Learning spanish too?

[aubieRx]

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This is sort of a separate point from my above post). .... in my arguments above i was not trying to say that there should be no immigration in america. Some immigration is a good thing. I am glad there are different cultural influences in the united states or otherwise we might be more stagnant than we are.

The problem (which actually is quickly spiraling out of control in this country) is devil-may-care unregulated immigration.

in the future historians may look back and think wow the US govt made one of the biggest political mistakes in the last 2000 years of human history.

This subject is one of many reasons why i am not a republican.,

 

[bananaface]

not really. immigration should not be uncontrolled because something that is not controlled can quickly get out of control and cause a problem (analogy is letting water out of a dam..it has to be at a certain rate not all at once or the whole thing will go haywire). not many countries are as "Friendly" as america is towards immigrants and with good reason. You have to watch who is crossing the borders.

Australia is strictly controlled as is japan (Even canada is more tightly regulated than the united states). The french hate the english language and have gone so far as to construct government organizations whose main purpose is to find french sounding substitutes for english words that are working their way into the language.

But god, whatever the french do is a OK with everyone. they are the cultural elite. 🙄 If the americans did that to try and weed spanish words out of english we would be considered racist/xenophobic.

It is kinda like the liberals who praise tolerance but then make a point of putting down the culture of the south and southerners in general. Prejudice is only an enemy to some liberals when it is the "right" kind of prejudice in their eyes.

Anyway there is some sick compulsion many people (particularly american liberals) have that anyone who can ride on a jet plane deserves insta-citizenship.

Well, i know its gonna cause trouble (erratic immigration rates/lax policies and rules) if it keeps up and i won't have much sympathy for the crying monday morning quarterbacks who had scoffed at people who tried to predict it before it happened.


if millions of mexicans who could not speak french made their way into france we would quickly see the superior "european" attitudes of tolerance give way to a bit of fussing.

What does this have to do with your professional responsibility to counsel? 😕

 

[museabuse]

so what are you saying? that i am racist against mexicans? if i am I am racist against people in my own family tree and that is certainly my own problem not anybody elses. hey i don't like the germans either they are a bunch of sausage sucking swine with horrible personalities. I hate my german ancestors /sarcasm.

Damn...... you need to take a chill pill. I was actually trying to be funny, but you freaked out. I must have hit a nerve.

See we have this service learning class and our first assignment was to take those on line tests and we all had to write about how bias we are against everyone and what are we going to do about it.


However,you did say this, "I have cherokee indian blood AND mexican mixed with the european so I am no racist against indians".

I guess since one member of your family tree decided to have sex with a Native American that makes you understand their culture and hardships they had to endure, and ofcourse blocks you from racism.

Damn... I wish my mom would have done someone who was 1/20 of every ethnicity... I would be super PC and a cultural guru.

 

[aubieRx]

What does this have to do with your professional responsibility to counsel? 😕

nothing. I was talking about how immigrants really ought to come here knowing a moderate (at least) bit of english and that i would study a language before i went to a country and you posted that bit about how it was an unrealistic expectation to hold to others.

the point of that post was to suggest that maybe it is not such an unrealistic expectation that americans should have.

it has nothing to do with counseling patients in another language and more to do with trying to come up with sensible ways to make sure that more americans can speak english.

 

[aubieRx]

Damn...... you need to take a chill pill. I was actually trying to be funny, but you freaked out. I must have hit a nerve.

See we have this service learning class and our first assignment was to take those on line tests and we all had to write about how bias we are against everyone and what are we going to do about it.


However,you did say this, "I have cherokee indian blood AND mexican mixed with the european so I am no racist against indians".

I guess since one member of your family tree decided to have sex with a Native American that makes you understand their culture and hardships they had to endure, and ofcourse blocks you from racism.

Damn... I wish my mom would have done someone who was 1/20 of every ethnicity... I would be super PC and a cultural guru.

You hit no nerves with me. Just my "initiate reply to cryptic/peculiar/smarmy comment" response

I am no indian as far as culture but genetically i have some cherokee blood. I have mexican blood very close to me in the family tree as my grandmother is of mexican descent. In this sense i cannot really claim to be " superior" to mexicans because i have some mexican blood in me. If I thought that all mexicans and people of mixed white/hispanic blood were awful then i would find my own grandmother/mother/self to be so!

That was my point. It was part of my response to someone who thought i was a "good old boy" mentality southerner when in fact i have never lived in the south until a year or so ago and probably have more mexican blood than he does!

Besides, modern indians have not walked the trail of tears. they just happened to have been born from a family tree that includes people who did.

Same thing with the modern blacks in america. They were never slaves. And the modern whites have never been slave owners.

History has passed us by and we still live in the past. The people of english descent who are living in america now have never wiped out an indian civilization. they are just the genetic material of those who did.

 

[bananaface]

nothing. I was talking about how immigrants really ought to come here knowing a moderate (at least) bit of english and that i would study a language before i went to a country and you posted that bit about how it was an unrealistic expectation to hold to others.

the point of that post was to suggest that maybe it is not such an unrealistic expectation that americans should have.

it has nothing to do with counseling patients in another language and more to do with trying to come up with sensible ways to make sure that more americans can speak english.

The whole point of this thread is to discuss communicating with patients who are unable to communicate in English, not to discuss the idea that all patients ought to speak fluent English. The latter would be most appropriately addressed by a thread in the Everyone forum, which is reserved for non-medical related political debate. Whether you like it or not, non-English speakers are here and accessing pharmacy services. Your obligations to them are no less because of the language barrier, even though your abilities may be fewer.

 

[aubieRx]

The whole point of this thread is to discuss communicating with patients who are unable to communicate in English, not to discuss the idea that all patients ought to speak fluent English. The latter would be most appropriately addressed by a thread in the Everyone forum, which is reserved for non-medical related political debate. Whether you like it or not, non-English speakers are here and accessing pharmacy services. Your obligations to them are no less because of the language barrier, even though your abilities may be fewer.

this is going to be my last post on this matter because i have said what I need to say. Like it or not, i represent a point of view that belongs to a large number of people.

I have had a request to delete what i have written but i will not because i think that is censorship and I do not like censorship. I have insulted no one in particular and have peacefully stated my views.

The number of non-english speakers in america is a relevant issue in medicine since it is obviously causing communication problems with patients. In order to solve a problem in medicine you probably have to look at the roots of the problem which is a lack of respect for the language that this country was built with.

we may have an obligation to non-english speakers now but by trying to patch the problem here and there without addressing the real issues behind the problem it will just get worse.

 

[bananaface]

we may have an obligation to non-english speakers now but by trying to patch the problem here and there without addressing the real issues behind the problem it will just get worse.

Giving sub-optimal care to a non-English speaking patient in no way addresses any real issue. It just lets you feel smug and superior, while intentionally harming your patients.

 

[bananaface]

I have had a request to delete what i have written but i will not because i think that is censorship and I do not like censorship. I have insulted no one in particular and have peacefully stated my views.

You may not have insulted anyone in particular; but, you did insult many people in general.

 

[pharmaz88]

You may not have insulted anyone in particular; but, you did insult many people in general.

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong by this statement, but...

If anyone is truly insulted by Aubie's statements on this thread, they really need to work on 'thickening their skin' before graduation. Whether you work retail or hospital, you're going to be subject to insulting and derisive comments/behavior from customers and your alleged 'peers' (eg: docs, nurses) on a steady basis. Learn to not take things personally and let things go.

 

[lord_helmet]

i went to central america to learn spanish. they are in america and most refuse to learn english. 👎 👎 👎 : 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

 

[bananaface]

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong by this statement, but...

If anyone is truly insulted by Aubie's statements on this thread, they really need to work on 'thickening their skin' before graduation. Whether you work retail or hospital, you're going to be subject to insulting and derisive comments/behavior from customers and your alleged 'peers' (eg: docs, nurses) on a steady basis. Learn to not take things personally and let things go.

I'm not saying that people are all personally upset. I'm saying they recognize the statement as insulting and rude to many. We can recognize that and point it out without getting all distraught.

 

[ultracet]

ok... back on topic......

i have encountered spanish only speaking people....

having had 5 years of spanish... i was the one appointed to try the communication...

needless to say i was horrible at it

thankfully our printouts (the patient info sheets) could be printed in spanish!!!!!

i think in the future i would let them read the info there... and then say "comprende?" and if they say si... then i say gracias hasta luego.. if they say no... then..... i start searching for someone who speaks spanish

 

[CAGinseng]

ok... back on topic......

i have encountered spanish only speaking people....

having had 5 years of spanish... i was the one appointed to try the communication...

needless to say i was horrible at it

thankfully our printouts (the patient info sheets) could be printed in spanish!!!!!

i think in the future i would let them read the info there... and then say "comprende?" and if they say si... then i say gracias hasta luego.. if they say no... then..... i start searching for someone who speaks spanish

I agrree w/ you. Spanish speaking people are very compassionate and willing to help translate if asked. You can easily approach another customer or another employee in the store/hospital to translate for you. It is extremely important that the patient comprehend exactly what it is that they're taking and the side effects. Eventhough the print out might be in Spanish, Spanish speaking people tend to pay more attention if verbally told, vs. reading it.

Regardless, now more than ever it is essential for health professionals to be bilingual. You will have more opportunities and appreciated by your customers/patients if you can communicate with them or attempt to do so in their language.

 

[CAGinseng]

i went to central america to learn spanish. they are in america and most refuse to learn english. 👎 👎 👎 : 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

I disagree with you completely. Latin people try extremely hard to learn English, and the American ways. It is very obvious that they wish to succeed in this country and therefore give everything up to do so.
Perhaps you ought to be a bit more open-minded and not so judgemental. It is quite obvious that you are still young and need to mature. If you would like to become a good health professional/pharmacist you should perhaps be more compassionate, caring, open-minded and not be so quick to judge others.
By the way the majority of America is made up of mainly Spanish speaking people (Mexico, South America, Central America, Islands, etc.) The United States is just 1 country in America. America is a Latin word.

 

[endlesslove]

even if i knew spanish fluently i would refuse to speak it to customers who could not also speak english. We do not want this country turning into a goofy dual language nation. Just another step in the politician sponsored balkanization plans.

the govt. is useless sometimes.

I agree with AubieRx...to an extent though. Yes, there are people who are visiting the country, for instance, or are new here, so that's an understandable exception. Where I draw the line (i.e. try to search for another pharmacist) is if the patient has been here for YEARS and YEARS and they do not improve their English to the extent that I am "wasting" so much time on them (45 min-60 min time frame that could've been used to help like 10 patients); as another poster mentioned, THEY are coming into our OUR country, America, where the PRIMARY language is ENGLISH--you want to come, fine (do so legally, of course 😛 ) but learn the d*mn language. As the old saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. They are beggars in the sense that they want something (entrance to the U.S.) but they can't choose to have American citizens change to fit THEIR needs and learn THEIR langauge without they themselves learning the English language. You gotta give a little to get a little right? So we're "giving a little" b/c most students in American schools try to learn Spanish (pretty well too) but I do not think we're getting a little--at least not in the healthcare field. Now don't get me wrong--my parents did not know English very well DECADES ago and learned on their own and I am proud of that; sure, it's nice that other people were nicer to them b/c of their lack of the mastery of the English language back then but they always had me along so that it wasn't a burden on the healthcare professionals. Lazy people who do not try hard just bother me...(i.e. learning English, being on the welfare system, eating up our tax money...)

I was pretty good at Spanish but decided not to learn it anymore--waste of time IMO (but then again I'm already bilingual 🙂 ) and I'd be willing to do so only if I get paid more money. If you speak Spanish, do you necessarily get paid more? I'm aiming for mainly (99%) hospital pharmacy, not retail pharmacy (0.000001%), if this makes a difference. To the OP, I'd say go for it only if it will help you make more money; otherwise, you can focus your time on other precious things in life.

 

[Caverject]

I agree with AubieRx...to an extent though. Yes, there are people who are visiting the country, for instance, or are new here, so that's an understandable exception. Where I draw the line (i.e. try to search for another pharmacist) is if the patient has been here for YEARS and YEARS and they do not improve their English to the extent that I am "wasting" so much time on them (45 min-60 min time frame that could've been used to help like 10 patients); as another poster mentioned, THEY are coming into our OUR country, America, where the PRIMARY language is ENGLISH--you want to come, fine (do so legally, of course 😛 ) but learn the d*mn language. As the old saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. They are beggars in the sense that they want something (entrance to the U.S.) but they can't choose to have American citizens change to fit THEIR needs and learn THEIR langauge without they themselves learning the English language. You gotta give a little to get a little right? So we're "giving a little" b/c most students in American schools try to learn Spanish (pretty well too) but I do not think we're getting a little--at least not in the healthcare field. Now don't get me wrong--my parents did not know English very well DECADES ago and learned on their own and I am proud of that; sure, it's nice that other people were nicer to them b/c of their lack of the mastery of the English language back then but they always had me along so that it wasn't a burden on the healthcare professionals. Lazy people who do not try hard just bother me...(i.e. learning English, being on the welfare system, eating up our tax money...)

I was pretty good at Spanish but decided not to learn it anymore--waste of time IMO (but then again I'm already bilingual 🙂 ) and I'd be willing to do so only if I get paid more money. If you speak Spanish, do you necessarily get paid more? I'm aiming for mainly (99%) hospital pharmacy, not retail pharmacy (0.000001%), if this makes a difference. To the OP, I'd say go for it only if it will help you make more money; otherwise, you can focus your time on other precious things in life.

Why can't you people get it through your thick skulls that being a pharmacist is ALL ABOUT PATIENT CARE and not your petty thoughts about a patient not trying hard enough to learn english?? Give me a break!

 

[aubieRx]

we are not thick headed. we just see things not getting easier if current "lets ignore it and it will go away" trends prevail. If you think its bad now, just wait.

we are not saying we'd let a patient die for not knowing english but at the same time I think it is entirely reasonable to question/get irritated at the fact that a lot of these folks don't know our language.

 

[ultracet]

we offer spanish as electives in our school


i also enjoy programs on my palm that have medical spanish translations

 

[Caverject]

we are not thick headed. we just see things not getting easier if current "lets ignore it and it will go away" trends prevail. If you think its bad now, just wait.

we are not saying we'd let a patient die for not knowing english but at the same time I think it is entirely reasonable to question/get irritated at the fact that a lot of these folks don't know our language.

Well, how do you intend to fix it in a way that does not effect patient care?

 

[Caverject]

we offer spanish as electives in our school


i also enjoy programs on my palm that have medical spanish translations

Want a cookie?

 

[CAGinseng]

Why can't you people get it through your thick skulls that being a pharmacist is ALL ABOUT PATIENT CARE and not your petty thoughts about a patient not trying hard enough to learn english?? Give me a break!

👍 👍 👍 🙂 Absolutely. If you are criticizing patients and being so judgemental, maybe you're in the wrong profession.

It's not too difficult to ask the patient to bring their child/relative to translate next time, or to just ask a stranger for help in translating.

 

[ultracet]

Want a cookie?

what doesn't your school?

i'm just trying to get it back on topic and stop the nonsense that is going on in this thread.

 

[Caverject]

what doesn't your school?

i'm just trying to get it back on topic and stop the nonsense that is going on in this thread.

no, we offer a class in cultural competence instead. Great class too btw

 

[ultracet]

no, we offer a class in cultural competence instead. Great class too btw

cultural competence? what all does that entail?

 

[Caverject]

Student pharmacists learn and interact with cultures that can potentially differ greatly from their own thoughts and beliefs, and learn how to accept and value a different point of view. Culture, language, lifestyle, and disease states all have considerable impact on how patients access and respond to health care services, hence the importance of the course. I think it is beneficial for students at my school considering that 65% of my class are from small rural Georgia towns where they have very little culture exposure. Don't forget, we are that state that use to fly a version of the confederate flag proudly until a few years ago, and even today citizens are fighting over the use of that flag.

 

[gablet]

Student pharmacists learn and interact with cultures that can potentially differ greatly from their own thoughts and beliefs, and learn how to accept and value a different point of view. Culture, language, lifestyle, and disease states all have considerable impact on how patients access and respond to health care services, hence the importance of the course. I think it is beneficial for students at my school considering that 65% of my class are from small rural Georgia towns where they have very little culture exposure. Don't forget, we are that state that use to fly a version of the confederate flag proudly until a few years ago, and even today citizens are fighting over the use of that flag.

Do you read that book about the little girl whose family refuses medical care because of their religion?

 

[off2skl]

Why can't you people get it through your thick skulls that being a pharmacist is ALL ABOUT PATIENT CARE and not your petty thoughts about a patient not trying hard enough to learn english?? Give me a break!

There is a limit...


My pharmacy has a large Spanish-only population. Unfortunately, out of all the pharmacy staff, I have the largest Spanish vocabulary, and even that is limited (thank goodness for our Spanish/English dictionary). I try to do the best I can to communicate in Spanish when necessary. What I always find funny is as soon as a few words come out of my mouth I have people who start rambling at what seems to be warp speed as if I'm fluent! 🙂

And then there was the woman who had the audacity to ask me in SPANISH why I didn't speak Spanish better? Uh, HELLO??? While I personally feel that knowing a second language is great (and in Europe and other parts of the world it is the norm rather than the exception), the official language is English. At that pointI wanted to tell her that perhaps she should make some attempt to learn English. Compassion can only go so far.

 

[doc05]

There is a limit...


the official language is English. At that pointI wanted to tell her that perhaps she should make some attempt to learn English. Compassion can only go so far.

the U.S. has no official language.

 

[tj_11x3]

It seems like some people have a "personal bone to pick" in this thread. That they would potentially stifle their own growth, career development or business just to spite a group of people??????

Hmm...has anybody stopped to consider that learning Spanish (or ANY other language/skill/degree) could possibly benefit them in addition to making them a better Doctor and greater asset to their patients/community?

 

[rougemarie]

Just my $0.02, my obligation is to serve the patient, therefore I meet them where they are. If I happen to speak Spanish, great. If not, I'll use whatever means available to deliver effective care possible. I personally view skills in other languages to be a plus, an extra set of tools which enables me to deliver care more effectively. Personal opinion aside, I'd let the politicians/law makers decide which language should be spoken here. Until there's a law prohibiting me to counsel patients in languages other than English, my number one obligation is to the patient. Just my humble opinion. Good discussion, I enjoy reading this 👍

 

[aubieRx]

America is a Latin word.

This is not true if you mean latin is "hispanic or latino" in origin.

The word america is of italian origin. It is derived from the name of the explorer "Amerigo Vespucci "

True it has latin origins but the language of latin came out of rome and was the foundation for english in addition to spanish.

"It may have been the publication and widespread circulation of his letters that led Martin Waldseemüller to name the new continent America on his world map of 1507. Vespucci styled himself Americus Vespucius in his Latin writings, so Waldseemüller based the new name on the Latin form of Vespucci's first name, taking the feminine form America. (See also Naming of America.) Amerigo itself is an Italian form of Haimirich (in English, Henry)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_Vespucci

at any rate mr. Waldseemüller was not latino either.

disagree with you completely. Latin people try extremely hard to learn English, and the American ways. It is very obvious that they wish to succeed in this country and therefore give everything up to do so. disagree with you completely. Latin people try extremely hard to learn English, and the American ways. It is very obvious that they wish to succeed in this country and therefore give everything up to do so.
Perhaps you ought to be a bit more open-minded and not so judgemental. It is quite obvious that you are still young and need to mature

Say what you will about me but at least I paid attention to history classes. And I have a mind that is able to register the fact that the sears store has signs written in both spanish and english everywhere. 👍

 

[aubieRx]

👍 👍 👍 🙂 Absolutely. If you are criticizing patients and being so judgemental, maybe you're in the wrong profession.

It's not too difficult to ask the patient to bring their child/relative to translate next time, or to just ask a stranger for help in translating.

Being a pharmacist does not mean you have to cease being judgmental as the liberals see fit to define "judgmental". (I consider caverject calling endlesslove, me etc "thick skulled" as an example of being very judgmental.. 🙂 )

I am not applying for a position as staff writer for the NY Times.

Besides, I am not so much criticizing patients as I am criticizing a broader trend that is going to eventually undermine national unity if left unchecked.

I also have already stated that i would most likely speak spanish to a patient if i knew it. My heart is too kind to do otherwise even if I have strong beliefs about the value of english in this country.

( And the value of english in general. It is , in my opinion, the greatest language that ever was and ever will be used on earth. I admire so many of the works of fiction that were written using it...especially the ones that were written in england)

 

[aubieRx]

Well, how do you intend to fix it in a way that does not effect patient care?

Not bother to learn spanish for starters. If that affects patient care it is no one's fault but the person who does not know the dominant language in the US.

I also side with groups who are attempting to make english our official language.

WE are in an age when common sense is often heralded as offensive.

 

[museabuse]

Being a pharmacist does not mean you have to cease being judgmental as the liberals see fit to define "judgmental". I am not applying for a position as staff writer for the NY Times.
Besides, I am not so much criticizing patients as I am criticizing a trend that is going to eventually undermine national unity if left unchecked.

Girl.... you been listenin to too many of those right wing talk shows. You probably call up Sean Hannity and say, "Your a great American." Which translate to I love your hate filled spin doctor speech. Thoses guys, and all talk show hosts, would love pepperoni pizza today, But as soon as liberals say they like it... now peporoni pizza is rancid and now they like mushrooms. And as soon as liberals say they like mushrooms now they like pepperoni pizza again. When Clinton was in power all they talked about is how much money he spends well and getting blow job, do you ever hear them comment on how much Bush is spending? I thought conservatives try and spend less and limit government.... wait a minute there is now more government( homeland security) and Bush has spent more than any president including inflation?

Oh my point is people that call into those talk shows and tell rush and shawn and ann how much they love them and how great they are and kiss their a$$es need to get a life!!!!! Geez I'd rather lick papa smurf's a$$

 

[aubieRx]

Girl.... you been listenin to too many of those right wing talk shows. You probably call up Sean Hannity and say, "Your a great American." Which translate to I love your hate filled spin doctor speech. Thoses guys, and all talk show hosts, would love pepperoni pizza today, But as soon as liberals say they like it... now peporoni pizza is rancid and now they like mushrooms. And as soon as liberals say they like mushrooms now they like pepperoni pizza again. When Clinton was in power all they talked about is how much money he spends well and getting blow job, do you ever hear them comment on how much Bush is spending? I thought conservatives try and spend less and limit government.... wait a minute there is now more government( homeland security) and Bush has spent more than any president including inflation?

Oh my point is people that call into those talk shows and tell rush and shawn and ann how much they love them and how great they are and kiss their a$$es need to get a life!!!!! Geez I'd rather lick papa smurf's a$$

That is the biggest bunch of utter malarky I have seen in awhile.



oh lordy.

And for the record I don't watch hannity.or o' reilly. or fox news in general unless something awful happens .

 

[museabuse]

That is the biggest bunch of utter malarky I have seen in awhile.



oh lordy.

And for the record I don't watch hannity.or o' reilly. or fox news in general unless something awful happens .

Ok I was just trying to incorporate papa smurf flash into one of my posts.
Plus I wish someone didn't revive this thread.
Plus I have a soap note due tomorrow and I haven't started.
Plus you say liberal all the time what am I supposed to think?
Plus I was trying to get this thread moved to the everyone thread by the "thread natzi" due to its political nature.

 

[aubieRx]

I used "liberal" because it is obvious to me who the more liberal posters are. Not that I care if someone disagrees but I have found that occasionally liberals use the same key words of "closed minded" or "heartless" or "judgmental" etc etc to describe the feeling of encountering someone who disagrees with them

So, if i seem closed minded keep in mind i am not a NY times writer. My mind is closed to some (but not all) avenues; everyones mind is somewhat closed to what they personally find silly/stupid. Including the minds of the liberals writing for the NY times.

If this were not so there would be no personal opinion.

i only replied to the thread to talk about the origin of the word america and then i just couldnt stop. 😛

 

[BTB]

For those of you keeping score at home:
that's 3 mentions of the New York Times in this thread to date.

 

[aubieRx]

For those of you keeping score at home:
that's 3 mentions of the New York Times in this thread to date.

uh-huh. Its called making a reference to something. In this case I mentioned it to paint a picture of the antithesis of my personal political beliefs so it should come as no surprise to someone that I might not agree with them.

I want to make it clear I am not a liberal and thus reserve the right not to agree with liberals and the mentality of the news sources which often provide them with their world-outlook👍

If my stance on english annoys anyone in here then I don't regret to inform you that I don't care. Also attack the ideas not the poster if you must debate something. Otherwise i will just think that you are smarmy and poor at debate to boot.

 

[no-see-um]

You could have the political opinion that mexicans, or whoever else ought to speak english in America. But, when you let that opinion influence your pharmacy practice to justify giving them any less care than anyone else because they speak a different language, then I see that as unprofessional. Acting unpressionally with regards to those political views appears bigoted.

 

[aubieRx]

ah I am assuming this is the race card. I knew it would get played. My problem is not with race it is with attitude. If millions of german speaking blonde haired blueeyed people came into america and were not learning english I would feel the same way about catering to these hypothetical german-speakers.

I do not care to see massive amounts of signs written in both english and german anymore than I do seeing them in english and spanish,.

If feeling this way is bigoted then yes I am bigoted against people who come to america and do not learn english. In the same sense the french are bigoted against people who come to France and expect to be spoken to in English.

I have already stated that I would not go out of my way to provide inferior service to a spanish speaker if i could speak spanish(Assuming they were a legal resident/legally visiting the country ). But nor would I bend over backwards with regards to language to serve them (this includes the fact I have no desire to learn spanish for the sole purpose of using it in a pharmacy).

 

[ZpackSux]

To accomodate every non english speaking residents of America, I heard that ACPE is mandating all pharmacy schools in the US start implementing 'Counseling in Foreign Language' course which will teach pharmacy student to counsel in 114 different languages.

 

[ZpackSux]

ah I am assuming this is the race card. I knew it would get played. My problem is not with race it is with attitude. If millions of german speaking blonde haired blueeyed people came into america and were not learning english I would feel the same way about catering to these hypothetical german-speakers.

I do not care to see massive amounts of signs written in both english and german anymore than I do seeing them in english and spanish,.

If feeling this way is bigoted then yes I am bigoted against people who come to america and do not learn english. In the same sense the french are bigoted against people who come to France and expect to be spoken to in English.

I have already stated that I would not go out of my way to provide inferior service to a spanish speaker if i could speak spanish(Assuming they were a legal resident/legally visiting the country ). But nor would I bend over backwards with regards to language to serve them (this includes the fact I have no desire to learn spanish for the sole purpose of using it in a pharmacy).

Don't you have a test to take?

 

[aubieRx]

To accomodate every non english speaking residents of America, I heard that ACPE is mandating all pharmacy schools in the US start implementing 'Counseling in Foreign Language' course which will teach pharmacy student to counsel in 114 different languages.

and your opinion of this is? 😕

dont worry i dont bite.

 

[aubieRx]

Don't you have a test to take?

YES yes I do.

at 11:30. thank you for the friendly reminder

 

[ZpackSux]

and your opinion of this is? 😕

dont worry i dont bite.

My opinion?

If we're going to accomodate every non English speaking patients, let's accomodate 'every' non English speaking patients..and not stop at just Spanish. Why should Spanish speaking patients be accomodated but not..Russian..Indonesian..Indian..Japanese...Chinese..Dutch..Italian..etc etc..

Why...suddenly because Spanish speaking Americans are the majoriy amongst the minorities..should they should receive a preferential treatment?? I don't think so. Let's be fair. I believe pharmacists should be able to counsel patients in all spoken languages of the world.. Cuz we have to accomodate.

 

[ZpackSux]

To accomodate every non english speaking residents of America, I heard that ACPE is mandating all pharmacy schools in the US start implementing 'Counseling in Foreign Language' course which will teach pharmacy student to counsel in 114 different languages.

Please note the sarcasm

 

[aubieRx]

Please note the sarcasm

😳
I thought it sounded a bit strange but I thought it might be a course on how to use those machines that print instructions in all those different languages

 

[aubieRx]

My opinion?

If we're going to accomodate every non English speaking patients, let's accomodate 'every' non English speaking patients..and not stop at just Spanish. Why should Spanish speaking patients be accomodated but not..Russian..Indonesian..Indian..Japanese...Chinese..Dutch..Italian..etc etc..

I think we should also use radio telescopes to busily search for incoming alien signals so we can decipher any possible alien languages in case they come by walgreens to get a prescription filled