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Why Pitt as a safety? I thought Pitt was top tier
I would never call Pitt a safety. But the OP has good numbers and is currently doing research, so it would be one place to consider.
Why Pitt as a safety? I thought Pitt was top tier
Thanks in advance for everyone's help.
I'd suggest you add Baylor and UTSW. Yes, the both strongly favor Texans, but they'd love your MCAT score and you'd love the tiny tuition and the TexMex food. Plus easy cheap flights back to CA.
And a few more upper-mid tier schools if you're feeling nervous and can spare the cash. With a 37 MCAT, I wouldn't hit the 'obvious safeties' because they'll know it.
What do you base this on? I would think that the process is selective enough that even high stat applicants might go to "safety" schools.
I was replying to the second part of your post!My rationale for adding the top TX schools is (speculating) that for the few OOS acceptances they're allowed to give out, they will be looking for applicants who will bring their MCAT averages up and/or bring something unique to the class. A 37 is a great score that's above just about any school's average. OOS students will choose to go there because tuition is SO CHEAP and the schools are really, really good -- no nobody's safety.
My rationale for adding the top TX schools is (speculating) that for the few OOS acceptances they're allowed to give out, they will be looking for applicants who will bring their MCAT averages up and/or bring something unique to the class. A 37 is a great score that's above just about any school's average. OOS students will choose to go there because tuition is SO CHEAP and the schools are really, really good -- no nobody's safety.
I was replying to the second part of your post!
1. Overwhelmed by the amount of effort everyone's giving in their responses, thank you guys all so much. I actually feel like I'm making somewhat informed decisions about which schools to add which is making me feel better.
2. To add to the relief, I actually got my first interview invite last night! To UCSF!! One of my reach schools (and my top choice). I'm still going to add at least two of the schools discussed above, but at least now I don't have to carry around that feeling of dread/panic that comes with having 0 II.
Great news - Yay! Congratulations and knock 'em dead.
You've hit the 'Interview Attire' thread, right?
1. Overwhelmed by the amount of effort everyone's giving in their responses, thank you guys all so much. I actually feel like I'm making somewhat informed decisions about which schools to add which is making me feel better.
2. To add to the relief, I actually got my first interview invite last night! To UCSF!! One of my reach schools (and my top choice). I'm still going to add at least two of the schools discussed above, but at least now I don't have to carry around that feeling of dread/panic that comes with having 0 II.
Ah - that part. OK, by the "obvious safeties" I mean the private schools with lower MCAT averages that everyone refers to on SDN for lower-stat applicants: Rosy Franklin, Drexel, Commonwealth. They get a TON of applicants, and have a reasonable expectation that they will not be the top choice school for an applicant with a high MCAT and otherwise good qualifications. They'll assume they're his/her safety school. Therefore, if they extend an interview invitation, they are wasting one of their available interview slots on an applicant who is either:
Either way, not a win.
- likely to choose a higher-ranked school, or
- rejected by all of the other schools that interviewed him/her.
With regards to the Philly schools, Temple is in a dodgy part of the city (like really sketchy)
"And a few more upper-mid tier schools if you're feeling nervous and can spare the cash. With a 37 MCAT, I wouldn't hit the 'obvious safeties' because they'll know it."
Ah - that part. OK, by the "obvious safeties" I mean the private schools with lower MCAT averages that everyone refers to on SDN for lower-stat applicants: Rosy Franklin, Drexel, Commonwealth. They get a TON of applicants, and have a reasonable expectation that they will not be the top choice school for an applicant with a high MCAT and otherwise good qualifications. They'll assume they're his/her safety school. Therefore, if they extend an interview invitation, they are wasting one of their available interview slots on an applicant who is either:
Either way, not a win.
- likely to choose a higher-ranked school, or
- rejected by all of the other schools that interviewed him/her.
Congrats! With any luck you will get into UCSF or one of the other UCs, and this will all be an unpleasant memory. In the meantime, because I am an admissions hound, I crunched the following for some of the schools mentioned earlier (all OOS for most recent year reported):
Drexel
13,356 applicants
907 interviews (6.8% of applicants)*
173 matriculated (19% of interviews)
George Washington
13,659 applicants
1093 interviews (8.0%)
166 matriculated (15.2%)
Chicago Medical School
9,779 applicants
431 interviews (4.4%)
128 matriculated (29.7%)
Tulane
8,733 applicants
456 interviews (5.2%)
166 matriculated (36.4%)
Wake Forest
7,218 applicants
418 interviews (5.8%)
88 matriculated (21.1%)
GPA (10th-90th)
Drexel: 3.36-3.92
GWU: 3.44-3.93
Chi Med: 3.33-3.94
Tulane: 3.27-3.90
Wake: 3.31-3.92
MCAT (10th-90th)
Drexel: 29-35
GWU: 27-35
Chi Med: 27-34
Tulane: 30-36
Wake: 30-35
Note that the schools with lower interview percentages have higher proportions of interviewees matriculate. This reflects the relative draw of the schools and the sophistication of their screening. Your GPA is on the good side of the 10-90 distribution for all of these schools. As Grapes said, you may or may not be above the 90th percentile for their MCATs, depending on how they deal with your retake. Hence, whether or not you apply to any of them, none would be unreasonable.
*Getting a little close to 7%, I would say.
Hmm what about in the case of an applicant that would otherwise be a candidate for top tier schools save for one aspect of their app? For example an applicant with a 37 MCAT and good experiences but 3.5 GPA or a candidate with a 3.9 GPA and great experiences but a 30 MCAT. Would these candidates get an interview at "safety" schools?
Neither of those examples are exactly terrible.
You think they would both not given an interview by safeties then?
Quite the opposite. The means last cycle were a 28.6 MCAT and 3.55 cGPA for applicants. Someone who comes in with a 37/3.5 or 30/3.9 is in the top half of the pool to start with. If the rest of the application is reasonable and the person has a sane strategy for choosing schools, I would expect multiple interview offers.
FYI your numbers for CMS are wrong. From interviewing there this year:Congrats! With any luck you will get into UCSF or one of the other UCs, and this will all be an unpleasant memory. In the meantime, because I am an admissions hound, I crunched the following for some of the schools mentioned earlier (all OOS for most recent year reported):
Drexel
13,356 applicants
907 interviews (6.8% of applicants)*
173 matriculated (19% of interviews)
George Washington
13,659 applicants
1093 interviews (8.0%)
166 matriculated (15.2%)
Chicago Medical School
9,779 applicants
431 interviews (4.4%)
128 matriculated (29.7%)
Tulane
8,733 applicants
456 interviews (5.2%)
166 matriculated (36.4%)
Wake Forest
7,218 applicants
418 interviews (5.8%)
88 matriculated (21.1%)
GPA (10th-90th)
Drexel: 3.36-3.92
GWU: 3.44-3.93
Chi Med: 3.33-3.94
Tulane: 3.27-3.90
Wake: 3.31-3.92
MCAT (10th-90th)
Drexel: 29-35
GWU: 27-35
Chi Med: 27-34
Tulane: 30-36
Wake: 30-35
Note that the schools with lower interview percentages have higher proportions of interviewees matriculate. This reflects the relative draw of the schools and the sophistication of their screening. Your GPA is on the good side of the 10-90 distribution for all of these schools. As Grapes said, you may or may not be above the 90th percentile for their MCATs, depending on how they deal with your retake. Hence, whether or not you apply to any of them, none would be unreasonable.
*Getting a little close to 7%, I would say.
FYI your numbers for CMS are wrong. From interviewing there this year:
800-1000 interviews.
190 matriculate.
Probably 400 accepted.
For a young woman, it is a bad thing. You can get plenty of patient diversity in a big city without living in its sketchiest part.You say that like it's a bad thing. Dodgy/sketchy just means more interesting cases and more opportunities to get ones hands dirty.
Shes referring to getting filtered of safety schools for stats too high. The point is that they're in the top half of the pool.
The thing about interviewing numbers I've never gotten a clear answer on is are those MSAR numbers people who have been offered an interview or people who attended an interview?
For a young woman, it is a bad thing. You can get plenty of patient diversity in a big city without living in its sketchiest part.
What are you even saying? Location should absolutely be considered when applicants are weighing options. The OP wouldn't be making an informed decision to apply to Temple if she didn't know about the school's notoriously iffy location. Now you're spewing (offensive) nonsense because again, you think an important factor is irrelevant.Good point. Perhaps you should petition Temple med to become men-only for safety reasons.
What are you even saying?
It's helpful because the OP can only afford to apply to a couple more schools. If she knows right now that she doesn't want to live in the hood then she can make an informed decision to not apply there and invest in an application somewhere she'd actually consider attending.That your sniping on Temple's surroundings is not useful or helpful. Anyone who interviews at, and is accepted by, Temple med is capable of making an informed decision regarding the ups and downs of its location.
It's not a "diversity" issue, btw, it's an issue of choosing to get educated in an area of great neglect and need.
"We" aren't discriminating or making a decision here, OP is. I mentioned the location so OP is aware of it and can make an informed decision of whether or not to apply there.I mean there are a fair number of lower tier medical schools in less than desirable locations, if we start discriminating like that people's lists will start dwindling pretty fast.
GraphPad Prism is a life saver. Taking a biostats class right now and trying to learn R.
If we're going to help her make a list then we should give her all the information we know about each school.
rachiie01 said:and pretending that location is never an important factor for applicants is silly.
To be honest, you seem pretty removed from the application process.
1. Overwhelmed by the amount of effort everyone's giving in their responses, thank you guys all so much. I actually feel like I'm making somewhat informed decisions about which schools to add which is making me feel better.
2. To add to the relief, I actually got my first interview invite last night! To UCSF!! One of my reach schools (and my top choice). I'm still going to add at least two of the schools discussed above, but at least now I don't have to carry around that feeling of dread/panic that comes with having 0 II.
To take a break from all the bickering--I just wanted to congratulate you on your interview. That's freaking incredible! Good luck with the rest of your cycle, I'm sure you're going to kill it. Do continue to add schools though, it would still be a wise move at this point.
I mean there are a fair number of lower tier medical schools in less than desirable locations, if we start discriminating like that people's lists will start dwindling pretty fast. Off the top of my head, Temple, Drexel, Loyola, Rosalind, Rush, Quinnipac(yes I haven't heard good things about this area), Tulane(same as Quinnipac I've heard of repeated problems around this area from an MS2 I know there) just to name a few.
@Med Ed and @rachiie01, you have been two of the most helpful individuals on this thread, and it's much appreciated. At this point though, I think we all understand what each of you is saying, and going back and forth like this is probably not worth it.
Look, the internet was created to decentralize vital military information in case of global warfare, and to allow strangers to have petty arguments. Step aside.