MarWWel -- GAME THREAD

[Truenamer]

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Also I'm going to put this out there: based on how my POE's shaping up, we probably have a wolf among our low-posters.

 

[WildZoo]

@WildZoo Genny way?

I'm gonna catch up and then I'll review her posts in particular but I was feeling decent about her yesterday

 

[WildZoo]

AM 85-90% to be villager btw 😉

I thought you said she was different this game 😱

 

[SportPonies]

@SportPonies I see you lurking!

Any thoughts?

I’m not lurking so much as checking in when I can lol

Tbh the fluff/samac thing feels like it’s getting to the point of distraction, especially when there’s so little other discussion. But I don’t know that I have an independent read on either of them right now.

 

[Truenamer]

I thought you said she was different this game 😱

The Mel nonsense reassured me, faith in AM restored

 

[potentialsheltervet]

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Thank you for seeing this as the vanilla cishet with a soft "ooooh but it's two ~Lokis~" that it is
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Exactly! "Loki is so progressive because he's confirmed bi!" yeah but they had to be sure the only romance they actually show is with a woman because it's Disney and you have to be sure your franchise about the genocide of half the universe is still kId FrIeNdLy
Big "JK Rowling claiming Dumbledore is gay in retrospect so she can claim representation she never bothered to write" energy.

 

[Lawpy]

because it's Disney and you have to be sure your franchise about the genocide of half the universe is still kId FrIeNdLy

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Spoiler: sad Lawpy

Hard to be kid friendly when Disney showed John Walker using his shield to brutally cave a Flag Smasher’s chest in

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[Truenamer]

Violence? 🥰😍🤩

The Gays? 😮😬😔

 

[potentialsheltervet]

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Spoiler: sad Lawpy

Hard to be kid friendly when Disney showed John Walker using his shield to brutally cave a Flag Smasher’s chest in

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Lmao this was actually the most entertaining part of TFTWS for me because I was ACTUALLY engaged.
@Truenamer Exactly. Good grief, it's not like anyone is asking Marvel for like an X-rated gay film (well, some people probably are) but just SOME actual representation instead of "here are your crumbs, heathens, LeFou is gay!" or "Loki is bi, be content with that knowledge because we will probably never do anything with this information again" or "Yes, worship us, there ARE two women distantly kissing in the last Star Wars movie. You wanted Finn and Poe? Ew, main characters? No thanks, let's cut off someone's hand."
Ahem. Back to the game.

 

[bluestoat]

Lmao this was actually the most entertaining part of TFTWS for me because I was ACTUALLY engaged.
@Truenamer Exactly. Good grief, it's not like anyone is asking Marvel for like an X-rated gay film (well, some people probably are) but just SOME actual representation instead of "here are your crumbs, heathens, LeFou is gay!" or "Loki is bi, be content with that knowledge because we will probably never do anything with this information again" or "Yes, worship us, there ARE two women distantly kissing in the last Star Wars movie. You wanted Finn and Poe? Ew, main characters? No thanks, let's cut off someone's hand."
Ahem. Back to the game.

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Watch movies with us pls stoat out
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[Truenamer]

Lmao this was actually the most entertaining part of TFTWS for me because I was ACTUALLY engaged.
@Truenamer Exactly. Good grief, it's not like anyone is asking Marvel for like an X-rated gay film (well, some people probably are) but just SOME actual representation instead of "here are your crumbs, heathens, LeFou is gay!" or "Loki is bi, be content with that knowledge because we will probably never do anything with this information again" or "Yes, worship us, there ARE two women distantly kissing in the last Star Wars movie. You wanted Finn and Poe? Ew, main characters? No thanks, let's cut off someone's hand."
Ahem. Back to the game.

PShelty confirmed village for good opinions

 

[potentialsheltervet]

time travel powers

Yuck, don't remind me of Endgame.

Now that the calm morning light has arrived I doubt that there's actually more than a single lone wolf.

Same, though I'm still proud of that tinfoil. I was thinking last night that the wolf killing system wouldn't make any sense if there were only lone wolves, and it would be absurd to think there could be, like, five village deaths each night.

AM 85-90% to be villager btw 😉

What's your p value? I think this confidence interval is too optimistic.

Also there was no NK. We dont know if any actions were actually blocked, night cancel, protection, etc. Maybe it had something to do with an early wolf pack kill, which makes less sense though, because TME wouldnt have been cleared and still had misyeet potential.

I'm wondering if there's a mechanical reason for the TME kill, similar to BoWWling. Alternatively, there's an interesting mechanic in the game where each player is paired with someone else and dies when that player is killed/yoten but that would be very complex and I don't find it likely.

Why would I say "us" if I was in wolf chat?

Why wouldn't you? If I recall correctly your post was "does that count for us for parity?" or something which would make total sense to be in wolfchat. I don't want to beat a dead horse as far as that post is concerned though.
I still don't get the yuckies from Zenge. samac's focus on fluff feels village to me because a wolf would know fluff's affiliation and pursuing her with that much conviction would immediately throw suspicion on you once she flips village.

 

[Barkley13]

village

barks
true
samac = dubz
AM
sheltervet
SAR
kdswg
genny
sporty
violet
bread
fluff
bob = cubs= zenge

wolfy

i went back and reread the thread while ignoring a physiology lecture haha

Have you said why bob, Cubs, and zenge are that low? And why true and shelter are where they are?

Also there was no NK. We dont know if any actions were actually blocked, night cancel, protection, etc. Maybe it had something to do with an early wolf pack kill, which makes less sense though, because TME wouldnt have been cleared and still had misyeet potential.

Fairly certain it was night cancel

The Mel nonsense reassured me, faith in AM restored

Can you elaborate?

 

[Zenge142]

samac's focus on fluff feels village to me because a wolf would know fluff's affiliation and pursuing her with that much conviction would immediately throw suspicion on you once she flips village.

Why are YOU so certain that Fluff will flip village?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I still don't get the yuckies from Zenge. samac's focus on fluff feels village to me because a wolf would know fluff's affiliation and pursuing her with that much conviction would immediately throw suspicion on you once she flips village.

You can village read samac for other reasons, but you literally just wolfed with samac so you know she does and can push villagers. So I don't consider simply pushing someone out of her.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I wouldn't mind hearing more wolf reads from you actually @potentialsheltervet.

 

[Truenamer]

Can you elaborate?

Yeah, basically the way that AM rejected the two existing wagons and pushed/questioned me on a different person just... doesn't make sense to me from a wolfy perspective. It could be a masterful 4D chess thing, in which case congrats AM, but it makes more sense if this is Village AM who wanted to prevent a misyeet and felt like Mel was suspicious.

 

[Truenamer]

Yeah, basically the way that AM rejected the two existing wagons and pushed/questioned me on a different person just... doesn't make sense to me from a wolfy perspective. It could be a masterful 4D chess thing, in which case congrats AM, but it makes more sense if this is Village AM who wanted to prevent a misyeet and felt like Mel was suspicious.

Hey, @Animal Midwife, would you do this if you were a wolf? Seriously, I'm curious.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hey, @Animal Midwife, would you do this if you were a wolf? Seriously, I'm curious.

I don't really know. It would probably depend on who my packmates were and how the thread was flowing in general.

 

[Zenge142]

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

I just had a random tinfoil and I wanted to see if this does anything. Carry on.

 

[Truenamer]

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

I just had a random tinfoil and I wanted to see if this does anything. Carry on.

I don't think my person is actually an Avenger, funnily enough. But I'd claim she's close enough to count.

 

[Zenge142]

I don't think my person is actually an Avenger, funnily enough. But I'd claim she's close enough to count.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Why are YOU so certain that Fluff will flip village?

I'm actually wolf-reading fluff, and I think it's pretty clear what I meant from my post. In a parallel universe where samac is a wolf, everyone is either packmate or not packmate (presumed villager). For samac to be wolfing, that would mean she is either hardcore bussing a packmate who didn't otherwise have that much suspicion on her (not something I think she would do) OR she knows fluff is village and is continuing to push her, knowing she isn't a packmate, and even said people can turn on her if fluff flips village. This doesn't feel like something a wolf would do.
Also @Animal Midwife yes, samac can and does push villagers as a wolf, but I don't recall her ever offering herself up as a sacrifice if she misyeeted someone because obviously a wolf would know when they're pushing a misyeet and wouldn't want suspicion to swing back to them. That's the crux of what I'm getting at.
Wolf reads not very strong and based on gut feelings at the moment. You're not going to like them.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I don't think my person is actually an Avenger, funnily enough. But I'd claim she's close enough to count.

Friendo there's no need to do this right now. I thought your MO was supposed to be wolfy at first to survive for a bit then hardcore village?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm actually wolf-reading fluff, and I think it's pretty clear what I meant from my post. In a parallel universe where samac is a wolf, everyone is either packmate or not packmate (presumed villager). For samac to be wolfing, that would mean she is either hardcore bussing a packmate who didn't otherwise have that much suspicion on her (not something I think she would do) OR she knows fluff is village and is continuing to push her, knowing she isn't a packmate, and even said people can turn on her if fluff flips village. This doesn't feel like something a wolf would do.
Also @Animal Midwife yes, samac can and does push villagers as a wolf, but I don't recall her ever offering herself up as a sacrifice if she misyeeted someone because obviously a wolf would know when they're pushing a misyeet and wouldn't want suspicion to swing back to them. That's the crux of what I'm getting at.
Wolf reads not very strong and based on gut feelings at the moment. You're not going to like them.

Did I miss where samac offered herself up?

 

[Truenamer]

Friendo there's no need to do this right now. I thought your MO was supposed to be wolfy at first to survive for a bit then hardcore village?

Eh, my MO is forever changing. Plus, I don't think making vague comments about my character really wolf or village codes me.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Tentative reads list, in no particular order
Dubz
samac
kdswg
Barks
Dana
True
Zenge
SP
VV
AM
SAR
Bob
genny
Bread
fluff
Cubs

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Eh, my MO is forever changing. Plus, I don't think making vague comments about my character really wolf or village codes me.

...in this game, it certainly does. Considering TME (village) was an Avenger and Mel (wolf) was a GotG villain, we can probably be fairly confident anyone who can sort of align with the Avengers is a villager. Mentioning "she" narrows the list even further. It's not all that vague.

 

[Dana_May_B]

Have you said why bob, Cubs, and zenge are that low? And why true and shelter are where they are?

Fairly certain it was night cancel

Can you elaborate?

this is my first time ever making it to day 2 as village, you'll never hear me say im 100% confident in my reads. i color coordinated them to show who im wolf reading most right now, but there's nothing saying those blue people cant become purple, or the greens cant become blue, etc. my reads have already changed a bit as the game has gone on. *ill also have you note i put fluff in the same color as yall

something that stood out to me upon reread is how you and zenge had a bit of a disagreement early on in the thread, and then there was a shift where zenge started agreeing with you. i dont think you're incompatible as wolves. and i just wasn't a fan of bob's responses to AM last night.

as far as zenge, i’m not a fan of his early push on TME. everyone seemed to agree early on that TME has a tendency to wolf read zenge no matter his affiliation, so it just seemed a little retaliatory for zenge to vote TME. i also think his shift from disagreeing to agreeing with cubs was odd. wasn't a fan of his responses to dubz's questions last night either

not much else to add with bob other than i think it’s hard for wolves to be confident in their POE’s (at least it was for me as a wolf) so it’s sketchy to me that at yeet close yesterday he couldn’t give one

cubs i explained yesterday with my vote- i’m not a fan of his violet yeet and i’m also sensing a different tone from him than i did in the stardew valley game where i easily village read him early on

i placed true so high up because i found myself easily following his logic and reasoning yesterday and during the vote last night. i really really liked his posts last night with sensing the TME and barks wagons not feeling right and then contributing to us yeeting mel out. he’s also continued to do things that i thought were sketchy in prior games (like post right after yeet close "mel were we wrong about you?") and it makes me think he’s village again. at the end of the day, im just sensing his playstyle to be very consistent with what I've seen from village!true before

sheltervet was also one of the first people to get on the mel train. and also idk what kind of wolf strategy yeeting AM is but it sure isn't one that i would consider haha

 

[Truenamer]

...in this game, it certainly does. Considering TME (village) was an Avenger and Mel (wolf) was a GotG villain, we can probably be fairly confident anyone who can sort of align with the Avengers is a villager. Mentioning "she" narrows the list even further. It's not all that vague.

Hmmmmm. I suppose I should think about this stuff more before posting, huh?

 

[WildZoo]

The Mel nonsense reassured me, faith in AM restored

Which part? I only saw her ask how someone was reading Mel.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Did I miss where samac offered herself up?

This is the exchange I'm talking about:

If fluff flips wolf I think I then wanna flip cubs

Oho! And if she flips village? Open season on you? So youre convinced fluff/barks was w/v?

I still ain’t read it.
If she flips village, sure. Open season on me.

So youre willing to go all in on a wolf read without having even evaluated important content between her and another player? Youre starting to give me the twitch, mi amore.

Twitch all you want.
I’ll read it.
But I’m going to be hard pressed to change my opinion. Obviously it didn’t stand out enough to clear fluff when I read it the first time.

 

[Animal Midwife]

...in this game, it certainly does. Considering TME (village) was an Avenger and Mel (wolf) was a GotG villain, we can probably be fairly confident anyone who can sort of align with the Avengers is a villager. Mentioning "she" narrows the list even further. It's not all that vague.

Let's not get too ahead ourselves until at least non-lone wolf flips.

 

[Animal Midwife]

This is the exchange I'm talking about:

Oh. I thought the open season was referring to Barks.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

sheltervet was also one of the first people to get on the mel train. and also idk what kind of wolf strategy yeeting AM is but it sure isn't one that i would consider haha

'Tis a wolf strategy for almost instant death, I'd think. Also, I appreciate the village points if that's what you're implying but as has already been discussed no one can be cleared for voting (or not voting) Mel since it's highly doubtful the wolf pack knew who he was. To them he was probably just another villager.

 

[Truenamer]

Let's not get too ahead ourselves until at least non-lone wolf flips.

So until then I shouldn't tell everyone that I'm Hela? Roger that

 

[Dana_May_B]

'Tis a wolf strategy for almost instant death, I'd think. Also, I appreciate the village points if that's what you're implying but as has already been discussed no one can be cleared for voting (or not voting) Mel since it's highly doubtful the wolf pack knew who he was. To them he was probably just another villager.

yeah i guess im not giving you village points for voting mel in particular, but for recognizing that the two top vote getters at the time were probably village and trying to help a developing third wagon on another player (mel)

 

[WildZoo]

Let's not get too ahead ourselves until at least non-lone wolf flips.

This. We don't know at all what the pack wolf roles look like.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Oh. I thought the open season was referring to Barks.

It stood out to me because it struck me as a very not-wolfy thing to do. I feel like if someone had done this in BoWWling she would've started yelling at them in wolfchat. Maybe she's just trying something new in the hopes of getting village cleared but I have a hard time seeing it that way, so she's going in my village reads.

 

[justafluff]

Exactly! "Loki is so progressive because he's confirmed bi!" yeah but they had to be sure the only romance they actually show is with a woman because it's Disney and you have to be sure your franchise about the genocide of half the universe is still kId FrIeNdLy
Big "JK Rowling claiming Dumbledore is gay in retrospect so she can claim representation she never bothered to write" energy.

I actually saw “Harry Potter and the Cursed Child” on Sunday and was pleasantly surprised at the gay references there. No explicit kiss on scene though. The actual romance was kind of alternating with bromance.

 

[Dana_May_B]

So until then I shouldn't tell everyone that I'm Hela? Roger that

dont you make me regret putting you so high on my village list 🤣

 

[Animal Midwife]

sheltervet was also one of the first people to get on the mel train. and also idk what kind of wolf strategy yeeting AM is but it sure isn't one that i would consider haha

At least regarding the bolded, it has happened dozens of times before. See last game for the most recent instance.

 

[WildZoo]

'Tis a wolf strategy for almost instant death, I'd think. Also, I appreciate the village points if that's what you're implying but as has already been discussed no one can be cleared for voting (or not voting) Mel since it's highly doubtful the wolf pack knew who he was. To them he was probably just another villager.

Nah I did it and I didn't die until later

 

[potentialsheltervet]

So until then I shouldn't tell everyone that I'm Hela? Roger that

Uh excuse me have you seen my profile picture? Clearly I'm Hela.

 

[Truenamer]

dont you make me regret putting you so high on my village list 🤣

The day I stop making sketchy-as-hell jokes is the day you should be suspicious

 

[Dana_May_B]

At least regarding the bolded, it has happened dozens of times before. See last game for the most recent instance.

oh i know, but i would assume that us newer players would be a little too scared to do such a thing, especially on day 1!

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Nah I did it and I didn't die until later

Haha but I'm not a universally village-read, unyeetable wolf, now am I?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

oh i know, but i would assume that us newer players would be a little too scared to do such a thing, especially on day 1!

Recall me cowering in the corner when I challenged AM last game

 

[Truenamer]

Haha but I'm not a universally village-read, unyeetable wolf, now am I?

It is funny that Dubz came out as a wolf last game and I still considered yeeting Genny instead

 

[Animal Midwife]

oh i know, but i would assume that us newer players would be a little too scared to do such a thing, especially on day 1!

Nah, I have distinct memories of multiple different noobs challenging me as early as their first wolf outing (most recently would be Bob, I believe). It has more to do with confidence than experience level.