Let's bash Johns Hopkins UG

[nets445]

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Anyone else feel like this place just sucks up your money and hands you a poor (<3.5 gpa) in return for all your hard work?

EDIT/UPDATE after 2 years: Just wanted to give a quick update:
I GOT INTO UNC MED!! MY IN STATE SCHOOL!

I'm grateful for what JHU has done for me. I ended up applying with a 3.55/34. I can't believe just 2 years ago, I was so depressed and frustrated with the college that I now love and am so thankful for.

 

[pfaction]

1. New member
2. Posts: #1
3. Bashing a top medical school

🙁 You won't get it from me, sir.

 

[Stumpyman]

1. New member
2. Posts: #1
3. Bashing a top medical school

🙁 You won't get it from me, sir.

Lol.


He is bashing the Undergrad school though

OP, any specific reason you're hating on JH Undergrad, besides that their coursework is "hard?" There are a lot of universities we could bash on if the only criteria was their toughness.

 

[plumazul]

Lol.


He is bashing the Undergrad school though

OP, any specific reason you're hating on JH Undergrad, besides that their coursework is "hard?" There are a lot of universities we could bash on if the only criteria was their toughness.

JH is totally honest about their policies. While visiting the campus we were told very clearly by one of the deans, that grade deflation was their policy. They seemed very proud of it. If the OP didn't like this, s/he should not have matriculated there.

 

[Finches]

Something I've always wondered about posts like these (e.g. trying to round-up the online community to agree with an idea), is what the OPs are trying to gain.

If he/she returned here to see replies that bash JHU, will the OP subsequently laugh, yell out, "Yes! The world agree with me!", and then do a fist-pump?

 

[kpcrew]

sounds like you earned what you got

 

[Goblue89]

While I agree this thread is pointless, out of curiosity, what is the avg letter grade the JH curves to?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Unless you're attending the Peabody Conservatory of Music at JHU then you're probably attending the wrong school. End of story, school costs too much, while it itself is in a decent area of Baltimore it cannot be entered without passing through 10 blocks of projects and ghettos, and finally it's incredibly far from what can be considered the only habitable or entertaining place in Baltimore the Inner Harbor ( I.e safe, well lit, and good food).
Overall you couldn't pay me to go to JHU for undergraduate.

Also for people applying to JHU without ever being in Baltimore, all of these problems I mentioned above are even further compounded as JHUSOM is in an even worse part of town.

 

[crmellon]

I'm almost certain your GPA at JH will carry a lot more weight than a high GPA at an unknown or state school.
Unless it's really bad.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Unless you're attending the Peabody Conservatory of Music at JHU then you're probably attending the wrong school. End of story, school costs too much, while it itself is in a decent area of Baltimore it cannot be entered without passing through 10 blocks of projects and ghettos, and finally it's incredibly far from what can be considered the only habitable or entertaining place in Baltimore the Inner Harbor ( I.e safe, well lit, and good food).
Overall you couldn't pay me to go to JHU for undergraduate.

Also for people applying to JHU without ever being in Baltimore, all of these problems I mentioned above are even further compounded as JHUSOM is in an even worse part of town.

You're doing it very wrong if you think the inner harbor is the only entertaining or habitable part of Baltimore.

 

[Druggernaut]

Anyone else feel like this place just sucks up your money and hands you a poor (<3.5 gpa) in return for all your hard work?

Grade inflation is part of the reason that a college degree is increasingly meaningless. Props to them for standing against that trend, even though it sucks for their students.

I'm almost certain your GPA at JH will carry a lot more weight than a high GPA at an unknown or state school.
Unless it's really bad.

The consensus is that it doesn't, unless the difference is pretty small.

 

[sirenomelia]

LOL Hopkins is one of the premier non-Ivy private schools that really is elite and not wannabe

 

[nets445]

Lol.


He is bashing the Undergrad school though

OP, any specific reason you're hating on JH Undergrad, besides that their coursework is "hard?" There are a lot of universities we could bash on if the only criteria was their toughness.

I created the thread out of frustration after getting back a bad grade on a test. I go here and it's miserable. Definitely one of the worst decisions I've made my entire life.

 

[nets445]

JH is totally honest about their policies. While visiting the campus we were told very clearly by one of the deans, that grade deflation was their policy. They seemed very proud of it. If the OP didn't like this, s/he should not have matriculated there.

This is not true. They don't tell you anything but how nice it is here (luring you into the trap).

 

[nets445]

While I agree this thread is pointless, out of curiosity, what is the avg letter grade the JH curves to?

C+/B- in most science/premed classes and B in most other classes.

 

[synthmonsterjax]

C+/B- in most science/premed classes and B in most other classes.

That's pretty normal? Same as my state school?

 

[candav]

I am sure admissions committees are aware of JHU's grading policies (given how many JHU pre-meds apply each year) and review your application with this in mind. There is no underrepresentation of JHU undergrads in medical school.

 

[kpcrew]

One of the worst decisions of your entire life was creating an account in a forum dedicated to medical school applications to post an unrelated thread encouraging others to bash your undergraduate university. Then you wonder why you cannot garner any sympathy for your whining and complaining about a grade that you probably deserved.

C+/B- in most science/premed classes and B in most other classes.

that sounds normal and it's better than many schools

 

[nets445]

That's pretty normal? Same as my state school?

In addition to that, there's a bunch of postbaccalureates (w/e u call them) that flock the premed classes and all end up screwing the averages since they all get high scores since they're like 25 years old.

 

[nets445]

One of the worst decisions of your entire life was creating an account in a forum dedicated to medical school applications to post an unrelated thread encouraging others to bash your undergraduate university. Then you wonder why you cannot garner any sympathy for your whining and complaining about a grade that you probably deserved.



that sounds normal and it's better than many schools

I studied very hard for my test and still ended up doing poorly. This is the n'th time this has happened.

 

[Barcu]

In addition to that, there's a bunch of postbaccalureates (w/e u call them) that flock the premed classes and all end up screwing the averages since they all get high scores since they're like 25 years old.

Age doesn't determine intelligence and grades, but maturity does.

Wonder why you're struggling?

 

[plumazul]

I studied very hard for my test and still ended up doing poorly. This is the n'th time this has happened.

You need to bump it up a few notches. Stop wasting time here and hit the books.

 

[synthmonsterjax]

I studied very hard for my test and still ended up doing poorly. This is the n'th time this has happened.

That has nothing to do with Hopkins. "Studying hard" means nothing. Everybody thinks they studied hard and went to the ends of the earth and back before a test. Everybody does not have a 4.0. Why do you assume your self-perception about your abilities must correlate with reality? Suck it up, work even harder, and make a better attempt. If it's the "curve's fault," then you're going to have work harder than everyone else to do well--something's that common at all schools.

 

[theseeker4]

In addition to that, there's a bunch of postbaccalureates (w/e u call them) that flock the premed classes and all end up screwing the averages since they all get high scores since they're like 25 years old.

LOL, you think someone who is older is automatically smarter than the average college student? If anything, someone returning to school after being out of the classroom for years is at a disadvantage, not an advantage, compared to the student who has never done anything other than attend school. What they have is the maturity and self discipline to do what they need to do to get the grade they need to get.

Do you recognize you might be lacking in this regard, if you consistently perform below the level of these post-bac students? If so, stop posting threads and adjust your habits. If not, feel free to continue to blame a school for your personal performance.

 

[Goblue89]

That's pretty normal? Same as my state school?

Agreed, i dont think you are going to get any sympathy if thats what you are looking for...

 

[searun]

Good for Hopkins. There is too much molly coddling of undergraduates these days. Way to be contrarian, Hopkins. Keep at it.

 

[tantacles]

C+/B- in most science/premed classes and B in most other classes.

My school was the same.

I created the thread out of frustration after getting back a bad grade on a test. I go here and it's miserable. Definitely one of the worst decisions I've made my entire life.

Uh, transfer. What the **** is your problem, dude? Leave the school and transfer.

 

[kexy]

That's pretty normal? Same as my state school?

To be fair, just because the average is the same, we have no clue how hard it is to get an A. At my school, the average is set to a C+, but cutoffs are set so that 10-15% of the students get As and A-s. Maybe at JHU, the average is a C+ and cutoffs are set so that only 2-5% of the class gets As.

But yeah, OP, transfer. It's impossible to do well when you're miserable.

 

[fastfingers]

i love the covered grade system, makes it impossible to transfer.

 

[zwitterion34]

If I remember correctly, Johns Hopkins has a policy where your first semester grades are not counted 👍

 

[CanadianPremed]

,.,.,.,.,.,.,.

 

[crmellon]

Thread should be titled "Lets bash OP for attending John Hopkins"

Your decision of going there for UG, so now you're going to have to pay for it. 👎

Should've attended a smaller institution or an easier one if you wanted good grades. 👍

Hindsight is always 20/20. Though, I agree to an extent, it isn't like the OP is helpless in life, he could easily transfer.

 

[sliceofbread136]

I had a choice between UT and JHU. UT ftw. They basically throw a 4.0 at you.

 

[NickNaylor]

One of my good friends went to undergrad at Hopkins. My impression is that she didn't like it and that the institution has an absolutely terrible culture that breeds neuroticism. Perhaps that was just her experience, but I doubt it. The whole hypercompetitive, hyperachieving culture seems to be an aspect of the entire Hopkins educational system based on what I've seen.

 

[kautionwirez]

]One of the worst decisions of your entire life was creating an account in a forum dedicated to medical school applications to post an unrelated thread encouraging others to bash your undergraduate university. Then you wonder why you cannot garner any sympathy for your whining and complaining about a grade that you probably deserved.[/B]



that sounds normal and it's better than many schools

👍

 

[Hemorrage]

The OP does have a point in some ways. Hopkins isn't a school where you can easily get a B+ or A- in a class. One of my good friends went there and he currently has a 3.0, he tells me he studies for weeks for an exam. Mind you, he's not ******ed either. He got a 40k scholarship to attend JHU

 

[shamwowzer]

LOL, you think someone who is older is automatically smarter than the average college student? If anything, someone returning to school after being out of the classroom for years is at a disadvantage, not an advantage, compared to the student who has never done anything other than attend school. What they have is the maturity and self discipline to do what they need to do to get the grade they need to get.

Do you recognize you might be lacking in this regard, if you consistently perform below the level of these post-bac students? If so, stop posting threads and adjust your habits. If not, feel free to continue to blame a school for your personal performance.

If the person(s) taking the class and doing a postbach takes a light course load it probably would be difficult to match their study time. I experienced that situation in biochem and it really sucked to say the least..

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[Knocked Up]

MCAT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopkin's GPA (you are fine considering you go to Hopkins and don't fail out)

Rock the MCAT and you are good to go 😎

 

[Dwan]

Doesn't Hopkins boast a very high acceptance rate despite low gpa?
http://web.jhu.edu/prepro/health/admissions_stats.html
It says here that 3.3+ gpa = 88% admissions rate; that's better than the rates at my school even controlling for a 3.6-7+ gpa.

 

[Hemorrage]

Doesn't Hopkins boast a very high acceptance rate despite low gpa?
http://web.jhu.edu/prepro/health/admissions_stats.html
It says here that 3.3+ gpa = 88% admissions rate; that's better than the rates at my school even controlling for a 3.6-7+ gpa.

Well that makes sense because most admissions committees would realize somethings off when all JHU applicants have a crappy GPA. I bet they do really well on the MCAT

 

[nets445]

LOL, you think someone who is older is automatically smarter than the average college student? If anything, someone returning to school after being out of the classroom for years is at a disadvantage, not an advantage, compared to the student who has never done anything other than attend school. What they have is the maturity and self discipline to do what they need to do to get the grade they need to get.

Do you recognize you might be lacking in this regard, if you consistently perform below the level of these post-bac students? If so, stop posting threads and adjust your habits. If not, feel free to continue to blame a school for your personal performance.

The postbacs have less to worry about because they are only taking a 2-3 course courseload. Also, the fact that they are 25 years old (sometimes older) means that they're more mature than people who are 18-20 years old and they have more experiences with tests/difficult situations and are better able to handle them. This pits undergrads at a big disadvantage. There should be a separate curve for postbacs or the professors should not consider postbac scores when calculating the cutoff lines.

 

[crmellon]

The postbacs have less to worry about because they are only taking a 2-3 course courseload. Also, the fact that they are 25 years old (sometimes older) means that they're more mature than people who are 18-20 years old and they have more experiences with tests/difficult situations and are better able to handle them. This pits undergrads at a big disadvantage. There should be a separate curve for postbacs or the professors should not consider postbac scores when calculating the cutoff lines.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Most post-bacs have families, kids, jobs and outside responsibilites that 99% of undergrads don't even have to worry about.

 

[theseeker4]

The postbacs have less to worry about because they are only taking a 2-3 course courseload. Also, the fact that they are 25 years old (sometimes older) means that they're more mature than people who are 18-20 years old and they have more experiences with tests/difficult situations and are better able to handle them. This pits undergrads at a big disadvantage. There should be a separate curve for postbacs or the professors should not consider postbac scores when calculating the cutoff lines.

Yeah, you really don't have a clue, do you? Well, it is easier to blame everyone else for your own problems than take responsibility, so carry on. By the way, maturity is something you can willingly develop by, you know, choosing to act more mature. Try it, you might surprise yourself 🙂.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Most post-bacs have families, kids, jobs and outside responsibilites that 99% of undergrads don't even have to worry about.

Exactly.

 

[crmellon]

Yeah, you really don't have a clue, do you? Well, it is easier to blame everyone else for your own problems than take responsibility, so carry on. By the way, maturity is something you can willingly develop by, you know, choosing to act more mature. Try it, you might surprise yourself 🙂.

I want to be emphatic to struggling students, but it's really hard when they place the blame elsewhere. With that attitude, I doubt anyone can succeed anywhere, JHU or not.

 

[CeeEstee0]

Uh, transfer. What the **** is your problem, dude? Leave the school and transfer.

Can't believe no one has +1ed this yet.

You should like your School, or at least not hate it. If you had the stats to get into Hopkins, chances are you can transfer to a comparable institution.

My advice: Run fast, run far.

 

[nets445]

Can't believe no one has +1ed this yet.

You should like your School, or at least not hate it. If you had the stats to get into Hopkins, chances are you can transfer to a comparable institution.

My advice: Run fast, run far.

transferring does not look good when applying to medical schools though..

 

[SunsFun]

The postbacs have less to worry about because they are only taking a 2-3 course courseload. Also, the fact that they are 25 years old (sometimes older) means that they're more mature than people who are 18-20 years old and they have more experiences with tests/difficult situations and are better able to handle them. This pits undergrads at a big disadvantage. There should be a separate curve for postbacs or the professors should not consider postbac scores when calculating the cutoff lines.

I will actually go against the consensus here and agree with you somewhat OP. As a post-bac I am a much better student than I have ever been in the undergrad, and I wasn't lazy or a party animal, I studied a lot. I do have a full-time job and all the responsibilities etc but I feel like I am better able to understand the material, follow deadlines and instructions, and in general understand stuff easier.

Also, to me the biggest no-no about JH would be living in Baltimore.

 

[tantacles]

transferring does not look good when applying to medical schools though..

Wrong! They don't care!

 

[CeeEstee0]

transferring does not look good when applying to medical schools though..

Provided you haven't been expelled, or had any action taken against you, I don't think this is true.

 

[deleted357625]

sounds like you earned what you got