Mission ImpoWWssible Game Thread

[KayJayQueue]

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Sure.

Spoiler: In the event that you flip village and I’m re-evaluating things from the ground up:

Genny – I’d still consider village based on the timing of the Clem vote and the way she championed it. That kind of timing and commitment feels too village to doubt.

PSV – Honestly, no matter how your flip turns out, I just can’t see Wolf!PSV pulling a move like this, at this stage of the game. Her move here feels too genuine to think she's not village.

mkg323 – I’ve really gone back and forth on her. I've like a decent amount of what I've seen today so my feeling is I'll probably move her up in my reads, after I go back and look through her posts again.

FruitSalad – I haven’t seen enough genuine solving effort to confidently village read this slot. That said, I do want to be cautious of easy misyeet bait, so I’ll keep that in mind. Sometimes, you just need to flip over the rock and see what’s underneath though. I hope it doesn't come to that and they post more so we can get a better sense of whether or not the fruit has gone fuzzy.

SAR – Like FruitSalad, I just haven’t seen enough to make a call here (also I'm not good at reading SAR, since last game was the only wolf game of her's I've seen and I died very early). She’s wrong about her push on me, but I’ve seen that from village SAR before. It does make me suspicious, but I’m still trying to figure SAR out with what little she's given us, and without her incorrect read on me clouding my read on her.

Chic – I do feel like I can follow the logic in a lot of her posts, and they make sense to me from a village perspective. However, MK did bring up some good points, so if I’m re-evaluating MK’s alignment, I need to do the same with Chic and consider the possibility I’ve been reading her wrong.

Madrigal – Same as FruitSalad and SAR, I just don’t have enough to feel like I can get a decent read. Hoping to see more from Madrigal.

Vampyrica – I’ll need to go back and re-read your interactions with Vamp specifically with the knowledge of your flip, and see if anything stands out in a new light. In general I haven't found Vamp particularly wolfy, but I'll at least consider your arguments without assuming they're coming from a scum sided motivation.

So you wouldn’t reevaluate PSV knowing I’m town? That seems extremely odd. You’re just saying you’d need to go back and read again on half of these and hoping others post more for the other half. So most of your reads are “idk need more info” and that’s so fence-sitty that it feels like hedging.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Really though?
You're really arguing Wolf!PSV is making a wild D2 play like this when they lost a wolf D1?

The two options here are
1. PSV is scum
2. PSV is town and we assume her item gave a faulty readout

I would naturally evaluate both opportunities but to directly answer your question - I absolutely believe PSV is capable of ballsy play like that and I’m not going to just sweep it under the rug.

 

[Zenge142]

sorry guys I had to take a nap to recover from all the words I used earlier but im back 👌

Where's that interpretive dance?

 

[chicandtoughness]

You’re just saying you’d need to go back and read again on half of these and hoping others post more for the other half. So most of your reads are “idk need more info” and that’s so fence-sitty that it feels like hedging.

To be fair, if the flips do not go as we expect, I anticipate most of us will be in “idk need more info my worldview has been shattered” mode lol

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I guess if role don’t work like that here, then it’s meaningless. I’m used to vanilla roles all having the same name but the pokemon game shows us that’s not always the case. So maybe I’m just wrong and no one believes me because vanilla town all have different role names. But that’s what I am.

They don't usually work like that here

 

[Zenge142]

So most of your reads are “idk need more info”

I can't help that madrigal, FruitSalad and SAR haven't posted nearly enough for me to get a read.

It's arguments like this that made me certain you were a wolf before, and why I think PSV's seer of you is genuine now.

 

[mkg323]

Where's that interpretive dance?

we had technical difficulties, its pouring out and I cant cast my rod in the house

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm visiting family RN so I'm in and out. Shouldn't be on my phone but uhhh

 

[KayJayQueue]

To be fair, if the flips do not go as we expect, I anticipate most of us will be in “idk need more info my worldview has been shattered” mode lol

The fact that “everyone” expects me to flip scum with how I’m playing is legit INSANE to me while PSV gets a pass because “oh she’d never do this” is pretty hard to swallow.

 

[chicandtoughness]

we had technical difficulties, its pouring out and I cant cast my rod in the house

Just picturing a grumpy raccoon pouting by the window lookin out at the rain 😂

 

[Zenge142]

I absolutely believe PSV is capable of ballsy play like that and I’m not going to just sweep it under the rug.

It'll always be in the back of my mind as "What if PSV did this?!" going forward.

I'm not saying shes lock town!

The two options here are
1. PSV is scum
2. PSV is town and we assume her item gave a faulty readout

but of these two options, if KJQ flips town, I'm more inclined to believe the 2nd one.

 

[mkg323]

a vig shot would clear up these uncertainties much faster than wasting two cycles

 

[KayJayQueue]

I can't help that madrigal, FruitSalad and SAR haven't posted nearly enough for me to get a read.

It's arguments like this that made me certain you were a wolf before, and why I think PSV's seer of you is genuine now.

So when I flip town, you don’t want to lim PSV right? So would you rather be the lim? Because I’m town and you’re going to have to face that fact. You seem scummy to me this game and this isn’t improving the read.

 

[KayJayQueue]

a vig shot would clear up these uncertainties much faster than wasting two cycles

No kidding. If only…

 

[chicandtoughness]

MADS you’re here!! Please let us know your thoughts on this recent development.

 

[madrigal01]

Just picturing a grumpy raccoon pouting by the window lookin out at the rain 😂

 

[Zenge142]

So when I flip town, you don’t want to lim PSV right?

If you flip town, I don't think turning around and auto-yeeting PSV without considering all the possibilities would be good village play.

 

[vampyrica]

If you flip town, I don't think turning around and auto-yeeting PSV without considering all the possibilities would be good village play.

oh yikes.

 

[KayJayQueue]

If you flip town, I don't think turning around and auto-yeeting PSV without considering all the possibilities would be good village play.

There’s only 2 possibilities: PSV is town or PSV is scum. You want to bet the game on that coin flip? Not yeeting PSV tomorrow and PSV being town is a death sentence for town and we don’t win. Whether you like it or not, PSV has to die tomorrow for town to have a CHANCE to win unless a vig can come in clutch.

I posted the math as to why.

 

[madrigal01]

And I'm back on a laptop!! I can actually do things again lmao

I am,, overwhelmed by this development. Imo there is almost too much flavor in this seer device for PSV to pull it out of her ass. I am also curious on who visited KJQ and hasn't said anything, or do we think the PSV play is what prompted the rummaging comment from the mods? Can we really ignore the claim on KJQ? I do have to say that she's acting like a townie with a noose around her throat, and I'm hoping this is a simple one is mafia and one is village no matter what happens. This being v on v would be devastating to winning the game

 

[madrigal01]

TIL ass is not censored lmao

 

[chicandtoughness]

I guess if role don’t work like that here, then it’s meaningless. I’m used to vanilla roles all having the same name but the pokemon game shows us that’s not always the case. So maybe I’m just wrong and no one believes me because vanilla town all have different role names. But that’s what I am.

They don't usually work like that here

Feeling icky about this, in more ways than one.

SDN usually gives identities to everyone even if you’re just a vanilla townie. I’m pretty sure some of it is to prevent solves based on flavor tbh. So PSV may have caught KJQ in somewhat of a lie here.

BUT I also feel icky bc that’s not mech KJQ would have known and it does not feel fair to present a gotcha to her simply for not knowing how we tend to run our games.

Gotta mull over this more.

 

[madrigal01]

Also just need to get these off my chest, not important

@WildZoo 1000/10 propic if no one else has said anything

@mkg323 I want you to know that every time someone mentions you I read your name as machine kun gelly

 

[WildZoo]

Flavor cannot be used to gamesolve.

Oops, who dropped that snippet from rule #9? Well, I hear some people have a hard time reading, so maybe it's relevant.

 

[mkg323]

Also just need to get these off my chest, not important

@WildZoo 1000/10 propic if no one else has said anything

@mkg323 I want you to know that every time someone mentions you I read your name as machine kun gelly

you are not the first to call me that lol

 

[KayJayQueue]

Feeling icky about this, in more ways than one.

SDN usually gives identities to everyone even if you’re just a vanilla townie. I’m pretty sure some of it is to prevent solves based on flavor tbh. So PSV may have caught KJQ in somewhat of a lie here.

BUT I also feel icky bc that’s not mech KJQ would have known and it does not feel fair to present a gotcha to her simply for not knowing how we tend to run our games.

Gotta mull over this more.

If it’s not mech I know and I was about to fake a claim as scum don’t you think my PARTNER would help me with my claim so I can’t get caught on something that obvious?

The simpler explanation is that I’m a vanilla town that was told I’m an IMF Analyst and I assumed that’s what all vanilla town were told and I thought I caught others in a lie of not understanding what my claim was.

It’s why I said if you didn’t understand my claim, it says something about you and what you know. Because I assumed as vanilla town, any player that shared my role would immediately understand what my claim was. Only scum and PR wouldn’t know that was the vanilla town flavor.

Please understand what I’m saying 😩

 

[chicandtoughness]

I am also curious on who visited KJQ and hasn't said anything, or do we think the PSV play is what prompted the rummaging comment from the mods? Can we really ignore the claim on KJQ?

mkg and PSV were down my throats for spelling out the KJQ visits last night so that checks out for PSV (who seemed to want to keep her seer check until absolutely necessary and prob didn’t enjoy me pointing out that she could have existed).

Which does beg the question: what made you decide to reveal?

 

[fruitsalad]

Oops, who dropped that snippet from rule #9? Well, I hear some people have a hard time reading, so maybe it's relevant.

i'll admit i'm not familiar with mission impossible, so a lot of the discussion regarding flavor goes above my head

 

[WildZoo]

@WildZoo 1000/10 propic if no one else has said anything

Thank you, you have earned the favor of the modgod 😍

 

[fruitsalad]

And I'm back on a laptop!! I can actually do things again lmao

I am,, overwhelmed by this development. Imo there is almost too much flavor in this seer device for PSV to pull it out of her ass. I am also curious on who visited KJQ and hasn't said anything, or do we think the PSV play is what prompted the rummaging comment from the mods? Can we really ignore the claim on KJQ? I do have to say that she's acting like a townie with a noose around her throat, and I'm hoping this is a simple one is mafia and one is village no matter what happens. This being v on v would be devastating to winning the game

i dont think it's v/v either

 

[WildZoo]

All y'all need to acquire some culture and appreciation for a crazy man running through various cities for 30 years

 

[fruitsalad]

although i'm wondering what to make of kjq vs sar from late d1

 

[KayJayQueue]

All y'all need to acquire some culture and appreciation for a crazy man running through various cities for 30 years

Sorry I spent all the time I would’ve spent on watching 15 MI movies on rewatching the extended versions of Lord of the Rings. No regrets.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Which does beg the question: what made you decide to reveal?

Is this to me? The answer is because I knew KJQ wasn't liable to go over and my scum confidence in others is low. My scum confidence in someone who I got a red check on is much higher so I wanted to claim it to turn things that direction.

 

[chicandtoughness]

If it’s not mech I know and I was about to fake a claim as scum don’t you think my PARTNER would help me with my claim so I can’t get caught on something that obvious?

The simpler explanation is that I’m a vanilla town that was told I’m an IMF Analyst and I assumed that’s what all vanilla town were told and I thought I caught others in a lie of not understanding what my claim was.

It’s why I said if you didn’t understand my claim, it says something about you and what you know. Because I assumed as vanilla town, any player that shared my role would immediately understand what my claim was. Only scum and PR wouldn’t know that was the vanilla town flavor.

Please understand what I’m saying 😩

I understood what you were implying when you said it the first time, that’s why I dropped it to see if anyone else would respond similarly.

Your first paragraph does not make sense to me. You were clearly talking through all of this as if you assumed a certain situation to be true (all vanilla townies have same name/flavor). You wouldn’t have known it was a fakeclaim and therefore wouldn’t have had to check in with your team before doing it.

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry I spent all the time I would’ve spent on watching 15 MI movies on rewatching the extended versions of Lord of the Rings. No regrets.

Of my 5 pets, three are named after LotR characters

Why not both?

(the other two are NOT named after M:I characters though it would be really funny to name something "The Entity" tbh)

 

[KayJayQueue]

Is this to me? The answer is because I knew KJQ wasn't liable to go over and my scum confidence in others is low. My scum confidence in someone who I got a red check on is much higher so I wanted to claim it to turn things that direction.

Or maybe a partner was looking like they were in trouble and this was a surefire way to get me killed today with no one considering other options.

If PSV is partnered with zenge, SAR or maybe fruitsalad, this is a viable option. The more townread scum (PSV) needed to do it so the claim would be believed and she would not be yeeted before me.

Or she’s town and we got mega screwed.

 

[KayJayQueue]

I understood what you were implying when you said it the first time, that’s why I dropped it to see if anyone else would respond similarly.

Your first paragraph does not make sense to me. You were clearly talking through all of this as if you assumed a certain situation to be true (all vanilla townies have same name/flavor). You wouldn’t have known it was a fakeclaim and therefore wouldn’t have had to check in with your team before doing it.

Huh?

 

[chicandtoughness]

Sorry that last paragraph was convoluted, the words are not coming out right. Not necessarily that you wouldn’t have known it was a fakeclaim, but that you wouldn’t have known this was incorrect mech that you needed to check in with if you already assumed everyone had similar roles.

 

[KayJayQueue]

I understood what you were implying when you said it the first time, that’s why I dropped it to see if anyone else would respond similarly.

Your first paragraph does not make sense to me. You were clearly talking through all of this as if you assumed a certain situation to be true (all vanilla townies have same name/flavor). You wouldn’t have known it was a fakeclaim and therefore wouldn’t have had to check in with your team before doing it.

If I’m scum how would I know what my vanilla town role is called? That’s what I mean about faking a claim. Unless you’re telling me scum get told role names so this can’t ever be a way to figure out if someone is lying.

 

[chicandtoughness]

ANYWAYS. 30 minutes to vote close and we have gotten next to no thoughts from fruit and mads sooooo 🥺

 

[chicandtoughness]

If I’m scum how would I know what my vanilla town role is called? That’s what I mean about faking a claim. Unless you’re telling me scum get told role names so this can’t ever be a way to figure out if someone is lying.

You are correct. My brain went “well she could have just made up a role name that seemed accurate” but then that could have been challenged if you assumed everyone had the same names. I will take the fall on this one. Brain not working, it’s been a horrible day.

 

[fruitsalad]

ANYWAYS. 30 minutes to vote close and we have gotten next to no thoughts from fruit and mads sooooo 🥺

i'm trying to make sense of all this especially in relation to sar

i don't think kjq vs psv is v/v

but i don't think kjq vs sar is v/v either, that just feels really odd to me

if kjq flips w, that will certainly clear up a lot of confusion, and probably will push sar to v? i think?

if kjq flips v, i'd need to reevaluate psv

 

[madrigal01]

Honestly I had thoughts and then PSV dropped that bomb and they all went out the window

 

[KayJayQueue]

I hate that scum gets to sit here and watch me fight for my life knowing I’m town. It really bothers me that they’re getting that satisfaction especially if this ends up being TvT.

But for the record, PSV needs to be limmed tomorrow no matter what. I don’t care what anyone’s hearts say tomorrow, use your brains. Logic dictates that she has to die before elo.

 

[fruitsalad]

i just find it hard to believe psv is wolfing here

 

[chicandtoughness]

i'm trying to make sense of all this especially in relation to sar

Interesting angle to work from right now. You’ve been scum reading SAR for a while and have a vote on her, can you give some more concrete reasons why?

 

[chicandtoughness]

I hate that scum gets to sit here and watch me fight for my life knowing I’m town. It really bothers me that they’re getting that satisfaction especially if this ends up being TvT.

The nature of mafia, alas 😭😭😭

Gaslighting, but make it entertainment!

 

[fruitsalad]

Interesting angle to work from right now. You’ve been scum reading SAR for a while and have a vote on her, can you give some more concrete reasons why?

because i still believe the two leading wagons in end of d1 were w/w, and it's not hard to imagine why sar would last minute bus clem like that given her history of bussing in the previous game

 

[chicandtoughness]

because i still believe the two leading wagons in end of d1 were w/w, and it's not hard to imagine why sar would last minute bus clem like that given her history of bussing in the previous game

Fruit bb, you can’t answer my question of “why do you think SAR is wolf” by saying “because I think Clem and SAR were wolf” 😫