Re the bolded: That's the ideal, not the reality.
From my understanding, you have to report any board scores no matter what. Otherwise you might get in trouble during residency interviews.
Incorrect.
You don’t have to report any usmle if you don’t want to.
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I agree with everything except for the low first time MCAT criteria. It is a confusing critaria.Time and time again people that had a low MCAT do well on the USMLE. More than 50% of DOs (most with low MCATs) take the USMLE every year with a 96% or above passing rate. So how low of an MCAT score are we talking about? Lower than 500? Lower than 496? Is just above 500 (501-503) not low?
Yes, I can agree with that. But how low of an MCAT though? They didn't define low? Low may fall on different brackets for different people. Also, do they account for people that had low MCAT maybe because English was their second or third language? What about people that just didn't study well on their first MCAT, and killed it on their second go around?
Nearly 80 percent of the 300 students who were admitted to MSUCOM in 2019 are Michigan residents. 15 percent of the class are from groups underrepresented in medicine; 36 percent are persons of color; 16 percent are first generation college students; 19 percent are non-traditional students. Average MCAT is 507 and science GPA is 3.7. Fully 6,155 persons applied for admission to this class -- a 9.4 percent increase over 2018.
This is already happening. People used to get 650+ on comlex and not be able to pass step. Now it would be very surprising for anyone with that comlex not to get AT LEAST an average score on step.
Just my experience with the programs at my site, but I don’t think they realize/care about the score fluctuations year to year. They just set it at the number they set it at and call it. So I’m skeptical that even our former AOA programs really know that a 550 one year isn’t the same as a 550 the next.
Bc undergrad doesn't prepare you for MCAT.
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I agree with that. I was implying pass. That's why pass rate is so high for boards for med students.
There was a rule change yes. Although I’m not sure when exactly it happened. The current deans from my experience still don’t know about the rule change.
It makes sense for them to be related and anyone who disagrees is probably just upset because they had a lower MCAT score. I think the important point to realize is that the MCAT is predictive if you studied correctly and put close to 100% effort into it. Obviously, if you studied your butt off and then pulled a sub-500 score, you're not likely to study your butt off and get a 250+ on Step 1. Sure, it's possible, but not likely. On the other hand, if you barely studied for the MCAT, rolled in and got a 505+, and now you're grinding hard for Step, that's a different story.The link between MCAT score and USMLE Step 1 score is well established. If it was not predictive, then it would be stupid to use MCAT scores as an admission criteria imo.
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We computed Pearson product-moment correlation coefficients to assess the general relationship between MCAT composite scores and USMLE exam scores. We found positive correlations for both Step 1 (r=0.39, p<0.001) and Step 2 CK (r=0.31, p<0.001). These results indicate significant moderately positive relationships between MCAT composite scores and USMLE exam scores.
USMLE Step 1 score increased 3.548 points for each point on the MCAT BS component, 2.215 points for each point on the MCAT PS component, and 0.748 points for each point on the MCAT VR component.
Do MCAT scores predict USMLE scores? An analysis on 5 years of medical student data
The purpose of this study was to determine the associations and predictive values of Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) component and composite scores prior to 2015 with U.S. Medical Licensure Exam (USMLE) Step 1 and Step 2 Clinical Knowledge (CK) ...
VCOM takes in a whole slue of kids from the post-bacc with sub 500 MCAT's. These students are in Honors with the best of us and have gotten 90th percentile scores on Step in recent years. I just have a hard time believing MCAT and Boards are correlated heavily. If anything look at one's pre-clinical GPA.
You missed my point. You have no idea how those people prepped for the MCAT vs. how they prepped for Step 1. That's the deciding factor, in my opinion. Also, I highly doubt every single one of those sub-500 MCATs are in honors and crushing boards. Pre-clinical GPA is too variable and dependent on curriculum.
As you stated - those that don't have high MCAT's don't want there to be a correlation. I'm starting to believe you had a higher MCAT and also are reaching for a more signifacant correlation than there actually is.
This is in general true. However, I have noticed an increase in the cut offs for many programs this year, which I think is related to 2019s bloated scores.
This graph is showing that no matter your MCAT, you'll still succeed in medical school.
No, it’s directly addressing the false assumption that higher MCAT’s aren’t related to higher Step scores.
What I said is true as well which is surprising nonetheless. I thought a 472 MCAT would fail med school. I guess this assumption was wrong. Yes higher MCAT may be associated with high scores. But why does it matter if someone got a 210 vs 280. Both people are Doctors? Also, does 280 translates to better patient care?
