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No. I disagree with that plan. NCAA Major D-1 basketball, and quite a few mid-majors, provide revenue for the universities. It is a widely known and accepted fact that the PLAYERS (as in the stars that actually play) are training to play professionally, whether it be in the NBA or in one of the many leagues worldwide. The NCAA would be foolish to limit any teams competing in the post season if they want to continue to see top dollar from basketball. It doesn't matter to anyone if the kids graduate or not, it just makes a school look "cleaner" if they have a high graduation rate.
 
If they wanted to employ such a rule then it should be for the graduation rate of no less than 100%. That way the kids who really wanted to be there would be there and benefit from the education and the ones who were just going to play pro ball anyway can do that a lot sooner too.
 
msb1190 said:
No. I disagree with that plan. NCAA Major D-1 basketball, and quite a few mid-majors, provide revenue for the universities. It is a widely known and accepted fact that the PLAYERS (as in the stars that actually play) are training to play professionally, whether it be in the NBA or in one of the many leagues worldwide. The NCAA would be foolish to limit any teams competing in the post season if they want to continue to see top dollar from basketball. It doesn't matter to anyone if the kids graduate or not, it just makes a school look "cleaner" if they have a high graduation rate.
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They can still make tons of money on teams that graduate most of their players. UNC graduates close to 90% I believe, I'm sure Dukes is high, Kansas's isn't bad. The Big10 as a conference competes every year, and every year they have to pass on players, basketball and football, who get snapped up by SEC teams. It would just discourage these semi-pro teams places like Kentucky put together. They insult the term "student-athlete."
 
the game would lose out on SO much talent. it would never pass.
 
Yep, that talent would go play overseas for a year and then come back to play pro ball here. Didn't one of the fairly talented NBA rookies do that?
 
Squeal said:
Yep, that talent would go play overseas for a year and then come back to play pro ball here. Didn't one of the fairly talented NBA rookies do that?
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brandon jennings
 
msb1190 said:
the game would lose out on SO much talent. it would never pass.
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See I don't agree with that. The majority of the teams that would have missed out on the tourney aren't that talented of teams. And again I wouldn't penalize teams for players that leave for the NBA. Eight percent is just pathetic though, and offhand I can't name a player Maryland has put into the NBA the last few years. Did Strawberry make it? God knows it wouldn't matter if Kentucky missed it, whatever they accomplish is just gonna get wiped out of the books in five years anyway. Teams could still take their one-and-dones, and their questionable players. They just couldn't take whole teams of them. There would have to be some focus on academics. I hate it when a player doesn't go to class or put any effort into school because they think they're going pro, and meanwhile they're the only person in the world who doesn't know they don't have a chance.
 
msb1190 said:
brandon jennings
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Squeal said:
thanks. I don't follow the NBA too closely.
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College basketball is crapping their pants since he's doing so well. Others may follow.

Making money and living in Europe while gaining pro experience, then going to the NBA? Lot of high school players won't pass that up.
 
metallica81788 said:
College basketball is crapping their pants since he's doing so well. Others may follow.

Making money and living in Europe while gaining pro experience, then going to the NBA? Lot of high school players won't pass that up.
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Yea that worked out really well for him, but he took his family over there with him. Jeremy Tyler skipped his senior year of HIGH SCHOOL and went to play in Israel. He barely played, and has now left the team. He'll probably still get into the NBA, but he raised some serious doubts about himself there. No way he gets the money he would have.
 
metallica81788 said:
College basketball is crapping their pants since he's doing so well. Others may follow.

Making money and living in Europe while gaining pro experience, then going to the NBA? Lot of high school players won't pass that up.
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True, because then you don't have to act like you go to class or act like you're not getting paid to play.
 
no your plan doesn't work. you cant have your cake and eat it too. good players want to play with other good players and how can you not penalize someone for leaving early, they arent graduating, which is the whole point of your plan. it does not make sense.

personally, i dont care. when you recruit and sign guys like Derek Rose, John Wall, etc you know what you're getting yourself into. if coaches agreed with you or cared they wouldn't recruit pro prospects... which would be pretty stupid.
 
msb1190 said:
no your plan doesn't work. you cant have your cake and eat it too. good players want to play with other good players and how can you not penalize someone for leaving early, they arent graduating, which is the whole point of your plan. it does not make sense.

personally, i dont care. when you recruit and sign guys like Derek Rose, John Wall, etc you know what you're getting yourself into. if coaches agreed with you or cared they wouldn't recruit pro prospects... which would be pretty stupid.
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I don't penalize them for people leaving early because the whole point of college is to prepare you for your career. Its not my plan, I just think its a good idea. The fact that the UNCs and Dukes of the world can perennially pull in McDonald's All Americans and still have high graduation rates means it could work. It just penalizes places like Maryland and wherever John Calipari happens to be.
 
STLINI said:
I don't penalize them for people leaving early because the whole point of college is to prepare you for your career. Its not my plan, I just think its a good idea. The fact that the UNCs and Dukes of the world can perennially pull in McDonald's All Americans and still have high graduation rates means it could work. It just penalizes places like Maryland and wherever John Calipari happens to be.
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The whole point of college has nothing to do with sports.

You can't say that one person's reason for not graduating is excused while another person's is not. In that idea the player who is guaranteed millions is granted immunity from penalizing his school, while the so-so 7th man is forced to quit school because he now has a new mouth to feed and cannot graduate so the school is punished. I don't get it.
 
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The whole point of college has nothing to do with sports.
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Exactly! Its about preparing you for your career. So when schools are doing absolutely nothing preparing these kids for a career they should be punished. Now if someone actually makes it into the NBA, basketball becomes their career, and the school has done its job.
 
STLINI said:
Exactly! Its about preparing you for your career. So when schools are doing absolutely nothing preparing these kids for a career they should be punished. Now if someone actually makes it into the NBA, basketball becomes their career, and the school has done its job.
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No. College is not instrumental in producing NBA athletes. See: LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnet, Brandon Jennings, etc.

In other countries they play professionally as teenagers.
 
msb1190 said:
No. College is not instrumental in producing NBA athletes. See: LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnet, Brandon Jennings, etc.

In other countries they play professionally as teenagers.
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I know, but this is a completely different discussion. I hate the one-and-done rule, its stupid.
 
Scrap the one and one rule and eliminate all of the rules that are designed to keep boosters out of the recruiting process. Let's see what schools are really interested in promoting their basketball teams. This would so much fun for everyone, especially the players. More guys would make 800k just for signing to go to a school for one year (ie: Michael Beasley).
 
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This seems like as a good a place as any to see what you guys think about the Secretary of Education's proposal last week. Basically he said if a team wasn't graduating at least 40%(i think) of its players they couldn't participate in the post season. Twelve teams in this year's tourney would not have been eligible including Kentucky. Maryland, with an 8%😱graduation rate, brings up the rear of the group. Personally I think this is an awesome idea, but with a few modifications to how grad rates are calculated. Don't count transfers, which seems pretty obvious. But I also wouldn't count players who get drafted either, as the goal of college is to prepare you for a career.
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I think that schools would sacrifice depth by recruiting a few really smart, motivated guys whose job on the team would be to sit on the bench and boost the graduation rate while the usual players continue to play until their eligibility runs out. Athletic offices can also provide tutors, funnel student-athletes to gut courses, and intimidate faculty who threaten a student's chances of graduating "on time".


Not every student who is drafted goes no to a lucrative career; some last only a year or two before going out with injuries. I'd rather see no draft until a student has completed at least 4 years of college but on the flip side, I do see how every year of college ball increases the likelihood of a career ending injury.

Intersting that the same does not hold for women's teams. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/ncaatourney09/news/story?id=3990040
And note the end of the story which hints at a racial disparity in men's basketball. Could it be that some athletes are ill prepared for college (the minimum SAT required for an athletic scholarship is a joke) and don't take it seriously because they believe that the diploma is meaningless, it is the pro contract that is what they're there to prepare for. (Although only a small proportion will ever play pro ball.)
 
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people saying that cornell has a chance against kentucky are jesting. have they not been watching kentucky?
 
Alright, I'm hoping the Huskies can pull this one off...Go Dawgs!
 
I'm amazed at how few people are at the game. Seriously, it looks like a high school basketball game. WTF.
 
chman said:
I'm amazed at how few people are at the game. Seriously, it looks like a high school basketball game. WTF.
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salt lake city is pretty far from syracuse and butler.
 
Syracuse & Butler game is pretty interesting right now...
 
indeed. i really just want to see the John Wall show.
 
Oh snap! Syracuse is gone!

The Huskies are killing me right now.
 
chman said:
Oh snap! Syracuse is gone!

The Huskies are killing me right now.
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You mean the refs. (Though Qpon and Thomas aren't exactly making it tough for them)

listen to the announcers on CBS too. Game was decided before it started
 
amakhosidlo said:
You mean the refs. (Though Qpon and Thomas aren't exactly making it tough for them)

listen to the announcers on CBS too. Game was decided before it started
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Yes, there was some very poor reffing going on. Teams from the northwest always get hated on by national announcers. But, the Huskies also threw it away. Very sloppy playing, trying to show boat instead of driving to the hoop, etc. It was painful to watch. They had ample opportunities to capitalize on turnovers, but they threw it away. Disappointing.
 
bring brandon roy back and then people might start to care. west coast hoops are second class
 
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Yes, there was some very poor reffing going on. Teams from the northwest always get hated on by national announcers. But, the Huskies also threw it away. Very sloppy playing, trying to show boat instead of driving to the hoop, etc. It was painful to watch. They had ample opportunities to capitalize on turnovers, but they threw it away. Disappointing.
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Agreed
 
if this kentucky team wins the title playing like this, i would say that they are arguably the best college bball team of our lives (minus uconn women)
 
brooklynblunder said:
if this kentucky team wins the title playing like this, i would say that they are arguably the best college bball team of our lives (minus uconn women)
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Of our lives? Not a chance. I can think of teams that didn't win that are better then they are (1997 Carolina comes to mind). They're a good team and they are fun to watch but they aren't historical status.
 
i think you have to see it played out though. i honestly thought mid-way through the season, this kentucky team would go perfect. i had wva over them in the tourney, but it they somehow keep a winning margin that they have in the tourney, its hard to not make an argument
 
If it was just John Wall or just Bledsoe or just Cousins that were leading this team to the promiseland (like 'Melo and his slightly subtler cast) I would agree. Kentucky has 4! guys projected to go in the lottery this year though and three of them are freshmen. They are just SUPER talented. I see what you're saying, but we'll agree to disagree on the historical aspect. I have a hard time putting anything with Calipari on it in the history books if you know what I'm saying haha.
 
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