MD & DO Meeting women during medical school

[MedicineZ0Z]

Just wait until you are in your 30s and an attending...chicks will FIND YOU.

For now focus on getting that 250+ on step 1 - especially as a DO student.

In fantasy land, I'm sure.

This is not true at all. Dating criteria for med students at my school are pretty harsh, generally for guys its 6'0+ and attractive. For females, it's literally just having a pulse and being thin. And even in the real world, no reasonably attractive girl gives a **** if you're a doctor or in med school. It's all based on being very attractive. If you wanna marry an average looking/below average slightly overweight girl who works at target, then you might be able to as an above average looking guy making a couple hundred grand/year. At that point though you're better off just playing call of duty with 12 year olds in your free time, because that's going to be more fun than being with that individual. Nobody has ever been impressed when I've told them I attend a US MD school (when they asked what I do). The only question they ask next, which I find pretty insulting, is "oh so you must have a lot of debt." At which point I say "no" and walk away. Better off saving your time and money anyways for high-end escorts. They'll be cheaper and hotter than a wife.

Funny thing is this post sounds like pure trolling yet is literally 100% accurate.

Totally false. Women love doctors, especially women in the medical field.

It's a nice add-on/bonus. They want the Dr who's good looking.
Same thing for a guy's body or height. You can be ripped and muscular, nice 6 pack or 6'4. It's all a bonus when compared to the importance of the guy's face.

They love the doctors who are tall and attractive. No one loves a doctor who's 5'8 and only above average.

Well being above avg in female eyes means you're ahead of 80% of males. So.. I'd disagree here.

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[MedicineZ0Z]

I think your problems go much further than looks...

You're practically crying because it's so unfair that the hot women only want to date hot men, not the average/ugly ones. And yet you're completely unwilling to date women who are similarly attractive to you, even though in my experience, women are usually completely willing to date a slightly less attractive man with a good personality. It's wrong that hot women won't date below them, but totally okay that you're not willing to date someone at your level. But yes, it's the women who are the shallow/superficial ones!

Yes, dating can be hard, but it gets a lot harder if you have unrealistic expectations. Maybe if you stopped feeling so sorry for yourself you'd have better luck.

The context was whether a girl will overlook inferior looks because the guy is a physician and has $$. Lot of premeds and med students are convinced that's the case. Reality is unless you're sugar daddying or the girl has issues (ex. extreme insecurity), no girl will genuinely date below her league (aside from celebrities/pro athletes etc).
Since Drs do have an attractive status, they might occasionally pull off someone slightly above them in looks. The good thing is male drs can do extremely well within their own league. If you're an average 5 like most guys, you can pull lots of 5/10 girls.

Now as for anecdotes, every male attending I know actually looks quite a bit better than their wife/gf.

 

[Mad Jack]

The context was whether a girl will overlook inferior looks because the guy is a physician and has $$. Lot of premeds and med students are convinced that's the case. Reality is unless you're sugar daddying or the girl has issues (ex. extreme insecurity), no girl will genuinely date below her league (aside from celebrities/pro athletes etc).
Since Drs do have an attractive status, they might occasionally pull off someone slightly above them in looks. The good thing is male drs can do extremely well within their own league. If you're an average 5 like most guys, you can pull lots of 5/10 girls.

Now as for anecdotes, every male attending I know actually looks quite a bit better than their wife/gf.

That's great and such but it's all completely wrong, and written like some 20 year old that's never been outside.

 

[ctaim]

That's great and such but it's all completely wrong, and written like some 20 year old that's never been outside.

The whole thread is cringe-worthy

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

That's great and such but it's all completely wrong, and written like some 20 year old that's never been outside.

How is it wrong? Plus why would you want someone to be with you only for career/money if it's a serious thing?

 

[Mad Jack]

How is it wrong? Plus why would you want someone to be with you only for career/money if it's a serious thing?

It's all incorrect, and the latter portion of your question is also so off base as to not even be worth addressing. Get some personality and self-esteem dude.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

It's all incorrect, and the latter portion of your question is also so off base as to not even be worth addressing. Get some personality and self-esteem dude.

So claiming that people will date within their own league is all wrong and incorrect? hmm..okay. That seems legit. It's not like there are numerous studies backing up what common sense tells us (along with our eyes).

 

[Mad Jack]

So claiming that people will date within their own league is all wrong and incorrect? hmm..okay. That seems legit. It's not like there are numerous studies backing up what common sense tells us (along with our eyes).

I'm saying it's far more complicated and multifactorial than you make it out to be.

 

[Mad Jack]

It's Not Your Imagination, Single Women: There Literally Aren't Enough Men Out There

For anyone actually interested in the economics of dating in the college-educated world.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

It's Not Your Imagination, Single Women: There Literally Aren't Enough Men Out There

For anyone actually interested in the economics of dating in the college-educated world.

It is multifactorial but people like to dismiss the #1 factor (looks) when it comes to men. That's a mystery.

 

[ctaim]

It is multifactorial but people like to dismiss the #1 factor (looks) when it comes to men. That's a mystery.

This whole thread is about wanting to date attractive women, this statement is a little one-sided.

 

[Peach Newport]

I know tons of "meh" and "ugh" dudes (including lots of medical students at my school and elsewhere) dating gorgeous, smart women. The thing all these guys have in common is that they're funny, charismatic, witty, and/or confident.

Oh, and they're not dating their fellow students. Dating within your medical school is an extremely tricky thing, to be approached only by the bravest, dumbest, and luckiest.

But for all you whiners and redpillers, take it from a guy who's been there: you REALLY don't want to use looks as your primary criteria for choosing a partner. I promise you, you will be miserable. Also, I think people "within the same league" simply work better together - they often have more in common. Choose compatability and personality - or you'll wish you did.

If someone else is really attractive, smart and cool, and you're not, do you really have a lot in common with them? I learned that the answer was a resounding no.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

I know tons of "meh" and "ugh" dudes (including lots of medical students at my school and elsewhere) dating gorgeous, smart women. The thing all these guys have in common is that they're funny, charismatic, witty, and/or confident.

Oh, and they're not dating their fellow students. Dating within your medical school is an extremely tricky thing, to be approached only by the bravest, dumbest, and luckiest.

But for all you whiners and redpillers, take it from a guy who's been there: you REALLY don't want to use looks as your primary criteria for choosing a partner. I promise you, you will be miserable. Also, I think people "within the same league" simply work better together - they often have more in common. Choose compatability and personality - or you'll wish you did.

If someone else is really attractive, smart and cool, and you're not, do you really have a lot in common with them? I learned that the answer was a resounding no.

Lot of those "meh" dudes in a male's eyes are actually very masculine looking to a female's eyes. Also insecure women tend to date below their own level of looks and (no surprise) cheat a lot. That's why it's important to look at things holistically.

 

[Peach Newport]

Lot of those "meh" dudes in a male's eyes are actually very masculine looking to a female's eyes. Also insecure women tend to date below their own level of looks and (no surprise) cheat a lot. That's why it's important to look at things holistically.

Then maybe you're extremely attractive and masculine in the eyes of the right woman.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

Then maybe you're extremely attractive and masculine in the eyes of the right woman.

Attractive women get bombarded with messages and approaches. They know how good they look and all of them will admit that they're insanely picky. I mean if you had a half a dozen pretty girls come up to you and message you daily, would you just settle for an average girl? Just look at it that way.

 

[ctaim]

Attractive women get bombarded with messages and approaches. They know how good they look and all of them will admit that they're insanely picky. I mean if you had a half a dozen pretty girls come up to you and message you daily, would you just settle for an average girl? Just look at it that way.

This is ridiculously not true.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

This is ridiculously not true.

lol what? Any decent looking girl I know gets endless DMs on Instagram, endless msgs and friend requests on FB, gets approached at the gym/library/store and so on. This is a norm in western society unless the girl has 0 social media presence (very rare) or never goes out.
I'm guessing you haven't been close with many women or significantly overestimate how good the ones you've known look.

 

[ctaim]

lol what? Any decent looking girl I know gets endless DMs on Instagram, endless msgs and friend requests on FB, gets approached at the gym/library/store and so on. This is a norm in western society unless the girl has 0 social media presence (very rare) or never goes out.
I'm guessing you haven't been close with many women or significantly overestimate how good the ones you've known look.

I'm female. Generally I prefer to be close with men.

 

[ridethecliche]

In B4 "but I'm a nice guy" poasts.

 

[68PGunner]

Attractive women get bombarded with messages and approaches. They know how good they look and all of them will admit that they're insanely picky. I mean if you had a half a dozen pretty girls come up to you and message you daily, would you just settle for an average girl? Just look at it that way.

I can say that your game is severely lacking. Just some tips here:

1) The so called 6-7/10 girls generally get tons of msg and approaches bc guys deem them to be approachable and dateable.

2) Real 9-10/10 girls actually don't get approached quite often bc guys get extremely intimidate in their presences.

Women is general don't put that much weight on looks like men do on the opposite sex. Your posts so far scream beta to me.

 

[Peach Newport]

Attractive women get bombarded with messages and approaches. They know how good they look and all of them will admit that they're insanely picky. I mean if you had a half a dozen pretty girls come up to you and message you daily, would you just settle for an average girl? Just look at it that way.

I guess you're like Neisseria...

You can't take a complement and vaginas hate you!

 

[VincentAdultman]

Oh, and they're not dating their fellow students. Dating within your medical school is an extremely tricky thing, to be approached only by the bravest, dumbest, and luckiest

I'm not sure why some medical students have a complex about dating fellow students. I did it and somehow my career wasn't destroyed.

 

[516662]

I'm female. Generally I prefer to be close with men.

If you're a girl and truly haven't ever gotten unwanted attention from men online or offline, then you must not look very good. I myself look like crap and frankly have no life, but still get unwanted attention from gay men when I go to the gym. Every reasonably attractive girl I have ever talked to, including my 53 year old mom, gets quite a bit of attention from men. My sister has stopped going to the grocery store alone because she has gotten followed around the store multiple times by men asking her if she has a boyfriend. She is currently dating some ghetto dude making barely above minimum wage solely because he is so "hot" and "all my friends are so jealous." My mom has gotten cat-called while she was driving her car. Both of them have gotten unsolicited friend requests/messages by people on Instagram and facebook. Another girl I knew who in retrospect was probably a 7 but her personality knocked her down to a 1 got unwanted attention from residents at our school, one who would actually wait outside the library for her to come out.

 

[ctaim]

If you're a girl and truly haven't ever gotten unwanted attention from men online or offline, then you must not look very good. I myself look like crap and frankly have no life, but still get unwanted attention from gay men when I go to the gym. Every reasonably attractive girl I have ever talked to, including my 53 year old mom, gets quite a bit of attention from men. My sister has stopped going to the grocery store alone because she has gotten followed around the store multiple times by men asking her if she has a boyfriend. She is currently dating some ghetto dude making barely above minimum wage solely because he is so "hot" and "all my friends are so jealous." My mom has gotten cat-called while she was driving her car. Both of them have gotten unsolicited friend requests/messages by people on Instagram and facebook. Another girl I knew who in retrospect was probably a 7 but her personality knocked her down to a 1 got unwanted attention from residents at our school, one who would actually wait outside the library for her to come out.

This is ridiculous. I'm confident in my appearance. Unwanted attention from many men becomes acutely disturbing and, at times, a violation of self worth. It is not desirable.
Let's move on to medicine now.

 

[Goro]

I guess you're like Neisseria...

You can't take a complement and vaginas hate you!

I am so stealing that!

 

[IsWhat]

It's Not Your Imagination, Single Women: There Literally Aren't Enough Men Out There

For anyone actually interested in the economics of dating in the college-educated world.

Interesting.

The ironic part of this is that money is shifting back to skilled labor (plumbers, electricians, etc.). Just as women start making advances in education - the high paying jobs stop requiring a formal education. We'll have a highly educated female population that doesn't make any money, and an uneducated male population that makes a lot of money. I wonder how this scenario plays out in the dating world.

 

[68PGunner]

Interesting.

The ironic part of this is that money is shifting back to skilled labor (plumbers, electricians, etc.). Just as women start making advances in education - the high paying jobs stop requiring a formal education. We'll have a highly educated female population that doesn't make any money, and an uneducated male population that makes a lot of money. I wonder how this scenario plays out in the dating world.

Give me an actual study showing that the money is being shifted back to skilled labor like plumbers and electricians. My understanding is that the money is going to tech right now. That's why you see people w/ a CS degree making 100+K out of college. When educated women talk about not having enough men, they're talking about educated men with a decent salary, decency, and taste.

 

[Wordead]

Interesting.

The ironic part of this is that money is shifting back to skilled labor (plumbers, electricians, etc.). Just as women start making advances in education - the high paying jobs stop requiring a formal education. We'll have a highly educated female population that doesn't make any money, and an uneducated male population that makes a lot of money. I wonder how this scenario plays out in the dating world.

Dude garbagemen have always made a ton of money, you think they were just crushin poontang or something?

And that makes no sense. The whole point of the article is that men aren't going to college so there's more unskilled laborers. Why would they make more money? We got more pipes and electricity or something?

 

[516662]

Interesting.

The ironic part of this is that money is shifting back to skilled labor (plumbers, electricians, etc.). Just as women start making advances in education - the high paying jobs stop requiring a formal education. We'll have a highly educated female population that doesn't make any money, and an uneducated male population that makes a lot of money. I wonder how this scenario plays out in the dating world.

That's partly because so many of the "educated women" have degrees in fields that pay very little ( journalism, philosophy, sociology, etc.). People who make good money have skills that are marketable (electricians, doctors, etc.). My undergrad degree was in something humanities related and I'd hardly call myself educated after just that.

 

[68PGunner]

That's partly because so many of the "educated women" have degrees in fields that pay very little ( journalism, philosophy, sociology, etc.). People who make good money have skills that are marketable (electricians, doctors, etc.). My undergrad degree was in something humanities related and I'd hardly call myself educated after just that.

So, you master the art of bsing... Yet, you can't translate that kind of mastery to the dating scene. I think you're selling yourself short...

 

[deleted103644]

This thread has kind of gotten derailed. Back to the topic:

Do women care more about Step 1 score or Step 2 CK score?

Step 2 CS.

It’s all about hand washing, English language skills, pelvic exams and DRE.

 

[516662]

So, you master the art of bsing... Yet, you can't translate that kind of mastery to the dating scene. I think you're selling yourself short...

The way I see it anybody with half a brain can go to a 4 year college, take the easiest courses possible while fulfilling premed reqs to get a high gpa, use that knowledge and study hard to score decently on the MCAT, get a bunch of volunteer hours from your local hospital, do a bit of research in your bio professor's lab, and just act like a normal guy during interviews. Getting into medical school is a joke. Even doing moderately well in med school and making money is easy- just hammer first aid and uworld and you'll get 230+ no matter how much of a slacker you were 1st 2 years, act normal on away auditions, then match into a moderately competitive field like gas, rads, or EM, and practice in a slightly undesirable location while living 30 minutes away in a good location and you'll be making 400k+/year. Even getting an Abercrombie models body (except the height) is easy- you eat a ton of protein and calories and work out every other day and you'll have a six pack. You have to be born with good looks and height to date an attractive girl.

 

[deleted731525]

This is not true at all. Dating criteria for med students at my school are pretty harsh, generally for guys its 6'0+ and attractive. For females, it's literally just having a pulse and being thin. And even in the real world, no reasonably attractive girl gives a **** if you're a doctor or in med school. It's all based on being very attractive. If you wanna marry an average looking/below average slightly overweight girl who works at target, then you might be able to as an above average looking guy making a couple hundred grand/year. At that point though you're better off just playing call of duty with 12 year olds in your free time, because that's going to be more fun than being with that individual. Nobody has ever been impressed when I've told them I attend a US MD school (when they asked what I do). The only question they ask next, which I find pretty insulting, is "oh so you must have a lot of debt." At which point I say "no" and walk away. Better off saving your time and money anyways for high-end escorts. They'll be cheaper and hotter than a wife.

lol

 

[VincentAdultman]

The way I see it anybody with half a brain can go to a 4 year college, take the easiest courses possible while fulfilling premed reqs to get a high gpa, use that knowledge and study hard to score decently on the MCAT, get a bunch of volunteer hours from your local hospital, do a bit of research in your bio professor's lab, and just act like a normal guy during interviews. Getting into medical school is a joke. Even doing moderately well in med school and making money is easy- just hammer first aid and uworld and you'll get 230+ no matter how much of a slacker you were 1st 2 years, act normal on away auditions, then match into a moderately competitive field like gas, rads, or EM, and practice in a slightly undesirable location while living 30 minutes away in a good location and you'll be making 400k+/year. Even getting an Abercrombie models body (except the height) is easy- you eat a ton of protein and calories and work out every other day and you'll have a six pack. You have to be born with good looks and height to date an attractive girl.

In an earlier post you whine about "not having a life.". My advice to you is to get one. Medical School isn't so demanding that you can't find stuff to do outside of studying. Put yourself out there. Talk to women. If it doesn't work, talk to other women.

But first ditch the damn self loathing. Now that's unattractive.

 

[deleted731525]

The way I see it anybody with half a brain can go to a 4 year college, take the easiest courses possible while fulfilling premed reqs to get a high gpa, use that knowledge and study hard to score decently on the MCAT, get a bunch of volunteer hours from your local hospital, do a bit of research in your bio professor's lab, and just act like a normal guy during interviews. Getting into medical school is a joke. Even doing moderately well in med school and making money is easy- just hammer first aid and uworld and you'll get 230+ no matter how much of a slacker you were 1st 2 years, act normal on away auditions, then match into a moderately competitive field like gas, rads, or EM, and practice in a slightly undesirable location while living 30 minutes away in a good location and you'll be making 400k+/year. Even getting an Abercrombie models body (except the height) is easy- you eat a ton of protein and calories and work out every other day and you'll have a six pack. You have to be born with good looks and height to date an attractive girl.

Either you are trolling or you need to see a therapist. Im sorry for whatever experiences have led to your current mindset.

 

[VincentAdultman]

BTW There's an entire forum on sdn dedicated to the idea that it's actually pretty hard to get into medical school.

 

[deleted103644]

The way I see it anybody with half a brain can go to a 4 year college, take the easiest courses possible while fulfilling premed reqs to get a high gpa, use that knowledge and study hard to score decently on the MCAT, get a bunch of volunteer hours from your local hospital, do a bit of research in your bio professor's lab, and just act like a normal guy during interviews. Getting into medical school is a joke. Even doing moderately well in med school and making money is easy- just hammer first aid and uworld and you'll get 230+ no matter how much of a slacker you were 1st 2 years, act normal on away auditions, then match into a moderately competitive field like gas, rads, or EM, and practice in a slightly undesirable location while living 30 minutes away in a good location and you'll be making 400k+/year. Even getting an Abercrombie models body (except the height) is easy- you eat a ton of protein and calories and work out every other day and you'll have a six pack. You have to be born with good looks and height to date an attractive girl.

You know you’re wrong, right?

I’m guessing you’re short and more than a bit of an dingus.

It is unfair how girls treat short guys, but there are plenty of short guys who do just fine without being models (although you need to be outgoing and a little success/talent doesn’t hurt).

Your problem is that you appear to have a huge chip on your shoulder and are looking at women as various grades of meat. Why should a woman look past your height when you clearly only care about her looks? Looks are important but I’d rather be with an interesting 7 than a stupid 9 (if we’re talking more than one night).

 

[deleted103644]

BTW There's an entire forum on sdn dedicated to the idea that it's actually pretty hard to get into medical school.

Definitely harder to get in than to get through it.

 

[VincentAdultman]

Definitely harder to get in than to get through it.

For sure.

 

[68PGunner]

The way I see it anybody with half a brain can go to a 4 year college, take the easiest courses possible while fulfilling premed reqs to get a high gpa, use that knowledge and study hard to score decently on the MCAT, get a bunch of volunteer hours from your local hospital, do a bit of research in your bio professor's lab, and just act like a normal guy during interviews. Getting into medical school is a joke. Even doing moderately well in med school and making money is easy- just hammer first aid and uworld and you'll get 230+ no matter how much of a slacker you were 1st 2 years, act normal on away auditions, then match into a moderately competitive field like gas, rads, or EM, and practice in a slightly undesirable location while living 30 minutes away in a good location and you'll be making 400k+/year. Even getting an Abercrombie models body (except the height) is easy- you eat a ton of protein and calories and work out every other day and you'll have a six pack. You have to be born with good looks and height to date an attractive girl.

I think your main problem is that you are extremely inefficient at triaging women in the dating scene along with your lack of confidence and insecurity. There will be women that will put height at a pedestal. Luckily, for you, the majority of women are very open and flexible in term of their def of attractiveness. Finally, if you're fit and have good skin, you're def above average in term of look for a guy. That's a fact that comes from personal experience. It's not that hard for a guy to improve physical fitness and skin quality.

Just like medical school, height is just one factor. Your attractiveness is multifactorial. So, if you are short as in shorter than 5'7 as a dude, you need to make up for that deficit with other stuff like:

1) Good sense of humor
2) Money/prestige/career/car blah... (basically the superficial stuff)
3) Kindness, generosity, blah...

 

[IsWhat]

Dude garbagemen have always made a ton of money, you think they were just crushin poontang or something?

And that makes no sense. The whole point of the article is that men aren't going to college so there's more unskilled laborers. Why would they make more money? We got more pipes and electricity or something?

Plumber/Electrician are skilled trades (apprenticeship, trade school, etc.). These professions are in huge demand right now, and they pay really well. I have multiple family members in both fields, and they all make over six figures - which seems to be the norm for experienced folks.

You are confusing skilled vs unskilled labor.

 

[IsWhat]

Give me an actual study showing that the money is being shifted back to skilled labor like plumbers and electricians. My understanding is that the money is going to tech right now. That's why you see people w/ a CS degree making 100+K out of college. When educated women talk about not having enough men, they're talking about educated men with a decent salary, decency, and taste.

This issue isn't completely black and white - like if one industry is doing well everything else must be down. The tech industry is booming right now, obviously, but skilled labor is on the rise too. We are in a weird time where going to college is becoming less and less fruitful for most people outside of engineering and CS. And the majority of those pursuing engineering and CS degrees are men.

I guess I don't understand how it's a problem for women dating someone with less education than themselves. I suppose a "college education" and success have historically been tightly linked, and nobody with a humanities degree got the memo it doesn't work like that anymore.

 

[516662]

You know you’re wrong, right?
I’m guessing you’re short and more than a bit of an dingus...

I'm 5'8, never been called short but I sure feel small. Its all good dude, I appreciate you trying to help, but I basically hate all women from that chip like you say, so hopefully I'll somehow become asexual or gay in the future. Peace.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

The way I see it anybody with half a brain can go to a 4 year college, take the easiest courses possible while fulfilling premed reqs to get a high gpa, use that knowledge and study hard to score decently on the MCAT, get a bunch of volunteer hours from your local hospital, do a bit of research in your bio professor's lab, and just act like a normal guy during interviews. Getting into medical school is a joke. Even doing moderately well in med school and making money is easy- just hammer first aid and uworld and you'll get 230+ no matter how much of a slacker you were 1st 2 years, act normal on away auditions, then match into a moderately competitive field like gas, rads, or EM, and practice in a slightly undesirable location while living 30 minutes away in a good location and you'll be making 400k+/year. Even getting an Abercrombie models body (except the height) is easy- you eat a ton of protein and calories and work out every other day and you'll have a six pack. You have to be born with good looks and height to date an attractive girl.

Major bias right here. You absolutely MUST be intelligent to make it into and survive med school. It's simple to say it's easy but I'm sure a guy running a 10.5 in the 100 meters also feels it's easy. But does the naturally chubbier kid also think it's easy when he trains hours with no result? Plenty of kids in school (who are of average intelligence) could never get a decent grade in most premed weeder classes no matter how hard they try.

There's a reason you need to get well above avg (percentile wise) on the MCAT to get into med school. You need to be literally better than others... others who studied a lot like you.

You know you’re wrong, right?

I’m guessing you’re short and more than a bit of an dingus.

It is unfair how girls treat short guys, but there are plenty of short guys who do just fine without being models (although you need to be outgoing and a little success/talent doesn’t hurt).

Your problem is that you appear to have a huge chip on your shoulder and are looking at women as various grades of meat. Why should a woman look past your height when you clearly only care about her looks? Looks are important but I’d rather be with an interesting 7 than a stupid 9 (if we’re talking more than one night).

Problem with this post is you're still demanding someone who's way above average in looks (a "7"). Its like saying, I'd rather have a nice Audi with lower maintenance than a Maserati. So you're defeating your own point...
For most guys who look average (by definition), putting maximum effort into their looks = still average. Girls get a solid bump from makeup and clothing but again no one goes from average to super hot.
I do think height is overrated but face is certainly a strong #1 regardless of gender.

The odd time I've known or seen girls with worse looking guys is when the girl had major issues of some sort. Examples include girls who were former escorts, ones who'd cheat nonstop, had multiple men at once, borderline personality with major insecure, drinking problems and so on.
Again, why would a girl go below her own level when she has so many options at her own level?

 

[68PGunner]

This issue isn't completely black and white - like if one industry is doing well everything else must be down. The tech industry is booming right now, obviously, but skilled labor is on the rise too. We are in a weird time where going to college is becoming less and less fruitful for most people outside of engineering and CS. And the majority of those pursuing engineering and CS degrees are men.

I guess I don't understand how it's a problem for women dating someone with less education than themselves. I suppose a "college education" and success have historically been tightly linked, and nobody with a humanities degree got the memo it doesn't work like that anymore.

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Women due to natural selection tend to select men with higher % for childbearing success as in look, height, alpha status in the community, and resources. Our society over the past 20 years has ingrained the idea that education = increased resources. It's a temporary brainwash mechanism. I don't think women give a crap about dating sports athletes that are college dropouts.

 

[edgerock24]

I'm 5'8, never been called short but I sure feel small. Its all good dude, I appreciate you trying to help, but I basically hate all women from that chip like you say, so hopefully I'll somehow become asexual or gay in the future. Peace.

You should refrain from giving such strong opinions ("advice?") until you've worked out your own resentment toward women. No wonder why you haven't been successful in this area.

@MedicineZ0Z , you sound like an 18-22 year old who reads pick up artist forums too much, whilst never actually speaking to women in real life.

Everything you've stated is, for the most part, incorrect.


Sincerely,
Average height dude who has been fortunate enough to date many hot girls even though some guy on SDN says it's impossible.

 

[MDtb02]

tinder with white coat pix

Everyone that liked this is gross

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

You know you’re wrong, right?

I’m guessing you’re short and more than a bit of an dingus.

It is unfair how girls treat short guys, but there are plenty of short guys who do just fine without being models (although you need to be outgoing and a little success/talent doesn’t hurt).

Your problem is that you appear to have a huge chip on your shoulder and are looking at women as various grades of meat. Why should a woman look past your height when you clearly only care about her looks? Looks are important but I’d rather be with an interesting 7 than a stupid 9 (if we’re talking more than one night).

You should refrain from giving such strong opinions ("advice?") until you've worked out your own resentment toward women. No wonder why you haven't been successful in this area.

@MedicineZ0Z , you sound like an 18-22 year old who reads pick up artist forums too much, whilst never actually speaking to women in real life.

Everything you've stated is, for the most part, incorrect.


Sincerely,
Average height dude who has been fortunate enough to date many hot girls even though some guy on SDN says it's impossible.

You have no idea what exps I do and don't have. Also I'm strongly opposed to pick up artist nonsense & find "redpillers" comical.

Also where did I argue about height? Tons of average height guys do more than okay. I think that there are always a variety of variables that go into dating but to say that facial aesthetics aren't #1 is being plain delusional.

Men's Looks Matter More Than Women Admit, Study Shows

Is Love Really Blind? A New Survey Provides Answers | HuffPost

But who cares about studies or even common sense right?

 

[failedatlife]

Dating apps are responsible for 95% of the female resentment in America. Everything was all fun and games until we truly figured out what was going through that mind of theirs.

 

[deleted103644]

Major bias right here. You absolutely MUST be intelligent to make it into and survive med school. It's simple to say it's easy but I'm sure a guy running a 10.5 in the 100 meters also feels it's easy. But does the naturally chubbier kid also think it's easy when he trains hours with no result? Plenty of kids in school (who are of average intelligence) could never get a decent grade in most premed weeder classes no matter how hard they try.

There's a reason you need to get well above avg (percentile wise) on the MCAT to get into med school. You need to be literally better than others... others who studied a lot like you.

By most metrics I’m pretty smart (and exceedingly humble), but none of the truly scary intelligent people I have known have ended up in medicine.

The mercenary ones went into finance, the ones with political aspirations went into law, and those who were actually interested in science are going to make real discoveries there without an MD.

Problem with this post is you're still demanding someone who's way above average in looks (a "7"). Its like saying, I'd rather have a nice Audi with lower maintenance than a Maserati. So you're defeating your own point...

As I said above, exceedingly humble.

And the numbers are pretty arbitrary/meaningless.

For most guys who look average (by definition), putting maximum effort into their looks = still average. Girls get a solid bump from makeup and clothing but again no one goes from average to super hot.
I do think height is overrated but face is certainly a strong #1 regardless of gender.

The odd time I've known or seen girls with worse looking guys is when the girl had major issues of some sort. Examples include girls who were former escorts, ones who'd cheat nonstop, had multiple men at once, borderline personality with major insecure, drinking problems and so on.
Again, why would a girl go below her own level when she has so many options at her own level?

Looks obviously matter, but for whatever reason they seem to matter more for male preference than female preference (on average). There’s a reason gay guys are (again, on average) in better shape and pay more attention to their appearance than straight guys.

It really sounds like you don’t have much of a clue what you’re talking about...