KCUMB Class of 2007

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Since our school is officially changing names, we got to go through a transition period too. :laugh: Use both for 6 months just like the school website. Good luck with finals...almost done with the first year 2 more weeks, then FREEDOM!!! :luck:
Wo1verine7DO
KCUMB Class of 2007
 
I can't believe this year is almost over! I can't wait until we are all back here for MS II 😱
Neuro I'm gonna getcha 😀
So everyone good luck with all of these finals. Cumulatives and all.

Just remember to breath, and the rest will come.

TTYL
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nice work wolverine! we should see if a moderator would carry over the posts from the old thread to this new one so we can keep our stars!
 
We finally get to rest. 🙂 We're MS I and half until August, but we only have 3 years left till we graduate. Have a good summer everyone...
 
KCUMB's kind of a funny name, especially when you say it.
 
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KCUMB's kind of a funny name, especially when you say it.
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It's especially confusing given the names of the other med schools in KC.

-KUMC
-UMKC
and now...
-KCUMB
 
I guess that's what Pletz is going for...in 2007 MCI and Independence Regional are combining into a new big hospital...I wonder if they'll add the schools name to that since all of the faculty work at MCI...hmm...the school is still moving in a positive direction. They're building a new auditorium, big library and student center in one of the parking lots...
 
Hey all! I am entering the class of 2008, and I currently work at Menorah Medical Center. We are HCA owned, as are MCI and Independence Regional. I knew about the new hospital repacing them, and HCA is planning another new hospital, we hear south of town, but not sure. Anyway, my question is, are MCI and Mercy the only 2 UHS has rotations at, or, since many of the doc's go to more than 1 HCA facility, do you actually go to various places? Do you work in a department, or with a certain doc I guess is the difference? Thanks!
fingerstick
 
There a dozens of KC and Kansas locations for you to rotate during the 3rd year. I just chose to do a summer preceptorship for 4 weeks at MCI since I liked Dr. Johnston...overall, I think he's the only good IM doc the school has. He teaches really well and cares about your learning...old fashion though. Anyway, you can rotate throughout the US as well and its not just the HCA hospitals in KC.As for the other question, I just stay with Johnston all day and the residents and 3rd year students, I guess I can go around with a couple of other IM doctors but don't really think they teach as well. The other day I got lucky and a FP doc, Dr. Desai let me go with him to assist in a biopsy...but not all of them are as nice and helpful.
 
so did everyone in the 2007 class pass the finals and move on?? if u dont what then?? summer school or do u fall behind a year??
 
I think all but three past the written final and then there were two other finals - patient interviewing and physical exam skills plus a small written test on heart and lung sounds and misc stuff. What you don't pass you retake - there is a schedule posted for those who have to retake the tests. I am not completely sure of what happens if you fail again.

Also if you failed a section during the year you have to remediate that section too but I believe you are just retaking the final. I think if you fail three sections you are not allowed to return.

someone please add or correct me if I am wrong
 
apass said:
I think all but three past the written final and then there were two other finals - patient interviewing and physical exam skills plus a small written test on heart and lung sounds and misc stuff. What you don't pass you retake - there is a schedule posted for those who have to retake the tests. I am not completely sure of what happens if you fail again.

Also if you failed a section during the year you have to remediate that section too but I believe you are just retaking the final. I think if you fail three sections you are not allowed to return.

someone please add or correct me if I am wrong
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I can tell you what happens if you fail the heart and lung sounds again.....absolutely nothing. I failed the heart sounds last year and I am pretty sure I failed them on the retake and I haven't heard anything about it yet. Some people from the Class 2005 said that they actually forgot to give them their retake so they didn't have to take it the 2nd time. Anyway, ya'll have a good summer. 2nd year is long, but if you made it this far you will survive.
 
do you have any idea what kinda loan totals your classmates are looking at on average for the 4 year duration??
 
PLEASE do not stay in KC for your third year rotations. Unless things have really changed in the past few years, most of the KC rotations (especially IM) are considered a huge joke! YOU WILL NOT BE WELL TRAINED. If you don't believe me, do a month at MCI, then do a month at KU, UMKC or any other large allopathic institution. UHS is great at the basic sciences, but they totally suck when it comes to clinical training. 🙁
 
PainDr said:
PLEASE do not stay in KC for your third year rotations. Unless things have really changed in the past few years, most of the KC rotations (especially IM) are considered a huge joke! YOU WILL NOT BE WELL TRAINED. If you don't believe me, do a month at MCI, then do a month at KU, UMKC or any other large allopathic institution. UHS is great at the basic sciences, but they totally suck when it comes to clinical training. 🙁
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ah yes... along those lines... how hard is the school to get along with if you want to do certain rotations at other places than normal?? i.e. can you easily decide where you want to rotate at???? any tips?? thx
 
also.. dress attire... either dressed up, or scrubs right?? is there some place we are *supposed* to get scrubs/white coat from or can any of you recommend a decent place?? many thanks in advance.
 
You are the first person I have ever heard of saying negative things. So what about Dr. Johnston or Arnold they don't do a good job? I have heard very positive things from other recent classes. I hear our students are soooo prepared they do so well everywhere. Please elaborate.


PainDr said:
PLEASE do not stay in KC for your third year rotations. Unless things have really changed in the past few years, most of the KC rotations (especially IM) are considered a huge joke! YOU WILL NOT BE WELL TRAINED. If you don't believe me, do a month at MCI, then do a month at KU, UMKC or any other large allopathic institution. UHS is great at the basic sciences, but they totally suck when it comes to clinical training. 🙁
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To Coolbreez,

Not sure. They used to be pretty flexible. Unfortunately, many/most schools won't take students who haven't already completed their core rotations so you may be stuck. However, even if you get stuck in KC during third year, you'll have plenty of time during electives and fourth year to make up for it. Just be aware of the problem and try to work around it. They have lots of rotation sites in many different states but I don't know very much about most of them. In general, you need to be at large urban hospitals or large rural facilities that are regional referral centers (they have a great site like that in southern Missouri). Also, look for hospitals that have HIGH case volume, HIGH case variety, dedicated didactics and residencies in multiple specialties (tend to be more organized and dedicated to education).

I don't know what to tell you about the dress code...we didn't have one. My class lived in scrubs and sweats. I don't understand the purpose of a dress code during the basic science years. Your class should petition to get it abolished...either that or they should increase your loan package to include funds for wardrobe! 😱

To apass,

You misunderstand. My comments have nothing to do with individual physicians. I don't know Dr. Johnston. Dr. Arnold, although not the nicest man on the planet, is nonetheless an outstanding surgeon...or so I've heard (I only had him for clinical lectures). Is he STILL saying "men should be doctors...women should be nurses"? I always suspected he just enjoyed tormenting us! HaHa! Sorry...I digress. Anyway, the main problem is case load and variety. I did not do my cores in KC but had good friends who did. They often complained they were sitting around with nothing to do...not a good way to learn clinical medicine! As I said, this was several years ago and things may have changed. 😀
 
Just curious, why the name change?
 
Yes - scrubs or dress up with white coat. You get your white coat the first week of school and scrubs you can buy on line or at the bookstore. I bought mine at the bookstore they are about the same price and I could try them on. I would say that 95% of the class is in scrubs everyday but some people do dress up because they don't like scrubs.

The first week or I guess I should say orientation - LeAnn will clue you into all the rules and regulations on the uniform.

Elizabeth or Anthony may have some suggestions.

Make sure you take everything you read on this website with a grain a salt. Sometimes this website stress me out with what I read. It is good to see negative things to wake you up sometimes but I have always heard good things from 3rd years about our rotational sites. UHS is a great school and I have really enjoyed it. There are soooo many positives about this place - you will love it.

see ya
angela






cooldreams said:
also.. dress attire... either dressed up, or scrubs right?? is there some place we are *supposed* to get scrubs/white coat from or can any of you recommend a decent place?? many thanks in advance.
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okay well it sounds like you have been gone for awhile. the dress code is not a big deal people wear scrubs from the hospitals they worked in. Actually the dress code isn't even followed that much - alot of people wear tshirts and scrub pants.

Why is it that over 90 students from the class of 2006 want to stay in KC? My big sister who was a nurse prior to entering UHS wants to stay in KC.
Please explain.


PainDr said:
Not sure. They used to be pretty flexible. Unfortunately, many/most schools won't take students who haven't already completed their core rotations so you may be stuck. However, even if you get stuck in KC during third year, you'll have plenty of time during electives and fourth year to make up for it. Just be aware of the problem and try to work around it. They have lots of rotation sites in many different states but I don't know very much about most of them. In general, you need to be at large urban hospitals or large rural facilities that are regional referral centers (they have a great site like that in southern Missouri). Also, look for hospitals that have HIGH case volume, HIGH case variety, dedicated didactics and residencies in multiple specialties (tend to be more organized and dedicated to education).

I don't know what to tell you about the dress code...we didn't have one. My class lived in scrubs and sweats. I don't understand the purpose of a dress code during the basic science years. Your class should petition to get it abolished...either that or they should increase your loan package to include funds for wardrobe! 😱
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I am NOT saying UHS doesn't have good rotations sites, because they do (and always did). I should not say that KC is a bad place to do clinicals, because they may have improved. I am only saying that it was not a good place to be WHEN I WAS THERE (late 1990's). At that time, most of my class wanted to stay in KC, myself included. The VAST majority wanted to stay for personal reasons (I had purchased a home there). However, I can't think of a SINGLE person who wanted to stay for the clincial training. We really didn't know any better. I'm not going to argue with you since you obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say, so I propose you do the following. Initiate and distribute a pole among recent third year students and ask them the following questions:

1. On your IM rotations:
What was your average daily patient census?
How much autonomy did you have?
How many LPs, paracenteses and other proceedures did you do?
Did you have ICU responsibilities or a dedicated ICU rotation?
Were you taught to read chest and abdominal films? Head CTs?
Did you have dedicated didactics?
Did you have access to and lectures from specialists in GI, Pulmonology,
Heme/Onc, ID, Urology, Nephrology, Neurology, Ophtho, Derm, etc.?

2. On your EM rotation:
Was your facility a level 1 or even level 2 trauma center?
How many codes did you see and/or assist with?
How many intubations did you do?
How many lines did you place?
Were you taught to read chest, abdominal and skeletal films as well as
head CTs?
How many lacerations did you repair?

3. On your general surgery rotation:
How many surgeries did you see and assist with?
How many different types of proceedures did you see and assist with?
How many central lines did you do?
How many art lines did you do?
How many PA catheters did you do?
What was your average daily patient census?
Did you have access to surgical subspecialists or the opportunity to do
rotations on surgical subspecialties (cardiac, trauma, ortho, transplant,
etc.)?

4. On your peds rotation:
Did you have inpatient responsibilities or just outpatient?

5. On your OB/GYN rotation:
How many babies did YOU deliver?
How many C-sections did you assist with?
How many hysterectomies, tubal ligations, oophorectomies, etc., did
you see and/or assist with?
How many pelvic exams did you do?

It's your education. If you don't have the variety you won't get the experience. If you don't have the volume you won't become proficient. Get the idea?🙄
 
It is not that I don't understand I am just asking you to tell me why because I have heard differently. I am not just out of college and entering medical school I am 32 and take my education very seriously. I to have a house in KC and I wanted to stay but I can easily head back to St. Louis. Those are all good questions to ask. What year are you? Did you see that MCI is building a new hospital?


PainDr said:
Most of my class wanted to stay in KC, myself included. The VAST majority wanted to stay for personal reasons (I had purchased a home there). However, I can't think of a SINGLE person who wanted to stay for the clincial training. We really didn't know any better. I'm not going to argue with you since you obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say, so I propose you do the following. Initiate and distribute a pole among recent third year students and ask them the following questions:

1variety you won't get the expereince. If you don't have the volume you won't become proficient. Get the idea?🙄
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Hey everyone,
I wear scrubs to class except when we have the mock interviews or the first week of class...
ALso, MCI doesn't stink, except for Johnston, he's awesome teacher. Although the reason you don't learn much in IM is there aren't many patients to learn from. I'm at a preceptorship and for the last week and a half I've seen the same people...and a few rare things like psychiatric patients. If you want to learn, go outside to a biger location...you'll learn what you see here...its just that its not as exciting. It is also what you make of it...if you do a lot in a rotation you'll learn more than someone who just passively observes stuff. After doing my preceptorship, I wouldn't mind rotating with Johnston only, but I"m heading to another state to rotate in a large urban hospital to see it all. I've also heard good things about rotating in KC...it varies from person to person...if you have questions PM or IM me.
 
MCI and Indendence regional are combining, but the hospital won't be done until 2007...it might be a good residency spot. If your in KC, you might miss MCI since there are a ton of hospitals in the area...I forgot to mention that...research seems like a big hospital in the area that does a lot of procedures unlike MCI since MCI refers patients there.
 
cooldreams said:
do you have any idea what kinda loan totals your classmates are looking at on average for the 4 year duration??
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ONE BILLION DOLLARS!! No, seriously I would be surprised if anyone got out of here in 2006 for less than 150 G's. I am looking at more along the lines of 170K myself.
 
cooldreams said:
do you have any idea what kinda loan totals your classmates are looking at on average for the 4 year duration??
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ONE BILLION DOLLARS!! No, seriously I would be surprised if anyone got out of here in 2006 for less than 150 G's. I am looking at more along the lines of 170K myself. That is why I am going to do cardiology. 🙂
 
lol kewl..

have you heard of anyone going for NS ?? wonder how they did or where they went... 😕
 
i just got back from seeing my grandmother in ohio, and came back to a letter from kcumb asking me to fill out an equipment request sheet, with check, and mail it back in. anyone else get it yet?? it says that they want it back within a month or acceptance will be withdrawn. i understand the need to not procrastinate, but comon. why do they threaten us like that??

😕
 
cooldreams said:
i just got back from seeing my grandmother in ohio, and came back to a letter from kcumb asking me to fill out an equipment request sheet, with check, and mail it back in. anyone else get it yet?? it says that they want it back within a month or acceptance will be withdrawn. i understand the need to not procrastinate, but comon. why do they threaten us like that??

😕
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Perhaps you should ask your fellow 2008ers not the class of 2007:laugh:

But whats this about a check? They want more money?
 
yea... more money before we ever get the loan money... sigh...

i asked the 2007 group to see if this letter was the same for them last year... just seems weird... or maybe this is something that i just gotta get used to all the way to the end...

"you must supply us with the names of everyone who will be attending your graduation ceremony or else you will lose your seat in the class and never graduate..." 🙄
 
I've never seen that form? Maybe they have something new for you to buy? Unless they added something stupid like giving you all the medical equipment...you don't really need all of it now.
 
I know there is going to be a new program for using the printers at school. Maybe it's for that. Each student will have a certain number of pages they can print a semester. From what I remember, it should be fine though for getting everything you need printed.

I hope you are all having a fun summer. I'm studying my butt off. I've never studied this much and can hardly stand it. Enjoy your summer because the next summer definitely doesn't start out so great. I think the rest of it will be good though!
 
what goes on during the summer between 2nd & 3rd yrs and 3rd & 4th yrs?? I though all summers were off unless you decided to go do a clerkship or something??
 
I will not have any summer vacation again for the rest of my life...once august starts, I'll go to school 365 days, you might not get christmas, thanksgiving, etc. when your on rotations...so second year you basically have spring break and that's all, even then you should be studying for board exams...
 
I believe that the 2nd years get a month off prior to starting their rotations but your only true summer off will be between first and second year. I think you get about 3 weeks off between 3rd and 4th year. The 2nd years will be taking boards this coming weekend. They have been studying their asses off since mid April for boards.

cooldreams said:
what goes on during the summer between 2nd & 3rd yrs and 3rd & 4th yrs?? I though all summers were off unless you decided to go do a clerkship or something??
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PainDr - IM does LPs? I just did a two week preceptor at St. Barnabas - awesome experience and it was great to see UHS grads there. Anyways general surgery came to the ED to do LPs. I guess maybe IM does them on their floor or maybe it is just different every where you go.

Could you recommend some clerkship sites that you have heard good things about outside of MI and OH?
thanks
 
I like to help every once and a while...

I went to UHS and now I am in my final year of residency.

There is likely a small amount of summer vacation between years 1 and 2 and a few weeks in year 2-3. Other than that, summer vacation is for high school kids! Rotations in your clerkship years are on a July-June schedule (usually) with variation. Prior to starting residency (internship year) you will likely have a month or 2 off.

As for procedures in the hospital...it is hospital dependent but I have NEVER EVER heard of surgery doing LP's in the ED!! I do all my own procedures from LP's to intubations to central lines to joint dislocations to initial vent managment.

A respectible EM residency does all procedures...or should be willing to do all procedures. Avoid any residency that does not.
 
DocWagner said:
I like to help every once and a while...

I went to UHS and now I am in my final year of residency.

There is likely a small amount of summer vacation between years 1 and 2 and a few weeks in year 2-3. Other than that, summer vacation is for high school kids! Rotations in your clerkship years are on a July-June schedule (usually) with variation. Prior to starting residency (internship year) you will likely have a month or 2 off.

As for procedures in the hospital...it is hospital dependent but I have NEVER EVER heard of surgery doing LP's in the ED!! I do all my own procedures from LP's to intubations to central lines to joint dislocations to initial vent managment.

A respectible EM residency does all procedures...or should be willing to do all procedures. Avoid any residency that does not.
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I was just thinking that was done because Barnabas is a teaching hospital and they came down to teach - not sure though - it just may have been a weird situation. Barnabas is a pretty cool place to learn.

Having the entire summer off between 1st and 2nd year is nice. Do you recommend any sites for your 3rd and 4th year? thanks
 
My 4th year was entirely in Indy through IU and at a local DO's rural FP practice. Go to an established large hospital during your 3rd year. A hospital where there are residents to learn from...they have a lot to teach you. Much depends on the area of medicine you wish to focus (ie 4th year electives).
 
Congrats Class of 2007, enjoy your summer

If you are looking for a unique living experience then the City Market area of Kansas City is for you. My name is Tony Murino and I am going to be a third year and UHS (KCUMB) and have been living in the City Market in a loft since I moved here from Chicago. This is by far the best place in the city to live. There are so many places to eat and drink and plus it is only a mile and a half to school. There are no bridges to cross or expressways to fight traffic every morning. I can tell you there is nothing like waking up at 7:30 and still making it to class on time.

There are 4 building down here in the river market that the office that I work out of leases. All of them are great and have been recently renovated. The rent starts out at about $750 and goes up from there. These are ideal if you have someone to live with or have someone moving here with you. I work in the office mostly on the weekends but there is someone here seven days a week. So just call and set up an appointment so we can show you everything we have.

Check out the website at www.kcloftspace.com
Office number: 816-474-5638

Any questions post them here or call

Tony Murino
 
Angela,
How was St. Barnabas, wasn't too impressed with MCI, but since I'm from NJ, that's one of my choices. Could you describe how it was, did you interact with a lot of residents and interns? Are there a lot of students per preceptor, just wondering, could you e-mail me or something about your experiences, also what did yo do your 2 week preceptorship...
Anthony
 
hey Anthony - i had an amazing time I learned sooo much it was awesome. I worked with 3rd and 4th year residents and 3rd and 4th year med students plus the attendings. I did everything from installing iv lines, blood draws, staples to PELVIC EXAMS!!! I did the patient interviewing, physical and soap note. i had a great time and at barnabas you see everything. All the students and doctors were awesome and they wanted to teach. I relearned so many things i have forgotten like EKGs. I also got to see little things like zosters and lots of asthma, diabetes, heart disease cases. So i would recommend this place to anyone. It is an inner city hospital and there was alot of spanish speaking going on. The hospital is very organized and runs a 4 hour lecture each wednesday for the med students. I was a great place plus I stayed with a friend my mine from NYCOM and it was good to meet NYCOM students.

tell me about MCI - what did you do?

i got to go i am in florence and the hotel is annoyed i have been on the internet to long. i will check back soon

Wo1verine7DO said:
Angela,
How was St. Barnabas, wasn't too impressed with MCI, but since I'm from NJ, that's one of my choices. Could you describe how it was, did you interact with a lot of residents and interns? Are there a lot of students per preceptor, just wondering, could you e-mail me or something about your experiences, also what did yo do your 2 week preceptorship...
Anthony
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if you were already accepted to uhs but still were taking some classes, would they get mad (lose acceptance) at you if you got a C in one of them??
 
Anyone have suggestions as to which cell phone company to get in KC? I currently have TMobile but heard that sprint works alot better in KC.
 
Run, don't walk away from Sprint. You would think that they would have good surface in KC (since this is their HQ) and you would be WRONG!! I had Sprint when I first moved here and it sux arse!! Their customer service is the worst in America and they drop calls like a bad habit. A couple of classmates had the same problems as I did and they all got rid of Sprint. I paid mt final bill in full and completely terminated my service yet somehow I still get a bill for a "customer service fee." They will get that $5 when they pry it from my cold, dead hand. I am actually surprised that they are still in business actually. I have Verizon now and it is 10,000X better than Sprint.
 
Bama you live in CT correct? Does verizon work well in there? I plan on using it as my primary phone so I need it to work in my apartment.
 
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