Just got accepted into a school, but...

[Henry101]

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Don't want to add to the nonesence of this thread but, dude, you are human and things happen and we learn and move on.
I applaud your humility to come to this lion's den of a forum and seek help.
Talk to a lawyer, talk to another lawyer, and move on from there.
Also want to add that half the posts on this thread are complete bullsh**. If you think shoplifting (in any form) is worse than a DUI, please please please do us all a favor and go to law school. End of discussion. I know kids with DUIs that are now in top 25 MD schools. If you think UCSF, UCSD, Yale are filed with perfect virgins, wake up and smell the tequila.
OP, talk to a lawyer, talk to another one, and go from there. It won't be easy but you will come out a stronger person.
I'm praying for you dude! Stay strong!

 

[mathnerd88]

Don't want to add to the nonesence of this thread but, dude, you are human and things happen and we learn and move on.
I applaud your humility to come to this lion's den of a forum and seek help.
Talk to a lawyer, talk to another lawyer, and move on from there.
Also want to add that half the posts on this thread are complete bullsh**. If you think shoplifting (in any form) is worse than a DUI, please please please do us all a favor and go to law school. End of discussion. I know kids with DUIs that are now in top 25 MD schools. If you think UCSF, UCSD, Yale are filed with perfect virgins, wake up and smell the tequila.
OP, talk to a lawyer, talk to another one, and go from there. It won't be easy but you will come out a stronger person.
I'm praying for you dude! Stay strong!

To be honest, in terms of getting a medical school acceptance, being caught cheating with an IA and being suspended from school is sometimes worse than a DUI. Of course, it varies on a case by case basis.

Again, I wasn't comparing crimes in the most general sense by law. I was comparing them by integrity AND conscious malicious intent and how it impacts the field of medicine. Can people just try to understand what REALLY I'm trying to compare here instead of trying to continue beating the dead horse and repeating what 10 people have already said?

I've already admitted I may have said things in the wrong way that people may have taken in the wrong context.

 

[osckey]

I know someone at a rather good allopathic medical school who got a DUI and damage to property (he struck a house with the vehicle) while in his freshman year and is still attending the school. I don't know what kind of deal he struck, but I'm guessing daddy paid a lot of money for him to stay.

Obviously, you're going to need to lawyer-up. Consult your lawyer and then make a move promptly. Seriously, what in the name of sweet baby Jesus were you doing stealing as an accepted medical student? You possibly just threw away a 130k a year job (at least) for less than $200.

 

[Promethean]

I know someone at a rather good allopathic medical school who got a DUI and damage to property (he struck a house with the vehicle) while in his freshman year and is still attending the school. I don't know what kind of deal he struck, but I'm guessing daddy paid a lot of money for him to stay.

I'm sure it was expensive, but pay outs aren't the only reason that the guy stuck around. Once you actually matriculate, there is more of an attempt to salvage a person who does something like that. If OP had done this a week after starting school, it would be less likely to end his/her career than doing it a week before.

I've heard quite a few stories of people getting DUIs or disorderly conducts while in medical school. It absolutely does cause them problems with licensure, making it harder, though not necessarily impossible to obtain. Our school has folks who go to bat for you if you find yourself in that situation, and I'd expect that others do, too. You don't want them to have to. They aren't going to hold your hand and tell you that it isn't your fault. But once you are in, they don't like to see you bounce out unless there is no other way.

Can people just try to understand what REALLY I'm trying to compare here instead of trying to continue beating the dead horse and repeating what 10 people have already said?

I've already admitted I may have said things in the wrong way that people may have taken in the wrong context.

You have, indeed, said several times that you'd like to be done with the discussion. The thing is that it is an internet forum and new people will wander in and take issue with things that you've said, over and over and over, until the thread dies. So, if you don't want to be part of continued discussion, the best way is to just stop replying yourself. It will burn itself out in time.

 

[ortnakas]

I've heard stories of students gaining an acceptance after a misdemeanor, so assuming this isn't a felony and he/she can turn their life around, I don't think all hope is lost for OP. That said, I think "turning your life around" probably can't be done this cycle.

However, DUI and minor drug possession doesn't mean you have bad integrity. Shoplifting does.

If this sentence left out DUI, I would agree with you. I don't endorse minor drug possession, but I don't think it's a sign of bad integrity. DUI, however, implies a DECISION to recklessly endanger yourself and others, with repercussions far beyond the cost of whatever OP might have stolen from a grocery store.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

better call saul

 

[Goro]

Just let it go already.

I don't want to continue this drama, but the confusion was the part when "minor drug possession" became substance abuse. They're not the same. Let's be mature, and just drop the discussion. My intention was not to make this worse by saying "DUI and minor drug possession" are lesser crimes. In fact, they are much worse crimes than just simple shoplifting a pack of gum. Substance abuse is generally caused by an addiction that is considered a disease. I doubt most of those abusers do it to intentionally harm friends/family.

Again, we all have our different opinions. I was looking at the situation from just one aspect- integrity and premeditated intent which I hold dear to medicine. All in all, if you compare degrees of "what's worse?" That's for the law to decide. I prefer to see a physician who've had one DUI than another one whom I know who have stolen items. After all, he might just steal my stuff when I'm not looking in the office. I know many patients leave behind valuables (with the doctor saying your stuff would be safe) in the office while going off to get shots or some kind of treatment. But that's just my opinion. You guys can have your own.

Just accept that everyone has different thresholds of "what's worse?" Some people might consider simple weed possession to be bad, while others consider it to be not a big deal. One misdemeanor in one state may be a felony in another.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my earlier posts, and people started jumping on me because of my blanket statement that one crime isn't as serious as another. Perhaps I phrased it wrongly and was not my intention and was written in the heat of the moment because I felt I was being personally attacked for my beliefs in the matter. Hopefully this clears it all up.

OP, my recommendation to you is not to post crimes that you may have committed in an open public forum such as this one. If this thread was found, it could be used against you in a court of law. We all know the story of that Miami doctor who was publicly humiliated for disorderly conduct while intoxicated. There's even a dedicated website which absolutely trashes her. You should follow the law from now on, and report that you have been charged to AACOMAS and the schools you've been accepted to. You have to come clean, because this is the first step in fixing your integrity. Your history should only be on a "need to know" basis, just like PHI.

 

[Lukeylu22]

Hey I have a question for anyone willing to listen. On the subject of shoplifting...

When I was younger ( barely 16 ) I was with a friend at the mall who was shoplifting a pair of shorts in her purse. I was unaware of it but because I was with her ( and the shop owners didnt believe me or care) I was arrested and taken to a juvenile holding facility...yea it was a horrible nightmare of a day. My friend vouched for me to the person in charge of my case and all charges were expunged. Is there any way a medical school might come across this? I've had background checks from work and no one has ever brought it up so I assume not? hopefully?

 

[Goro]

At the minimum, do a Certiphi test.

Secondaries will often ask you if you've been arrested.

Just check the box, explain, and you'll be fine.

Hey I have a question for anyone willing to listen. On the subject of shoplifting...

When I was younger ( barely 16 ) I was with a friend at the mall who was shoplifting a pair of shorts in her purse. I was unaware of it but because I was with her ( and the shop owners didnt believe me or care) I was arrested and taken to a juvenile holding facility...yea it was a horrible nightmare of a day. My friend vouched for me to the person in charge of my case and all charges were expunged. Is there any way a medical school might come across this? I've had background checks from work and no one has ever brought it up so I assume not? hopefully?