LECOM - Bradenton Discussion thread 2007-2008

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Hi current students,

I already have Rohen and Netter, do I need the new Atlas of Clinical Gross Anatomy by Moses too?
I have Lippicott's biochemistry review book, do I need Mark's Basic medical biochemistry? Do we pick learning issues from it?
What about the behavioral science in medicine? Will we pick learning issues from it likely?
We need the embryology book by Moore even though it's a bad book by consensus right?
I have the Rapid Interpretation of EKGs, do I need the Twelve lead book by Garcia?


Thank you guys so much!
 
Hi current students,
I already have Rohen and Netter, do I need the new Atlas of Clinical Gross Anatomy by Moses too?
I wouldn't think so. It looks like this Moses atlas just replaced Rohen's Anatomy Atlas that we used. It's an atlas so you really aren't tested from it, just another resource of actual cadaver photos for you to use if you don't feel like digging around much in lab. I used the anatomy text and then supplemented it with Rohen and Netter and did fine.

I have Lippicott's biochemistry review book, do I need Mark's Basic medical biochemistry? Do we pick learning issues from it?
You will pick learning issues from Mark's. Whether you need it or not is kinda up to you. I've heard good things about the Lippicott review book though. Starting off you can always use the library's copy and match up the material with what's in your book just to be sure you cover everything.

What about the behavioral science in medicine? Will we pick learning issues from it likely?
Don't really need it. It was so small I went ahead and got it but have really only picked ~3 chapters from it. Could just use the library's copy. Compared to everything else it's such a quick read that if you do pick a chapter from it you could just sit in the library and spend 30 minutes reading the chapter and be fine.

We need the embryology book by Moore even though it's a bad book by consensus right?
Sadly you'll be picking from this as well. Especially early on as I think some of our first required reading sections for PBL were from Embryo. So you'll need to make sure you at least are familiar with what that book covers, but a lot of people also went other embryo books and found some Embryo powerpoint slides from earlier classes.

We had a little bit of embryo this semester for a case and it wasn't nearly as bad as when I first looked at it during 1st semester. I just don't like how it's written. Plus in the beginning with everything starting to pile on reading something where every sentence was like, "And then in the 2nd week this layer turns into these 2 layers, and then later in the 8th that previous lower layer now turns into this layer, etc......" Just wasn't "fun".

I have the Rapid Interpretation of EKGs, do I need the Twelve lead book by Garcia?
Probably won't get too much into depth with EKGs during 1st year. You'll have some heart cases and I think some groups may have picked a few topics from the 12 Lead book but I haven't looked at it yet. For the most part the physio book's cardio section covers what it is important for first year. I'm sure many people did go and read some in 12 Lead and/or Rapid Interpretation for more in depth info but not absolutely necessary. Again, the library has copies.
 
What about the behavioral science in medicine? Will we pick learning issues from it likely?

Never picked any learning issues from it, but read just about the whole thing for the Behavioral Sciences mini-course in 2nd year. The old professor retired, though, so you might not need it at all. Talk to your upperclassmen about it. Some of the chapters are required reading and are testable in Clinical Exam class. I copied them in the library.

I have the Rapid Interpretation of EKGs, do I need the Twelve lead book by Garcia?

It's silly to use it in first year. If your group wants to pick it as a topic tell them they are complete idiots. You won't understand it. You'll need to know it well in second year because you'll have a bunch of lectures on it-- but you need to read on your own to understand. You may find some other books that you like on the topic. I read about 6 different ecg books and picked the things that I liked most out of each of them. Pretty much all the testable material is in the lectures, though. It is handy to have them on hand for pbl in year two because you'll see a lot of ecg's and you'll want something as a reference.
 
hey lecom sutdents! i have a quick question (it may be stupid...dont hate though).

i understand that ofr PBL you are broken up into small groups and that within your group you decide what is important to be tested on.... is it possible that two groups could go through the first two years with very different background and knowledge base?? if one group thought certain things were important but another group didnt?? or are the essentials pretty much covered no matter what?? also, what if you and your group don't agree on what is "important?" thanks!!!
 
hey lecom sutdents! i have a quick question (it may be stupid...dont hate though).

i understand that ofr PBL you are broken up into small groups and that within your group you decide what is important to be tested on.... is it possible that two groups could go through the first two years with very different background and knowledge base?? if one group thought certain things were important but another group didnt?? or are the essentials pretty much covered no matter what?? also, what if you and your group don't agree on what is "important?" thanks!!!

I am sure the current students can answer this much better than I can BUT keep in mind you switch groups twice/year, which eliminates many of the issues you bring up
 
I was wondering if anyone knew of any good churches around the area. I am Catholic but more than willing to go to any denomination church if it is good. Feel free to pm or email me if you dont feel comfortable discussing this on the forum

thanks kiddos
 
hey lecom sutdents! i have a quick question (it may be stupid...dont hate though).

i understand that for PBL you are broken up into small groups and that within your group you decide what is important to be tested on.... is it possible that two groups could go through the first two years with very different background and knowledge base?? if one group thought certain things were important but another group didnt?? or are the essentials pretty much covered no matter what??

Hopefully one of the now 3rd years will chime in since they've dealt with the 2 years of basic sciences and how that's prepared them for the boards....

But, from what I'm seeing so far I don't think any two people will go through the 1st two years with wildly different backgrounds solely because of differences in what they covered in PBL. Remember, you'll be switching groups each semester, and facilitators once or twice during the semester so you just be with one group the whole time.

And for the most part groups usually only differ by a handful of chapters on each test. For our last PBL test the other day some groups had 19 issues, some had 25, and within those the main topics were pretty much covered by all. There are always some differences, and they usually seem to be things that may not have been entirely central to the case. You may have skimmed the chapter while looking up something about the case, but for whatever reason your group as a whole didn't pick it to read or be tested on.

I think that's one of the biggest variables that come up in people's minds when really trying to grasp the curriculum. Every curriculum has it's strengths and weaknesses, there's not a "perfect" way to learn this much material. Especially in PBL you kind of need to have a little faith in the system and keep pushing yourself to stay on top of reading and to make sure you cover all the basic science aspects of the case.

And force yourself to go deep into explaining. When going through the case don't just be content to give a surface explanation of why something is the way it is, but force yourself to ask about the mechanism of it, the anatomy of that part, what actually is causing that symptom, etc...

I really can't explain it, and not doing a great job right now either. I never really got into a comfortable "groove" during first semester. I just think a lot of that was being exposed to so much material that covered many different topics. 2nd semester for me was when I really felt like I was beginning to integrate some of these random facts together. Also became a little more conscious of whether or not I was truly getting at the basic science concepts behind each case.

also, what if you and your group don't agree on what is "important?" thanks!!!

This will happen. I've been extremely fortunate in that both my previous groups were extremely good and everyone got along. By no means did everyone agree all the time and there were some good debates, but we didn't let things get too heated or personal. I've heard of other groups having very heated arguments that were no fun at all.

Hopefully by this part in our lives most students have developed health, mature ways of dealing with conflict. There's always going to be a few who just are not to that point yet and like in life, you just have to deal with it the best you can. Hopefully the majority of the group is rational, logical and came come to some sort of agreement democratically even if one or two people are trying to push their view. At other times you just may have to suck it up and deal with some random, seemingly not so important, chapter being chosen.

In both of my groups we pretty much just did things democratically. We all kind of informally agreed that no matter how we felt, that we would go with the majority decision.

Just realized I've had some long responses today. 3 more finals left (at least the "easier" ones) and my brain has just checked out.
 
I was wondering if anyone knew of any good churches around the area. I am Catholic but more than willing to go to any denomination church if it is good.

You passed a Catholic church on the way to my house (on SR 70, between Lecom and my neighborhood)-- Our Lady of the Angels. Sacred Heart and St. Joseph's are in downtown Bradenton.
 
nlax is a pimp... there's no denying it anymore.

Good luck on your exam tomorrow morning!
 
.... is it possible that two groups could go through the first two years with very different background and knowledge base?? if one group thought certain things were important but another group didnt?? or are the essentials pretty much covered no matter what?? also, what if you and your group don't agree on what is "important?" thanks!!!

You have to understand that you won't cover everything in every book. COMLEX won't either. The important concepts are brought up several times over your two years and it's your job to learn them in the best way possible. There are some issues that your group won't pick to be tested on because the majority of the group is strong in that area. You may have to make that a personal issue to study if you feel weak in it.

I will give you one hint, though. If you are looking at good grades, pick as many issues as you can get away with-- the more, the better. What will happen is that you don't have the time to learn the little nit-picky crap. Instead, you'll have to focus on the "big picture" things. Those things are what you need to know and understand in the long run. I've had groups that likes to pick as few issues as possible and you'll get tested on lots of minutia that way that you really don't need to know in the long run. COMLEX condenses two years of medical school into 400 questions. Get a grasp of the "big picture" issues and you'll do really well. BTW, your PBL tests will be harder than COMLEX will.

The important thing in your groups is to take the time to pick "reading" issues at every meeting-- so that everyone is on the same page. If you find a good chapter later, then email the rest of the group with it before the next meeting. Only pick "testing" issues from what you all read. If you start picking "testing" issues when the case is over-- issues that everyone hasn't read-- then you will quickly fall far behind. Remember, too, that you will not pick every issue that you read as a "test" issue-- just pick what is germane. There's a lot of negotiation in picking testimg issues sometimes, but that's what life is really like anyway, isn't it?
 
nlax is a pimp... there's no denying it anymore.

Good luck on your exam tomorrow morning!

no, nlax is a great tiger and all...but scpod is the pimp...those squirels in his avi are his top priced ******.....take a look at them...you know you want some, don't ya? They specialize in....nut cracking:laugh:

ok, now I am going to get banned for sexually explicit content...but if so it was worth it, I am cracking myself up right now with my 7th grade humor
 
no, nlax is a great tiger and all...but scpod is the pimp...those squirels in his avi are his top priced ******.....take a look at them...you know you want some, don't ya? They specialize in....nut cracking:laugh:

ok, now I am going to get banned for sexually explicit content...but if so it was worth it, I am cracking myself up right now with my 7th grade humor

... it may be 7th grade humor, but I lol'd. It was clever. You get a point for that one.

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You have to understand that you won't cover everything in every book. COMLEX won't either. The important concepts are brought up several times over your two years and it's your job to learn them in the best way possible. There are some issues that your group won't pick to be tested on because the majority of the group is strong in that area. You may have to make that a personal issue to study if you feel weak in it.

I will give you one hint, though. If you are looking at good grades, pick as many issues as you can get away with-- the more, the better. What will happen is that you don't have the time to learn the little nit-picky crap. Instead, you'll have to focus on the "big picture" things. Those things are what you need to know and understand in the long run. I've had groups that likes to pick as few issues as possible and you'll get tested on lots of minutia that way that you really don't need to know in the long run. COMLEX condenses two years of medical school into 400 questions. Get a grasp of the "big picture" issues and you'll do really well. BTW, your PBL tests will be harder than COMLEX will.

The important thing in your groups is to take the time to pick "reading" issues at every meeting-- so that everyone is on the same page. If you find a good chapter later, then email the rest of the group with it before the next meeting. Only pick "testing" issues from what you all read. If you start picking "testing" issues when the case is over-- issues that everyone hasn't read-- then you will quickly fall far behind. Remember, too, that you will not pick every issue that you read as a "test" issue-- just pick what is germane. There's a lot of negotiation in picking testimg issues sometimes, but that's what life is really like anyway, isn't it?

thanks for the good advice. you kinda touched on another question i thought of.....what is the grading system like? is it just pass/fail? i cant imagine their being class rankings or anything like that. are you compared with the people in your pbl group and then receive a letter grade based on how you do compared to the people in your group? or how does it work exacty.

i vaguely remember reading a post a while back that said that comlex pass rate is pretty high at lecom-b and that the PBL prepares pretty well for the test as far as style and approach to learning adn what not (assuming you put in the work)...is this true or did i make that up?
 
thanks for the good advice. you kinda touched on another question i thought of.....what is the grading system like? is it just pass/fail? i cant imagine their being class rankings or anything like that. are you compared with the people in your pbl group and then receive a letter grade based on how you do compared to the people in your group? or how does it work exacty.

i vaguely remember reading a post a while back that said that comlex pass rate is pretty high at lecom-b and that the PBL prepares pretty well for the test as far as style and approach to learning adn what not (assuming you put in the work)...is this true or did i make that up?

No, it's A,B,C or F....and your class rank is based on your numerical score. Even pass/fail systems rank you numerically-- they just don't post the actual scores to your records. As for rank, your dean's letter will only indicate if you are in the top three quartiles. They won't mention anything if you are in the bottom quartile.

PBL prepares you very well for COMLEX because you learn basic sciences in a clinical format-- the same way COMLEX tests them.

Your group changes each semester and is based on your previous grades. It will include some top scorers, some middle scorers, and some lower scorers. Typically, you will have 4 men and 4 women. They do a pretty good job of evening the groups out. As for personalities....well, they don't just put people together who are alike. You generally have all kinds. ome groups you'll love; others....you might just get used to after a while 🙂.
 
To those who got waitlisted, when you called and accepted the waitlist position, did you receive an e-mail confirmation? I didn't, and now I'm worried and growing freaked out over the possibility that maybe my situation with the waitlist was lost and I'm not on it?????? Maybe I'm just freaking out now months later because time is coming more and more to a close and I have yet to hear back!
 
To those who got waitlisted, when you called and accepted the waitlist position, did you receive an e-mail confirmation? I didn't, and now I'm worried and growing freaked out over the possibility that maybe my situation with the waitlist was lost and I'm not on it?????? Maybe I'm just freaking out now months later because time is coming more and more to a close and I have yet to hear back!

When I was waitlisted at LECOM-E, I never heard back from them when I sent in my letter to accept the spot on the waitlist, and I didn't hear back from them when I removed myself from the waitlist either. I don't know if Bradenton is the same, but I would think they are similar.

Best bet is to call them. You can also see if you are ranked yet or where you stand. Good luck!
 
I was wondering if anyone knew of any good churches around the area. I am Catholic but more than willing to go to any denomination church if it is good. Feel free to pm or email me if you dont feel comfortable discussing this on the forum

thanks kiddos

Wow, from church posts to nut cracking jokes....

There was a good site that I found that was a church finder for the Bradenton/Lakewood Ranch area. Of course I can't find it right now, but I'll post it when I do. (I had it bookmarked on my old computer, I just need to figure out how to get to the favorites on the backup)
 
I was wondering if anyone knew of any good churches around the area. I am Catholic but more than willing to go to any denomination church if it is good. Feel free to pm or email me if you dont feel comfortable discussing this on the forum

thanks kiddos

http://www.dioceseofvenice.org/

Laura and I drove around and looked at alot of the Catholic churches while we were down there over Xmas. We really liked the two near Lakewood Ranch...I have some bad pictures of the outside that I'll email you later...I'm in Hatteras right now...partying after graduation...:hardy:
 
Hey whats that website someone on here gave to compare laptops? I tried looking through the old pages but gave up after about 10 min. Thanks.
 
I was wondering if anyone knew of any good churches around the area. I am Catholic but more than willing to go to any denomination church if it is good. Feel free to pm or email me if you dont feel comfortable discussing this on the forum

thanks kiddos

my family has been going to Siesta Key for Tgiving for more than twenty years (which is a funny coincidence since I'm from Va and knew nothing about the school until this year). I was raised Catholic and we used to attend a church there on Siesta w/ this real fire and brimstone preacher. quite a character. It was always funny to be in this beautiful place on vacation as a kid and to walk into church and just get blasted about my sinning ways. He was older and this was a long time ago, so you probably don't have to worry about him (though it was pretty entertaining). Hope this anecdote was helpful to you. 😴
 
For the waitlist... I never got an email to confirm either although I did get something a couple weeks later saying there has been no change in my status. I've emailed a couple of times since then but have received no responses. It seems as though if you are ranked on the list or already accepted it isn't as difficult to reach the admissions staff than if you are just a random on the alternate list- just my opinion. Best of luck to all of us alternate-listers out there :luck:
 
edit: lol My paranoia got the best of me earlier today.
 
LauraDO, I am driving down from Tn the 5th of July I don't know if I will be settled by the end of the weekend but I am totally up for doing something that next week! I would love to meet some of you guys before school starts! After my family leaves July 15th (the day before my birthday July 16th!) I will be all alone for the first time in my life and I am a very extraverted person so I will not handle that well! =)
 
LauraDO, I am driving down from Tn the 5th of July I don't know if I will be settled by the end of the weekend but I am totally up for doing something that next week! I would love to meet some of you guys before school starts! After my family leaves July 15th (the day before my birthday July 16th!) I will be all alone for the first time in my life and I am a very extraverted person so I will not handle that well! =)

Yo man! If you're ever on AIM you can send an email to BrewCrewLumas and chat with a group of us LECOM-B guys and gals. We're all extroverted as well, so you'd fight right in.

Can't wait to meet you!
 
LauraDO, I am driving down from Tn the 5th of July I don't know if I will be settled by the end of the weekend but I am totally up for doing something that next week! I would love to meet some of you guys before school starts! After my family leaves July 15th (the day before my birthday July 16th!) I will be all alone for the first time in my life and I am a very extraverted person so I will not handle that well! =)

ahh...you will be fine...pm me your info as time gets closer and we can get in touch with each other
 
I'm just bored and procrastinating at my job so I've decided to bump this thread.. it deserves to be at the top of the thread list anyways.

Hi everyone that's online!
 
I'm just bored and procrastinating at my job so I've decided to bump this thread.. it deserves to be at the top of the thread list anyways.

Hi everyone that's online!

Get to work mister! I can't talk though--- I have so many pages to type for a report that's due, it's rediculous. Yet, here I am. 😀

Oh! And I bought some books from an upper classwoman yesterday, and OMG, I posted on another thread earlier how I just stared at the stack of books. I started to freak... 😱 My husband wasn't sure what to think, I was just on edge. Finally he asked me what was up, I told him it's going to be a long road. I just instantly felt overwhelmed and I haven't even started reading. I am completely siked, but it really is very intimidating...
 
🙄 Yes, we must improve on this when school starts!! How is everything with the house going? Any news yet?
 
#3 today! Oh, the suspense! 😉

Wow Amanda, I hope you are notified soon of your acceptance, at this stage of the game I have to believe your odds are very good. Good luck!
 
Amanda.. get excited. I know one guy that had an acceptance in hand just got accepted to another school and will be going there. That's another spot open for you. You're almost there!
 
🙄 Yes, we must improve on this when school starts!! How is everything with the house going? Any news yet?

Yes, lots of my study habbits will change this fall!!

Nothing with the house, and I'm sort of freaking out about it. We decided to rent for a year out there, we will be out there July 1! However, I'm not quite sure how to afford our current mortgage and rent in FL. Don't know if there is some special financial aid that I can get until we sell our house.

#3 today! Oh, the suspense! 😉

Amanda!! Very exciting to see the waitlist move so fast for you! Hope that you get your official in soon, and others on here that are waiting!
 
You know what would suck balls? Being the #1 guy left on the alternate list and barely being left out.
 
You know what would suck balls? Being the #1 guy left on the alternate list and barely being left out.

...and then somebody drops out at lunch on first day of orientation. That happened last year, right?
 
As do I. I have been known to post in pre-dental even.
 
Hey nlax.. congrats on finishing your finals, man! Well, I guess you have one tomorrow, but I would think that's a bit less stress than you other ones. What are you doing this summer?
 
You know what would suck balls? Being the #1 guy left on the alternate list and barely being left out.

I know who that was from last year... and yes it did suck... whatever 🙂D)-- can't repeat TT w/out blushing... But, the person did get an automatic seat for this year and is enjoying the year off before the madness... can't wait to see him/her!!

Amanda, not likely to be you, there's way to much time before school starts and it looks like you're in there. 👍

Kate-- is renting up there an option for u guys?
 
Haha congrats! How'd the diagnostic go?
 
Haha congrats! How'd the diagnostic go?

It went...... By this point I really don't think anyone really cared or stressed out that much, I know I didn't.

It was tough. Seemed to be a good amount of Neuro on it, and some older Pharm calculation stuff that I had just totally forgotten.

Thursday I was pretty happy/excited about being done after our last OMM practical, this morning sitting through a 200 question "exam" took a little of that energy away.
 
I know who that was from last year... and yes it did suck... whatever 🙂D)-- can't repeat TT w/out blushing... But, the person did get an automatic seat for this year and is enjoying the year off before the madness... can't wait to see him/her!!

Amanda, not likely to be you, there's way to much time before school starts and it looks like you're in there. 👍

Kate-- is renting up there an option for u guys?

Now that person is just ready to kick some a$$ when she gets there this year, right? 👍
 
It went...... By this point I really don't think anyone really cared or stressed out that much, I know I didn't.

It was tough. Seemed to be a good amount of Neuro on it, and some older Pharm calculation stuff that I had just totally forgotten.

Thursday I was pretty happy/excited about being done after our last OMM practical, this morning sitting through a 200 question "exam" took a little of that energy away.

Yea, that's what I'm hearing from everyone. Well congrats on being done. Have some fun and get some sleep. I'm sure you deserve it 😀
 
So it's official! I got the call today. I'm in!!!! Whoo hoo Class of 2012!!! 😀
 
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