: 12/9 email
Scott and White: 10/31, 11/9 snail mail
Texas Tech: 11/20, 11/23 email
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston: 12/4 email
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: 11/19 email
University of Texas Southwestern: 11/23 email, 12/01 email

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/25 email

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
Eastern Virginia Medical School - 12/4 email

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 12/2 email


________________________

Waitlists

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email

TEXAS
UT Austin: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
University of Virginia: 12/3 email
 
I doubled my interview offers after thanksgiving, now have a whopping 7 offers and had to cancel one because it conflicted, which really does suck. But, I do believe in the after turkey day interviews, and I'm still counting on one where I rotated and hopefully another long shot where I also did an externship.....if I get 8 I think i can feel secure. The daily rejections piling in one after another is a killer on the self esteem tho. Make it stop!!

"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.: Red - Shawshank Redemption...😀

on a sidenote, Tenn Rejection...
 
I doubled my interview offers after thanksgiving, now have a whopping 7 offers and had to cancel one because it conflicted, which really does suck. But, I do believe in the after turkey day interviews, and I'm still counting on one where I rotated and hopefully another long shot where I also did an externship.....if I get 8 I think i can feel secure. The daily rejections piling in one after another is a killer on the self esteem tho. Make it stop!!

"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.: Red - Shawshank Redemption...😀

on a sidenote, Tenn Rejection...
 
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it's more the school than AOA. i'd trade AOA for a top tier name in a heartbeat at this point.
 
At first, when the interviews weren't pouring in, I thought that my decision to only apply to about half of the programs was a horrible mistake. But now I realize it's subtle brilliance; I get half the rejections! I mean, sure, I have less than a handful of invites and the chances are slim that I'll match... but think of how many rejections I've avoided! Next year I'm thinking that I'll probably only apply to 1 or 2 programs -- it will ultimately be the same result and I will only get 2 rejections! Brilliant!
 
I'll second this. I'm not AOA, and I'm at 9 interviews not including my own school, which will offer me an interview. I feel VERY fortunate.

I think it has less to do with thinking that people trained at a certain school will be better residents, and more from being able to advertise that they got their resident from so and so IVy league or super good school."

Wow, that's great. What are your stats laxman?
 
UAB: 11/16 snail mail (12/12, 12/17)

ARIZONA
Mayo Clinic Scottsdale: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/21)

ARKANSAS
University of Arkansas: 11/12 email (12/4)

CALIFORNIA
Kaiser Permanente - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/18, 1/27)
Loma Linda - 12/02 email (01/15)
Stanford University: 11/24 email (1/9, 1/12)
University of California - Davis: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 12/16)
University of California - Irvine: 11/9 email (12/16, 1/6, 1/13, 1/20)
University of California - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/12, 1/26)
University of California - San Diego: 11/25, 12/1 email (1/9, 1/14)
University of California - San Francisco: 11/24, 12/2 Phone (1/6, MD, 1/13-14, MD/PhD)

COLORADO
University of Colorado - 12/2 email (1/22, 1/25)

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/13 email (01/06)
Yale: 11/23 phone (1/9, 1/16)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Howard University Hospital: 11/19 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22)
Washington Hospital Center: 11/19 email (12/3, 12/17, 1/7, 1/21)

FLORIDA
Mayo Jacksonville: 12/03 email (01/11, 01/12, 11/21, 11/22)
Miami: 12/04 email (01/10)
University of Florida 12/7 email (1/7, 1/14)

GEORGIA
Emory University: 11/23 email (12/17 only one date offered)
Medical College of Georgia: 12/4 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)

ILLINOIS
John H Stroger Hospital of Cook County: 11/30 email (12/15)
Northwestern University: 11/4 phone, 11/24 email (12/2, 1/12, 1/13)
Rush University: 11/25, 12/3 email (1/16 only date offered)
Southern Illinois University: 11/13 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)
University of Illinois COM at Chicago: 10/9, 10/13, 11/31 email

INDIANA
Indiana University: 11/24; 12/3 email (12/9, 1/13)

IOWA
Iowa: 11/19 email (12/9, 12/17, 1/7, 1/14)

KANSAS
University of Kansas: 11/30, 12/1, 12/2 email (1/7, 1/14)

KENTUCKY
University of Louisville: 11/13 email (12/12 only)

LOUISIANA
Tulane: 12/04 email (01/08, 01/09)

MARYLAND:
Johns Hopkins: 11/21 phone call (1/9 only date offered)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston University: 12/1 email (1/13, 1/20)
Harvard Combined Programs: 11/23 pre-rejection email (1/5, 1/10)
University of Massachusetts: 11/27 email (1/11, 1/22, 1/23)

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/18 email (12/7, 12/18, 1/8, 1/15, 1/18)
University of Michigan: 11/10 email (12/5; only date they are offering)
Wayne State: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 1/6)

MINNESOTA:
Mayo Clinic: 11/11 email, 11/19 email (12/7, 12/11, 12/14, 12/18)
University of Minnesota: MD 12/3 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16); Med/Derm: 12/4 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16)

MISSOURI:
Saint Louis University: 11/30 email (2/4, 2/11)
University of Missouri: 12/2 email, 12/4 email (1/7-1/8, 1/21-1/22)
Washington University: 11/20 email (1/9, 1/23)

NEW JERSEY
UMDNJ-Camden: 10/16 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/28)
UMDNJ-Newark: 11/4, 11/6, 12/1 email (11/30, 1/4)

NEW MEXICO
University of New Mexico: 12/9 email (1/9 only)


NEW YORK
Cornell: 12/4 email (1/26, 1/27)
NYU: 12/3 email (1/25, 1/26, 1/28)
SUNY at Buffalo: 10/14, 10/15, 10/20 email (12/8, 12/15, 1/12)
SUNY Downstate 11/30 email: 1/6, 1/13 (only 1 date offered per invite)
SUNY Stony Brook: 12/7 email (2/4)
University of Rochester: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/29)

NORTH CAROLINA
Duke: 11/21, 12/4 email (12/16, 1/14)
Pitt County - ECU: 11/2, 11/19, 12/2 phone (12/1, 12/8, 12/15, 01/05, 01/12, 01/19)
UNC: 11/12 email (12/18, 1/8, 1/22)
Wake Forest: 11/20 snail mail (1/8, 1/9, 1/29, 1/30)

OHIO
MetroHealth Case Western: 12/7 email (12/15, 1/5)
Case Western: 12/2 email (12/17)
Ohio State University: 11/17 email (1/22)
University of Cincinnati: 11/17 email (12/17, 1/7)
Wright State: 11/25 email (12/11, 1/11)

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 11/2, 11/9 snail mail (12/3, 1/14)

OREGON
OHSU: 12/7 email (1/15, 1/29)

PENNSYLVANIA
Drexel: 10/21, 11/10 phone (11/19, 12/10, 1/14) <-- per SDN user, they only offer you 1 date when they call you
Geisinger: 11/17 email (12/7, 12/14, 1/4)
Jefferson: 12/9 email (1/15)
Penn State: 11/9 email (12/9, 12/11)
University of Pennsylvania: 12/4 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/15, 1/21, 1/22) <--SDN user was only offered 1 date and does not wish to disclose in case it reveals his/her identity

RHODE ISLAND
Brown University: 11/19 email, 12/2, 12/4 email (12/4, 12/17)

SOUTH CAROLINA
MUSC: 11/2, 11/3 email (12/12, 1/9)

TENNESSEE
UTHSC: 11/11 email (1/8)

TEXAS
Baylor: 11/18 email (1/14, 1/28)
Scott and White: 10/23 email (11/5, 11/19, 12/5)
Texas Tech: 11/9 email (12/10, 12/17, 1/7)
UT Austin: 11/28 email (1/22)
UT San Antonio: 11/9 email (12/4)
UT Southwestern: 11/9 email, 12/3 (12/17, 1/7-1/8, 1/14-1/15)
UTMB Galveston: 12/03 email (2/4, 2/5)

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/24 email, 12/4 email (1/8, 1/29)

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 11/25 email (1/23, 1/24)

VIRGINIA
UVA: 12/01 email (01/21, 01/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University: 12/3 phone, 12/8 email (1/15, 1/22)

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 11/24 (1/15, 1/29)

WISCONSIN
Marshfield Clinic: 11/10 email, 11/18 email, 11/30 email (12/14, 1/11)
Medical College of WI: 11/11 email (12/16, 12/18, 1/11)
University of Wisconsin: 11/18 email (01/05, 01/12, 01/13, 01/19, 01/20, 01/26)
________________________

Rejections

ALABAMA
UAB - 11/23 email

CALIFORNIA
Stanford: 11/25 email
University of California - Irvine: 11/12 email
University of California - San Francisco: 12/3 email
UCLA: 12/4 email

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/16 email
Yale: 11/24 email

ILLINOIS
Northwestern University 11/24 email
SIU: 11/17 email

IOWA
University of Iowa 11/30, 12/2, 12/3, 12/4 email

MARYLAND
Johns Hopkins: 11/24 email

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/20 email
University of Michigan: 11/10 email

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2, 12/8 email
Washington University: 11/25 email

NEW YORK
SUNY at Buffalo: 11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/10 email

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email
Wake Forest: 11/12 snail mail, 11/30 snail mail

OHIO
Ohio State University: 11/24 email
MetroHealth -Case Western Reserve University: 11/30 email

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 10/19, 11/2, 11/9, 11/14 snail mail

PENNSYLVANIA
Geisinger: 11/18 email
Jefferson: 12/09 email
Penn State: 11/13 email

TENNESSEE
University of Tennessee Health Science Center 12/9 email

TEXAS
Baylor: 12/9 email
Scott and White: 10/31, 11/9 snail mail
Texas Tech: 11/20, 11/23 email
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston: 12/4 email
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: 11/19 email
University of Texas Southwestern: 11/23 email, 12/01 email

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/25 email

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
Eastern Virginia Medical School - 12/4 email

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 12/2 email


________________________

Waitlists

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email

TEXAS
UT Austin: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
University of Virginia: 12/3 email
 
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Starryskies, I will see you there!!! Congratulations.
 
I have an interview on January 8th and have not purchased my plane ticket yet, just in case I get another interview on the same date and will have to cancel.

How long do you typically wait to book your flight? Thanks.
 
i should invest time in writing a program that automatically posts rejections on this thread...
 
i should invest time in writing a program that automatically posts rejections on this thread...

Ditto to Louisville, thats four for me today. This is a very bad day. The hope has been officially squashed.
 
Maybe I am just too sensitive, but I thought it was mean to have the subject heading of a rejection email as "Interview at U of Louisville". I was so unbelievably excited and then I was heartbroken, all in the span of a few seconds🙁
 
Maybe I am just too sensitive, but I thought it was mean to have the subject heading of a rejection email as "Interview at U of Louisville". I was so unbelievably excited and then I was heartbroken, all in the span of a few seconds🙁

I know what you mean, it was totally misleading.
 
i was on the phone when i received this email...completely tuned out for about 3 seconds...because of my growing excitement...only to find another rejection. horrible.
 
I have an interview on January 8th and have not purchased my plane ticket yet, just in case I get another interview on the same date and will have to cancel.

How long do you typically wait to book your flight? Thanks.

The fares tend to increase 7 days before and 14 day before (not a hard-and-fast rule). So depending on how uncertain you are about keeping the interview, I'd base my flight-making decisions on those dates. I'm making them at least 8 days before and sometimes 15 days before if I'm pretty I sure I want to keep them.
 
it's more the school than AOA. i'd trade AOA for a top tier name in a heartbeat at this point.

Not to open a new can of worms, but I think AOA is definitely important. I came from a mid-tier state school and I ended up with 12 interviews, all at great places (can name Mayo-R, Iowa, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Mt. Sinai as the "top" places I interviewed). I had some derm pubs, derm research, letters, decent board score.
 
Not to open a new can of worms, but I think AOA is definitely important. I came from a mid-tier state school and I ended up with 12 interviews, all at great places (can name Mayo-R, Iowa, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Mt. Sinai as the "top" places I interviewed). I had some derm pubs, derm research, letters, decent board score.

Yes, AOA is certainly important, but don't underestimate how much school status can hurt you. I would even trade my AOA status for a mid-tier school.
 
UAB: 11/16 snail mail (12/12, 12/17)

ARIZONA
Mayo Clinic Scottsdale: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/21)

ARKANSAS
University of Arkansas: 11/12 email (12/4)

CALIFORNIA
Kaiser Permanente - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/18, 1/27)
Loma Linda - 12/02 email (01/15)
Stanford University: 11/24 email (1/9, 1/12)
University of California - Davis: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 12/16)
University of California - Irvine: 11/9 email (12/16, 1/6, 1/13, 1/20)
University of California - Los Angeles: 11/24 email (1/12, 1/26)
University of California - San Diego: 11/25, 12/1 email (1/9, 1/14)
University of California - San Francisco: 11/24, 12/2 Phone (1/6, MD, 1/13-14, MD/PhD)

COLORADO
University of Colorado - 12/2 email (1/22, 1/25)

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/13 email (01/06)
Yale: 11/23 phone (1/9, 1/16)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Howard University Hospital: 11/19 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22)
Washington Hospital Center: 11/19 email (12/3, 12/17, 1/7, 1/21)

FLORIDA
Mayo Jacksonville: 12/03 email (01/11, 01/12, 11/21, 11/22)
Miami: 12/04 email (01/10)
University of Florida 12/7 email (1/7, 1/14)

GEORGIA
Emory University: 11/23 email (12/17 only one date offered)
Medical College of Georgia: 12/4 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)

ILLINOIS
John H Stroger Hospital of Cook County: 11/30 email (12/15)
Northwestern University: 11/4 phone, 11/24 email (12/2, 1/12, 1/13)
Rush University: 11/25, 12/3 email (1/16 only date offered)
Southern Illinois University: 11/13 email (1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1/29)
University of Illinois COM at Chicago: 10/9, 10/13, 11/31 email

INDIANA
Indiana University: 11/24; 12/3 email (12/9, 1/13)

IOWA
Iowa: 11/19 email (12/9, 12/17, 1/7, 1/14)

KANSAS
University of Kansas: 11/30, 12/1, 12/2 email (1/7, 1/14)

KENTUCKY
University of Louisville: 11/13 email (12/12 only)

LOUISIANA
Tulane: 12/04 email (01/08, 01/09)

MARYLAND:
Johns Hopkins: 11/21 phone call (1/9 only date offered)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston University: 12/1 email (1/13, 1/20)
Harvard Combined Programs: 11/23 pre-rejection email (1/5, 1/10)
University of Massachusetts: 11/27 email (1/11, 1/22, 1/23)

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/18 email (12/7, 12/18, 1/8, 1/15, 1/18)
University of Michigan: 11/10 email (12/5; only date they are offering)
Wayne State: 11/13 email (12/2, 12/9, 1/6)

MINNESOTA:
Mayo Clinic: 11/11 email, 11/19 email (12/7, 12/11, 12/14, 12/18)
University of Minnesota: MD 12/3 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16); Med/Derm: 12/4 email (1/8-1/9, 1/15-1/16)

MISSOURI:
Saint Louis University: 11/30 email (2/4, 2/11)
University of Missouri: 12/2 email, 12/4 email (1/7-1/8, 1/21-1/22)
Washington University: 11/20 email (1/9, 1/23)

NEW JERSEY
UMDNJ-Camden: 10/16 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/28)
UMDNJ-Newark: 11/4, 11/6, 12/1 email (11/30, 1/4)

NEW MEXICO
University of New Mexico: 12/9 email (1/9 only)

NEW YORK
Cornell: 12/4 email (1/26, 1/27)
NYU: 12/3 email (1/25, 1/26, 1/28)
SUNY at Buffalo: 10/14, 10/15, 10/20 email (12/8, 12/15, 1/12)
SUNY Downstate 11/30 email: 1/6, 1/13 (only 1 date offered per invite)
SUNY Stony Brook: 12/7 email (2/4)
University of Rochester: 12/7 email (1/8, 1/29)

NORTH CAROLINA
Duke: 11/21, 12/4 email (12/16, 1/14)
Pitt County - ECU: 11/2, 11/19, 12/2 phone (12/1, 12/8, 12/15, 01/05, 01/12, 01/19)
UNC: 11/12 email (12/18, 1/8, 1/22)
Wake Forest: 11/20 snail mail (1/8, 1/9, 1/29, 1/30)

OHIO
MetroHealth Case Western: 12/7 email (12/15, 1/5)
Case Western: 12/2 email (12/17)
Ohio State University: 11/17 email (1/22)
University of Cincinnati: 11/17 email (12/17, 1/7)
Wright State: 11/25 email (12/11, 1/11)

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 11/2, 11/9 snail mail (12/3, 1/14)

OREGON
OHSU: 12/7 email (1/15, 1/29)

PENNSYLVANIA
Drexel: 10/21, 11/10 phone (11/19, 12/10, 1/14) <-- per SDN user, they only offer you 1 date when they call you
Geisinger: 11/17 email (12/7, 12/14, 1/4)
Jefferson: 12/9 email (1/15)
Penn State: 11/9 email (12/9, 12/11)
University of Pennsylvania: 12/4 email (1/7, 1/14, 1/15, 1/21, 1/22) <--SDN user was only offered 1 date and does not wish to disclose in case it reveals his/her identity

RHODE ISLAND
Brown University: 11/19 email, 12/2, 12/4 email (12/4, 12/17)

SOUTH CAROLINA
MUSC: 11/2, 11/3 email (12/12, 1/9)

TENNESSEE
UTHSC: 11/11 email (1/8)

TEXAS
Baylor: 11/18 email (1/14, 1/28)
Scott and White: 10/23 email (11/5, 11/19, 12/5)
Texas Tech: 11/9 email (12/10, 12/17, 1/7)
UT Austin: 11/28 email (1/22)
UT San Antonio: 11/9 email (12/4)
UT Southwestern: 11/9 email, 12/3 (12/17, 1/7-1/8, 1/14-1/15)
UTMB Galveston: 12/03 email (2/4, 2/5)

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/24 email, 12/4 email (1/8, 1/29)

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 11/25 email (1/23, 1/24)

VIRGINIA
UVA: 12/01 email (01/21, 01/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University: 12/3 phone, 12/8 email (1/15, 1/22)

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 11/24 (1/15, 1/29)

WISCONSIN
Marshfield Clinic: 11/10 email, 11/18 email, 11/30 email (12/14, 1/11)
Medical College of WI: 11/11 email (12/16, 12/18, 1/11)
University of Wisconsin: 11/18 email (01/05, 01/12, 01/13, 01/19, 01/20, 01/26)
________________________

Rejections

ALABAMA
UAB - 11/23 email

CALIFORNIA
Stanford: 11/25 email
University of California - Irvine: 11/12 email
University of California - San Francisco: 12/3 email
UCLA: 12/4 email

CONNECTICUT
University of Connecticut: 11/16 email
Yale: 11/24 email

ILLINOIS
Northwestern University 11/24 email
SIU: 11/17 email

IOWA
University of Iowa 11/30, 12/2, 12/3, 12/4 email

MARYLAND
Johns Hopkins: 11/24 email

MICHIGAN
Henry Ford: 11/20 email
University of Michigan: 11/10 email

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2, 12/8 email
Washington University: 11/25 email

NEW YORK
SUNY at Buffalo: 11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/10 email
Cornell 12/10 email

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email
Wake Forest: 11/12 snail mail, 11/30 snail mail

OHIO
Ohio State University: 11/24 email
MetroHealth -Case Western Reserve University: 11/30 email

OKLAHOMA
University of Oklahoma: 10/19, 11/2, 11/9, 11/14 snail mail

PENNSYLVANIA
Geisinger: 11/18 email
Jefferson: 12/09 email
Penn State: 11/13 email

TENNESSEE
University of Tennessee Health Science Center 12/9 email

TEXAS
Baylor: 12/9 email
Scott and White: 10/31, 11/9 snail mail
Texas Tech: 11/20, 11/23 email
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston: 12/4 email
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: 11/19 email
University of Texas Southwestern: 11/23 email, 12/01 email

UTAH
University of Utah: 11/25 email

VERMONT
University of Vermont: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
Eastern Virginia Medical School - 12/4 email

WASHINGTON
University of Washington: 12/2 email


________________________

Waitlists

MISSOURI
University of Missouri: 12/2

NORTH CAROLINA
University of North Carolina: 11/12 email

TEXAS
UT Austin: 12/3 email

VIRGINIA
University of Virginia: 12/3 email
 
NYU rejection too... one right after the other, ouch!!! I would like this to stop NOW!
 
rejected from nyu. no offers since thxgiving😡


where is sorereyeass?
 
rejected from nyu. no offers since thxgiving😡


where is sorereyeass?

But you have a lot of interviews already! Leave some for others. 🙂
 
NYU and Cornell rejections here too. Trying to tell myself that I don't care since I really didn't want to move to NYC, but I think that's just a defense mechanism. Haha.
 
Lots of rejections lately. I have to cancel 3 interviews🙁. Hopefully that will bring some holiday spirit to someone. I guess programs schedule interviews on the same dates to see who is really interested?👎
 
Lots of rejections lately. I have to cancel 3 interviews🙁. Hopefully that will bring some holiday spirit to someone. I guess programs schedule interviews on the same dates to see who is really interested?👎

Oh that sucks. 🙁 Where are you cancelling? Look at the bright side-at least you have enough interviews to be able to cancel some!
 
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