Is it too late to apply to a DO school? It is Dec 25...

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

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You really think so? That's very encouraging thanks!
Do you have any idea about which SMPs I could get into with my stats?
I would honestly prefer MD over DO but my top priority is to become a doctor

Idk, there's bound to be a few around your area. Ex: If you're in Ohio consider Toledo.

 

[jackbauer29]

Idk, there's bound to be a few around your area. Ex: If you're in Ohio consider Toledo.

That's the one I want to apply to. But I'm not sure if my stats are good enough for Toledo. I've heard it's pretty competitive

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

That's the want I want to apply to. But I'm not sure if my stats are good enough for Toledo. I've heard it pretty competitive

Well it never hurts to call and inquire.

 

[HopefulReapp]

Touro-NY: ?/30.8
Touro-Ca: 3.47/3.40/30.1
CCOM: 3.60/3.55/29
RVU: 3.60/3.57/28.33
DMU: 3.68/3.68/28.2
RowanSOM: 3.63/3.55/28
MSUCOM: 3.6/3.6/28
NYITCOM: 3.6/28
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.59/3.51/28..............................................HIGH TIERS
COMP: 3.56/3.51/28
COMP-NW: 3.55/3.49/28
AZCOM: 3.51/3.44/28
LECOM-B: 3.50/3.40/28
UNECOM: 3.5+/28
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28
PCOM: 3.46/3.37/28 (2016)
TUNCOM: ?/28
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OU-HCOM: 3.65/3.61/27.42
KCOM: 3.56/3.47/27
LECOM-E/SH: 3.48/3.35/27
ATSU-SOMA: 3.42/3.32/27 (2016)
PCOM-Ga: ?/27 (2015)
MUCOM: 3.57/3.49/26.28 .......................................MID TIERS
OSU-COM: 3.61/3.54/26
KCUMB: 3.60/3.53/26
CUSOM: 3.55/3.23/26
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26
ACOM: 3.4/26
LMU: ?/26
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PNWU: 3.40/3.31/25.76
VCOM-CC: 3.61/3.55/25 (2015)
VCOM-VC: 3.59/3.52/25 (2015)
WVSOM: 3.4/3.4/25 .....................................................LOW TIERS
KYCOM: 3.5/3.4/24
LUCOM



LOL

There aren't tiers of DO medical schools based off of GPA/MCAT, stats aren't everything and this is more true in the osteopathic world than anywhere else.

Please don't turn pre-DO into pre-allo, guys 🙁

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

There aren't tiers of DO medical schools based off of GPA/MCAT, stats aren't everything and this is more true in the osteopathic world than anywhere else.

Please don't turn pre-DO into pre-allo, guys 🙁

There are based off of age and alumni base though. Let's be frank, some schools are simply better at preparing students for competitive residency spots than others.

 

[CSqueed]

There aren't tiers of DO medical schools based off of GPA/MCAT, stats aren't everything and this is more true in the osteopathic world than anywhere else.

Please don't turn pre-DO into pre-allo, guys 🙁

And you guys wonder why there is a stigma??

 

[HopefulReapp]

And you guys wonder why there is a stigma??

Pre-allo forum, not MD physicians. I make the distinction because of the population attracted to SDN which is far outnumbered in real life. How am I inducing any sort of stigma?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Pre-allo forum, not MD physicians. I make the distinction because of the population attracted to SDN which is far outnumbered in real life. How am I inducing any sort of stigma?

I won't lie, as of late pre-do has been seemingly disseminating the notion that essentially anyone can get into medical school. I mean for what it is worth medicine is an elite profession in the eyes of many. To having ppl on here say that a 3.0/23 can be a doctor tells many premeds and physicians that the population applying to DO and getting into DO is very well unqualified.
Obviously this is wrong as osteopathic medicine is competitive and plenty of people get rejected.

 

[CSqueed]

I won't lie, as of late pre-do has been seemingly disseminating the notion that essentially anyone can get into medical school. I mean for what it is worth medicine is an elite profession in the eyes of many. To having ppl on here say that a 3.0/23 can be a doctor tells many premeds and physicians that the population applying to DO and getting into DO is very well unqualified.
Obviously this is wrong as osteopathic medicine is competitive and plenty of people get rejected.

It's not that everyone with a 3.0/23 gets into a DO school, but that a 3.0/23 isn't uncommon for getting into the newer DO schools and thus, becoming a doctor. In essence, anyone can decide to become a doctor via the DO route at any point in their lives because DO schools allow that possibility, whereas MD schools close that gate for ANYONE with a 3.0/23.

Yes, medicine is an elite profession in the eyes of many, but many don't know about DO schools. I wouldn't consider medicine nowadays as elite but more so a calling for anyone who is willing to do decent in some pre-req science courses (3.2-3.3), sit for the MCAT and score 50 percentile, and apply at any age essentially and take the DO route.

 

[HopefulReapp]

I won't lie, as of late pre-do has been seemingly disseminating the notion that essentially anyone can get into medical school. I mean for what it is worth medicine is an elite profession in the eyes of many. To having ppl on here say that a 3.0/23 can be a doctor tells many premeds and physicians that the population applying to DO and getting into DO is very well unqualified.
Obviously this is wrong as osteopathic medicine is competitive and plenty of people get rejected.

I feel that either my post is being interpreted incorrectly or I am missing something.

My original post was the difference in attitude (read: gunner) seen between the two sub-forums. Every DO resident and attending that I have met and shadowed have been very competent and seen as equals in the eyes of MD residents and attendings. This indicates, at least to me, that you don't need a 3.7 GPA and a 32 MCAT to become a successful physician.

The argument I made was not that stats do not matter, but rather that the DO population as a whole seems to attract more non-traditional applicants. Look at KCUMB with an MCAT average of 26, look at PCOM with a 28, look at CCOM with a 29. These are arguably among the better osteopathic programs in the country, and yet they are not restricting their students to 35+ MCAT scores. I found it silly to judge a school purely based off of their statistics to the point where different "tiers" were created, and I disliked seeing it in a sub-forum where I thought the posters were more mature.

Anyway, going back to your main point: SDN is just a small sample. GPA and MCAT averages are going up every year and any trend you see on this forum in opposition is just a bad sample. It seems that on SDN you either get high stat applicants trying to gain the best advice for applying to HYPS, marginal applicants on the line between MD/DO, or applicants with bottom scores that are grasping for any chance they can get and eventually migrate over here. I don't think that you get the right type of people to make fair assumptions.

 

[CSqueed]

I feel that either my post is being interpreted incorrectly or I am missing something.

My original post was the difference in attitude (read: gunner) seen between the two sub-forums. Every DO resident and attending that I have met and shadowed have been very competent and seen as equals in the eyes of MD residents and attendings. This indicates, at least to me, that you don't need a 3.7 GPA and a 32 MCAT to become a successful physician.

The argument I made was not that stats do not matter, but rather that the DO population as a whole seems to attract more non-traditional applicants. Look at KCUMB with an MCAT average of 26, look at PCOM with a 28, look at CCOM with a 29. These are arguably among the better osteopathic programs in the country, and yet they are not restricting their students to 35+ MCAT scores. I found it silly to judge a school purely based off of their statistics to the point where different "tiers" were created, and I disliked seeing it in a sub-forum where I thought the posters were more mature.

Anyway, going back to your main point: SDN is just a small sample. GPA and MCAT averages are going up every year and any trend you see on this forum in opposition is just a bad sample.

Yes, it is possible to become a physician as a lower stat premed (via DO route), but those "gunner" MD schools open more doors for their students than do DO schools, which is the payoff for having a 35+ MCAT vs a 28 MCAT. If you just want to be a "successful physician", that's even attainable as a Carib MD. Some people don't just want to be "successful physicians." Some aspire to contribute major research, even teach at major medical schools in major cities, or be that hotshot chief CT surgeon that everyone knows. Yes, everyone has an uncle's friend's cousin who did that as a DO, but it is MUCH more attainable based on the reputation of the medical school. If your goal is just to be a successful physician, it is not as difficult as non-medicine people make it out to be. That is because most people don't know about DO schools and only hear that MD schools are insanely difficult to get into, which they are.

 

[HopefulReapp]

Yes, it is possible to become a physician as a lower stat premed (via DO route), but those "gunner" MD schools open more doors for their students than do DO schools, which is the payoff for having a 35+ MCAT vs a 28 MCAT. If you just want to be a "successful physician", that's even attainable as a Carib MD. Some people don't just want to be "successful physicians." Some aspire to contribute major research, even teach at major medical schools in major cities, or be that hotshot chief CT surgeon that everyone knows. Yes, everyone has an uncle's friend's cousin who did that as a DO, but it is MUCH more attainable based on the reputation of the medical school. If your goal is just to be a successful physician, it is not as difficult as non-medicine people make it out to be. That is because most people don't know about DO schools and only hear that MD schools are insanely difficult to get into, which they are.

Again I do not understand what is with the hostility here. I did not say "gunner MD school", I said "gunner attitude." It is very possible to be high achieving while remaining a pleasant person to talk with. I feel that you need to relax.

 

[CSqueed]

Again I do not understand what is with the hostility here. I did not say "gunner MD school", I said "gunner attitude." It is very possible to be high achieving while remaining a pleasant person to talk with. I feel that you need to relax.

No one is being hostile, dude. I'm trying to help you understand what I'm saying.

 

[HopefulReapp]

No one is being hostile, dude. I'm trying to help you understand what I'm saying.

I completely understand what you are saying and agree with it for the most part, but it does not have anything to do with what I posted.

Regardless, I think that most of your fears are not warranted. We all take the same standardized exam in the end and those who cannot measure up to the requirements will be weeded out.

If your fear instead was for those students who do fail and waste their time and money, I think we have an entirely different argument.

 

[CSqueed]

I completely understand what you are saying and agree with it for the most part, but it does not have anything to do with what I posted.

Regardless, I think that most of your fears are not warranted. We all take the same standardized exam in the end and those who cannot measure up to the requirements will be weeded out.

If your fear instead was for those students who do fail and waste their time and money, I think we have an entirely different argument.

With what you posted earlier, I see a lot of students on here trying to argue for MD = DO. In the end, yes, both are doctors, both can do surgery, subspecialties etc., but that does not necessarily make them =. I made a post a while ago about what I think would make them more =, and that includes DO schools just being as competitive as MD schools to gain admission to. Some schools are on the right track (CCOM, MSUCOM to say a few), but with the opening of some of these schools like LUCOM, another LECOM coming up, only makes it easier to gain admission and thus contributes to the most common reason there is a bias in the first place: The MD's that have that bias view DO's as MD rejects.

 

[pattr]

With what you posted earlier, I see a lot of students on here trying to argue for MD = DO. In the end, yes, both are doctors, both can do surgery, subspecialties etc., but that does not necessarily make them =. I made a post a while ago about what I think would make them more =, and that includes DO schools just being as competitive as MD schools to gain admission to. Some schools are on the right track (CCOM, MSUCOM to say a few), but with the opening of some of these schools like LUCOM, another LECOM coming up, only makes it easier to gain admission and thus contributes to the most common reason there is a bias in the first place: The MD's that have that bias view DO's as MD rejects.

Lol @ CCOM and MSUCOM being "on the right track." CCOM (1900) is older/more established than the majority of MD schools. There have been nearly 40 MD schools established since 1969 when MSUCOM was founded.