Well I just finished reading this whole thread while at work. And now i want to get in on it
I'll just address some things that caught my attention:
1. People have been talking about how AA discussions always lead to white vs black. Well as an East Asian, I want to throw my race into this.
For some reason, East Asians don't seem to be included in AA discussions. Why? Because we are not considered to be "underrepresented" in the medical field.
But Flaahless mentioned in one of his earlier posts that the purpose of AA is for the government to counter oppression:
Your first two sentences.
Anyways, AA is not merely a "lets help minorities" policy. It's a means to counter the oppressive nature and abuses of an unfair government and capitalistic society. It applies to all groups that are oppressed, ethnic or not. Interesting factoid, to this day, the group that has benefitted the most from AA is caucasian women! They were oppressed, AA opened the door for them and now things are better. The playing field is not even, but it's a lot better than say 1975.
If that is the case, why are not all minorities that have been oppressed included in AA? Sure, blacks have been oppressed, along with white woman, disabled, etc. But were not Asians also oppressed? How come we become excluded in AA?
I grew up in large city, have parents who had to struggle to make it in a foreign country, attended public school my whole life, and had "struggles and obstacles". I'm not considered a minority for educational institutions, jobs, etc. The only place I am considered a minority is on the country's census.
2. This next statement is not to provoke a flame war or anything, but really just to give an opinion. feel free to correct me if I'm wrong:
Stats show that URMs are more likely to return to underserved areas as physicians. This seems to be a reason people have been giving to support the need for more URMs in medicine. However, I want to just throw in a thought. STATISTCALLY, it has been stated that URMs have lower numbers in regard to GPA and MCAT. If this resulted in low grades in medical school and low Board scores (even if the student passes), could this not result in these physicians taking less competitive positions at underserved hospitals and clinics that may also be less competitive? Again, this is hypothetical and I don't even know if underserved hospitals are less competitive or if low GPA and MCAT correlates with low board scores (anyone have data?).
3. People have also argued the need for diversity in medical schools, and other institutions as well. I fully agree with this, but let me ask, are not most of our peers just "American"? What is black culture? What is Asian culture? The lines separating these are very thin these days and will virtually diminish in the future.
There are indeed people who are very much connected to their culture and these people are necessary to create diversity. However, in our generation, there is a rapidly decreasing amount of people who can even speak the language of their ethnic origin. This loss of culture is even more evident in families that have been in the U.S for more than one generation.
Also, in these days, how can one argue that culture is defined by the color of someone's skin? Although anecdotes may not paint the whole picture, I think most people can relate to these: I have an Asian friend who was born in Asia, but raised in South America. He embraces South American culture and speaks the language as well as any native. I also have a black friend who grew up in a predominately upper-middle class white neighborhood and has no idea of his roots.
If these two friends of mine became physicians, which ethnic group of patients would they be able to relate to?
Culture is not defined by what you look like. And in regard to medical school admissions, I don't see why the color of your skin determines the cultural addition you can make to the school's diversity. Chances are fellow classmates are not going to get much information on "black culture" from my black friend and "asian culture" from my asian friend. So where's the logic in stating that different colored people are needed for diversity. I guess it looks good on posters and stuff, but that's about it.
I had a bunch of other stuff to say but I can't remember them all now. I guess I'll just pitch in my opinions as this thread moves along.