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MD vs DO

Discussion in 'Clinical Rotations' started by rastelli, Feb 26, 2002.

  1. rastelli

    rastelli Smoove B
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    I'm just curious (and I'm not meaning to pick on anyone), but how many of the DO's out there truly wanted to go to an osteopathic school?

    What were your reasons? Couldn't get into allopathic school so you figured you just head to DO school? Or was DO just a better fit?

    Again, I'm just curious...
     
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    Troll. Troll. Go away and don't come back some other day.
     
  6. rastelli

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    Thanks for the fantastic feedback guys!!! Very helpful indeed! Gee, I wonder what school they went to? Could it perhaps have been a DO school? Hmmmmm....

    Perhaps one's ability to communicate effectively with others isn't a priority at osteopathic schools.
     
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    Sorry to burst your DO bashing bubble, but I'm a MSIV at a great MD school. Who really cares whether someone wanted to go DO or not? Like, I said, go take your Troll curiosity somewhere else.
     
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    I'm also an M4 at an MD school and I sometimes wish I had the opportunity to learn OMT like DO students do.
     
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    I'm at a Do school and I hate trolls too. Go away loser.
     
  10. Teufelhunden

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    rastelli, I apologize for the rudeness demonstrated above. You have to understand that this board is constantly bombarded with this question (in its many forms). If you do some research, you'll see the that posts of this type almost ALWAYS digress into very ugly exchanges that many of us (including myself) are really tired of. So, the response you received is nothing personal, it's just the result of 1000 of these posts gone bad.

    So, to answer your question, I'm an MS-I at a DO school...I applied to MD schools as well, and wasn't accepted to any. I love the school that I'm at (OUCOM) and have not regretted my decision to attend (versus waiting a year and reapplying).

    Yes, there are some hardships that lie ahead of me as a DO that my MD colleagues won't have to deal with, but to be quite honest, I'm just happy to be here....happy to have the opportunity to one day practice medicine.
     
  11. rastelli

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    I must say there are some awfully defensive folks out there. Not only was my question benign in nature, the replies are so nasty. I suppose one could see the topic or my question for that matter, and react in whichever way one chose to. Reply or not. But to take time out of your (busy?) day to call me a Troll? Come on boss...what the hell are you talking about? Only trying to satisfiy a curiosity. I had never even heard of DO schools until I got into an allopathic school....
     
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    Although this may be a troll, I'll attempt to answer this. As this might be a question that many readers of this page struggle with.

    So, the topic of MD vs DO is a touchy subject, particularly with DOs. Many people chose which med school to go to for a variety of reasons. Some for location, some for price, yet others for philosophy of education(research based, community issue oriented, and even holistic care). To automatically assume that someone went to a DO school because they couldn't get into an allopathic school would be not taking into consideration these factors.

    That being said, I had never really heard of DOs or osteopathic schools before I began to apply(Oh yeah, and not having any prior contact with the other field may be a factor). Anyway, when I first starting applying to med schools, a friend of mine suggested that I apply to DO schools as well. It was his idea that DO school would be his "back up". Back then(1996...can't speak for now), both the average MCAT score as well as average incoming student GPA was considerably lower. If I really wanted to be a doctor, I was told I would maybe have an easier time if I didn't mind being a DO.

    I brought this up to my physician mentor, a neuroradiologist, who had mentioned to me that his father had attended a DO school. He suggested, just as his father advised him, that I go to an allopathic school. Partly because you always have to explain to everyone that you truly are a medical doctor, and you feel as though you always have to prove yourself as a physician.

    That being said, I wasn't too keen on my MCATs and so I applied to DO schools anyway. Oddly enough, after I did some research on the history of osteopathic medicine, I was impressed. The philosophy of treating the "patient" and not the symptom seemed something that I agreed with.
    I got interviews at allopathic schools and I applied to a few DO schools. I got an interview at PCOM. I was eventually accepted at PCOM, but also at my state school. Not wanting to hold on to too many acceptances(yeah, like that would happen, actually I was happy with my state school), I turned down PCOM.

    Now, I think DO schools understand the competition they face from MD schools. Shortly after I sent in my withdrawal letter to PCOM, I was sent a survey. One of the questions they asked me was whether I turned them down because they were a DO school. Although it was only slightly because they were, it was more of a money issue(PCOM was expensive as hell compared to my state school).

    Did it make a difference in the long run? Probably not. I'm in PM&R and our field has been traditionally friendly to DOs. Don't think however that some residency programs are still discriminatory to DO applicants(hell, some programs are discriminatory if you went to a state school...particularly the IVYs.)

    Do I give my fellow DO residents grief(in jest when they piss me off) by calling them chiropractors...sure...but only because I know it gets under their skin...they are VERY sensitive about it. Do I think think that they are any less prepared for residency than others. Probably not, as I have seen many of my fellow MDs who seem to be dumb as a sack of hammers, and I wonder how they got into med school in the first place...

    I had more to say, but my fingers are tired and I'm not so sure anyone is still reading this anymore...

    :D
     
  13. njdocDO

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    rastelli...

    Never heard of a DO school before getting into an allopathic school? Hope you're better at medicine than doing your homework on medicine. Do yourself a favor, when you're on rotations or residency and have a DO Attending, don't tell him or her that.
     
  14. "sack of hammers..."

    that's pretty damn funny...
     
  15. Medic171

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    Oh, Yeah, BTW Every DO is a wannabe MD who could not get it <img border="0" alt="[Pissy]" title="" src="graemlins/pissy.gif" /> :mad: :rolleyes:
     
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    and yes that was troll sarcasm..I hope to go DO, and MD schools are great too
     
  17. AJM

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by njdocDO:
    <strong>rastelli...

    Never heard of a DO school before getting into an allopathic school? Hope you're better at medicine than doing your homework on medicine. Do yourself a favor, when you're on rotations or residency and have a DO Attending, don't tell him or her that.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Okay, let's cut rastelli a little slack here. I don't know if he started this thread to get a rise out of people, but the comment he made about not previously knowing about DO schools is perfectly legitimate. There are many, many people out there who apply to med school without really realizing DO schools exist, or they don't realize that DO schools are equivalent to MD schools. I personally didn't know about DO schools until around my 2nd year of med school <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> -- mostly because I had never met a DO or DO student before, and no one had really mentioned it to me. Sure, I was ignorant at the time, and I'll admit that I didn't research the topic of osteopathic medical education when I applied, but that's because I was under the false assumption that it wasn't equivalent to MD school -- so I didn't bother. It also doesn't mean that I will be a poor physician because of my lack of prior knowledge of all the medical disciplines.

    These discussion forums have taught me a lot about osteopathic medicine, and I'm glad I know about it now, but I can completely understand people who don't know about the DO path. :)
     
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    Ok, please don't bite my head off here - try to remember I'm just a lowly incoming med student.

    I have to say that I have always thought that no one would go DO unless they didn't have the opporunity to go to an MD school. I know that is not true in 100% of the cases out there, but I still think that's more or less accurate. I know several of my classmates here at the University of Arizona who have been admitted to AZCOM but will not attend unless they get rejected by ALL MD schools to which they applied. I am not saying that DO students don't have the potential to be great docs or are somehow inferior to MD students. That's not how I feel about this issue at all. I think that there are crappy MDs out there and there are crappy DOs out there practicing medicine. I just hope that things don't get out of hand, and degenerate to where one day there are MDs, DOs, XDs, YDs, ZDs...ad infinitum.

    Also, am I the only one that thinks it is rediculous there are new DO schools are being established? Note that I oppose new MD/DO schools equally...

    Maybe I'm just naive/uneducated...I dunno...if that's the case, educate me! And think twice before calling me a "troll", cuz I'm not one...
     
  19. godfather

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    although i come from a state where there are alot of do's, i really didn't know much about them until my sister recently got into one and i worked with some do residents and had a couple of do attendings. So here's what i do know.
    1 hands down do schools are much easier to get into then allopathic schools. I know many people with mcat scores of 17-24 and gpa's of 2.9 - 3.4 that got in. My sister got 8,8,5 with a 3.5 and interviewed at 6 of 8 places with 4 acceptances as of today. She took the mcat a 2nd time in august and got 9,9,8(but these scores were never sent to the do schools as they'd already interviewed her and accepted her by the time she'd gotten her scores back) but has yet to receive an allopathic interview(out of 20 places applied) although she's still waiting from our state schools.2 not all but the vast majority of premeds usually have do schools as thier back-up, for a number of reasons, 1 most do schools are private and thus expensive,2 md breeds much more famialarity 3 prestige - although the degree in all practicality is equivalent, premeds thru their discussions often feel that a person becomes a do because he couldn't get into an allopathic school(obviously this isn't true 100% of the time, but it happens often enough in virtually every premed circle to keep this perception alive, and premeds often draw further support from the fact that numerically do's are usually weaker(i know i'm going to get blasted by the do's that got 5.0 and 45 on the mcat, and obviously not referring to you guys, i'm referring to a entire cohort of do's)3 although do's can be found in every discipline of medicine, when residencies get competitive their the 2nd to go(first are foreign grads), as many pd's feel that if they take too many do's the reputation of the residency goes down(this policy is obviously total bull**** and completly unfair but believe me it's also reality) Thus if your a do and you want to go into derm, ortho, or some other competitive field your chances are very slim in getting in(having said this i just ran into a do orthopedic resident so it is possible but definately an uphill climb) and if all other things are equal an inferior allopathic applicant will alot of times get the nod for a position over a do. Finally some countries i believe do not recognize the do degree. Now let me present the other side. Do's get the same basic education that md's get in their first 2 years as the medical sciences do not change from one place to another. After the first 2 years of med school, what you learn is up to you the individual and not the school thus there is absolutely no truth ever to MD's as a cohort being better than DO's. Indvidually there md's that are better than do's and vice-versa, but it has nothing to do with the initials at the end of their name. DO's can do everything an MD can and some will argue more as their schooled in OMT(although many do's will say that to master omt during school is hard and others will say that it's total bs). Finally, i will say this topic is very premedish(although i did respond because i know alot of people genuinley don't know alot about osteopathic medicine as was the case with me), the topic lives in med school because do students have a tougher time getting certain residencies, but it becomes obsolete by the end of the 4th year, thru residency thru the rest of your professional life. Then your bitching is aimed at people you think are taking moving in on your territory/(crna's for anaesthesiologists, optomoterists for optho, etc etc). Ultimately the best school regardless of it being osteopathic or allopathic is the one that accepts you.
     
  20. Freeeedom!

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    First Rastelli, your comments toward ME on a completely different question were worded in such a way, that it is difficult to tell if you were sarcastic/sincere/insulting. If you want a good response, word your question more carefully "dog".

    As for clinically, there is absolutely no difference in the skills between MD's and DO's. I have worked with enough different med students to tell. The biggest difference is still the manual medicine aspect which gives the DO the biggest advantage during CALL or during a busy day when getting "racked and cracked" is of great relief.
     
  21. rastelli

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    Relax Freeeedommm....don't be so sensitive.
     
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    They can't help it...they're DOs. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    Thanks Teufel....I appreciate your maturity and civility...a courtesy not extended by your colleauges. It's too bad a simply question cannot be asked without unleashing a tidal wave of insecurity.
     
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    Rasta,
    "you couldn't get into allopathic school so you figured to just head to DO school?"

    Come on, that doesn't sound sarcastic or petty? Then you blame people for getting defensive? What if someone said "So you go to LSU because you couldn't get into {insert school here}"...you may get a bit ticked at that perhaps?
    or "So you shop at Target cause you can't aford J-Crew?" perhaps it is true, but you sound like as @ss for saying that way!
    And no, I am not a DO. I am a MD student calling you out.
     
  25. rastelli

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    Clown Guy.....you sure are quick to jump to a defense, perhaps law school would have been more appropriate for you.

    Your illogical breakdown of my question is completely inaccurate and misses the mark. Your deficient deduction assumes one is superior to the other. An assumption I never made. You correlate DO school to inferior comparisons (Target and J-Crew). I never did that.

    Is it within the realm of possibility that some pre-medites might have opted to head to DO school after less than desirable results from the MD school application process? I think yes, as evidenced by some of the more intelligent replies to my initial question.

    If you choose to reply, do so in a coherent manner. Save your freshman, pseudo-philosophical, Johnny Cochrane analogies for some remedial SAT prep course...you're wasting my time.
     

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