MarWWel -- GAME THREAD

[samac]

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Samacs pls. Let him lurky lurk a bit before making his presence fully known. You still going after fluff today?

He’s reacting to stuff cubbie

No idea tbh

 

[cubsrule4e]

He’s reacting to stuff cubbie

No idea tbh

I know, thats what I meant. How are you feeling about him? He's been uncharacteristically agreeing with several of my comments, not sure if Im just doing an ok job or if theres something I should be concerned with.

 

[samac]

I know, thats what I meant. How are you feeling about him? He's been uncharacteristically agreeing with several of my comments, not sure if Im just doing an ok job or if theres something I should be concerned with.

I am concern.
Something just feels different about him. It’s not quite wolfy, I dunno.

 

[samac]

Also what does a Lone wolf do? Does it count for us for parity?

On re read
I don’t like this post either

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 who ya wolf readin

I have a busy day. I'll get my thoughts compiled later. Right now I'm looking the closest at True and Bob.

Would like to see more from genny though. Wheres gennys?

And obviously Breadrick.

Still unsure about Violet too.

 

[Truenamer]

I'm not sure how much of the fluff-reading is just her being new. It seems like a lot of the comments that are pinging people are just sort of... noobish?

 

[cubsrule4e]

On re read
I don’t like this post either

I can see how people are seeing it they way they are, but is not that a pretty standard question for a noob who hasnt encountered that mechanic before? I still get confused myself on how 3p affect the numbers sometimes.

 

[Truenamer]

I have a busy day. I'll get my thoughts compiled later. Right now I'm looking the closest at True and Bob.

Would like to see more from genny though. Wheres gennys?

And obviously Breadrick.

Still unsure about Violet too.

Deeply, deeply annoyed that I helped catch the one kind of wolf that doesn't get me any village cred

 

[Zenge142]

On re read
I don’t like this post either

I'm not sure how much of the fluff-reading is just her being new. It seems like a lot of the comments that are pinging people are just sort of... noobish?

True's interpretation is kind of the same thought I had about it. It could be this wild smoking gun, but more likely than not I feel like it's a noob comment misinterpreted.

 

[samac]

I can see how people are seeing it they way they are, but is not that a pretty standard question for a noob who hasnt encountered that mechanic before? I still get confused myself on how 3p affect the numbers sometimes.

No. She was a wolfy sidecar in Stardew.
I think it was a rojo.

 

[Zenge142]

Deeply, deeply annoyed that I helped catch the one kind of wolf that doesn't get me any village cred

What is your read on Sporty?

 

[samac]

Deeply, deeply annoyed that I helped catch the one kind of wolf that doesn't get me any village cred

The fact that you were making comments with 10 minutes to go about when he flipped village and a pack wouldn’t have known he was a wolf is a little sketchballs

 

[samac]

I’m sticking to it

Yeet fluff

 

[Zenge142]

I’m sticking to it

Yeet fluff

How did you feel about Fluff's fight with Barks?

 

[samac]

She also made the comment about asking about parity before AM or Zenge said it was 3P and I would expect a noob to assume a wolf is a win. I think there was TMI and it was a rojo. I don’t think I’m going to be able to be pulled away from this.

 

[samac]

Cause I don't know if I should be happy about or be like "ugh 3p doesn't matter anyway"

The comment about parity came before any discussion of 3P was discussed, so why did she assume it was a 3P of some sort?

 

[Truenamer]

Deeply, deeply annoyed that I helped catch the one kind of wolf that doesn't get me any village cred

Though actually, I'm going to argue that the people involved in moving the vote away from the TME/Barks tie to Mel should get some credit. No one is confirmed village, but the chance of TME+Barks both being wolves who were voting for each other just feels so outlandish to me.

Here's how the Mel vote happened:

Spoiler

Assemble Yourselves Day 1 Vote Tally (#1223)

DubZ ()
samac ()
TME (5) - AM, Zenge, Mel, Barks, Bread
True (2) - genny, kdswg
Mel ()
Fluff (1) - samac
Sporty (1) - violet
Violet (2) - cubs, True
Barks (5) - DubZ, SAR, Sporty, fluff, TME
Zenge ()
cubs (1) - Dana
AM (1) - PSV

18/19

@TelemarketingEnigma + @Barkley13 - there can only be one winner
Missing: @BobLoblaw78

Vote closes at 10pm ET/9pm CT/7pm Fantasyland on Tuesday, 2/15/22 (~15 MINUTES)

I'm really not a fan of either train but I don't know if we can fix this in 15 minutes.

I kinda wanna yeet Mel’s.
He feels much more hedge than he does as a villager.

How do you feel about Mel?

Why is Mel feeling so not-wolfy? That's the most disconcerting vibe.

Nah imma do it
Unyeet fluff
Yeet Mel

Oh? A Mel train?

**** it, I'm in

unyeet barks yeet Mel

Actually, yeah. Sure. Yeah.

Unyeet Violet.

Yeet Mel.

Hmmmm
Unyeet AM
Yeet Mel

unyeet barks

Yeet Mel

I don’t know if either vote keeps me alive but if barks is telling the truth I’d rather me go than her (and I will be sad if she is wolf)

if TME self-prezzes onto mel, i will vote mel to break a tie

unyeet cubs, yeet mel to break the tie

 

[Truenamer]

What is your read on Sporty?

She's been the same Anger!Sporty I'm used to from previous games, I guess? She doesn't feel different the way Mel did. But then, Dubz felt like Dubz last game and she was a woof the whole time.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Though actually, I'm going to argue that the people involved in moving the vote away from the TME/Barks tie to Mel should get some credit. No one is confirmed village, but the chance of TME+Barks both being wolves who were voting for each other just feels so outlandish to me.

Here's how the Mel vote happened:

I disagree. I don't think this is a credit situation. You can definitely village read people's overall efforts and progression to get to voting Mel but there's zero reason a wolf (or more) couldn't have been on that vote.

 

[Truenamer]

The fact that you were making comments with 10 minutes to go about when he flipped village and a pack wouldn’t have known he was a wolf is a little sketchballs

I will invite you to look at my voting track record last game. Maybe I should be more stern and tight-lipped about being anxious about misyeeting people, but I haven't been in the past.

 

[Truenamer]

I disagree. I don't think this is a credit situation. You can definitely village read people's overall efforts and progression to get to voting Mel but there's zero reason a wolf (or more) couldn't have been on that vote.

AM 85-90% to be villager btw 😉

 

[Zenge142]

but the chance of TME+Barks both being wolves who were voting for each other just feels so outlandish to me.

I mean...does it feel outlandish partially because TME is dead and flipped village?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Deeply, deeply annoyed that I helped catch the one kind of wolf that doesn't get me any village cred

Why so eager to be that cleared all of the sudden? I thought you were trying to avoid NKs?

 

[samac]

How did you feel about Fluff's fight with Barks?

To be honest it didn’t stick out enough to me to remember it well

 

[Truenamer]

Why so eager to be that cleared all of the sudden? I thought you were trying to avoid NKs?

Because I've gotten more than enough shade for my taste and don't want to be misyoten

 

[Zenge142]

To be honest it didn’t stick out enough to me to remember it well

I'd like you to re-read the end of day fight and get back to be on your thoughts. Try and keep and open mind.

 

[samac]

I'd like you to re-read the end of day fight and get back to be on your thoughts. Try and keep and open mind.

I’m gonna be hard pressed to get myself out of this one.

 

[Truenamer]

Why so eager to be that cleared all of the sudden? I thought you were trying to avoid NKs?

Also because I spent the entire last game killing villagers and want a scrap of acknowledgement for doing good :/

 

[cubsrule4e]

True's interpretation is kind of the same thought I had about it. It could be this wild smoking gun, but more likely than not I feel like it's a noob comment misinterpreted.

I just made that interpretation 2 posts before and you Liked it, but you avoid commenting on it now after I pointed out youd been agreeing with me a lot?

Edit: It was actually the same exact time. I just started typing it before I saw his post.

 

[cubsrule4e]

No. She was a wolfy sidecar in Stardew.
I think it was a rojo.

Were there lone wolves in StardeWW? A cult isnt the same thing as a lone wolf.

 

[Zenge142]

I just made that interpretation 2 posts before and you Liked it, but you avoid commenting on it now after I pointed out youd been agreeing with me a lot?

Edit: It was actually the same exact time. I just started typing it before I saw his post.

Your comment was after True's. I quoted Samac. I quoted True. I started writing my own post. You commented between me writing my post and me hitting the post reply button. Seems odd to obsess over this.

 

[Truenamer]

Were there lone wolves in StardeWW? A cult isnt the same thing as a lone wolf.

Also, wait, I was reading the Mafia wiki and it looks like there are lone wolves and then lost wolves; Lost Wolves count toward the pack except they can't talk to them, and Lone Wolves are basically a 3P that wins when they're the last one standing. Mel was Lone, not Lost, right? Or do we not always use the same terms as that wiki?

It doesn't really matter because he's dead, I just want to clarify for future games.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Also, wait, I was reading the Mafia wiki and it looks like there are lone wolves and then lost wolves; Lost Wolves count toward the pack except they can't talk to them, and Lone Wolves are basically a 3P that wins when they're the last one standing. Mel was Lone, not Lost, right? Or do we not always use the same terms as that wiki?

It doesn't really matter because he's dead, I just want to clarify for future games.

Yes Lost wolves try to find the rest of the pack and when they do usually they become a part of it and go to wolf chat. A lone wolf is more 3P like in the sense that they have to survive until everyone else is gone.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also, wait, I was reading the Mafia wiki and it looks like there are lone wolves and then lost wolves; Lost Wolves count toward the pack except they can't talk to them, and Lone Wolves are basically a 3P that wins when they're the last one standing. Mel was Lone, not Lost, right? Or do we not always use the same terms as that wiki?

It doesn't really matter because he's dead, I just want to clarify for future games.

Not always. Lone wolves can mean anything on SDN. I've even seen them have inclusive wins with the pack.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Your comment was after True's. I quoted Samac. I quoted True. I started writing my own post. You commented between me writing my post and me hitting the post reply button. Seems odd to obsess over this.

Not obsessing... it was... one... comment?

 

[Truenamer]

Not obsessing... it was... one... comment?

fight fight fight fight

 

[Truenamer]

Also, do any more experience players have theories on how the double kill happened at day-close? Could have been some sort of collateral damage mechanic that Mel had?

 

[Dana_May_B]

village

barks
true
samac = dubz
AM
sheltervet
SAR
kdswg
genny
sporty
violet
bread
fluff
bob = cubs= zenge

wolfy

i went back and reread the thread while ignoring a physiology lecture haha

 

[Dana_May_B]

Also, do any more experience players have theories on how the double kill happened at day-close? Could have been some sort of collateral damage mechanic that Mel had?

my first thought was a vig shot (i know im not very experienced but you cant stop me from sharing my opinion!)

 

[Truenamer]

village

barks
true
samac = dubz
AM
sheltervet
SAR
kdswg
genny
sporty
violet
bread
fluff
bob = cubs= zenge

wolfy

i went back and reread the thread while ignoring a physiology lecture haha

Why so much confidence in Barks? I agree and think she's village, just want to hear your reasoning

 

[Dana_May_B]

Why so much confidence in Barks? I agree and think she's village, just want to hear your reasoning

i’ll totally admit i struggled with who to put at the top of the list. but i had to pick someone and my interpretation of what happened last night is that TME and barks were both village and we managed to see through that and yeet mel at the end. that interpretation of events is also what led to me giving other people like samac and dubz some village credit- so that’s why i thought barks should go at the top. i also believe bark’s role reveal.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Also, do any more experience players have theories on how the double kill happened at day-close? Could have been some sort of collateral damage mechanic that Mel had?

Not good to assume, but if I had to guess it had something to do with Mel.

 

[cubsrule4e]

village

barks
true
samac = dubz
AM
sheltervet
SAR
kdswg
genny
sporty
violet
bread
fluff
bob = cubs= zenge

wolfy

i went back and reread the thread while ignoring a physiology lecture haha

So me zenge and bob are the remaining wolves?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Also, do any more experience players have theories on how the double kill happened at day-close? Could have been some sort of collateral damage mechanic that Mel had?

Also there was no NK. We dont know if any actions were actually blocked, night cancel, protection, etc. Maybe it had something to do with an early wolf pack kill, which makes less sense though, because TME wouldnt have been cleared and still had misyeet potential.

 

[Truenamer]

Not good to assume, but if I had to guess it had something to do with Mel.

Thinking aloud:

Let's say he has something like "when you die, you can take someone with you." This would also explain the slightly longer delay between his yeeting and the writeup.

If so, who would he pick?

Picking TME might make sense if Mel's victory condition is just the wolves winning. If that's the case, he would want to pick someone he's pretty confident isn't also a wolf; and at least to me, TME looked like a prime misyeet waiting to happen.

If he had picked someone like Samac, AM, or me, it would be more obvious that it was revenge/collateral, whereas this way it leads to more confusion (which I assume is pro-woofs).

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also there was no NK. We dont know if any actions were actually blocked, night cancel, protection, etc. Maybe it had something to do with an early wolf pack kill, which makes less sense though, because TME wouldnt have been cleared and still had misyeet potential.

What early pack kill?

 

[samac]

Were there lone wolves in StardeWW? A cult isnt the same thing as a lone wolf.

No. There weren’t. I’m speaking about 3P assumptions.
I have no idea why a noob village would immediately assume something flipping wolf would be 3P and if it is ask questions about parity when she knows how 3P would work towards parity.

 

[Dana_May_B]

So me zenge and bob are the remaining wolves?

this is my first time ever making it to day 2 as village, you'll never hear me say im 100% confident in my reads. i color coordinated them to show who im wolf reading most right now, but there's nothing saying those blue people cant become purple, or the greens cant become blue, etc. my reads have already changed a bit as the game has gone on. *ill also have you note i put fluff in the same color as yall

something that stood out to me upon reread is how you and zenge had a bit of a disagreement early on in the thread, and then there was a shift where zenge started agreeing with you. i dont think you're incompatible as wolves. and i just wasn't a fan of bob's responses to AM last night.

 

[cubsrule4e]

What early pack kill?

I dunno? True asked about tinfoils as to why TME died.

 

[Truenamer]

I dunno? True asked about tinfoils as to why TME died.

I'm building a cozy tinfoil hut, so I need to collect lots of tinfoil hats