Is SDN's opinion on LUCOM representative of the majority?

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The majority of who? You are going to need to define the population.
 
I guess people in general and also the medical community.

Everyone I know in real life has no opinion on liberty (in general) or LUCOM. I have no medical friends so I cant draw an opinion there.
 
asdf123g said:
I guess people in general and also the medical community.

Everyone I know in real life has no opinion on liberty (in general) or LUCOM. I have no medical friends so I cant draw an opinion there.
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Everyone I know in real life wished everything Jerry Falwell ever touched would burn to the ground. That's just a matter of where you live/how you grew up. The concerns I've read about LUCOM are it's absurdly low entrance standards, the effects it's prominent religous mission might have on it's ability to teach properly, and its unproven ability to match students into residency.
 
Aren't their entrance #'s pure speculation? I could be mistaken, but i dont think they're released offficial #'s on their class profile(s)
 
asdf123g said:
Aren't their entrance #'s pure speculation? I could be mistaken, but i dont think they're released offficial #'s on their class profile(s)
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They have and they're pretty good for being an inagural class. The prospective students interviewing now are more competitive so I would guess the numbers for next year will increase. Also, people on SDN like to say the adcom made up or fudged the numbers.
 
Anthonyweiner said:
They have and they're pretty good for being an inagural class. The prospective students interviewing now are more competitive so I would guess the numbers for next year will increase. Also, people on SDN like to say the adcom made up or fudged the numbers.
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Opinions, opinions everywhere.
 
asdf123g said:
it gets a lot of hate on these boards. would you say this opinion is the majority? limited mostly to SDN? cant say?
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I come from a family of doctors, mostly MDs. No one I know has an opinion about Liberty or cares about Jerry Falwell. As a new school and the inaugural class, its up to us to set what LUCOM will be known for.
 
asdf123g said:
I guess people in general and also the medical community.

Everyone I know in real life has no opinion on liberty (in general) or LUCOM. I have no medical friends so I cant draw an opinion there.
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Depends on if you are asking a Christian or non-Christian medical provider probably. There is a substantial amount of Christian-hate in the world today. Lots of it is probably self-induced...but Christians tend to be put in a box, much like Muslims. The difference is that it is more socially acceptable to bash a Christian college on SDN.
 
Essentially when you look at LUCOM there are a few camps of criticism.

The first is the straight forward Jerry Falwell, ultra neo-theo-conservatism, bad to associate the school with osteopathic medicine.

The second is run away DO expansion, where people find the growth rate of DO schools especially aligned with non-reputable schools troubling and dangerous both to public image and for our own training recognition.

The third is the general view and distrust of all new schools. Fundamentally it is further validated by some university practices that make it seem untested, imply that it doesn't seem to inherently be heavily invested into the area, and finally that they may suffer complications with accreditation since it's first class is very substandard. All of these in combination make it very likely that the first class will suffer both enormous drop out rates and board complications. Which will subsequently endanger your own chances of graduating and practicing. I.e if you're a 4th year student and your school suddenly finds itself in deep violation of COCA that it shuts down you will not be able to apply to residencies.

Now just one of these is already enough to make me think that it's a dangerous investment and that there is enough people saying no, but all 3? Well, I'll be frank, if tomorrow LUCOM shutdown, osteopathic medicine would find itself better off.
 
j4pac said:
Depends on if you are asking a Christian or non-Christian medical provider probably. There is a substantial amount of Christian-hate in the world today. Lots of it is probably self-induced...but Christians tend to be put in a box, much like Muslims. The difference is that it is more socially acceptable to bash a Christian college on SDN.
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The total amount of Christian hate in the history after the Roman's adopted it as their state religion pales in comparison to the hate religious groups have put on non-christians, minorities, non heteronormative adhering persons in the last hour.

And if in your opinion defending an institute that is associated with a man who believed with all his heart that AIDs was a Just action upon a wicked nation and world by god is emulating Christ, then you're not a very good Christian.
 
serenade said:
The total amount of Christian hate in the history after the Roman's adopted it as their state religion pales in comparison to the hate religious groups have put on non-christians, minorities, non heteronormative adhering persons in the last hour.

And if in your opinion defending an institute that is associated with a man who believed with all his heart that AIDs was a Just action upon a wicked nation and world by god is emulating Christ, then you're not a very good Christian.
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Do you know anything about your institutions founder?

There aren't religious hating on non-religious around here. Only the other way around.
 
Extremes (either way [left, right, up, down, x/y/z]) are usually not seen positively.
 
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Those that are religious will continue to support their faith without evidence and those that are not religious will continue to argue against religion failing to understand that religious people don't care about evidence. its a never ending cyclical argument
 
Rogert said:
You clearly haven't been to the sociopolitical forum 😛
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Maybe not. 🙂 I stick with the pre-med osteo, osteo, military, and PM&R forums. so much forum...so little time.

Sorry if there are some fundamentalist Christians blasting the atheists...maybe I just haven't been around long enough.
 
serenade said:
Yes, I do. I know both about my undergrad and my medical school.

Complain harder mr. oppressed majority.
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What are their religious opinions? Political opinions?
 
serenade said:
I never imagined that so many doctors were openly racist, homophobic, anti-semetic, anti-science, and generally outright mentally dysfunctional until I saw both the sociopolitical form and Ben Carson speak for 2 seconds.
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When did you realize that doctor are human beings?
 
serenade said:
I never imagined that so many doctors were openly racist, homophobic, anti-semetic, anti-science, and generally outright mentally dysfunctional until I saw both the sociopolitical form and Ben Carson speak for 2 seconds.
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Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like a place to avoid.
 
j4pac said:
Maybe not. 🙂 I stick with the pre-med osteo, osteo, military, and PM&R forums. so much forum...so little time.

Sorry if there are some fundamentalist Christians blasting the atheists...maybe I just haven't been around long enough.
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j4pac said:
What are their religious opinions? Political opinions?
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It's a hive of scum and villainy. It feels like home.

Christian-ish. Kill all the Redcoats.
 
Yet nobody here ever seems to bitch about Loma Linda, MUCOM, Tulane, Gtown, Einstein, the Touros, BU or Creighton about being religious institutions.

j4pac said:
Depends on if you are asking a Christian or non-Christian medical provider probably. There is a substantial amount of Christian-hate in the world today. Lots of it is probably self-induced...but Christians tend to be put in a box, much like Muslims. The difference is that it is more socially acceptable to bash a Christian college on SDN.
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N =1 but our OMM chair, who knows the Dean at LUCOM, has a low opinion of both.

My beef with LUCOM is with the politics of their parent organization, its founder (and j4, the founder of my school was a very altruistic, good-hearted, socially-responsible man), the dissembling of their administrators, and reports I've heard that their faculty don't know what they're doing. Granted, on the latter, I do take with a grain of salt, and know w that there are two sides to every story. Oh, and it doesn't instill me with confidence that they refuse to make public their student handbook.
 
Rogert said:
It's a hive of scum and villainy. It feels like home.

Christian-ish. Kill all the Redcoats.
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lol. Exactly.

I don't know my founders political opinions. I know that they are Catholic and can very well believe the same stuff that the LUCOM founder stated. You will get the same (insert something bad) is because God is angry at other denomination churches...including Catholic. Is that a reason to never attend the school? I don't think so. As long as they aren't actively preaching to the med school class (which I doubt they are)...then I believe that your founders dirty laundry list isn't the reason to attend or not attend.
 
Anthonyweiner said:
MCAT and GPA are the only measures of a person?
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Caribbean schools notoriously have high attrition rates due to low admission standards. So yes, they aren't the "only measures" but they are the most indicative of a students ability to get through and match in 4 years time.

As far as religion "bashing", I never see any Loma Linda hate on SDN. Probably because it isn't run by racist trash http://www.georgecurry.com/columns/jerry-falwells-racist-past-.

Also a homophobe and anti-semite. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2007/05/faithbased_fraud.html
 
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Goro said:
Yet nobody here ever seems to bitch about Loma Linda, MUCOM, Tulane, Gtown, Einstein, the Touros, BU or Creighton about being religious institutions.




N =1 but our OMM chair, who knows the Dean at LUCOM, has a low opinion of both.

My beef with LUCOM is with the politics of their parent organization, its founder (and j4, the founder of my school was a very altruistic, good-hearted, socially-responsible man), the dissembling of their administrators, and reports I've heard that their faculty don't know what they're doing. Granted, on the latter, I do take with a grain of salt, and know w that there are two sides to every story. Oh, and it doesn't instill me with confidence that they refuse to make public their student handbook.
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Goro...lots of respect for you, man. But I think that I'm a very altruistic, good-hearted, socially responsible man...and I know that I am glad that I am not defined by some of the stupid things that I have said in my life. I've been around the block enough to know to never put someone on a pedestal.

And I completely agree with you in regards to their student handbook and vagueness of their "reporting" wrong-doing...that to me would be a legitimate reason to not attend. But on the flip side that...who knows if that is a clause in other student handbooks. It may be...for all I know.
 
Goro said:
Yet nobody here ever seems to bitch about Loma Linda, MUCOM, Tulane, Gtown, Einstein, the Touros, BU or Creighton about being religious institutions.




N =1 but our OMM chair, who knows the Dean at LUCOM, has a low opinion of both.

My beef with LUCOM is with the politics of their parent organization, its founder (and j4, the founder of my school was a very altruistic, good-hearted, socially-responsible man), the dissembling of their administrators, and reports I've heard that their faculty don't know what they're doing. Granted, on the latter, I do take with a grain of salt, and know w that there are two sides to every story. Oh, and it doesn't instill me with confidence that they refuse to make public their student handbook.
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Don't forget about my school...
CUSOM!
 
Can we stay on topic? I think like 1-2 person actually answered the question with their opinion
 
serenade said:
Yes, I do. I know both about my undergrad and my medical school.

Complain harder mr. oppressed majority.
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I think you made a pretty sizeable leap here. Even if you're correct, I don't think his post warrants your response. His post was objective fact and hit the nail squarely on the head.
 
serenade said:
I never imagined that so many doctors were openly racist, homophobic, anti-semetic, anti-science, and generally outright mentally dysfunctional until I saw both the sociopolitical form and Ben Carson speak for 2 seconds.
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I don't think many doctors are good people.
 
Yes LUCOM is terrible. Nobody apply there . . . less competition for me. But in all seriousness the people that comment on LUCOM threads are only the ones with strong opinions. Frankly 90% have never attended there or been there. They know someone who knows someone who drove by there one time. So in short I believe that the very loud minority make LUCOM seem much worse than it probably is. But I've never been there either. Just my observations of people with a lot of opinions.
 
allantois said:
Very interesting to see new users with only a few messages come in and defend LUCOM.
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if you are referring to Dr. Death, then i suggest you look at the things she/he's posted by cehcking the profile. This is the only things hes posted regarding LUCOM, everything is is irrelevant to LUCOM and they sound like a student...unless thats what they want us to think *cue dramatic music*
 
I think most educated people who are familiar with the school have a negative attitude towards it. However, most people as a matter of population have no idea what LUCOM is. If you can swallow what they feed you for 4 years and manage to get a residency, you'll be able to have a normal career. Be aware that even PDs could know about this school and have bad taste, and certainly in academic medicine you could find a steep hill.
 
If you want to just get through school and become a family med physician, you won't be held back in life by getting your medical degree from Liberty. Your average joe on the street won't know, nor will he care about where you attended med school.

If you're going for some sort of prestigious residency, you might have problems with PDs. Anyone going to a new school (particularly an osteopathic school) is going to have some trouble with that, though. Having the same "Liberty" on your app just might close a few more doors since physicians are people with their own biases and beliefs. Educated people will always associate Liberty U with radical Christianity, so your reputation will precede you whether you like it or not.
 
NurWollen said:
I wonder how people would react if BYU were to open a med school.
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I would be okay with a BYU medical school. It would have strong academics and research, and would likely be an excellent school overall. Unlike LUCOM, BYU teaches actual science (they tech evolution as a fact, while LUCOM advocates young earth creationism, for instance). Given their longstanding commitment to quality education over dogma, they, much like CUSOM, MUCOM, Loma Linda, etc, would likely be well received into the medical fold.
 
Mad Jack said:
LUCOM advocates young earth creationism, for instance
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LUCOM does no such thing. The undergrad campus may incorporate creationism but I'm not too sure since I didn't attend Liberty University's undergrad.
 
Anthonyweiner said:
LUCOM does no such thing. The undergrad campus may incorporate creationism but I'm not too sure since I didn't attend Liberty University's undergrad.
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I meant Liberty University.

In any case, I don't think I'd ever bring a LUCOM grad on board as a partner in the future, nor would I expect them to be taken seriously in the academic world. I've had discussions with several academic attendings that literally couldn't believe such a school was allowed to exist- it really reflects poorly on the DO profession. So there's the answer to your original question.
 
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