KCUMB Class of 2018

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I interviewed early in the cycle last year and was told all about the old curriculum. I fell in love with kcumb.
Now I am less than impressed with it. If this intro to path section is any indication of how 2nd year is going to be I am going to be very upset. I purposely did not apply to PBL schools as I didn't want that.
But here I am, and I have to muddle through....because the ultimate goal is to be a doctor, and this is not being a doctor. So I just have to remember that and keep my head down and pass and move on.

I wish there was time to even do one day of shadowing....maybe I could remember why I'm doing this....sigh.
 
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I can see what the feedback SGA and the course will get hahaha
 
I thought we have a lecture on friday that is covering chapter 10? Am I missing something? I didn't go to class today.
 
Lost Vagus said:
I thought we have a lecture on friday that is covering chapter 10? Am I missing something? I didn't go to class today.
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The schedule does show from 8-9am the chapter 10 lecture.
 
AlteredScale said:
So just how good or bad are the rotations if you stay in KC? Any advice or opinions from word of mouth by third years?
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We're all 1st years in this class, so... :eyebrow:

FWIW I've been told they're not great... It sorta makes sense, because there's 2 other medschools in KC that also take up rotation spots, so the city is just sorta over capacity anyway. However, every core rotation site is going to have its own strengths/weaknesses no matter where you end up going. Each hospital/city is going to be better for certain specialties, and worse for others, than other rotation sites will.

This is coming from someone who knows he's going to be in KC 3rd year anyway - if that makes any difference... (Assuming I don't fail this stupid section, and manage to survive to 3rd year)
 
AlteredScale said:
So just how good or bad are the rotations if you stay in KC? Any advice or opinions from word of mouth by third years?
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I have literally never talked to a 3rd year because they are like unicorns on campus. You never see them, and I can only guess who is/isn't when they're in the library.

KC is a preceptor based site. So basically you are following around an attending physician and will have limited exposure to residents/interns which I think is a major detriment. I want to be able to be at a core site that has residency programs so that I know how that system works and to gain experience in that sort of environment so I know how to perform/act as an intern/resident.
 
HotLunch96 said:
I have literally never talked to a 3rd year because they are like unicorns on campus. You never see them, and I can only guess who is/isn't when they're in the library.

KC is a preceptor based site. So basically you are following around an attending physician and will have limited exposure to residents/interns which I think is a major detriment. I want to be able to be at a core site that has residency programs so that I know how that system works and to gain experience in that sort of environment so I know how to perform/act as an intern/resident.
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So no real opportunity to rotate at the KU and UMKC hospital systems? Is that sort of opportunity only for your elective times or can you do some footwork and lock in those type of rotations for your cores?
 
Awesome Sauceome said:
So no real opportunity to rotate at the KU and UMKC hospital systems? Is that sort of opportunity only for your elective times or can you do some footwork and lock in those type of rotations for your cores?
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You can do whatever you want 4th year - but as far as 3rd year core rotation sites... I really have no idea...
 
Awesome Sauceome said:
So no real opportunity to rotate at the KU and UMKC hospital systems? Is that sort of opportunity only for your elective times or can you do some footwork and lock in those type of rotations for your cores?
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My limited knowledge is that you may go there because the attendings you will follow may or may not have patients there. You are basically following community docs that are sanctioned by the school as far as I know. But its mostly outpatient clinics and community clinics. I don't know how much inpatient exposure you will get. I'm probably just assuming the worst because we really don't know anything about how rotations work yet. We will know more this fall. But my impressions so far is that its not an ideal location for rotations.

http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/coll...icine/clerkships/clerkship-sites/kansas-city/
 
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HotLunch96 said:
My limited knowledge is that you may go there because the attendings you will follow may or may not have patients there. You are basically following community docs that are sanctioned by the school as far as I know. But its mostly outpatient clinics and community clinics. I don't know how much inpatient exposure you will get. I'm probably just assuming the worst because we really don't know anything about how rotations work yet. We will know more this fall. But my impressions so far is that its not an ideal location for rotations.

http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/coll...icine/clerkships/clerkship-sites/kansas-city/
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The problem with links like that (by all DO schools) is that they are somewhat disingenuous to what actually happens. I mean based on that link, one could assume they would receive a very strong clinical education in KC - there is a fantastic mixture small and large hospitals/clinics to rotate at. Seems like there is a lot of resources present in the area - based on that link. So besides the fact that at the top it specifically says "this is a preceptor based site," how does one differentiate it in quality between say, the Colorado site, or the Michigan site, or any of their other sites? I mean heck, if it wasnt for SDN, I would naturally assume that the KC sites were better, but ironically I hear that the farther you go from the school, the better off you will be...
 
A lot of this really isn't true. I know lots of people that did rotations in KC and they all seemed to like it. You get to rotate through KU med, Childrens Mercy, St. Luke's, and a lot of other big name hospitals in the area. The KC rotations are just like any other medical school.. we just don't have our own hospital. Most of your rotations will be in a hospital, but not every hospital rotation will be in the same one. This is all up to where your preceptor works.

Rotations are a crap shoot at any site. Some will be better than others, but it will really depend on who you are paired with. A little over 1/3 of the class stays in KC... if it was bad, you would know.

Most people pick their rotation site based on location. Either they want to go somewhere "fun" like Denver or West palm, or they pick a place that is close to their family/ area where they want a residency.

During second year you will have the opportunity to learn about the different sites and ask questions/ read surveys from students at the sites. I wouldn't get too worked up about it now
 
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Anyone know how much is preceptor based vs ward based?
 
Awesome Sauceome said:
So no real opportunity to rotate at the KU and UMKC hospital systems? Is that sort of opportunity only for your elective times or can you do some footwork and lock in those type of rotations for your cores?
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From what I've heard we don't rotate through UMKC at all unless you set up an elective with them. People regularly rotate through KU for their core requirements. From what I was told by a few 4th years (if you stay in KC), you basically make a list before third year and the hospitals/programs you want to rotate through at what times of year. However, everyone pretty much just gets their top 1 or 2 choices and it turns into a crap shoot for what hospital and time of year you'll get for your rotation after that. I think that's part of why they started the tracks up, to make sure that people who knew they were shooting for a specific field would get a strong experience in it. I've also heard that it can be tough to rotate through KU since they have limited spots and pretty much everyone that stays wants to rotate there.

That being said, there are a lot of other great places here, and a PGY-1 at KU (MD, not a KCU grad) said that when he did a month at the VA he wished he had been able to do a rotation like that when he was in med school because they spent a lot of time with the med students teaching them hands on. The one major downside about staying in KC is you might have to do some significant driving for a rotation or two (I think the website said up to a 1.5 hour commute), but I do not think that is something that would be common.


Lost Vagus said:
A lot of this really isn't true. I know lots of people that did rotations in KC and they all seemed to like it. You get to rotate through KU med, Childrens Mercy, St. Luke's, and a lot of other big name hospitals in the area. The KC rotations are just like any other medical school.. we just don't have our own hospital. Most of your rotations will be in a hospital, but not every hospital rotation will be in the same one. This is all up to where your preceptor works.

Rotations are a crap shoot at any site. Some will be better than others, but it will really depend on who you are paired with. A little over 1/3 of the class stays in KC... if it was bad, you would know.

Most people pick their rotation site based on location. Either they want to go somewhere "fun" like Denver or West palm, or they pick a place that is close to their family/ area where they want a residency.

During second year you will have the opportunity to learn about the different sites and ask questions/ read surveys from students at the sites. I wouldn't get too worked up about it now
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^^Pretty spot on with most of what I've heard. I've only heard 2 or 3 people say that wanted to be in a certain city because the rotations were supposed to be great. Most people go to a place near where they want to practice. Most people also travel a lot during the first half of 4th year to do audition rotations. So even if you're in KC for third year, you probably won't be for the rotations that matter during 4th year (unless you're dead set on staying here).


SynapticDoctah said:
Have you guys ever received a schedule that shows exactly when exams are?
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Hahahaha. No. :grumpy:

You'll get a full semester schedule at the beginning of the semester, but it typically changes on a monthly, and sometimes weekly basis. Go in knowing that NOTHING is set in stone.
 
Ahh - just refreshed - now I see you said it was email
 
Sorry to hear that!
Does that mean if we didn't get an email today, I'm assuming its a pass? Who sent the e-mail?
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I hate this. People always talk about how difficult a test was or how badly they failed, but they always end up passing and I'm always the one who actually fails. First the MoD midterm and now this. I'm extremely upset and frustrated, especially since I don't even know where I went wrong
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damn, man. Keep trucking and learn from your mistakes. When did you do your CSA? I'm thinking they just haven't gotten to my name yet...
 
I also failed the CSA and I'm also in the top end of our class. Not sure what went wrong....what I'm worried about is that the remediation is so quick. No time to practice.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I just don't like that we're losing 2 days of MoD study time because of this.
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Well I just wish that we had some 1-1 with profs to practice and the remediation pushed to later. Seems to me that a lot of people who failed the first time might fail the second since this is something that takes time to get good at. Honestly don't know how I failed it since I thought I missed only a few things.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
Same here. Do you happen to know what happens if you fail a second time? I find it hard to believe that you'd be kicked out of school for failing something like this.
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Im not sure but I would be very upset if that were the case. They say that it needs to be passed to move onto second year. Not sure what the means exactly. Its really easy to fail this esp if you run out of time and don't finish a physical exam or conclusion. Im curious how many people failed.
 
Yeah, I don't know what it means exactly either especially since they only scheduled one remediation day.... Would you repeat first year? I mean that seems a bit excessive if you've passed EVERYTHING else.....
rocky9232 said:
Im not sure but I would be very upset if that were the case. They say that it needs to be passed to move onto second year. Not sure what the means exactly. Its really easy to fail this esp if you run out of time and don't finish a physical exam or conclusion. Im curious how many people failed.
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Welp, ****. Looks like I'm taking the CSA again too. There go my chances of getting an A in PCM. No clue what I did wrong though. Did a ton of practice with many other students and kept practicing my SOAP notes. I'm going to be REALLY upset if it was due to "communication skills" w/ the patient or something.

Evaluations from those patients are so variable it's not even funny.
 
chizledfrmstone said:
Welp, ****. Looks like I'm taking the CSA again too. There go my chances of getting an A in PCM. No clue what I did wrong though. Did a ton of practice with many other students and kept practicing my SOAP notes. I'm going to be REALLY upset if it was due to "communication skills" w/ the patient or something.

Evaluations from those patients are so variable it's not even funny.
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🙁
 
chizledfrmstone said:
Welp, ****. Looks like I'm taking the CSA again too. There go my chances of getting an A in PCM. No clue what I did wrong though. Did a ton of practice with many other students and kept practicing my SOAP notes. I'm going to be REALLY upset if it was due to "communication skills" w/ the patient or something.

Evaluations from those patients are so variable it's not even funny.
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I'm getting nervous now.... but I haven't seen any email
 
Have any of the people who took it Friday gotten an email yet?
 
WillieTrill said:
Honestly, I don't understand how we are expected to make assessments with such little knowledge we have currently about the pathology of all the systems.
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I'm almost positive they don't take off points based on your assessments. You get full points for just having 3 DDs. You can put somatic dysfunction, cancer and depression for almost everything. It's the communication and proper organization of the SOAP note that matters from what I understand.
 
Elevencents said:
I'm almost positive they don't take off points based on your assessments. You get full points for just having 3 DDs. You can put somatic dysfunction, cancer and depression for almost everything. It's the communication and proper organization of the SOAP note that matters from what I understand.
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Would have been nice to know lol
 
I wish those of us who failed could get in some practice sessions with faculty to get a more critical assessments instead of the past where it felt so relaxed. I always got pretty decent feedback with minor things to improve so this is a shock to me.
 
Elevencents said:
I'm almost positive they don't take off points based on your assessments. You get full points for just having 3 DDs. You can put somatic dysfunction, cancer and depression for almost everything. It's the communication and proper organization of the SOAP note that matters from what I understand.
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Chizled is right, they have to at least be related to the CC. Example I was given by a prof was that if your patient has wrist pain and you say something like atherosclerosis when there's no other indication for it, then you'd get marked off (no, neither of my patients had wrist pain). I was also told you could be ridiculously broad with your assessment. Using the wrist example you could say wrist pain for the global, then tendonitis, fracture, and nerve impingement/neuropathy for the DDs.

I'd be curious to know from those who failed if they didn't pass because of something they missed during the actual interview or if it was because of the SOAP note though...
 
Sorry to hear about the CSA. It sounds like some of you might stress about things a little too much and get yourself worked up/psych yourself out. Too much practice can sometimes be a bad thing and make you more nervous. Take a really broad history, always listen to heart and lungs and do a structural exam. You don't really have to go too in depth with anything. I'm guessing that the people that failed either ran out of time or forgot a major part of the physical exam. The "A" and "P" parts of the soap note aren't graded on content. As long as you put things in the right spot it should be fine.

If you don't know what to do for special testing do muscle strength and then palpate bilaterally on the area that hurts. Try to relax and don't stress out. Everyone has bad days. It's better to mess up now when it is just practice. Remember, grades don't matter.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
I didn't forget any of the big picture stuff and I still failed. I did all the physical tests, oldcarts, fed tacos, pmh, psh, allergies, meds, and still failed.

Also, I'm seriously scared that I'm going to fail the MOD exam. I'm absorbing so little from the reading and now I'm going to lose 2 days of study time for CSA remediation.
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Im right there with you. Ive always gotten good feedback from past SPs and review sessions. I got a good job on mine so I was pretty confident going in.
 
I wonder if they curve the grading? Seems a good percentage failed it which seems to say something.
 
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