KCUMB Discussion thread 2007-2008

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I called the admissions office the day after I knew they met on my interview and they told me over the phone that I was accepted. If the wait is killing you it probably would be fine to call them.
 
PokerDoc said:
I called the admissions office the day after I knew they met on my interview and they told me over the phone that I was accepted. If the wait is killing you it probably would be fine to call them.
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Haha. Thanks. I don't know if it is killing me but I thought it might be nice to know sooner rather than later.
 
yeah, i interviewed in february on a wednesday and i knew they were meeting on friday. i called friday afternoon not expecting for an answer that early but they told me i was accepted.... so it's worth a shot if you really want to find out!
 
BamaAlum said:
You're obviously talking about Boyajian. I liked her okay, but she's not exactly Osler. Her lectures weren't that great if ask me and a significant portion of the incoming class would have never rotated with her anyway. I guess Willsie is still the dean. She is good but she only gave a couple of lectures a year and I am not sure she did much on the wards. Granted, turnover is always concerning, but it happens everywhere. Losing a couple of family medicine faculty is not the end of the world I assure you. You can learn family med from anyone, anywhere. Not a slam, just the truth. Replacing them with some additional biochem and microbiology instructors to bolster Step 1 scores would be an upgrade if you ask me.
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Hey, BamaAlum,

I pretty much agree with you. Turnover is natural and it doesn't usually bother me that much, since I've worked in the business sector before and understand how the ebb and flow of things. And I don't care that much about the FM dept. either; they have some good and some okay professors, but they do a good job with what they have. As I look back, I think that nothing was terribly wrong with my education, but I don't know how much of that was me working independently, doing what needed to be done, and how much was the result of instruction. It's hard to separate the two... I mean we all know what we have to do, it's just either harder or easier to get what we need... It's such a blur and it is amazing how fast things move.

Anyway, one of the reasons I think Dr. B leaving is a fairly big loss, is because she actually cared about the students and in my opinion, losing a professor who has that kind of attitude who has been there that long and then hiring a rent-a-prof who doesn't care that much (and fairly unavailable), is a bit sad.

Yes, so going back to turnover. It's the trend that bothers me. There's turnover everwhere, but there is a sort of a corporate ethos that facilitates it around campus. I don't know how to put it into words. I guess the best I can do is to say that the school is run like a business these days, not an academic institution. My sense is that it has become somewhat of a driving force in their decisions and processes, instead of favoring a sound academic environment. I've heard some stories from professors and fellows on how it is to work at the university and there is some corroboration with my sense. Anyway, two professors have already left (and, yes, Dean Willsie is definitely gone; she resigned completely) and one is going to follow shortly (Dr. B). The word is that more are to follow and not just in the clinical departments, in basic science, too. There is no tenure at the university, as far as I know. I'm sure that makes it easy to leave if the environment isn't favorable.

So, yeah, I'm concerned. I don't like it that decent professors are leaving and we get more and more rent-a-profs. I don't like it that business is driving the school. I know turnover happens at every school, but it seems to be happening at a frequency that bothers me and I don't like what is being done and the reasons why it's happening.

I guess what the incoming first-years don't know won't hurt them. There's nothing to miss, since they are coming into a particular environment and will likely adapt to it. I just think there are plenty of other schools where this crap isn't going on. While I can't say how much of an impact the business decisions are impacting the academics, I do think it's having some. Where there is choice of schools out there, it would be wise to investigate and choose accordingly.
 
RingJ7303 said:
1. Anyone still interested in the party for August birthdays suggestion? My 30th will be during the 1st week of classes. T-funk, was it you that will be turning 30 on the 19th? Glad to hear I'm not the only one 🙂. Sounded like several people have a bday that month, and if anyone's still interested I'll be living at CT. I could donate my espresso machine and a few mixology tools to the cause.
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Hi! I'm definitely glad there will be other somewhat older students at KCUMB. I would love to still have the August b-day get together. To be honest, I'm slightly depressed about the big 3-0 so celebrating it would be nice. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone! 😀
 
endocardium said:
Hey, BamaAlum,

I pretty much agree with you. Turnover is natural and it doesn't usually bother me that much, since I've worked in the business sector before and understand how the ebb and flow of things. And I don't care that much about the FM dept. either; they have some good and some okay professors, but they do a good job with what they have. As I look back, I think that nothing was terribly wrong with my education, but I don't know how much of that was me working independently, doing what needed to be done, and how much was the result of instruction. It's hard to separate the two... I mean we all know what we have to do, it's just either harder or easier to get what we need... It's such a blur and it is amazing how fast things move.

Anyway, one of the reasons I think Dr. B leaving is a fairly big loss, is because she actually cared about the students and in my opinion, losing a professor who has that kind of attitude who has been there that long and then hiring a rent-a-prof who doesn't care that much (and fairly unavailable), is a bit sad.

Yes, so going back to turnover. It's the trend that bothers me. There's turnover everwhere, but there is a sort of a corporate ethos that facilitates it around campus. I don't know how to put it into words. I guess the best I can do is to say that the school is run like a business these days, not an academic institution. My sense is that it has become somewhat of a driving force in their decisions and processes, instead of favoring a sound academic environment. I've heard some stories from professors and fellows on how it is to work at the university and there is some corroboration with my sense. Anyway, two professors have already left (and, yes, Dean Willsie is definitely gone; she resigned completely) and one is going to follow shortly (Dr. B). The word is that more are to follow and not just in the clinical departments, in basic science, too. There is no tenure at the university, as far as I know. I'm sure that makes it easy to leave if the environment isn't favorable.

So, yeah, I'm concerned. I don't like it that decent professors are leaving and we get more and more rent-a-profs. I don't like it that business is driving the school. I know turnover happens at every school, but it seems to be happening at a frequency that bothers me and I don't like what is being done and the reasons why it's happening.

I guess what the incoming first-years don't know won't hurt them. There's nothing to miss, since they are coming into a particular environment and will likely adapt to it. I just think there are plenty of other schools where this crap isn't going on. While I can't say how much of an impact the business decisions are impacting the academics, I do think it's having some. Where there is choice of schools out there, it would be wise to investigate and choose accordingly.
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Good points. You are right if multiple faculty leave that is a trend and that is concerning. You're feeling is right, the school is and has been for some time run more like a large corporation than an academic institution. Due to their financial problems in the mid to late 90's I think this was a good thing for awhile, but it seems as though the academic environment may be beginning to suffer.
To all the entering 1st years, work hard, ace Step 1 and you will be fine regardless of who the faculty is. Believe me, residency is much more of a determining factor in what type of physician you will become. Med school lays the foundation no doubt, but a great residency is paramount. Dr. Friedlander is there so you are set for pathology, which is the most important field in medicine. 😉
 
Did anyone call in yet to find out about their interview??
 
I called this afternoon. They said they had the meeting this morning but the decisions had not been posted yet. Then I got busy at work so I guess we have to wait. 🙁 Oh well. Everyone enjoy your weekend.
 
well now you know what youre monday morning plans are!
 
Does KCUMB give out tablet pcs like DMU?
 
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It's finally here... The 2008 Match List, attached to this post. Be aware that it's not 100% complete.
 

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Are they still doing interviews?
 
endocardium said:
It's finally here... The 2008 Match List, attached to this post. Be aware that it's not 100% complete.
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What exactly is "Preliminary" Internal Medicine?
 
neurosurgery is pretty impressive. The list is strong with a lot of radiology, neurology, surgery, and ortho
 
PokerDoc said:
The list is strong with a lot of radiology, neurology, surgery, and ortho
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As far as I can tell, it is constantly that way. BTW, the OSI group (ortho) is pretty good and they are local; they tend to take a lot of folks from KCUMB.

I don't think Neurology is a particularly competitive residency to match into, but matching into rads, ortho, neurosurgery, gen. surg., anesthesiology, ENT, and even EM, especially if any of them are to ACGME programs, is pretty impressive. Although IM isn't really competitive, doing your IM residency at Cleveland Clinic sounds awesome, especially if you want to eventually do a fellowship in Cardiology there.
 
endocardium said:
As far as I can tell, it is constantly that way. BTW, the OSI group (ortho) is pretty good and they are local; they tend to take a lot of folks from KCUMB.

I don't think Neurology is a particularly competitive residency to match into, but matching into rads, ortho, neurosurgery, gen. surg., anesthesiology, ENT, and even EM, especially if any of them are to ACGME programs, is pretty impressive. Although IM isn't really competitive, doing your IM residency at Cleveland Clinic sounds awesome, especially if you want to eventually do a fellowship in Cardiology there.
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yeah, right now my top three residencies of interest are

1) Rad Onc (not happening unless i get the highest board score in the country im sure)
2) Oncology
3) Cardiology


so im sure ill go IM
 
endocardium said:
It exists as a club organization already.
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Endocardium - I don't find Medical Students for Choice listed under KCUMB's list of student organizations. The MS4C website also lists KCUMB as a med school without a chapter. Are you thinking of Medical Students for Life or has the chapter formed too recently for it to be listed? Thanks.
 
LSU Alex said:
Sounds good. I'll be 29 on the 25th. I was going to ask earlier had anyone heard from CT. They finally deposited my reservation fee a few weeks ago. Am I to assume I have a room? Hmmmm... Anyway, I will be in town hopefully by July 22nd. If anybody else is there, we should get together for some guinness or wine or something...
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CT said they would be contacting people in May with more info on address, move-in day payments, apt choice and rate. Also, if you requested help finding a roommate, they said the school handles that part, most likely in May. If they deposited your check, I'd say you've got a room. They pretty much approved me even though their credit check company is having trouble getting a correct report on me. Maybe it's all those years I spent in the CIA.

Regarding the Guinness and wine - :horns:!! I love me some Guinness and there are few things in life finer than good red wine. It's all the B vitamins and antioxidants. Really.

As for the August Birthdays List:
8th - PokerDoc
13th - I'll be 30
19th - t-funk will be 30
25th - Alex will be 29

Any votes as to when? Early in the month before classes start (good time to meet and greet)? Later in the month (once people have gotten to know each other we can celebrate "really" being in med school)? I'll be gone the weekend of the 15th-17th and I'm guessing people might be a little hungover on Fri the 8th (i.e. open bar after white coating ceremony on the 7th - consider it an early bday present from the school PokerDoc 👍). Any suggestions?
 
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RingJ7303 said:
Endocardium - I don't find Medical Students for Choice listed under KCUMB's list of student organizations. The MS4C website also lists KCUMB as a med school without a chapter. Are you thinking of Medical Students for Life or has the chapter formed too recently for it to be listed? Thanks.
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Medical Students for Choice is listed as an official club at KCUMB.
 
RingJ7303 said:
CT said they would be contacting people in May with more info on address, move-in day payments, apt choice and rate. Also, if you requested help finding a roommate, they said the school handles that part, most likely in May. If they deposited your check, I'd say you've got a room. They pretty much approved me even though their credit check company is having trouble getting a correct report on me. Maybe it's all those years I spent in the CIA.

Regarding the Guinness and wine - :horns:!! I love me some Guinness and there are few things in life finer than good red wine. It's all the B vitamins and antioxidants. Really.

As for the August Birthdays List:
8th - PokerDoc
13th - I'll be 30
19th - t-funk will be 30
25th - Alex will be 29

Any votes as to when? Early in the month before classes start (good time to meet and greet)? Later in the month (once people have gotten to know each other we can celebrate "really" being in med school)? I'll be gone the weekend of the 15th-17th and I'm guessing people might be a little hungover on Fri the 8th (i.e. open bar after white coating ceremony on the 7th - consider it an early bday present from the school PokerDoc 👍). Any suggestions?
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I dont have an Aug. Birthday but Im game for some drinks and meeting people 👍
 
RingJ7303 said:
CT said they would be contacting people in May with more info on address, move-in day payments, apt choice and rate. Also, if you requested help finding a roommate, they said the school handles that part, most likely in May. If they deposited your check, I'd say you've got a room. They pretty much approved me even though their credit check company is having trouble getting a correct report on me. Maybe it's all those years I spent in the CIA.

Regarding the Guinness and wine - :horns:!! I love me some Guinness and there are few things in life finer than good red wine. It's all the B vitamins and antioxidants. Really.

As for the August Birthdays List:
8th - PokerDoc
13th - I'll be 30
19th - t-funk will be 30
25th - Alex will be 29

Any votes as to when? Early in the month before classes start (good time to meet and greet)? Later in the month (once people have gotten to know each other we can celebrate "really" being in med school)? I'll be gone the weekend of the 15th-17th and I'm guessing people might be a little hungover on Fri the 8th (i.e. open bar after white coating ceremony on the 7th - consider it an early bday present from the school PokerDoc 👍). Any suggestions?
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What do we do during orientation week? Assuming we don't do anything strenuous during that first week, maybe we could do it one of those first nights of orientation since everyone will be around...
 
yeah i heard most students drink every night that week lol
 
PokerDoc said:
yeah i heard most students drink every night that week lol
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Yes, sir. Every night is what I recommend. You have to be at orientation at 8am every day, but it's well worth it not to sleep that week. It's the one time you can meet many people. We have classes during your orientation, but I will come out some nights with you guys for sure.

Ok, so orientation from what I remember. It lasts from Mon.-Thur. and the weekend is yours. Monday you have an introduction, you take pics for your class cards, take some class on how to use the library and stuff. It's either the same day, or Tues. when you meet with big bro/sis and have lunch, then pick up bone boxes. Wed. is community service project, and Thur. is 1pm rehearsal for white coat, then I think at 5pm is white coat, then the after party (aka reception) with open bar. If I missed anything maybe another second year will pick it up.

Oh, and if you guys didn't see the match list for '08, S**T is impressive. 3 matched plastics, 6 Rads, 10 Anesthesia, 7 Ortho, 1 ENT, 1 Urology, 1 neurosurgery, I mean that alone blows away most med schools in the country M.D. or D.O.
 
tgalper said:
Ok, so orientation from what I remember. It lasts from Mon.-Thur. and the weekend is yours. Monday you have an introduction, you take pics for your class cards, take some class on how to use the library and stuff. It's either the same day, or Tues. when you meet with big bro/sis and have lunch, then pick up bone boxes.
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What are bone boxes?
 
tgalper said:
Oh, and if you guys didn't see the match list for '08, S**T is impressive. 3 matched plastics, 6 Rads, 10 Anesthesia, 7 Ortho, 1 ENT, 1 Urology, 1 neurosurgery, I mean that alone blows away most med schools in the country M.D. or D.O.
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The match list is pretty good, no question, but I wouldn't make as bold of a statement as you did. I'm proud of our school, but your statement is an exaggeration.
 
Iowa08 said:
What are bone boxes?
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18.5" x 13.5" x 8.5" numbered black boxes that contain artificial bones molded from an actual human skeleton. It is a hemi-skeleton, I believe, so it only has one innominate, etc. We use it to learn the bones. You actually get to take it home and play with it for an entire academic year.
 
Has anyone called this morning to see if the decisions are posted from Friday's committee meeting?
 
axebjc said:
Has anyone called this morning to see if the decisions are posted from Friday's committee meeting?
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What does "posted" mean in this context? Do the decisions get put into a computer database?
 
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So......... Because I am off of work today and have very little to do. I decided we could look at this match list issue more objectively. I pulled up match lists from two schools, basically randomly, that I figured everyone would be familiar with. There may be better schools to compare KCUMB to, in terms of size, focus, etc. But these are the two I thought of first. St. Louis University SOM and UMKC SOM. I put the numbers available from KCUMB (out of the previous posters excel spreadsheat), SLU, and UMKC into separate spreadsheats and counted the numbers and percentages. Looks to me like KCUMB is right in there with both of these schools. Anyway, I'll post them up so you guys can see. I think there is definitely something to be pround of at KCUMB. Another note, however. The goal of a medical school should be to produce compassionate and competent physicians, regardless of the specialty. I beleive KCUMB is doing that. So I don't consider it a bad thing that there is a higher percentage of family med/internal med coming out of KCUMB. In fact, I think that is great b/c I think preventative medicine is so important and will only become more important in coming years. That said, I think the number and variety of specialties coming out of KCUMB is impressive. Sorry for the long note. View attachment KCUMB Match List Revised.xls

View attachment SLU Match List.xls

View attachment UMKC Match List.xls
 
HopefulDoc2007 said:
So......... Because I am off of work today and have very little to do. I decided we could look at this match list issue more objectively. I pulled up match lists from two schools, basically randomly, that I figured everyone would be familiar with. There may be better schools to compare KCUMB to, in terms of size, focus, etc. But these are the two I thought of first. St. Louis University SOM and UMKC SOM. I put the numbers available from KCUMB (out of the previous posters excel spreadsheat), SLU, and UMKC into separate spreadsheats and counted the numbers and percentages. Looks to me like KCUMB is right in there with both of these schools. Anyway, I'll post them up so you guys can see. I think there is definitely something to be pround of at KCUMB. Another note, however. The goal of a medical school should be to produce compassionate and competent physicians, regardless of the specialty. I beleive KCUMB is doing that. So I don't consider it a bad thing that there is a higher percentage of family med/internal med coming out of KCUMB. In fact, I think that is great b/c I think preventative medicine is so important and will only become more important in coming years. That said, I think the number and variety of specialties coming out of KCUMB is impressive. Sorry for the long note. View attachment 10221

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I agree that KCUMB's match list is fairly impressive, but I will note that I've seen much better, all things considered. I only had a problem with my colleague claiming it was better than most, MD or DO, which I don't think is true. However, I wouldn't judge a school based on a match list; it says more about a given class than anything else.

Also, FWIW, I do think KCUMB is at least on par with UMKC (which is a 6 year BS/MD medical school), SLU, and even KU Med (for which you didn't post the match list). I recall hearing that locally, RD's rather prefer our students because of their reputation for being outstanding and hardworking. However, I wouldn't go nuts with that... We are a good school and we produce good physicians. That's all that concerns me. 🙂
 
spicedmanna said:
I agree that KCUMB's match list is fairly impressive, but I will note that I've seen much better, all things considered. I only had a problem with my colleague claiming it was better than most, MD or DO, which I don't think is true. However, I wouldn't judge a school based on a match list; it says more about a given class than anything else.

Also, FWIW, I do think KCUMB is at least on par with UMKC (which is a 6 year BS/MD medical school), SLU, and even KU Med (for which you didn't post the match list). I recall hearing that locally, RD's rather prefer our students because of their reputation for being outstanding and hardworking. However, I wouldn't go nuts with that... We are a good school and we produce good physicians. That's all that concerns me. 🙂
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I agree completely. I sure hope I will be accepted. 🙂
 
spicedmanna said:
Also, FWIW, I do think KCUMB is at least on par with UMKC (which is a 6 year BS/MD medical school), SLU, and even KU Med (for which you didn't post the match list). I recall hearing that locally, PD's rather prefer our students because of their reputation for being outstanding and hardworking. However, I wouldn't go nuts with that... We are a good school and we produce good physicians. That's all that concerns me. 🙂
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Fixed it for you Spice. 🙂
 
spicedmanna said:
The match list is pretty good, no question, but I wouldn't make as bold of a statement as you did. I'm proud of our school, but your statement is an exaggeration.
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I agree. Take a class match list with a grain of salt. While it says something about a school's ability to prepare its students for residency, the class body and its interests in medicine say much more. One year a class might be interested in ROAD specialties, while the next class might be more into FM, EM, PM&R...etc. At least to me, the percentage that get their #1 resdency choice is more important. From my interview at KCUMB (which seems so long ago) I want to say that it was in the 90's%.
 
spicedmanna said:
Ah, thanks, Harvey. My brain is a bit fried from trying to study the Hematuria schemes. :laugh:
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Tell me about it. Like trying to find your way around NYC in rush hour.😱
 
When I called Friday afternoon, they told me it was not posted. They said the admissions committee met Friday morning, but it was not posted on the computer. Just wondering if anyone called yet.
 
RingJ7303 said:
CT said they would be contacting people in May with more info on address, move-in day payments, apt choice and rate. Also, if you requested help finding a roommate, they said the school handles that part, most likely in May. If they deposited your check, I'd say you've got a room. They pretty much approved me even though their credit check company is having trouble getting a correct report on me. Maybe it's all those years I spent in the CIA.

Regarding the Guinness and wine - :horns:!! I love me some Guinness and there are few things in life finer than good red wine. It's all the B vitamins and antioxidants. Really.

As for the August Birthdays List:
8th - PokerDoc
13th - I'll be 30
19th - t-funk will be 30
25th - Alex will be 29

Any votes as to when? Early in the month before classes start (good time to meet and greet)? Later in the month (once people have gotten to know each other we can celebrate "really" being in med school)? I'll be gone the weekend of the 15th-17th and I'm guessing people might be a little hungover on Fri the 8th (i.e. open bar after white coating ceremony on the 7th - consider it an early bday present from the school PokerDoc 👍). Any suggestions?
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I don't care when, I'm up for anything. I can't remember for sure but didn't some other people have August b-days too, like jzeidenb? Does anyone know if he still going to KCUMB? He hasn't posted in awhile.
 
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axebjc said:
When I called Friday afternoon, they told me it was not posted. They said the admissions committee met Friday morning, but it was not posted on the computer. Just wondering if anyone called yet.
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I called early this morning. They said the decisions still weren't posted.
 
i still vote that my bday this year needs to be celebrated haha

1) its a friday night, our last b4 med school begins
2) a hangover is not an excuse
3) its 08/08/08
 
I called at 12:30 central and she said to try back after 3:00 today. Man I sure hope I can find out today because I have to mail in a deposit for the postbac I got into.
 
axebjc said:
I called at 12:30 central and she said to try back after 3:00 today. Man I sure hope I can find out today because I have to mail in a deposit for the postbac I got into.
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Everyone be sure a post up when you find out when they are posted. Good luck to everyone! 😀
 
Hey it's posted! I was ACCEPTED!!! WOOHOO!!!
 
Yay! Congratulations! 😀
 
Anyone know when the last interview dates are?
 
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