Loose state residency without relocating?

[Twitch]

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Is it possible to lose your state residency without relocating to another state? Before you answer, consider the following:

Say you were offered a consulting job which requires you to fly out to a client location anywhere in the country Monday morning and fly back home Thursday/Friday. The state you fly to has state income tax and as a result you pay taxes for income earned at that state.

Could you lose your residency (for med school admission purposes) at the state you live?

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

Is it possible to loose your state residency without relocating to another state?

i don't think so, but it might be possible to lose your state residency without relocating to another state. 😉

 

[MasterMD]

i don't think so, but it might be possible to lose your state residency without relocating to another state. 😉

i was SOOOOO tempted... 😛

 

[Twitch]

i don't think so, but it might be possible to lose your state residency without relocating to another state. 😉

I don't follow 😕

 

[FenderHM]

If your residency is loose you'd better tighten it up!!! sorry couldnt resist I'm a jerk I know

 

[Twitch]

Well it won't let me change the thread title so I guess I can't lose the loose because the goosey moose has gone kaboose

😳 😀

Back to the question at hand - does any one know?

 

[pokeytu]

i believe you can. Any time I have heard of anyone proving instate status they want to see that you filed your tax returns in that state. Some schools may be more linient but in LA, FL, SC, and AL you need to show a tax return proving you pay taxes in that state.

 

[Em1]

I was in a similar situation. I've lived in GA for the past 4 years attending Ga Tech, but my parents live in VA and claimed me as a dependent until this year (2005 is the last year they'll claim me).

I've worked in the state of GA and had GA taxes withheld. However, since I'm still technically a VA resident, I filed a GA non-resident tax return, which refunded me all the money I paid to GA, since I'm not a resident and therefore didn't owe them anything.

I then filed a tax return to VA listing ALL of my income (including the income made in GA). I ended up not having to pay VA anything b/c I didn't make enough, but had I made more I would have paid the state taxes to VA.

So you'll have taxes withheld in the state(s) you work in, but end up PAYING taxes only to your state of residence. This should keep you clear in terms of keeping your residency.

 

[Twitch]

I was in a similar situation. I've lived in GA for the past 4 years attending Ga Tech, but my parents live in VA and claimed me as a dependent until this year (2005 is the last year they'll claim me).

I've worked in the state of GA and had GA taxes withheld. However, since I'm still technically a VA resident, I filed a GA non-resident tax return, which refunded me all the money I paid to GA, since I'm not a resident and therefore didn't owe them anything.

I then filed a tax return to VA listing ALL of my income (including the income made in GA). I ended up not having to pay VA anything b/c I didn't make enough, but had I made more I would have paid the state taxes to VA.

So you'll have taxes withheld in the state(s) you work in, but end up PAYING taxes only to your state of residence. This should keep you clear in terms of keeping your residency.

Are you sure it works this way if the two states don't have a reciprocal agreement because one of the states has no state taxes? I worried about becoming stateless

Conversely, (and unethically?) if you got into a school in the other state you could claim instate tuition immediately (since you paid taxes in their state) even though you resided in another state (which has no state taxes). That sorta sounds like double dipping!

Does anyone else's head hurt reading this?

 

[nozzie]

Are you sure it works this way if the two states don't have a reciprocal agreement because one of the states has no state taxes? I worried about becoming stateless

Conversely, (and unethically?) if you got into a school in the other state you could claim instate tuition immediately (since you paid taxes in their state) even though you resided in another state (which has no state taxes). That sorta sounds like double dipping!

Does anyone else's head hurt reading this?

I posted this in another thread and don't know if it'll help you any but here goes:

I work in MD but lived in CA for most of my life and my parents are still there. Wanting to keep my CA residency, I called up the UCs to ask how I could do this. I was basically told that I should be fine as long as I pay CA taxes so that's what I did. Working in MD, I got taxes withheld in MD and so I filed taxes in MD as a non-resident. So for me, if I got into a state school in CA, then I would pay in-state tuition. If I got into a state school in MD, I would have to pay out-of-state tuition since I am not establishing residency here.

Other things they may consider in determining your residency (or so I've been told by the UCs): in what state do you have your primary residence, in what state are you registered to vote in, in what state do you have a license or identification card from, in what state do you have your primary bank account in?

You may want to check with your state school(s) to see what their requirements are.

 

[FenderHM]

Well it won't let me change the thread title so I guess I can't lose the loose because the goosey moose has gone kaboose

😳 😀

Back to the question at hand - does any one know?

hehe sorry actually you can change your thread title by editing your first post and changing the title..

but for real, state residency is a tricky thing, basically if you keep your car registered in your state of interest, have a driver's license from that state, register to vote in that state, pay taxes in state, and maintain a residence in that state, you will be a resident, even if you live/work sometimes in another state...

 

[Doctor Bagel]

hehe sorry actually you can change your thread title by editing your first post and changing the title..

but for real, state residency is a tricky thing, basically if you keep your car registered in your state of interest, have a driver's license from that state, register to vote in that state, pay taxes in state, and maintain a residence in that state, you will be a resident, even if you live/work sometimes in another state...

Yeah, that's generally true. Some states are jerks about it, but it's not the norm. I live in a city that is right on the border with another state. People who live in the other state (Washington) who work in Oregon are still Washington residents. The same is true for people who live in Oregon and work in Washington. Just make sure your tax filing, car registration, etc. match with the state you want to remain a resident of, and you should be okay.

 

[Non-TradTulsa]

i believe you can. Any time I have heard of anyone proving instate status they want to see that you filed your tax returns in that state. Some schools may be more linient but in LA, FL, SC, and AL you need to show a tax return proving you pay taxes in that state.

Doesn't matter that you filed an income tax return out-of-state because you earned money in that state - you also have to file an income tax return in your state of residency (and the out-of-state return should be marked "non-resident"). This gets highly complicated (I'm an old CPA who majored in tax in grad school) - most states are going to tax you on your world-wide income but they will give you credit for taxes paid to another state. So, even if you do file out-of-state, you still need to file that home-state income tax return.

But - questions about residency are impossible to answer accurately on SDN. As a common-law concept, whenever you choose a state to be your intended permanent home, that's your state of residency (right, exlawgrrl?). However, that's not how residency is determined for tuition purposes - which is sometimes determined at the state level, and sometimes by the individual school. The exact laws and tuition regulations are going to vary by every state - there are no general answers on the residency topic that can be accurate.

 

[ambrisco12]

What if you applied to be a resident of a different state but couldn't meet the requirements? Does that compromise your initial state's residency? While I was applying the second state put me on their in-state admissions pool (BEFORE I finished the application or demonstrated I met the requirements). Well, they sent me a letter saying I had to file as an independent in their state to be a resident. I failed to follow-up since I filed as a dependent in another state. But meantime I was on the in-state pool for two states. I am accepted to my REAL state school and am so afraid that I did something wrong or that the real state school will take my acceptance away or kick me out. But I wasn't even approved as an applicant of the other state, and I could never have been approved! Why, why did they put me in that pool...(which they actually did BEFORE I filled out the application, although I did end up beginning and never finished an application to change residency)

I don't know if I should call the school I am accepted to and come clean or if they will think I am nuts since I meet every requirement for their in-state status and never actually was approved as a resident of another state. But I feel guilty about this all the time and don't know what to do. I don't want to be expelled from med school or lose my degree if they find out! My parents think I am CRAZY and should relax and enjoy being accepted to med school. What do you guys think? Was I dishonest?


Edit: Oh, I was never accepted to the other school, I was just waitlisted. I have since withdrawn my application, although I didn't withdraw it right away. I sort of figured the school would figure out that I wasn't a resident and take me out (and maybe put me in the oos pool I hoped) but they never did. Please someone answer me, I don't want to call the school and make them suspicious (it says not to apply as a resident of multiple states, but should I have withdrawn from the other school before the one I was applying for was accepted? ), and also doubt that I really have "intent" to be in the state. On the other hand, I don't want to get expelled because of this after school begins. Do you think I have something to confess? Or am I being crazy? (no offense taken if I am)

 

[ambrisco12]

What if you applied to be a resident of a different state but couldn't meet the requirements? Does that compromise your initial state's residency? While I was applying the second state put me on their in-state admissions pool (BEFORE I finished the application or demonstrated I met the requirements). Well, they sent me a letter saying I had to file as an independent in their state to be a resident. I failed to follow-up since I filed as a dependent in another state. But meantime I was on the in-state pool for two states. I am accepted to my REAL state school and am so afraid that I did something wrong or that the real state school will take my acceptance away or kick me out. But I wasn't even approved as an applicant of the other state, and I could never have been approved! Why, why did they put me in that pool...(which they actually did BEFORE I filled out the application, although I did end up beginning and never finished an application to change residency)

I don't know if I should call the school I am accepted to and come clean or if they will think I am nuts since I meet every requirement for their in-state status and never actually was approved as a resident of another state. But I feel guilty about this all the time and don't know what to do. I don't want to be expelled from med school or lose my degree if they find out! My parents think I am CRAZY and should relax and enjoy being accepted to med school. What do you guys think? Was I dishonest?


Edit: Oh, I was never accepted to the other school, I was just waitlisted. I have since withdrawn my application, although I didn't withdraw it right away. I sort of figured the school would figure out that I wasn't a resident and take me out (and maybe put me in the oos pool I hoped) but they never did. Please someone answer me, I don't want to call the school and make them suspicious (it says not to apply as a resident of multiple states, but should I have withdrawn from the other school before the one I was applying for was accepted? ), and also doubt that I really have "intent" to be in the state. On the other hand, I don't want to get expelled because of this after school begins. Do you think I have something to confess? Or am I being crazy? (no offense taken if I am)

Somebody please answer me, I am going nuts. Honestly, everyone I have talked to has told me I am fine and that I don't need to bring it up with the adcom (and if I did, they would be like, what? why are you telling us this, two states have essentially told you you are a resident here) but I am worried, particularly about the fact that I didn't withdraw my application from the other state right away. I am seriously worried about this affecting my whole life (aka I never stop worrying like this). HELP!

 

[Twitch]

Somebody please answer me, I am going nuts. Honestly, everyone I have talked to has told me I am fine and that I don't need to bring it up with the adcom (and if I did, they would be like, what? why are you telling us this, two states have essentially told you you are a resident here) but I am worried, particularly about the fact that I didn't withdraw my application from the other state right away. I am seriously worried about this affecting my whole life (aka I never stop worrying like this). HELP!

Hey man - sorry you're going through this. Not sure if this helps but here is what I ended up doing. I spoke to my pre-med advisor and he gave me the contact info of the guy who is the authority on residency issues in my state. I was freaking out too. He told me to CHILL! Take a deep breath. It'll be alright.

It matters *who* you talk to more than the # of ppl. Make sure you get the OK from the guys in the know.

 

[vmc303]

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[ambrisco12]

Hey man - sorry you're going through this. Not sure if this helps but here is what I ended up doing. I spoke to my pre-med advisor and he gave me the contact info of the guy who is the authority on residency issues in my state. I was freaking out too. He told me to CHILL! Take a deep breath. It'll be alright.

It matters *who* you talk to more than the # of ppl. Make sure you get the OK from the guys in the know.

What was your situation? Everyone else says I should just relax, not call them since my application was already approved for residency (and the other state's wasn't). But maybe we have different situations...