Is the Caribbean my only possible route now?

[hallowmann]

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I think class sizes were a lot smaller in the not-so-distant past. It's only recently that they've started taking around 1500 people a year (from what I've heard.)

It's been at least 1200-1300 a year since at least 2012. I think if my memory is correct, is been at least >1000 since at least 2009. Obviously it was less in the 70s, 80s, and 90s when med school in general was in a lull.

 

[piotrkol1]

A post bac with linkage means if you get the prescribed GPA in the post bac, usually 3.2 to 3.5, depending on the school, your in the next med school class. I'm not following your reasoning about not doing the post bac. If you cant perform to the required level there, what makes you think you will succeed in the Caribbean?

Well if you go back through the RFU BMS threads on here there's always a handful of people every year who avoid getting a C but still don't get into the MD program. For most of the SMP programs it seems implied that you'll get in if you do well, but it's not some sort of official contract that comes with a guarantee.

 

[chemdoctor]

Well if you go back through the RFU BMS threads on here there's always a handful of people every year who avoid getting a C but still don't get into the MD program. For most of the SMP programs it seems implied that you'll get in if you do well, but it's not some sort of official contract that comes with a guarantee.

A lot of them have a guaranteed INTERVIEW, or a guaranteed SPOT.

LECOM and Drexel come to mind; they have guaranteed spots provided you meet a certain GPA requirement

 

[Deecee2DO]

Yup believe it or not it's actually true.
The FSMB (Federation of State Medical Boards) does a survey every 2 years and the survey includes the medical school attended of all practicing physicians in the U.S.
Here's a link to the survey results from 2018.

https://www.fsmb.org/siteassets/advocacy/publications/us-medical-regulatory-trends-actions.pdf

absolutely wildd

 

[Deecee2DO]

I believe some PODs in my area make like $300k a year (private practice).

I believe it

 

[ThrowawayShmoaway]

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive. I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

Cool story, troll.

 

[olabrador23]

Yes, the MCAT can only be taken a maximum of 7 times. The fact that OP took it 6 times is a massive issue for most schools. You don't get to take Step more than once (assuming you pass it, and you really don't want to fail it).

OP, picking a different career path within healthcare is infinitely better than going Caribbean.

hmmm.... really???

9 Things to Know Before Taking USMLE Step 1 exam | BoardVitals

Do you know the answers to these common questions about taking, and passing, USMLE Step 1, aka the "Boards"?

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Yes. You can retake the USMLE Step 1 exam up to six times. You can only take the exam a maximum of three times within a 12-month period. Your fourth and subsequent attempts must be at least 12 months after your first attempt, and at least six months after your most recent attempt.

United States Medical Licensing Examination | Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

The United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE) assesses a physician's ability to apply knowledge, concepts, and principles, and to demonstrate fundamental patient-centered skills, that are important in health and disease.

www.usmle.org

Eligibility
Is there a limit on the number of times Steps can be taken?
You are ineligible to take a Step or Step Component if you have made six or more prior attempts to pass that Step or Step Component, including incomplete attempts.


USMLE - I finally passed! after failing 3 times.
(some US MD hit the limit for Step 1 by taking Steps of 6 times-finally passed and matched)
To the OP: on this note alone, please do not go to the Carib. It is true that you will not have the luxury of taking the Steps multiple times and matched coming from a Carib program.




but please advise away 🙂

Today I got a rejection email from UQ-Oschner. I'm sort of stunned, since it seemed like the general consensus with that program was that you were in pretty good shape if you met the cut-offs. I dont think I've even seen anyone make a post in the UQ-Oschner threads stating they were rejected (with the exception of the class being full in late fall). I figured worst-case scenario I would atleast get waitlisted (that seems to be new this year). I mean, I even studied abroad at UQ so I figured that would work in my favor. I can't believe my interview performance was the reason I got rejected either.

My MCAT is 509. Back when DO had the grade replacement my undergraduate and science GPA was 3.0, but now my undergrad is 2.9 and science is lower. In addition to retakes I did a DIY post-bacc and so I had an upward trend at the end.

I did the BMS program at RFU but I got Cs in two medical school classes so that didn't help. I know some people will say that looks really bad, but the medical students' average exam grades in all the classes were just above 80%, so in theory there were plenty of medical students who would've gotten Cs too (medical students were graded pass/fail.) Yes, I'll admit that neuroscience was a disaster and I barely passed, but with physiology I didn't miss a B by much.

In terms of ECs, I've been working as an EMT for almost 3 1/2 years now so I'm guessing I have around 4500 clinical hours. I've also done some volunteering & shadowing (including a DO).

At this point would it be a waste of time and money to apply DO? I've researched the Caribbean route before and while it obviously wouldn't be impossible to succeed via that route, it's not optimal. The thought of going down there sort of depresses me and I'm worried that I might not perform well in that environment. I'm 27 now though so part of me feels I need to get on with this. I'm not sure if it's too late for me to start in the Caribbean this fall anyways. My whole family is from Poland and I have been there numerous times so that had been another option. However, Jagiellonian now only offers a 6 year program for high school graduates and while Poznan still has the 4 year program, you have to take a separate entrance exam, which I really don't want to study for considering my MCAT score.

 

[Calizboosted76]

hmmm.... really???

9 Things to Know Before Taking USMLE Step 1 exam | BoardVitals

Do you know the answers to these common questions about taking, and passing, USMLE Step 1, aka the "Boards"?

www.boardvitals.com

Yes. You can retake the USMLE Step 1 exam up to six times. You can only take the exam a maximum of three times within a 12-month period. Your fourth and subsequent attempts must be at least 12 months after your first attempt, and at least six months after your most recent attempt.

United States Medical Licensing Examination | Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

The United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE) assesses a physician's ability to apply knowledge, concepts, and principles, and to demonstrate fundamental patient-centered skills, that are important in health and disease.

www.usmle.org

Eligibility
Is there a limit on the number of times Steps can be taken?
You are ineligible to take a Step or Step Component if you have made six or more prior attempts to pass that Step or Step Component, including incomplete attempts.


USMLE - I finally passed! after failing 3 times.
(some US MD hit the limit for Step 1 by taking Steps of 6 times-finally passed and matched)

but please advise away 🙂

I believe what the person you quoted said was that assuming you PASS you can only take it once. If you fail yes you can take it again.

 

[olabrador23]

I believe what the person you quoted said was that assuming you PASS you can only take it once. If you fail yes you can take it again.

it is all good then. Thanks 🙂

 

[Sephirakra]

hmmm.... really???

9 Things to Know Before Taking USMLE Step 1 exam | BoardVitals

Do you know the answers to these common questions about taking, and passing, USMLE Step 1, aka the "Boards"?

www.boardvitals.com

Yes. You can retake the USMLE Step 1 exam up to six times. You can only take the exam a maximum of three times within a 12-month period. Your fourth and subsequent attempts must be at least 12 months after your first attempt, and at least six months after your most recent attempt.

United States Medical Licensing Examination | Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

The United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE) assesses a physician's ability to apply knowledge, concepts, and principles, and to demonstrate fundamental patient-centered skills, that are important in health and disease.

www.usmle.org

Eligibility
Is there a limit on the number of times Steps can be taken?
You are ineligible to take a Step or Step Component if you have made six or more prior attempts to pass that Step or Step Component, including incomplete attempts.


USMLE - I finally passed! after failing 3 times.
(some US MD hit the limit for Step 1 by taking Steps of 6 times-finally passed and matched)
To the OP: on this note alone, please do not go to the Carib. It is true that you will not have the luxury of taking the Steps multiple times and matched coming from a Carib program.




but please advise away 🙂

Right below that on the page you linked:

"Can I retake a Step that I previously passed?


If you pass a Step or Step Component, you are not allowed to retake it, except to comply with certain state board requirements which have been previously approved by USMLE governance."

 

[olabrador23]

Right below that on the page you linked:

"Can I retake a Step that I previously passed?


If you pass a Step or Step Component, you are not allowed to retake it, except to comply with certain state board requirements which have been previously approved by USMLE governance."

yup, my bad. My apology, brother / sister! 🙂

 

[Sephirakra]

yup, my bad. My apology, brother / sister! 🙂

Sorry, I wasn't trying to pile on. The commment by Calizboosted76 must've been posted while I was typing mine.

 

[Deecee2DO]

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive. I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

Go away

 

[happydo1]

Well if you go back through the RFU BMS threads on here there's always a handful of people every year who avoid getting a C but still don't get into the MD program. For most of the SMP programs it seems implied that you'll get in if you do well, but it's not some sort of official contract that comes with a guarantee.

My friend just got accepted to LMU's SMP and they now offer a guaranteed acceptance as long as you have at least have a 499 MCAT and a 3.4 gpa for Fall Semester. So if you are confident in your abilities you could try their program. I think they are still accepting applicants.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive. I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

You must be joking.

 

[Med Ed]

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive.

Repeat after me: "Income-based repayment plan."

I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

Occasional success?

 

[Medic741]

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive. I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

yikes.

 

[PA_dud3]

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive. I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

Bro what

 

[Lawpy]

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive. I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

 

[Seihai]

yikes.

Repeat after me: "Income-based repayment plan."
Occasional success?

You must be joking.

Go away

Bro what

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Pretty sure the guy's a troll. His only post on SDN ever and a recent account. Just ignore him.

 

[CaribMedStudent123]

Pretty sure the guy's a troll. His only post on SDN ever and a recent account. Just ignore him.

This school has given me an opportunity even though I had fallen on some hard times and/or bad luck during college. My friend's older brother just graduated from SJSM and will be starting residency in Neurology in the coming days.

 

[ciestar]

This school has given me an opportunity even though I had fallen on some hard times and/or bad luck during college. My friend's older brother just graduated from SJSM and will be starting residency in Neurology in the coming days.

Still doesn’t make it a good idea. And your friend is of the 50% IMGs who actually match. Those odds kinda suck to me. (And everyone who goes carib thinks they will be that success story)

Additionally, I feel as though not going to a Big 4 has a bigger stigma than going *insert other off shore school here*

 

[DrStephenStrange]

This school has given me an opportunity even though I had fallen on some hard times and/or bad luck during college. My friend's older brother just graduated from SJSM and will be starting residency in Neurology in the coming days.

Report back in 4 years when you struggling in the match, or earlier if you get filtered out before then. Good luck.

 

[Allosteopath]

Your body your choice.

 

[Kardio]

:troll: :troll: :troll:

OP, look into Saint James School of Medicine in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I was just accepted with 2.6 GA and 494 MCAT and I will be attending this fall. I believe your stats are competitive. I like this school because it doesn't have the stigma of the "Big 4".

This school has given me an opportunity even though I had fallen on some hard times and/or bad luck during college. My friend's older brother just graduated from SJSM and will be starting residency in Neurology in the coming days.

 

[SLC]

Some Caribbean schools also come with restrictions on practice in certain states. California is one such state. I did a Nephro elective with a guy from Saint James; was a California Native. He couldn’t match in certain states; and can’t practice in them (even in his home state) as an attending.

 

[hallowmann]

Some Caribbean schools also come with restrictions on practice in certain states. California is one such state. I did a Nephro elective with a guy from Saint James; was a California Native. He couldn’t match in certain states; and can’t practice in them (even in his home state) as an attending.

Last I checked the only Carib schools with the ability to obtain licensure in all states are the Big 4 (SGU, AUC, Ross, and Saba) + AUA. All other schools, St James included, have restrictions on where you can get licensed. Everyone should be well aware of this before ever setting foot on one of those islands, or in any international med school for that matter.

 

[samac]

Look man, I’m just going to sum it all up for you in one post. Take it or leave it:
1) you don’t have an upward trend in your abysmal 2.9 GPA. You got 2 C’s in the SMP. Ouch. It’s one thing to start off poorly and come back stronger after a killer first few semesters. You didn’t.
2) You didn’t do well in the SMP. This shows that you would struggle in medical school. It gets harder from there. It doesn’t matter that some medical students scored like you, they’re already in. You were there to prove yourself, you failed.
3) you show crappy judgement by taking the MCAT 6 times. Good on you for getting a 509, but it shouldn’t take that many times to get there. This would tell me you probably would struggle with the STEP/COMLEX.

I don’t think doing another SMP would help unless it is one with a direct linkage with a certain GPA, you then have to obtain that GPA. That’ll be hard. I think you’re done with any chance at American schools.
Caribbean is an option, but being totally honest I think it’s a stupid one. You have done nothing to prove you can succeed there. You’ll likely fail out, but they’ll gladly take your money.

If you’re hellbent on healthcare and won't go into podiatry I recommend going back to nursing school and then on to an NP. It’s be a comfortable living with tons of patient care.

 

[gyngyn]

I've invested a lot of time, money, studying, and effort into this endeavor so I'm not quite ready to scrap everything.

This is known as the "sunk cost fallacy."

 

[Ho0v-man]

You blew it in med school lite. The full med school is harder. And it gets harder every semester. The end of second year was about 3 times harder than the beginning of first year.

The people in your smp who were successful are still going to struggle in the full version of med school.

The admissions process for med school is anything but perfect. People who could have been wonderful physicians can and do fall through the cracks every year. Just a little bit better gpa. Maybe another mcat retake. If only I was born in a “lucky state” or wasn’t ORM.

The above doesn’t apply to you. You didn’t get edged out barely on one metric. You got your butt kicked on multiple fronts. You didn’t slip through the cracks. You’re not the exception that proves the rule. You’re the rule.

You’re not qualified to be a physician. You just don’t have what it takes. Most people don’t and there’s no shame in that.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

You blew it in med school lite. The full med school is harder. And it gets harder every semester. The end of second year was about 3 times harder than the beginning of first year.

The people in your smp who were successful are still going to struggle in the full version of med school.

The admissions process for med school is anything but perfect. People who could have been wonderful physicians can and do fall through the cracks every year. Just a little bit better gpa. Maybe another mcat retake. If only I was born in a “lucky state” or wasn’t ORM.

The above doesn’t apply to you. You didn’t get edged out barely on one metric. You got your butt kicked on multiple fronts. You didn’t slip through the cracks. You’re not the exception that proves the rule. You’re the rule.

You’re not qualified to be a physician. You just don’t have what it takes. Most people don’t and there’s no shame in that.

Wow, that was harsh, but probably what OP needed to read to set him straight. To OP (@piotrkol1), if you're still dead set on going to Med school let this post serve you as motivation to prove us wrong, and show us that indeed you have what it takes by working your butt off in the next few years and get in a US Med school (Not Caribbean). I'm telling you this because I was KINDA in your shoes once, with English being my 3rd language, I had a good GPA 3.7 in undergrad, but I took the old MCAT once (got an 18), and the new MCAT 4 times (487, 492, 500, 499) despite my practice FLs showing me scoring in the 505 range the last 3 times. People also told me I didn't have what it takes. During my application cycle, I applied to 35 schools (7 MDs, and 28 DOs) because I didn't have anything else to lose and was also dead set on going to Med school to the point that I even applied and got accepted to SGU as well the same cycle. So, let me tell you OP, I don't know if I had the Gods on my side, or if it's whatever was on my application, maybe my unique life story (being from Port-au-prince, Haiti and surviving the 2010 earthquake that killed ~300K ppl in 4 seconds), but to my greatest surprise schools actually thought I could succeed and were sending me interview invites left and right, and I ended up with a total of 12 IIs (1 in-state MD, and 11 DOs) including schools like KCOM, CUSOM and KCU (KCU has a MCAT screen of 501 BTW, I'm telling you it was definitely the GODs or pure luck lol). I attended 5 of the invites (1 MD and 4 DOs), got accepted to 2 DOs and rejected or waitlisted to the rest.

Anyway, now, I'm an incoming OMS2, top 50% in my class, and already reviewing and practicing for Boards (USMLE and COMLEX) with pretty good results so far by the way. All that to tell you to work harder, don't sell yourself short because of something someone says on SDN, and be motivated. You can do better if you can find your weakness(es) and correct it (them), persevere, and be disciplined enough to know what you can or can't do.

 

[Goro]

You’re not qualified to be a physician. You just don’t have what it takes. Most people don’t and there’s no shame in that.

No, the OP is not qualified to go to medical school. Being a physician is more than good grades. But we are indeed making the point that one has to be a good medical student into order to get to be a physician.

 

[Ho0v-man]

No, the OP is not qualified to go to medical school. Being a physician is more than good grades. But we are indeed making the point that one has to be a good medical student into order to get to be a physician.

Unsure of the point here, Goro. If one isn’t qualified to attend medical school, they are by default not qualified to be a physician.

 

[chemdoctor]

Unsure of the point here, Goro. If one isn’t qualified to attend medical school, they are by default not qualified to be a physician.

There are different methods of qualification. Empathy, resilience, strength and being able to interact with patients is a big deal too...

 

[Ho0v-man]

There are different methods of qualification. Empathy, resilience, strength and being able to interact with patients is a big deal too...

That is a correct but pointless observation. Be as empathetic and humanistic as you want. It won’t help you be a doctor when you can’t get into medical school in the first place so it doesn’t matter.

 

[eberge3]

apply DO - see what you get. I wouldnt do another SMP if you already did one.

how many people were chosen into RFU from the BMS?

 

[Dave1980]

I'm afraid I'm not very interested in solely treating foot problems for the rest of my life. It doesn't matter to me that I'd still be considered a "doctor" or if it lands me a good salary. I would have no interest in becoming an anesthesiologist or radiologist either, by the way. I've invested a lot of time, money, studying, and effort into this endeavor so I'm not quite ready to scrap everything.

What an odd statement. Seems like the OP doesn't realize that there is not a separate pathway to become a radiologist or anesthesiologist.

@OP time to throw in the towel

 

[chemdoctor]

What an odd statement. Seems like the OP doesn't realize that there is not a separate pathway to become a radiologist or anesthesiologist.

@OP time to throw in the towel

I think OP meant that although those are good specialties with good pay and lifestyle balance, he wouldn’t want to pursue them due to being uninterested?

 

[DO_or_Die]

I think your MCAT is good, above average for DO schools. I think your GPA is low, yes, but not entirely too low. I would apply early, like now, and I would apply broadly. Skip the coastal touros and regional schools. You might get several interviews and then come up with a logical explanation for why your grades are low.

 

[chemdoctor]

I think your MCAT is good, above average for DO schools. I think your GPA is low, yes, but not entirely too low. I would apply early, like now, and I would apply broadly. Skip the coastal touros and regional schools. You might get several interviews and then come up with a logical explanation for why your grades are low.

It's possible but I definitely think OP needs to pursue an SMP or at least a post bacc. He risks serious screen out with GPAs THAT low...

 

[Tozanzibarbymotorcar]

Last chance. Apply to Touro NY masters program with guaranteed linkage.

 

[samac]

I think your MCAT is good, above average for DO schools. I think your GPA is low, yes, but not entirely too low. I would apply early, like now, and I would apply broadly. Skip the coastal touros and regional schools. You might get several interviews and then come up with a logical explanation for why your grades are low.

You’re way too optimistic. 6 attempts to get the 509.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

You’re way too optimistic. 6 attempts to get the 509.

Well, my MCAT was worst and I had 5 attempts. Although, GPA was high.

Wow, that was harsh, but probably what OP needed to read to set him straight. To OP (@piotrkol1), if you're still dead set on going to Med school let this post serve you as motivation to prove us wrong, and show us that indeed you have what it takes by working your butt off in the next few years and get in a US Med school (Not Caribbean). I'm telling you this because I was KINDA in your shoes once, with English being my 3rd language, I had a good GPA 3.7 in undergrad, but I took the old MCAT once (got an 18), and the new MCAT 4 times (487, 492, 500, 499) despite my practice FLs showing me scoring in the 505 range the last 3 times. People also told me I didn't have what it takes. During my application cycle, I applied to 35 schools (7 MDs, and 28 DOs) because I didn't have anything else to lose and was also dead set on going to Med school to the point that I even applied and got accepted to SGU as well the same cycle. So, let me tell you OP, I don't know if I had the Gods on my side, or if it's whatever was on my application, maybe my unique life story (being from Port-au-prince, Haiti and surviving the 2010 earthquake that killed ~300K ppl in 4 seconds), but to my greatest surprise schools actually thought I could succeed and were sending me interview invites left and right, and I ended up with a total of 12 IIs (1 in-state MD, and 11 DOs) including schools like KCOM, CUSOM and KCU (KCU has a MCAT screen of 501 BTW, I'm telling you it was definitely the GODs or pure luck lol). I attended 5 of the invites (1 MD and 4 DOs), got accepted to 2 DOs and rejected or waitlisted to the rest.

Anyway, now, I'm an incoming OMS2, top 50% in my class, and already reviewing and practicing for Boards (USMLE and COMLEX) with pretty good results so far by the way. All that to tell you to work harder, don't sell yourself short because of something someone says on SDN, and be motivated. You can do better if you can find your weakness(es) and correct it (them), persevere, and be disciplined enough to know what you can or can't do.

 

[piotrkol1]

You’re way too optimistic. 6 attempts to get the 509.

I've seen several schools state on their website that they only take your highest score into account, so I think it would be kind of cruel to state that but then still mark you down for multiple exam attempts.

 

[Osteosaur]

It took you a lot of tries to get the MCAT right, and your SMP was not great. I am sorry you've poured your life into this. It took me 4 tries to gain admittance with 3.6 and over an 85th percentile MCAT. I know the uncertainty and lost time is awful. I kept at it because I got interviews each time

Look, give DO a shot if it makes you feel better. Maybe they'll look at your recent grades or recent MCAT and say okay. If they don't? If they don't you need to get this fantasy out of your head. You may be a wonderful, talented person but you are not up to snuff with where most medical students are. You don't get 6 tries on the boards. Eventually willpower alone won't cut it.

Maybe try for PA school? They need GRE and clinical hours, right? Your EMT should be good for that and GRE is a fresh start.

 

[Ho0v-man]

I've seen several schools state on their website that they only take your highest score into account, so I think it would be kind of cruel to state that but then still mark you down for multiple exam attempts.

It’s kinda like how grade replacement used to be for DO. They’d only consider the highest retake, but if you took 5-6 times to finally get an A on say half your pre reqs, they’d still see it and it would still make you less desirable.

 

[Medic741]

What an odd statement. Seems like the OP doesn't realize that there is not a separate pathway to become a radiologist or anesthesiologist.

@OP time to throw in the towel

Except there is. They are CRNA’s with ‘doctorates’ who call themselves ‘doctor’ in clinical settings. Cringe

 

[Kirby Smart]

OP I seriously wish the best for you but unlike people just saying "do what you want, good luck!" I really wish I could convince you to take the advice given to you on this thread before you potentially ruin your life by taking on hundreds of thousands in debt while failing in the caribbean.

I genuinely hope that that wouldn't happen but the reason people are being seemingly harsh is because your stats/scenario leave us to expect nothing else.

I'm all about perseverance, but I encourage you to look at this decision as if you were an outsider given the facts and asked what you'd suggest.

 

[Giovanotto]

Can someone walk me through the thought process of taking the MCAT 3-6 times? It always amazes me when I read about this. I took it once, did poorly, somehow still got into med school, and maybe would consider retaking the exam once more. After that, I would call it.

 

[993444]

What do adcoms here think of going to medical school through the Ochsner system? @gyngyn @Goro @LizzyM