Monster Mash WW - Sign Ups and Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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Addition to last post:

I was aiming at people I know have played and haven’t been wolves yet (to my knowledge, I didn’t search too hard for this). That’s why I was picking BJones and Stella.

That's not quite how RNG works though. Regardless of past affiliations, it doesn't make someone more or less likely to be a wolf in a different game.

 

[WildZoo]

Someone get me the statistics!

 

[bryndiana.jones]

@Stella Mudd do you have any thoughts on a lynch vote today?

 

[LetItSnow]

Is my assumption wrong?

*I* think so, but maybe not.

 

[bryndiana.jones]

Also, @youngkal do you have any other reason for voting for me? Since the mods just said it was 100% RNG, and they did not pick and choose who was going to wolf.

 

[Animal Midwife]

D1 Unofficial Tally

Yk (1) - mixy
Mel (2) - karabou, Cray
Coop (3) - am, allie, LIS
Mixy (1) - genny
AM (1) - jboo
bryndy (4) - yk, Snowy, Coop, Haxx
Karabou () -
Stella (1) - bryndy
MJ (1) - Coffee
LIS (1) - Mel

15/17

Deadline: 10 pm est (~5 hours)

 

[youngkal]

Also, @youngkal do you have any other reason for voting for me? Since the mods just said it was 100% RNG, and they did not pick and choose who was going to wolf.

Nope that was my only thought for D1. I’m just waiting for something stronger. As i previously said you were strong in WWinter and are good for village but would be a dangerous wolf.. gotta start somewhere

 

[LetItSnow]

Graveyard hours and on the west coast...I'm barely bleary eyed alive at this hour. It would help if those up at the crack of dawn east coasters would at least take note of the time difference before deciding how MIA I am.

I know I have had difficulties gettinf posts in ovsdall but i will play but understand later in the day. I came to say I didnt forget game

Ok, great. You clearly had time to read the thead, since you noted that people are "deciding how MIA" you are.

So since you've had time to read it - how about some thoughts, instead of just commenting about the hours?

 

[LetItSnow]

I'm probably not going to keep my vote here, but it depends on how Stella contributes. Coming on and saying "hey I'm still here" kinda give participation points, but not for adding their thoughts on the game.

If anything, it moves her wolf of center for me, because it's a single post that indicated she's had time to read (since she noticed people calling her out) ...

... but still didn't take the time to actually comment on anything.

 

[youngkal]

If anything, it moves her wolf of center for me, because it's a single post that indicated she's had time to read (since she noticed people calling her out) ...

... but still didn't take the time to actually comment on anything.

I get what you’re getting at but at the same time I’ve totally woken up checked my phone/done something and gone back to sleep. I’m not saying we should ignore it but i liked your idea earlier (maybe another thread) about giving some time.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

If anything, it moves her wolf of center for me, because it's a single post that indicated she's had time to read (since she noticed people calling her out) ...

... but still didn't take the time to actually comment on anything.

I agree here, but I'm pretty sure she's done the same thing before in other games as village. Not saying that we should discount her but just throwing that out there.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

@CoffeeQuestionMark I know you're new, but do you have any more thoughts thus far on today's events?

 

[LetItSnow]

I get what you’re getting at but at the same time I’ve totally woken up checked my phone/done something and gone back to sleep. I’m not saying we should ignore it but i liked your idea earlier (maybe another thread) about giving some time.

Yes. But...

1) It's never a good idea to make excuses for other people in WW. If they turn out to be a wolf ... great, you've just given them an excuse that they know you'll buy because you proposed it. So they can promptly adopt it. "Uh, yeah, I was totally sleeping and...."

2) Obviously there are ALL SORTS of reasons her pop-in comment may have been innocuous. It probably WAS innocuous. But the game is about finding things that <might> be out of line, sketchy, indicative of wolfness, etc. I certainly never said "AHA! WE CAUGHT HER!" because that wasn't my point.

It's why I liked ... Mel's? ... MJ's? ... comment about me. They're wrong, but it's the kind of D1 attentiveness that can be useful later.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

@CoffeeQuestionMark I know you're new, but do you have any more thoughts thus far on today's events?

To me it is strange that Stella has taken a lot of heat yet there has been no beef towards the other players that have been less active than her (MJ and Haxx). Additionally, that tactic didn't pan out in the rehab game against nyanko (I read through that one), so I think the argument seems weak and possibly done to get people looking in the wrong direction

But I'm still thinking

 

[bryndiana.jones]

To me it is strange that Stella has taken a lot of heat yet there has been no beef towards the other players that have been less active than her (MJ and Haxx). Additionally, that tactic didn't pan out in the rehab game against nyanko (I read through that one), so I think the argument seems weak and possibly done to get people looking in the wrong direction

But I'm still thinking

It's not the strongest, but it (hopefully) gets people talking.

 

[kaydubs]

Bald-faced lie. Both of them would hurt you.

Except you. Or only you? Hm...

 

[Melchizedek]

To me it is strange that Stella has taken a lot of heat yet there has been no beef towards the other players that have been less active than her (MJ and Haxx). Additionally, that tactic didn't pan out in the rehab game against nyanko (I read through that one), so I think the argument seems weak and possibly done to get people looking in the wrong direction

But I'm still thinking

Reading to catch up but I wanted to comment on this as an overarching theme and not just in context of this game

I'm so glad SOMEONE is pointing this out. We have players like MJ, Haxx, Nyanko, and Nohika who we just accept as lurkers regardless of affiliation, but we don't have that same attitude with other people when they lurk. Not saying there is fault or criticism aimed at any people in particular, but just an interesting phenomenon that irks me.

 

[Coopah]

Which is it then? Did I not defend my reasoning or do you just not like my reasoning for that vote? Because you can't have both. I have been defending my reasoning since I voted for Stella. If you don't see that then you need to go back and reread the thread. I don't think justifying voting for me by saying my vote isn't the "smartest" is a pretty weak vote, and seems almost sketch since I just want her to share her thoughts on this thread a bit more. Voting for people to get them to talk seems to be a pretty common thing in the games I have played.

Defend is different than didn't have a reason. I wanted to see you justify it, which imo you have failed to do. I completely agree voting for someone to get them to talk is a legit move, but you specified that they were quiet and you thought that was a wolf strategy and did not mention trying to get them to talk until after I mentioned it. I wanted to know if that was your reason because that's a legitimate one. Look maybe this is a miscommunication because I feel like I often find you wolfy, even when I'm spectating, but I have nothing else to go off of so far and a weak reason is better than none.

 

[LetItSnow]

Except you. Or only you? Hm...

Pffft. They'd both take me out in a heartbeat. While cackling gleefully.

 

[Coopah]

I mean, there's still six hours in the cycle. Why are you just singling out me?

The others voted after I said the sketchy things yours had no reasoning so I was wondering if you had one or not.

 

[LetItSnow]

Reading to catch up but I wanted to comment on this as an overarching theme and not just in context of this game

I'm so glad SOMEONE is pointing this out. We have players like MJ, Haxx, Nyanko, and Nohika who we just accept as lurkers regardless of affiliation, but we don't have that same attitude with other people when they lurk. Not saying there is fault or criticism aimed at any people in particular, but just an interesting phenomenon that irks me.

Why does it irk you? (Serious question, no nastiness implied.)

I mean, it's essentially just evaluating based on meta. When someone like Nyanko shows up and doesn't say much, it's *shrug* that's Nyanko's meta. When someone who doesn't normally do it - or who is a new player and therefore an unknown - does it, it's viewed with at least a bit of skepticism.

I think that's reasonable?

At least, as much as any "curse of the n00b" stuff is.

 

[Coopah]

Reading to catch up but I wanted to comment on this as an overarching theme and not just in context of this game

I'm so glad SOMEONE is pointing this out. We have players like MJ, Haxx, Nyanko, and Nohika who we just accept as lurkers regardless of affiliation, but we don't have that same attitude with other people when they lurk. Not saying there is fault or criticism aimed at any people in particular, but just an interesting phenomenon that irks me.

My point as well

 

[WildZoo]

Official D1 Monsterish Tally of Votes and Content Posts

Kal (1) - Mixy
Mel (2) - Kara, Cray
Coop (3) - AM, allie, LIS
Mixy (1) - genny
AM (1) - jboo
Bryn (4) - kal, snowy, coop, Haxx
kara (0) - LIS
Stella (1) - bryn
MJ (1) - LIS, Coffee?
LIS (1) - Mel

15/17 votes
Roll Call: @Stella Mudd @Mad Jack

@bryndiana.jones You are winning!

Content Posts (not including posts that are just a vote):

Animal Midwife: 2
johnnaboo: 0
Melchizedek: 4
bryndiana.jones: 7
youngkal: 5
Coopah: 9
Crayola227: 5
Stella Mudd: 0
SnowshoeDog143: 1
allieh8607: 1
Mad Jack: 0
LetItSnow: 9
genny: 3
MixedAnimals77: 3
Karabiner13: 3
CoffeeQuestionMark: 1
Haxx: 1

Deadline 10pm EST (4.25 hours)

 

[Animal Midwife]

The others voted after I said the sketchy things yours had no reasoning so I was wondering if you had one or not.

Just pressure voting at the moment. I'm prone to switching.

 

[Karabiner13]

lynch Stella

because of her "sit back" style. In the games I've played with her she barely posts and that makes it hard to pick up on her sketch level.

While going after quiet players can be good, this game has strict participation rules like WWhisk did. Going after the quiet/non-participating ones may not be such a great strategy because of that. If you have other reasons to think they're wolfy, go for it though

Ehhh you know my opinion on RVS/opening votes. I saw AM's vote and it doesn't mean much to me in the way of contributions, so I was wondering why not prompt her as well as Kal.
I just wanted your thought process.

I find it interesting that you put your opinion on D1 votes onto my thought process when you called me out. Shouldn't you be looking at how I view things and use that as well? You've played with me before and know my thought process so I find this weak

I originally misread it lol but i was saying i had got on posted went and put a baby down for a nap and came back so it was like an hour that i didn’t do anything not like all day that i was lurking. So i was just a tad thrown off lol. I have a lynch in now!

Interesting word choice there considering I didn't mention calling you out for lurking. And yes, you have a lynch vote in but that is only a small part. Keep posting and maybe you'll get off my radar

eh, I guess. I'm not going to apologize D1 if I want to second that AM's hi was a touch creepy (it sorta always is). What gets me in this game is, yeah, you don't want to answer for other people, but there's value in saying "hey, me too, I noticed that too."

I didn't expect a dissertation to come from YK, or that my comment would pre-empt his.

Maybe I crossed that line here. I haven't figured out how to chime in without stepping on those toes.

Don't worry about it. I just figured they wanted an answer from me. It is hard trying to figure out when to chime in without answering for someone

 

[Coopah]

Lol I'll take your word for it this once

lynch MJ


Thank you!
Yeah that is what I expected when I signed up but there's not much I can do about it
Give it til tomorrow for the confidence to show.

Why did you take his word for it exactly? Were you joking and I didn't get it?

 

[Melchizedek]

For the record, I wasn't setting myself up to waffle. I was just calling it like it is - your reason was weak as hell. Just like almost every D1 vote. That's just me being blunt.

I can see your point, though. I go pretty hard with my votes. It's not quite conviction, though - you're misinterpreting. It's more .... well, we have to vote, so I'm not gonna sit here and second guess myself all day long and fret, I'm just gonna go with the vote and let the chips fall.

I think I understand what you're saying here, but its just hard to reconcile your previous actions with whats going on now. I've seen you pick a person and just camp your vote there all day without unlynching until better reasoning comes up to lynch someone else, while fully acknowledging that you're being stubborn.

Ok I see your point, it's valid but also not indicative of a wolf. There are players like Nyanko who use this strategy as a wolf or a villager and there's simply no way to distinguish them. I think it's a bit unfair to target quiet people because they're quiet until mid-game where they've at least proven to have nothing to contribute. If the vote was to encourage her to talk more I'd be more ok with it, but as of now it's kinda a dick move. Last game is a bad example but there has been plenty of times when Nyanko is a super helpful villager but is still quiet. Just pointing out a potential flaw with your logic.

If anything, it moves her wolf of center for me, because it's a single post that indicated she's had time to read (since she noticed people calling her out) ...

... but still didn't take the time to actually comment on anything.

Why does it irk you? (Serious question, no nastiness implied.)

I mean, it's essentially just evaluating based on meta. When someone like Nyanko shows up and doesn't say much, it's *shrug* that's Nyanko's meta. When someone who doesn't normally do it - or who is a new player and therefore an unknown - does it, it's viewed with at least a bit of skepticism.

I think that's reasonable?

At least, as much as any "curse of the n00b" stuff is.

It irks me because we know that those people have a background of multiple games establishing a meta of lurking. I haven't been keeping track of how many games Stella has played, but I know she's new enough that basing a lynch vote on her for potential lurk wolf status is bad logic because we DON'T know her meta.

My point as well

I just read through and saw that you made the same point.

I had a whole case against Coops lined up but I realized that Bryn's initial vote on Stella never really stated clearly that it was to get Stella talking, but the way it was worded, it was implied. I don't think coop caught that subtlety, or did, but was prompting discussion out of Bryn to see if thats where that was going.

Coops V Bryndiana feels Village on Village to me. Keeping my vote where it is for now.

@allieh8607 If not for Coops, who would you want to take a closer look at?

 

[Melchizedek]

Why did you take his word for it exactly? Were you joking and I didn't get it?

Would have included this quote in my last post if I wasn't ninja'd but Coops is kinda proving my point that I don't think she's catching subtleties this game

 

[Coopah]

I think I understand what you're saying here, but its just hard to reconcile your previous actions with whats going on now. I've seen you pick a person and just camp your vote there all day without unlynching until better reasoning comes up to lynch someone else, while fully acknowledging that you're being stubborn.






It irks me because we know that those people have a background of multiple games establishing a meta of lurking. I haven't been keeping track of how many games Stella has played, but I know she's new enough that basing a lynch vote on her for potential lurk wolf status is bad logic because we DON'T know her meta.


I just read through and saw that you made the same point.

I had a whole case against Coops lined up but I realized that Bryn's initial vote on Stella never really stated clearly that it was to get Stella talking, but the way it was worded, it was implied. I don't think coop caught that subtlety, or did, but was prompting discussion out of Bryn to see if thats where that was going.

Coops V Bryndiana feels Village on Village to me. Keeping my vote where it is for now.

@allieh8607 If not for Coops, who would you want to take a closer look at?

that was the idea, it was that or go for an easy target or something that could be disregarded later. A whole case eh? I feel so special.

 

[bryndiana.jones]

Defend is different than didn't have a reason. I wanted to see you justify it, which imo you have failed to do. I completely agree voting for someone to get them to talk is a legit move, but you specified that they were quiet and you thought that was a wolf strategy and did not mention trying to get them to talk until after I mentioned it. I wanted to know if that was your reason because that's a legitimate one. Look maybe this is a miscommunication because I feel like I often find you wolfy, even when I'm spectating, but I have nothing else to go off of so far and a weak reason is better than none.

(I don't mean this as snark) but perhaps you should reevaluate your reads on me then? I think I have been pretty consistent in the way that I play, and maybe I don't always have the "best" or "strongest" lynch reasons (esp. D1), but I'm still kinda new and learning (same to you @Haxx). And I stated I likely wouldn't be keeping my vote on Stella when Cray had asked.

I stated one reason with my lynch, and that is because players who do not contribute much to the thread will not have many posts for others to analyze or look for inconsistencies/holes. Lurking is a strategy that allows for them to infrequently with less risk that they will slip up, say something inconsistent, or reveal too much information. This is the big reason why I voted for her. And as I type this, she has still yet to show up to the thread (I know it's still early). Cray just mentioned that she believes Stella is trying her hardest to play these games, and that may be true, but that doesn't mean it's still not a strategy some wolves use

Does this not imply my trying to get her to talk? And even now she's posted one comment, with zero substance.

While going after quiet players can be good, this game has strict participation rules like WWhisk did. Going after the quiet/non-participating ones may not be such a great strategy because of that. If you have other reasons to think they're wolfy, go for it though

I mention above that this lynch wasn't one that I really felt strongly about seeing through until lynch close. And you are correct, just because she is lurking doesn't mean she is a wolf, but I think trying to apply more pressure there is okay for now.

 

[Coopah]

Would have included this quote in my last post if I wasn't ninja'd but Coops is kinda proving my point that I don't think she's catching subtleties this game

I don't get subtly ever... one speed game I was a seer and I beat people over the head with it for days. It's ok we still won

 

[Coopah]

(I don't mean this as snark) but perhaps you should reevaluate your reads on me then? I think I have been pretty consistent in the way that I play, and maybe I don't always have the "best" or "strongest" lynch reasons (esp. D1), but I'm still kinda new and learning (same to you @Haxx). And I stated I likely wouldn't be keeping my vote on Stella when Cray had asked.


Does this not imply my trying to get her to talk? And even now she's posted one comment, with zero substance.


I mention above that this lynch wasn't one that I really felt strongly about seeing through until lynch close. And you are correct, just because she is lurking doesn't mean she is a wolf, but I think trying to apply more pressure there is okay for now.

... I don't think Haxx is new per say...
For the most part I agree with you. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on you but I could switch. I don't really want to die though so I'm gonna need another candidate.

 

[Karabiner13]

I stated one reason with my lynch, and that is because players who do not contribute much to the thread will not have many posts for others to analyze or look for inconsistencies/holes. Lurking is a strategy that allows for them to infrequently with less risk that they will slip up, say something inconsistent, or reveal too much information. This is the big reason why I voted for her. And as I type this, she has still yet to show up to the thread (I know it's still early). Cray just mentioned that she believes Stella is trying her hardest to play these games, and that may be true, but that doesn't mean it's still not a strategy some wolves use.


Went back and looked at the whisk and noob games and you're right. Although the above strategy was used by Sky in the last game (whether Sky was actually busy or just lurking or both we won't know).


Yeah I was wrong. I don't think I am usually too mean with my words unless someone is trying to twist them, but noted. This vote will likely be waffled later, I'm just going off of what posts are/are not on thread right now.

General advice but don't compare someone else's play to a completely different person this game. It's not as helpful as it seems and it's better to stick to this game as much as possible

The RVS is my least fave too. But it does seem to work to catch wolves sometimes, and often, the man behind that is LIS.

But today LIS' vote kinda wigged me out.

But now I'm getting paranoid of LIS, you, Mel, and Kara. Which I think was the exact tunneling I had in MI but Pippy isn't playing this time. And also had me defending a sketchy noob. Sigh.

I'm trying really hard not to get uber paranoid of AM and Coopah. Coop is reading village to me, for the first time ever. I think I'm just reading her better now. But I'm not sure I've seen her as a wolf.

There the wash cycle of paranoia begins.

Who is the you that you refer to that you are paranoid of? (I bolded it above)

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Why did you take his word for it exactly? Were you joking and I didn't get it?

I'm at work now so can't reply after this
I still feel like I don't know what Im doing. Kind of wanted to start serious tomorrow

 

[bryndiana.jones]

... I don't think Haxx is new per say...
For the most part I agree with you. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on you but I could switch. I don't really want to die though so I'm gonna need another candidate.

I meant the tag of Haxx to be me addressing his/her voting to lynch me.

General advice but don't compare someone else's play to a completely different person this game. It's not as helpful as it seems and it's better to stick to this game as much as possible

I was initially trying to compare Stella to her previous play, but I was incorrect about Stella ever being a wolf. Then I was just trying to talk about general strategy🙂

 

[Haxx]

... I don't think Haxx is new per say...
For the most part I agree with you. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on you but I could switch. I don't really want to die though so I'm gonna need another candidate.

Yeah, definitely not new to WW. I've just limited the number of games I've played recently because of (human med for those who don't know me) school. Now I'm a 4th year and I have more time. My vote stays where it is, unless there's a compelling (and I know that's difficult D1) reason for me to change it. My play style is consistently quality over quantity, and therefore I get suspicious when others do the exact opposite.

 

[Haxx]

I meant the tag of Haxx to be me addressing his/her voting to lynch me.


I was initially trying to compare Stella to her previous play, but I was incorrect about Stella ever being a wolf. Then I was just trying to talk about general strategy🙂

See reply above, and "his". 😛

 

[Karabiner13]

@bryndiana.jones do you have anything to say about Stella coming on and posting? Still planning to stay there?

How about yourself? Are you still planning to stay on kal?

That's not quite how RNG works though. Regardless of past affiliations, it doesn't make someone more or less likely to be a wolf in a different game.

Don't start taking us down the statistics roads. We've already witnessed the nightmare that can become

Would have included this quote in my last post if I wasn't ninja'd but Coops is kinda proving my point that I don't think she's catching subtleties this game

Coop beat me to it but can confirm, she does not do subtly

I'm going to keep my vote on Mel for now. May still waffle tonight

 

[kaydubs]

Pffft. They'd both take me out in a heartbeat. While cackling gleefully.

I would never

 

[Karabiner13]

@johnnaboo are you going to stay on AM? Who would you vote for if not AM?

 

[Mad Jack]

lynch mel

bwahaha

 

[MixedAnimals77]

hi

Lynch Coop

because I'm so original.

Always.

Is my assumption wrong?



I wish.

Just pressure voting at the moment. I'm prone to switching.

I don't like the simplicity of AM's answers...not ready to lynch there quite yet, but definitely some sketch points. I would like to of course hear more from the people that have yet to vote, but I'd like to hear more from jboo. They gave AM sketch points, gave great advice to Coffee then poofed I would like game views from @johnnaboo
On another note YK isn't giving me feels yet but I'm not sure of my lynch going forward but for now definitely
Unlynch YK

 

[youngkal]

@genny anyone besides Mixy on lawpys behalf?

 

[Melchizedek]

lynch mel

bwahaha

I'm going to SO enjoy Dubz having to modkill you for no content 😛

 

[Mad Jack]

I'm going to SO enjoy Dubz having to modkill you for no content 😛

bwahaha is content, it implies I am amused by my actions

 

[Melchizedek]

bwahaha is content, it implies I am amused by my actions

Don't get me wrong, I see and acknowledge what you did. I'm just waiting for content post #3

 

[WildZoo]

lynch mel

bwahaha

I would count this if it had made a tie. Sadly, no content here 😛

 

[MixedAnimals77]

How about yourself? Are you still planning to stay on kal?



Don't start taking us down the statistics roads. We've already witnessed the nightmare that can become



Coop beat me to it but can confirm, she does not do subtly

I'm going to keep my vote on Mel for now. May still waffle tonight

Answered! I will lynch vote closer to close because I'm about to be gone for a few hours and give who on why then. Will also break any ties at that time if there are any. Although currently leaning MJ (no reason on Mel? maybe this is a thing they do?) Jboo or AM. Would consider others following more interaction. Not feeling the coop or brynd lynch yet because coop is always sketchy but is making some sense and then I'm not sure how I feel about brynd's lynch of Stella like I get why Brynd wants to but I'm also against a Stella lynch right at this moment just because it is D1 and I want them to post some strategy first. Plus then it'd be me lynching one of them for a bandwagon and I'm not going to do that when I currently don't have strong feels one way or another.

 

[WildZoo]

Official D1 Monsterish Tally of Votes and Content Posts

Kal (0) - Mixy
Mel (3) - Kara, Cray, MJ
Coop (3) - AM, allie, LIS
Mixy (1) - genny
AM (1) - jboo
Bryn (4) - kal, snowy, coop, Haxx
kara (0) - LIS
Stella (1) - bryn
MJ (1) - LIS, Coffee?
LIS (1) - Mel

15/17 votes
Roll Call: @Stella Mudd

@bryndiana.jones You are winning!

Content Posts (not including posts that are just a vote):

Animal Midwife: 3
johnnaboo: 0
Melchizedek: 6
bryndiana.jones: 9
youngkal: 6
Coopah: 12
Crayola227: 5
Stella Mudd: 0
SnowshoeDog143: 1
allieh8607: 1
Mad Jack: 0
LetItSnow: 9
genny: 3
MixedAnimals77: 4
Karabiner13: 7
CoffeeQuestionMark: 2
Haxx: 2

Deadline 10pm EST (~3 hours)

 

[bryndiana.jones]

Answered! I will lynch vote closer to close because I'm about to be gone for a few hours and give who on why then. Will also break any ties at that time if there are any. Although currently leaning MJ (no reason on Mel? maybe this is a thing they do?) Jboo or AM. Would consider others following more interaction. Not feeling the coop or brynd lynch yet because coop is always sketchy but is making some sense and then I'm not sure how I feel about brynd's lynch of Stella like I get why Brynd wants to but I'm also against a Stella lynch right at this moment just because it is D1 and I want them to post some strategy first. Plus then it'd be me lynching one of them for a bandwagon and I'm not going to do that when I currently don't have strong feels one way or another.

Jboo and AM haven't really posted much strategy either though...how would that be much different than voting for Stella?