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All i do is sit in one place, eat, and sleep. I'm getting near that dental 15. What are other people doing to stop those adipose cells from accumulating? Eating is the only enjoyable thing right now.......😡
 
Don't eat as much, or control what you eat. Avoid what I call "carbaceous" foods, and drink lots of room temperature water. If you take milk/cream/sugar with coffee, cut it out and learn to drink it black.
 
It would benfit your learning, mood, health, and weight if you tried to fit in some time exercising. It may be difficult to go at first but once you get into it I think you'll find yourself feeling better after the fact.
 
Yeah some people are going to gain weight year one and two just from a combo of heavy study and stress.

The best thing to do is to get with a friend or two and hit the gym everyday. You're both gonna be on the same schedule so u can always go together. Keep yourself hydrated while studying too. People tend to drink coffee and red bull while studying which dehydrates you and makes your body think you're hungry. If you're reading/studying you should be drinking water.

Good luck, it's gonna be tough for some 🙂
 
Im a first year and that first semester literally knocked me on my ass, litterally. I wanted to go to the gym but just couldn't find time, i was too busy sitting in front of the computer cramming for our never ending exam schedule. Now second semester I manage my time sooooo much better and go to the gym 6 times a week, even when there are three exam that week. So, if you manage your time correctly then you should have no problem finding time to go to the gym.
 
lululime said:
One of my friends who lost a lot of weight says cold water goes right through you and warm water decreases appetite. I don't know how it works, but that's what my friend told me.
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You're going to have a doctorate in a health science...please consider that next time you post something like this.
 
One of the most important things I've learned in medical school is how dead wrong physicians and a majority of the nutrition advice is. A large portion of modern diseases are nutrition related yet physicians in general don't know anything about it. The gov't recommendations are too tainted with dogma and/or special interests.

Keep that in mind and start reading nutrition.

There is an interesting concept that every american is essentially pre-diabetic or on a spectrum of insulin resistance. I am starting to agree with that.

In dental school I read 1 business or personal finance book a month on average. I wish I would have peppered in some nutrition stuff. I blindly agreed with mainstream thoughts. Just start with amazon best sellers on the topics and self guide yourself from there.
 
GTFOOMICT said:
One of the most important things I've learned in medical school is how dead wrong physicians and a majority of the nutrition advice is. A large portion of modern diseases are nutrition related yet physicians in general don't know anything about it. The gov't recommendations are too tainted with dogma and/or special interests.

Keep that in mind and start reading nutrition.

There is an interesting concept that every american is essentially pre-diabetic or on a spectrum of insulin resistance. I am starting to agree with that.

In dental school I read 1 business or personal finance book a month on average. I wish I would have peppered in some nutrition stuff. I blindly agreed with mainstream thoughts. Just start with amazon best sellers on the topics and self guide yourself from there.
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So who, in your opinion, would be an authority on nutrition if not the FDA or NIH, the two biggest contributors to nutrition analysis I can think of off the top of my head?
 
Hmmm. I do not agree with nutrition being as an important factor as you suggest and I also do not believe most disease is modern. Increased surveillance and life span is most likely an important factor overlooked by those who are diet-centric.

Out of curiousity, do suscribe to the paleo diet?

GTFOOMICT said:
One of the most important things I've learned in medical school is how dead wrong physicians and a majority of the nutrition advice is. A large portion of modern diseases are nutrition related yet physicians in general don't know anything about it. The gov't recommendations are too tainted with dogma and/or special interests.

Keep that in mind and start reading nutrition.

There is an interesting concept that every american is essentially pre-diabetic or on a spectrum of insulin resistance. I am starting to agree with that.

In dental school I read 1 business or personal finance book a month on average. I wish I would have peppered in some nutrition stuff. I blindly agreed with mainstream thoughts. Just start with amazon best sellers on the topics and self guide yourself from there.
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lululime said:
One of my friends who lost a lot of weight says cold water goes right through you and warm water decreases appetite. I don't know how it works, but that's what my friend told me.
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Whenever you eat/drink something hot or cold, by the time that substances reaches the stomach the body will instantaneous regulate the substance to body temp (98.6f or 37c). So drinking cold or warm water doesnt really do anything to make you lose weight.

Water has 0 calories thats trade secret to losing weight.
 
hifive said:
Whenever you eat/drink something hot or cold, by the time that substances reaches the stomach the body will instantaneous regulate the substance to body temp (98.6f or 37c). So drinking cold or warm water doesnt really do anything to make you lose weight.

Water has 0 calories thats trade secret to losing weight.
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Well, technically it takes energy/work to heat something. So the body does expend a minimal amount of energy as calories warming any liquid consumed. Not enough to be clinically relevant.
 
The status quo of nutrition and health is that I will be fat, on many drugs, and suffering quite a few diseases by the time I'm 50.

Someone is wrong here. I'll take my risks by thinking outside the box.

"Exercise more, eat less" in America is about as impactful as "don't have sex if you don't want a kid" It goes against instinct. Both are 100% true, but impossible for widespread use.
 
GTFOOMICT said:
The status quo of nutrition and health is that I will be fat, on many drugs, and suffering quite a few diseases by the time I'm 50.

Someone is wrong here. I'll take my risks by thinking outside the box.

"Exercise more, eat less" in America is about as impactful as "don't have sex if you don't want a kid" It goes against instinct. Both are 100% true, but impossible for widespread use.
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not impossible. logical. especially for someone who is smart enough to get into dental school.
 
billythekid said:
not impossible. logical. especially for someone who is smart enough to get into dental school.
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People know to not bite their nails either... but they still do. Its hard for some to find the time/motivation to work out. For some the reward is not really greater than the cost. Also, there is genetics that comes into play (and those are hard to overcome). All said and done, I really enjoy working out and eating healthy, but I respect the fact that there are many others that don't get that same feeling of satisfaction from it. 👍
 
What you say is true. We live in such a weak society.

Bereno said:
People know to not bite their nails either... but they still do. Its hard for some to find the time/motivation to work out. For some the reward is not really greater than the cost. Also, there is genetics that comes into play (and those are hard to overcome). All said and done, I really enjoy working out and eating healthy, but I respect the fact that there are many others that don't get that same feeling of satisfaction from it. 👍
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Eat less, exercise more is only impractical because the majority of people are not motivated to do something and others work loong days (~9 hrs) and are tired when they get home. I can sympathize with that since I've felt that way to after long days. We are a work, work, work society with little regard for personal goals.
 
DavesNotHere said:
You're going to have a doctorate in a health science...please consider that next time you post something like this.
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Oooh that sounds mean. No need for the personal attack. Besides, it could be an old wives tale thing.
 
hifive said:
Whenever you eat/drink something hot or cold, by the time that substances reaches the stomach the body will instantaneous regulate the substance to body temp (98.6f or 37c). So drinking cold or warm water doesnt really do anything to make you lose weight.

Water has 0 calories thats trade secret to losing weight.
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Cold liquid is warmed from the heat produced by the body. The heat is transferred from the warm tissues to the cold liquid, which means the tissues need to work that much harder to restore the lost heat. Think of it like putting a warm pot of food in a fridge. the fridge has to work harder to maintain the cold temperature since the pot is giving off heat.
 
Exercise goes a long way...

However, as others stated it is not that simple for many. As a person motivated by competition I decided to start working out at the boxing gym my first year of dental school. It was not only fun but it gave me a goal to achieve.

The gym began to be a financial burden on me and my family so I switched this year to training for traitholons and 5k-10k runs. Once again it is all about setting my goals and achieving them.

The key here is accountability. Hold yourself accountable for the exercise and hold yourself accountable for what you eat. It is kind of like finding that motivation to hold yourself accountable for what type of grades you achieve except in my opinion more important because this is your health. 👍
 
lululime said:
Oooh that sounds mean. No need for the personal attack. Besides, it could be an old wives tale thing.
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I didn't intend it as mean, I intended it as scolding. "old wives tale things" should have been dropped when you hit undergrad. Lest you end up the dentist who recommends adding cream to your coffee so that they won't stain.

When I hit dental school I stopped going off common perception, hunches and old assumptions. For all things health you should be consulting peer reviewed journals heretofore.

But I apologize if it came off as mean.
 
sperten said:
All i do is sit in one place, eat, and sleep. I'm getting near that dental 15. What are other people doing to stop those adipose cells from accumulating? Eating is the only enjoyable thing right now.......😡
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I gained weight in dental school even though I biked to school and went to a fitness class 3x/wk. I ate loads bec of stress and lack of sleep.

I lost now 15lbs in the last 4 yrs. So I am loosing it slowly. I eat healthy. The danger is that once you start working the staff room is full of goodies. I can stop myself now from snacking constantly but could not when I first started out.

I would like to loose another 6lbs or so.

Now I watch what I eat, count my calories, go to the gym and do classes about 4x/wk - esp good after work, lets you forget about it all etc.

I could not have done this at dental school. No time to count calories....

Try your best and take the stairs and walk as much as you can.

All the best.
 
lemoncurry said:
Cold liquid is warmed from the heat produced by the body. The heat is transferred from the warm tissues to the cold liquid, which means the tissues need to work that much harder to restore the lost heat. Think of it like putting a warm pot of food in a fridge. the fridge has to work harder to maintain the cold temperature since the pot is giving off heat.
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Tissues actually dont have to work that hard at all, if one ATP has 30.5 kJ of energy, and a gram of water requires 4.1 J to heat it up, and if one molecule of glucose can produce some 30 odd ATPs then it pretty much costs the body nothing do warm water.

More realistically a slice of bread has 390 kilocalories (or 390000 cal), and it only requires 1cal to warm 1g of water, if we drank 3.78 gallons (1kg of water) it wouldnt really even make a dent in 390kilocalories in a slice of bread.

I majored in bioenergetics 🙂
 
hifive said:
Tissues actually dont have to work that hard at all, if one ATP has 30.5 kJ of energy, and a gram of water requires 4.1 J to heat it up, and if one molecule of glucose can produce some 30 odd ATPs then it pretty much costs the body nothing do warm water.

More realistically a slice of bread has 390 kilocalories (or 390000 cal), and it only requires 1cal to warm 1g of water, if we drank 3.78 gallons (1kg of water) it wouldnt really even make a dent in 390kilocalories in a slice of bread.

I majored in bioenergetics 🙂
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I did some quick maths, and something is not adding up. I calculated that it would take about 6.347 grams of pure glucose to heat up an 8Oz (226.8 grams) glass of water from 3 degrees C to 37 degrees C (34 degrees delta T). Also, your ATP has 30.5 Kj per mole lol 😉

I don't know about you guys, but 6.3 grams seems like a lot just to heat up one cold class of water lol.

My math:
226.8g x 34C x 4.186 j/(g x C) = 32279 j of energy
32279j x 1 mole ATP/30540j = 1.0569 moles ATP
1.0569 moles ATP x 30 (moles Glucose / moles ATP) = 0.0352 moles Glucose
0.0352 moles Glucose x 180.16g/mole = 6.347 grams glucose!

Did I do something wrong??
 
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sperten said:
All i do is sit in one place, eat, and sleep. I'm getting near that dental 15. What are other people doing to stop those adipose cells from accumulating? Eating is the only enjoyable thing right now.......😡
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Nothing. The # of your cells wont change they will largely remain constant for your life, you just dont want those cells to grow larger. Maybe you'll cover that in one of your classes. 😉
 
DrDDSman said:
Nothing. The # of your cells wont change they will largely remain constant for your life, you just dont want those cells to grow larger. Maybe you'll cover that in one of your classes. 😉
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The literature on that is mixed. Many reliable studies have shown that rats show consistent hyperplasia of adipocytes and show that the calculation in humans is highly suspect.

So hopefully they won't learn that in their classes. :scared:
 
Bereno said:
I did some quick maths, and something is not adding up. I calculated that it would take about 6.347 grams of pure glucose to heat up an 8Oz (226.8 grams) glass of water from 3 degrees C to 37 degrees C (34 degrees delta T). Also, your ATP has 30.5 Kj per mole lol 😛

I don't know about you guys, but 6.3 grams seems like a lot just to heat up one cold class of water lol.

My math:
226.8g x 34C x 4.186 j/(g x C) = 32279 j of energy
32279j x 1 mole ATP/30540j = 1.0569 moles ATP
1.0569 moles ATP x 30 (moles Glucose / moles ATP) = 0.0352 moles Glucose
0.0352 moles Glucose x 180.16g/mole = 6.347 grams glucose!

Did I do something wrong??
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Yeah, one of mol glucose is not the same thing as 1 molecule of glucose. One mol is the weight of (6.0??? x 10^23 ) glucose molecules. So 180.16/ avagadros # is weight of one molecule of glucose. which is 3x 10^-22g ---> that makes 34-38atp

Logically speaking the oxidation of one molecule of glucose is like something around 3000kj.

Man this brings back memories, its been way to long haha.🙂
 
hifive said:
Yeah, one of mol glucose is not the same thing as 1 molecule of glucose. One mol is the weight of (6.0??? x 10^23 ) glucose molecules. So 180.16/ avagadros # is weight of one molecule of glucose. which is 3x 10^-22g ---> that makes 34-38atp

Logically speaking the oxidation of one molecule of glucose is like something around 3000kj.

Man this brings back memories, its been way to long haha.🙂
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~3000kj per mole lol :laugh:

OP: It looks like drinking a bit of cold water every day just might in fact help out. 👍
 
Eat at or less than maintenance calories for day and you are guaranteed not to gain weight. Problem solved.
 
lol so much math. I lost 25 lbs from cutting out fast food, soda, and pre-processed foods. Cooked my own meals, drank water, coffee black always, became a workaholic that goes to the gym right after and runs 2 miles.
 
a2ndragoon89 said:
lol so much math. I lost 25 lbs from cutting out fast food, soda, and pre-processed foods. Cooked my own meals, drank water, coffee black always, became a workaholic that goes to the gym right after and runs 2 miles.
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Why cut fast food, soda, and pre-processed foods from your diet? Unless you don't like them that is... You can lose weight eating a diet including fast food as long as you don't exceed your maintenance calories for the day. The type of food you eat has no long-term affects on your overall body composition, however, these types of food are not intrinsically "healthy" and may be deficient in many micronutrients, phytochemicals, etc. leading to an overall less healthy diet.

Eat a well balanced diet that meets both macronutritional and micronutritional needs and you can include fast food to lose weight - this I assure you.
 
Plain and simple:

Want to lose weight- eat less and work out more.

Want to be successful - work your butt off.

Want to get better grades - Study harder, more or more efficiently.

Unfortunately, there are no magic wands...
 
dentalbro2016 said:
Why cut fast food, soda, and pre-processed foods from your diet? Unless you don't like them that is... You can lose weight eating a diet including fast food as long as you don't exceed your maintenance calories for the day. The type of food you eat has no long-term affects on your overall body composition, however, these types of food are not intrinsically "healthy" and may be deficient in many micronutrients, phytochemicals, etc. leading to an overall less healthy diet.

Eat a well balanced diet that meets both macronutritional and micronutritional needs and you can include fast food to lose weight - this I assure you.
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I don't think you have ever been on a diet... Theoretically you are correct, but in practice this totally fails. The fact of the matter is that if you eat fast food, you will be consuming far more than your basal calories. The problem is that fast food and soda have a very high "density" of calories. They have a small satiety/calorie ratio. This will cause you to eat more than you need because you are not "full". Eating fast food while trying to lose weight does not work. Sorry man.
 
Bereno said:
I don't think you have ever been on a diet... Theoretically you are correct, but in practice this totally fails. The fact of the matter is that if you eat fast food, you will be consuming far more than your basal calories. The problem is that fast food and soda have a very high "density" of calories. They have a small satiety/calorie ratio. This will cause you to eat more than you need because you are not "full". Eating fast food while trying to lose weight does not work. Sorry man.
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While in your experience this type of dieting may have failed, there is a large following of people who utilize IIFYM (if it fits your macros) style diet and have achieved great results. This diet is under the basis that one can eat any types of foods they want as long as they meet their macro/micronutritional needs. Most of these people, however, supplement their diet full of whole foods and live a healthy lifestyle; therefore they have no problem adding the occasional fast food item or soda to their diet to achieve their desired body composition - and have done so with great success.

The reason diets all too often fail are because of unrealistic expectations. People believe they can only lose weight by eating "clean" foods such as chicken, egg whites, brown rice, sweet potatoes, broccoli, etc. Instead, eat smart, eat what you want, and follow your macro/micronutritional guidelines to achieve your desired body composition and you will not only enjoy your diet, but maintain your sanity.
 
dentalbro2016 said:
While in your experience this type of dieting may have failed, there is a large following of people who utilize IIFYM (if it fits your macros) style diet and have achieved great results. This diet is under the basis that one can eat any types of foods they want as long as they meet their macro/micronutritional needs. Most of these people, however, supplement their diet full of whole foods and live a healthy lifestyle; therefore they have no problem adding the occasional fast food item or soda to their diet to achieve their desired body composition - and have done so with great success.

The reason diets all too often fail are because of unrealistic expectations. People believe they can only lose weight by eating "clean" foods such as chicken, egg whites, brown rice, sweet potatoes, broccoli, etc. Instead, eat smart, eat what you want, and follow your macro/micronutritional guidelines to achieve your desired body composition and you will not only enjoy your diet, but maintain your sanity.
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I am quite familiar with IIFYM. In fact, I use a slightly modified version of that very same method. 🙂 I also agree that many diets fail because of overly ambitious expectations. However, that fact still remains that if you are a consumer (note: not have consumed, but a consumer) of fast food, you will be far out of balance in terms of your macro molecules. Namely, your fat consumption will be far too high. Additionally, your micro nutrient intake will be way out of whack. I understand your position, however this advise is not sound for someone trying to lose weight. Once again, this is good in theory, but is not good in practice. If you want to lose weight, you need to keep track of your macro nutrient intake (much like IIFYM), but you also need to increase your basal metabolism, increase the satiety of your foods (no soda), drink plenty of water, and limit your meal sizes (also no fast food). If you are a body builder, and want to gain weight, programs such as IIFYM that allow fast food are great, but we are talking about losing weight, not gaining. 👍
 
Bereno said:
I am quite familiar with IIFYM. In fact, I use a slightly modified version of that very same method. 🙂 I also agree that many diets fail because of overly ambitious expectations. However, that fact still remains that if you are a consumer (note: not have consumed, but a consumer) of fast food, you will be far out of balance in terms of your macro molecules. Namely, your fat consumption will be far too high. Additionally, your micro nutrient intake will be way out of whack. I understand your position, however this advise is not sound for someone trying to lose weight. Once again, this is good in theory, but is not good in practice. If you want to lose weight, you need to keep track of your macro nutrient intake (much like IIFYM), but you also need to increase your basal metabolism, increase the satiety of your foods (no soda), drink plenty of water, and limit your meal sizes (also no fast food). If you are a body builder, and want to gain weight, programs such as IIFYM that allow fast food are great, but we are talking about losing weight, not gaining. 👍
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I'm not bulking as you suggest, but in fact am on a cut right now, follow IIFYM, have dropped down from 202 to 190lbs while retaining lean body mass, and I eat McDonald's from time to time - the best part is that it still fits in my macros for the day. The rest of my meals for the day I eat whole foods (fruits, veggies, etc.) to meet my micronutritional needs. However, I do agree with you on the satiety issue, but this can be countered by eating a diet high in protein throughout the rest of the day to reduce hunger.

As far as psychological issues found in diets, you can read about the importance of having flexibility within your diet here: http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

Specifically this quote:

One of the fundamental pitfalls of dichotomizing foods as good or bad, or clean or dirty, is that it can form a destructive relationship with food. This isn’t just an empty claim; it’s been seen in research. Smith and colleagues found that flexible dieting was associated with the absence of overeating, lower bodyweight, and the absence of depression and anxiety [22]. They also found that a strict all-or-nothing approach to dieting was associated with overeating and increased bodyweight. Similarly, Stewart and colleagues found that rigid dieting was associated with symptoms of an eating disorder, mood disturbances, and anxiety [23]. Flexible dieting was not highly correlated with these qualities. Although these are observational study designs with self-reported data, anyone who spends enough time among fitness buffs knows that these findings are not off the mark.
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dentalbro2016 said:
I'm not bulking as you suggest, but in fact am on a cut right now, follow IIFYM, have dropped down from 202 to 190lbs while retaining lean body mass, and I eat McDonald's from time to time - the best part is that it still fits in my macros for the day. The rest of my meals for the day I eat whole foods (fruits, veggies, etc.) to meet my micronutritional needs. However, I do agree with you on the satiety issue, but this can be countered by eating a diet high in protein throughout the rest of the day to reduce hunger.

As far as psychological issues found in diets, you can read about the importance of having flexibility within your diet here: http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

Specifically this quote:
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You appear to be a very motivated person who is on top of what you consume. I am also assuming you are actively participating in a decent workout plan. Good for you! (seriously) 👍

However, for most people this is simply NOT a good option. If you tell someone who is on the heavier side that they can lose weight but still eat fast food, they are going to continue their eating habits and not see any improvement. If they are eating fast food, they will likely be eating far too many calories due to such a high caloric density. Please understand though, I'm not saying to go on a super strict diet of broccoli and egg whites. Moderation is key, but for many fast food in moderation is not feasible. I would argue that this is because you cannot reasonably control portion sizes. Instead of attempting moderate consumption of fast food, they should aim to steer clear of it all together. As seen by a2ndragoon89 and many others, cutting out fast foods and soda, along with a little bit of exercise, can produce consistent results. Like I said earlier, in theory this is great, but in practice this wont work for most.
 
Thanks for the compliment, and while I do agree with you that subscribing to this method of dieting may, in fact, not work for everyone it can be successfully implemented. However, I believe that the best diet is one that can be sustained long term, which is ultimately where the word "diet" comes from: Diaeta (Latin in origin) meaning "way of living."
 
hmm. well either way, i saw lbs drop pretty quick after i stopped fast food. it's probably caloric intake that threw me off before. Meals are like 1K cal. lol. It works for me, maybe some people have super fast metabolisms. I don't so I gotta take it easy. Luckily, I've been able to lose weight, 2lbs a week, on average so I'll be ready for d-school. I wanna be the reverse from college
 
dentalbro2016 said:
Thanks for the compliment, and while I do agree with you that subscribing to this method of dieting may, in fact, not work for everyone it can be successfully implemented. However, I believe that the best diet is one that can be sustained long term, which is ultimately where the word "diet" comes from: Diaeta (Latin in origin) meaning "way of living."
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No problem buddy 🙂 I also agree on the bolded part 110% 👍

a2ndragoon89 said:
hmm. well either way, i saw lbs drop pretty quick after i stopped fast food. it's probably caloric intake that threw me off before. Meals are like 1K cal. lol. It works for me, maybe some people have super fast metabolisms. I don't so I gotta take it easy. Luckily, I've been able to lose weight, 2lbs a week, on average so I'll be ready for d-school. I wanna be the reverse from college
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Thats awesome man! 👍 Now if I could only get those pesky last few to go away... lol
 
Bereno said:
No problem buddy 🙂 I also agree on the bolded part 110% 👍

Thats awesome man! 👍 Now if I could only get those pesky last few to go away... lol
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Thanks! During undergrad I was too focused on getting into d-school. Now that I'm just waiting to go, I made it part of my daily routine to work out, even if i'm super beat. I hope I can maintain this in d-school because it's gonna be hell lol.
 
a2ndragoon89 said:
Thanks! During undergrad I was too focused on getting into d-school. Now that I'm just waiting to go, I made it part of my daily routine to work out, even if i'm super beat. I hope I can maintain this in d-school because it's gonna be hell lol.
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Tough but doable. On days when I'm in class 8-5, usually lab days, I just feel too beat to go work out.
 
a2ndragoon89 said:
Thanks! During undergrad I was too focused on getting into d-school. Now that I'm just waiting to go, I made it part of my daily routine to work out, even if i'm super beat. I hope I can maintain this in d-school because it's gonna be hell lol.
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Using a workout as a way to blow off some steam, as well as for overall health benefits is a great thing to do in d-school. Just keep an open mind as to when your workouts might need to happen to accomodate your time schedule. For example if your currently an evening workout person, you might need to become a morning workout person or vice versa. And sometimes it may require a mix of morning and evening workouts over the course of a week!

Just keep an open and adaptable mind to your schedule and you'll find a way to make it happen!
 
i used to feel beat when i went to the gym. it started out as 2x a week, then progressively went to 5x a week. basically, I made a schedule that worked for me and stuck to it. i really will try to keep it up in d-school though. can't wait till it's warmer too because I miss swimming!
 
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