MSTP Boulevard part 01

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Anyone doing these interviews on the same dates?

Baylor (Nov 29th/30th)
Yale (Dec 3rd/4th)
Chicago-Pritzker (Dec 6th/7th)
Hopkins (Dec 13th/14th)

I'd like to meet-up on-location!

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You da man dawg! Hey your itinerary is wild! though I hope you are not too jet-lagged from all that globe-trotting. Get enough sleep so you don't end up telling the folks at Yale why you REALLY want to come to Baylor. But Hey you're not going to see me at any of those great interviews. No more love for this cat right here. All I've got is:

Emory: Nov 27-29
WashU: Dec 6-9
Columbia (regular MD): Dec 13
Harvard HST: Dec 14
Penn State (might cancel): Jan 17

I would like to meet up with any SDNers. Let me know if anyone will be at any of these places with me. I'll be the guy in the bright yellow sports coat, leather pants, and really dark sun-glasses. I like to mac-out. You can't miss me.
 
sonichedgehog and original: those are some impressive interview lists. Unfortunately they are just "dream schools" for me. I'm very curious to find out just what it takes to get invited for interviews at those schools. can you share w/ me your undergrad institution, # of publications, mcat, gpa, etc or any info you would like to share with us if you don't mind. I promise I won't stalk u guys or anything...

anyway congrats. you guys have a very bright future
 
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I'll tell. I've got nothing to hide.

MCAT: 33S
GPA: 3.8
UMajor: Mathematics
Graduate: Master of Science (Mathematics)
U/GInstitution: Big No-name state school in South
# of Pubs: 0
Research: 4yrs Mathematics; 2yrs Neuroscience
Citizenship: Non-U.S
Age: 21
Extracurricular: A ****-load (All lots of fun) president of 3 different clubs.


Though if you ask me I think it's the mathematics that's making them crazy about me. My stats are only average at the top schools. The interviews are extremely important. I discovered this at my first interview. I hope that was helpful. Good luck buddy!

note: Stalk all you want. I've got a knife! :D
 
hey sonic -

i will see you at pritzker on the 6-8! i'm excited for that interview!

chef: aren't you interviewing at yale and ucsd? you are right up there! i wouldn't worry so much!

--sarah
 
Hey Sarah!!

That's fantastic that you're gonna be there at pritzker.. If your real name is Sarah, I'll find you... I don't know how many people are going to interview on the same date though. I hope it's not too many. Find me if you get a chance.. now that you know I go to Stanford, and I'm an international student, it shouldn't be hard to find me at all!!!

I just got my plane ticket from Pritzker today. It's going to be a blast... Shai-town is rocking some great weather these past few days. It's nice and warm there, apparently.
 
Anyone interviewing at these MSTPs on these dates?

Hopkins JAN 8-9
UPenn JAN 10-11
UCSD JAN 16-17

:)
 
Hey sonichedgehog! your stuff sounds amazing. I'll bet my azz that you'll get alot of offers. What a coincidence: I was president of the International students association at my school as well. Hey look out for Sarah at Pritzker. She's great! We interviewed at Duke together. Point of correction: I only have 2 offers (alot but not a boat-load like you implied)
 
Originally posted by MAPKinkster:
•Anyone interviewing at these MSTPs on these dates?

Hopkins JAN 8-9
UPenn JAN 10-11
UCSD JAN 16-17

:) •••

Hey MAPKinskster I don't have interviews at any of those places. Penn was waaaay up there on my list for a long time. I visited Philly early this year was TOTALLY digging the city of brotherly love. I wanted to make sure I went back there for med school so I decided to apply to more than 1 school there. I thought Penn State was in Philly so I applied there. If a brick head like me can get into med school, anyone can do it. Yep! But hey I hope I get lucky and meet up with you over there. My app has been complete there for almost a month. Have fun at your interviews.
 
Hi guys,

I am preparing for my BU interview next week. It's my first interview so I am kinda nervous. I have been reading over my own research, AMCAS, thinking about what to say, and etc. I have also gathered some info about my interviewers. I was wondering if you have any advice on how to go about doing this, seeing that many of you have been to multiple interviews. What questions were you asked? How much should I know about my interviewers? I have visited interviewfeedback, but it seems that the MSTP responses are very outdated.

Thanks guys!
 
Penn the 10-11? I am going the 13-14. Damn. Anyway: from what I know about Penn, they try to have you come when the department that you're interested in is doing some sort of special recruitment program; at least that is what their office told me. So if you're doing something where that department has their meeting much later in the year (say, January or Febrary) then it would make sense that you haven't gotten an official invite yet!

i love philadelphia. but that's just because i'm from there. there are DEFINITELY cooler cities (boston, chicago, etc).

oh, and sonic: the weather in chicago might be nice NOW, but i have a feeling that it doesn't mean much for our interview. it is likely to be really really cold and windy from what i have heard! argh. i'm jealous that you got to spend the last 4 years in relative warmth.

ok i must stop procrastinating. i have severe problems with this!

--sarah
 
hey original and sonic, thanks for sharing your info. You guys sound like great applicants but definitely even more wonderful people. It's kinda relieving that some mstp students out there are not labrats w/ 42 mcat, 4.0 gpa and no will to socialize.

It's even more refreshing to hear that you guys are not even from the US. Where are u guys from?
 
Sarah : I sure as hell hope Chicago isn't butt-freezing. I'm not used that weather, where I come from!

Chef : Thanks, man. You will do fine... I forgot to add, Original said he didn't have any publications... well, neither do I. As an applicant, I think I fretted about not having any pubs, but it didn't affect me at all! Oh, by the way, I'm from SRI LANKA - the isle of paradise, hell yeah!
 
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What do you guys think about writing thank you notes...
(i). Were they just hallmark-type cards, or did you write properly typed letters?

(ii). Did you write letters to ONLY your interviewers or sometimes to program-directors as well?

(iii). Did you indicate your interest in going to that school?

(iv). Did try alternatives like email?


The reason i ask this, is that I sent thank you notes, sometimes by email and/or by snail-mail. Often, my interviewers responded to them, with a clear indication of what they thought about me (often telling me how great I was). The way I see it, if they didn't like me, why would they be motivated to write back and tell me that they liked me. But then again, I worry about appearing as a brown-noser and have my chances affected, as a result.

What do you guys think about this?
 
Vader:

I don't think they told us during the interviews but do you know what kind of clinical exposure MD/PhD's get at UCSF? Specifically, are you guys able to do a clinical rotation before starting your PhD and then is there any way to keep getting some clinical exposure during the PhD years? A couple schools I've visited arrange it so that you are able spend a couple hours every other week or so shaddowing a physician so that you can at least maintain some connection to the clinical side of things. Obviously, you could always arrange something like this on your own, but I'm wondering if the school helps out with that and if the PhD faculty are cooperative.

I'm bringing this up on the forum (instead of private messaging), because I think it's pretty important as far as choosing a program is concerned.

Thanks a bunch,

Adam
 
ooh, i haven't written any thank you cards. maybe i should. i am contemplating sending a letter, after the next two interviews i have coming up, to my favorite school (although i can't say at this point which that will be) just restating interest (as in, YOU are my first choice). does anyone plan on doing anything like that?

i also have exactly 0 publications, and only 2 summers and about a year of part-time research, plus i'm doing a thesis this year. so my experience is paltry compared to a lot of people. i have good numbers to balance that out (37, 3.83) but i'm sure that my lack of experience probably kept me from interviewing at yale, wash u and cornell (my 3 pre-interview rejections thus far!). which is understandable.

-s
 
Originally posted by doraemon:
•Hi guys,

I am preparing for my BU interview next week. It's my first interview so I am kinda nervous. I have been reading over my own research, AMCAS, thinking about what to say, and etc. I have also gathered some info about my interviewers. I was wondering if you have any advice on how to go about doing this, seeing that many of you have been to multiple interviews. What questions were you asked? How much should I know about my interviewers? I have visited interviewfeedback, but it seems that the MSTP responses are very outdated.

Thanks guys!•••

It is crucial that you do a practice interview considering that BU is your first. I compiled a long list of questions (from interview feedback and elsewhere) before my Duke interview and I had my sister ACT as the interviewer. She randomly selected the questions and modified them as she pleased. Knowing your stuff definitely doesn't imply an ability to talk about it in a conversational, concise, and comprehensible manner. The mock interview is only necessary before you first interview. In addition to this, think of good and specific questions to ask during your interview. You'll inevitably get the "any questions for me?". Make them regret they asked that :D . Be confident and reach closure with yourself. Wrap things up and put a positive spin on every aspect of your app. It's all about PR. Definitely relax. Good Luck!
 
THANK YOU CARDS...
Yeah, I haven't been doing those either. For the regular MD UCSF interview, the package they give you includes a note asking students NOT to send cards and letters. They also ask us NOT to contact interviewers until we receive a decision letter (I asked my student interviewer for his email and he had to decline).

SARAH...
GOOD LUCK on your UPenn interview...it looks like we'll just barely miss one another. Which GRADUATE group did you sign up for? I did the Pharmacological Program because it seemed more interdisciplinary. I was surprised to find out that PHILLY and BALTIMORE are so close (I'm a native Californian =), and Hopkins was really nice to reschedule me to the same week.

ORIGINAL...
Unless you also signed up for the Pharm Grad Program, we'll probably not be interviewing together...but it's all good b/c we'll both get into UPenn and we can schedule our second visits together =)
 
Originally posted by MAPKinkster:


ORIGINAL...
Unless you also signed up for the Pharm Grad Program, we'll probably not be interviewing together...but it's all good b/c we'll both get into UPenn and we can schedule our second visits together =)•••

I like your optimism! I've been seriously toying with the idea of withdrawing my remaining apps after my next bunch of interviews which begin this wednesday and run till Dec 14. I'm starting to think it can't get better than Duke for me; considering happiness, money, location and the likes. I love Duke. I would have loved to see Stanford, Yale, UPenn, and Hopkins; but now I'm leaning more towards pulling my apps from these places and focusing on other areas of my life; as opposed to having to spend all of winter and spring flying all over the whole place. But then again with me you really never know

:)
 
to all the MSTPers who have interviewed/gotten in already/current mstp students:

How important is the interview in the final decision making process?

I ask b/c the chances of getting in to any MSTP program is relatively higher once an interview is granted, compared to regular MD admissions. For example, at Cornell, WashU, and Hopkins, you have a better than 40% chance of getting into MSTP if you interview (anybody have the stats for other top10 schools?). The same cannot be said for regular admissions.

I kinda get a feeling that interview is less important for MSTPers b/c MSTP directors are very #s oriented.

Any ideas/opinions/facts welcome.
 
Originally posted by Rumit:
•I don't think they told us during the interviews but do you know what kind of clinical exposure MD/PhD's get at UCSF? Specifically, are you guys able to do a clinical rotation before starting your PhD and then is there any way to keep getting some clinical exposure during the PhD years?
•••

Hi Adam,
Glad you asked that because it's something that they often don't make obvious at some schools. At UCSF, there is excellent clinical exposure starting from day one. The curriculum is integrated with basic science and clinical material, so what you learn takes on immediate clinical relevance. There are weekly clinical cases and PBL cases, which is an interesting approach to the material and provides some context for learning. Here is a basic run-down of a possible timeline with opportunities for clinical exposure:

1st year:
Foundations of Patient Care (FPC)- This two-year long block gives you clinical exposure from day one: preceptorship, patient interviews, physical exam skills, etc.
Clinical Interlude-
A one-week clinical experience, after the cardiovascular block, in which you become a member of a medical team on the wards.
Electives-
There are plenty of opportunities to get involved with patient care. Examples are U-teach, a program that lets you follow a pregnant woman through term and Homeless Health Clinic, a program in which you provide care for San Francisco's homeless.


2nd year:
FPC-
Same as above, but larger clinical role in preceptorships.
Electives
Clinical Consolidation Cases-
Near the end of year 2, this is a one-month period that integrates the material from all the previous blocks via review of clinical cases. This provides context for USMLE Step 1 studying.


Years 3-5:
Clinical Rotations
You can do, for example, one or two clerkships before beginning your graduate program and doing thesis work. I'm planning on doing at least the Medicine rotation before I start my thesis work. The program is very supportive of this and with the new curriculum, which ends earlier 2nd year, it will be even easier to accomodate these rotations.
Longitudianl Clinics
Some students choose to maintain contact with medicine during the thesis years by participating in outpatient clinics, which actually gives you credit toward the clerkships. This is also supported by the program. You'll have to talk with your research advisor to make sure everyone is aware of the situation, but usually they have no problem with it.

Well, I hope this gives you some idea of how it is possible to integrate clinical exposure throughout the program here at UCSF. I think that because both the medical and graduate schools are so strong, you'll have abundant opportunities to mold your education to your liking. :D
 
Originally posted by chef:

How important is the interview in the final decision making process?

I ask b/c the chances of getting in to any MSTP program is relatively higher once an interview is granted, compared to regular MD admissions. For example, at Cornell, WashU, and Hopkins, you have a better than 40% chance of getting into MSTP if you interview (anybody have the stats for other top10 schools?). The same cannot be said for regular admissions.

I kinda get a feeling that interview is less important for MSTPers b/c MSTP directors are very #s oriented.
•••

It is true that if you have an number of interviews (my former advisor used to say that 6 is the magic number), chances are that you will get in somewhere. However, this does not make the interview "less important." Remember, the people offered interviews (especially at top-ten programs) are all amazing individuals who have the stats, smarts, and motivation to attend any of those schools. Grades and MCAT scores become much less important at this point. What matters more (and where a large degree of the randomness of MD/PhD admissions comes into play), is your ability to interview well and the impression you leave on the interviewer, who will become your best advocate (or worst enemy) at the committee meeting. The subjective element of what your interviewers think of you will determine whether you are admitted, placed on a waitlist, thrown back to regular MD admissions, or rejected. From that point of view, the interview is of vital importance.

At UCSF, about 60-80 applicants are interviewed in a typical year, of which 8 are admitted initially. There is also a waitlist consisting of a variable number of spots, usually around 10. Thus, admissions here are very competitive. The numbers are similar for Harvard and a few other top-ten programs. Others traditionally must admit a larger group of applicants in order to fill their classes (like the schools chef mentioned above). This is something that you might want to ask about when interviewing at different schools. Good luck! :D
 
MAPK,

I heard from some friends who interviewed at UCSF about the same thing - that they did not want thank you cards for their interviewers. I don't know how that translates into other schools. Most other schools and interviewers didn't seem to mind. In fact, those who received letters from me seemed to love it and replied with glowing comments about our interview. My premed advisor and a number of other students have said that it's IMPORTANT to write thank you notes, to demonstrate that you are courteous and interested in the school. But I also know a bunch of MSTP students who told me that this is not easy when you're doing MSTP interviews. I don't really think writing letters helps your chances, but I don't think it will hurt you either. Personally, it gives me a good way to gauge what my interviewers thought about me (especially if I didn't get any input at the interview). They seemed to be a lot more open about telling me how they felt in response to thank-you notes.

Also, I'm schedule to interview at U.Penn on Jan 10-11, with the MCB program. But I have conflicts with Columbia. So I'm thinking of getting that postponed until Feb 6-7, which is their next interview date. Have any of you guys received MSTP interviews from Columbia? Do you know how many dates they have, and if they have rolling admissions?
 
MAPK,

I heard from some friends who interviewed at UCSF about the same thing - that they did not want thank you cards for their interviewers. I don't know how that translates into other schools. Most other schools and interviewers didn't seem to mind. In fact, those who received letters from me seemed to love it and replied with glowing comments about our interview. My premed advisor and a number of other students have said that it's IMPORTANT to write thank you notes, to demonstrate that you are courteous and interested in the school. But I also know a bunch of MSTP students who told me that this is not easy when you're doing MSTP interviews. I don't really think writing letters helps your chances, but I don't think it will hurt you either. Personally, it gives me a good way to gauge what my interviewers thought about me (especially if I didn't get any input at the interview). They seemed to be a lot more open about telling me how they felt in response to thank-you notes.

Also, I'm schedule to interview at U.Penn on Jan 10-11, with the MCB program. But I have conflicts with Columbia. So I'm thinking of getting that postponed until Feb 6-7, which is their next interview date. Have any of you guys received MSTP interviews from Columbia? Do you know how many dates they have, and if they have rolling admissions?
 
I want to put your brilliant minds at ease concerning the raucus involving 8675309 and myself on the acceptances as well as the Mortal Kombat threads. That was fun. However, to prevent any confusion I feel I should re-assert my acceptance to Duke's MD/PhD program. I'm also trying to test my modified signature. :D Check it out!
 
Okay, people here seem to know a lot about UCSF admissions. :) So...my question is, what are the chances of getting into the regular MD program overall, if granted a JMP and MD/PhD program interview?
 
SonicHH,

I think you've converted me...I'm gonna get cranking on writing some thank-you emails for my last interview. :cool:
 
Has anybody interviewed with Penn MSTP who is doing bioengineering?
 
Originally posted by none:
•Okay, people here seem to know a lot about UCSF admissions. :) So...my question is, what are the chances of getting into the regular MD program overall, if granted a JMP and MD/PhD program interview?•••


I'm not sure exactly, but you have to get accepted to regular MD before you can even really be considered for MD/PhD. So, I imagine that if you get an interview it's pretty much the same as anyone else, and that's pretty high, around 50% of interviewees get accepted. Hope that helps and good luck,

Adam
 
question: i see that a lot of people are getting ucsf rejections. have any of you mstp's gotten one? i know some people have gotten interviews there but i have heard nothing, positive OR negative, and my ap has been complete for about a month. i'm wondering whether not getting one isa positive sign or whether our aps are just sitting in some separate pile (mine in the "to be rejected later" one :) )

-s
 
Sar520:

My UCSF application has also been completed for over a month now and I still have not heard a thing. I don't know if it's good or bad.... Yet, I know people from my school who have gotten MSTP interviews. Do you think we should call and see what's going on?

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Have any of you insanely lucky accepted candidates (ahem, Original) pulled any of your applications? Especially if the apps you pulled are UIC or Penn State, for those of us not quite as competitive.....

Awesome job, to all those accepted. Hopefully I will join your ranks sooner or later...
Jesse
 
I cancelled my Emory interview 2 minutes ago. I'll pull my Penn State application right away just for you ;)
 
Done. I just cancelled my Penn State interview. Good luck! :)
 
You got me so excited, I just called up Columbia and was going to cancel my regular MD interview, but then I decided to just move it to January. If I don't calm down, I'll accidentally call Duke and tell them I ain't coming. That would really suck!
 
I just haven't sent in the deposit money for UIC MD (my MD/PhD interview is in January) and I don't think I will. I was really unimpressed by their medical school. I don't have any official acceptances yet, but I was told unnoficially by Iowa so I'm just kinda waiting for the official notice to actually call UIC and withdraw.

Good luck,

Adam
 
i skipped out my pennstate's md/phd too (and mt sinai) once i heard from case. hopefully you can take my spot! penn state is supposed to be a really great progrm. the problem (for me) was, it is in hershey pa . . .

-s
 
Originally posted by none:
•Okay, people here seem to know a lot about UCSF admissions. :) So...my question is, what are the chances of getting into the regular MD program overall, if granted a JMP and MD/PhD program interview?•••

At UCSF you are considered separately for the MD and MD/PhD. The interviews are coordinated, however, to be on consecutive days (for your convenience). You need to be accepted by both the medical school admissions committee and the MSTP council in order to be admitted to the MSTP. Applying MSTP does not generally affect your chances for admission to the medical school (MD). So at interview, chances are 50/50 of being admitted MD. Hope this helps. :D
 
To everyone that responded,

YOU GUYS RULE! I was mostly looking to inject a bit of humor into our happy family forum. Knowing I won't have to compete with the true allstars makes me a bit more optimistic. Starting this thread was the best thing that has occured on this webiste, and it's the only thing I come back for.

later, hosen.
Jesse
 
FYI-

I just talked to someone at the MSTP office at Hopkins, and she told me that they have finished offering interviews. If you applied to Hopkins MD-PhD and haven't heard already, you are probably rejected. Also, I found this interesting: When you apply for MD-PhD at Hopkins, the MDPHD committee will decide after reviewing your folder whether you'll be granted a MDPHD interview or MD only interview. So basically you get 1 shot.

chef
 
Hey chef,

any word on when the first Hopkins MD/PhD acceptances will go out? Or have they already accepted people?

Also, from what I remember at my interview there, they dont decide on funding for MD/PhD until later on. So I'm guessing that they might offer you an acceptance soon, but will give no indication on whether or not you get funded until the spring.

can you confirm this?
 
I just haven't sent in the deposit money for UIC MD (my MD/PhD interview is in January) and I don't think I will. I was really unimpressed by their medical school.

Why were you unimpressed with UIC?
 
anyone know how many applicants YALE MSTP interview every year? And How many acceptances do they give out? Any specific info on Yale would be great.

Baylor21: I know the MDPHD com met sometime in early Nov. and they offered some acceptances. dunno how many.

Re funding, that is 1 weak point of Hopkins. Despite the zillion$$ for research and their reputation, the mstp director can't seem to establish solid funding from NIH and they have only few funded slots. U r correct in that they will initially accept students without funding promise; funding details come later in late spring.
 
Originally posted by nochaser:
•Why were you unimpressed with UIC?•••


There are a bunch of reasons. The first is that it's not an MST program, so funding isn't really guaranteed. But, even more important than that, every student I've talked to (that's about 5, including the two students who had lunch with us) and some graduates of the program, weren't happy with the place. They felt the atmosphere was oppressive and that a lot of people there have only gone there because they didn't have any other choice (either financial or because they only had one acceptance). The students who had lunch with us spent the whole time complaining about the curriculum and other students. Now obviously that's not how everyone feels, but I found the fact that so many people felt that way to be disturbing. It's also a gigantic school, class size is around 300 students. The curriculum is very lecture oriented with very little or no PBL. I don't like the idea of sitting in class for 6 or more hours per day. The research isn't great, and really the only advantage of the place is that at UIUC you can kind of taylor your curriculum if you're doing a joint degree, especially if it's not in the biological sciences.

I hope that answers your question.

Good luck,

Adam
 
Originally posted by Rumit:



There are a bunch of reasons. The first is that it's not an MST program, so funding isn't really guaranteed. But, even more important than that, every student I've talked to (that's about 5, including the two students who had lunch with us) and some graduates of the program, weren't happy with the place. They felt the atmosphere was oppressive and that a lot of people there have only gone there because they didn't have any other choice (either financial or because they only had one acceptance). The students who had lunch with us spent the whole time complaining about the curriculum and other students. Now obviously that's not how everyone feels, but I found the fact that so many people felt that way to be disturbing. It's also a gigantic school, class size is around 300 students. The curriculum is very lecture oriented with very little or no PBL. I don't like the idea of sitting in class for 6 or more hours per day. The research isn't great, and really the only advantage of the place is that at UIUC you can kind of taylor your curriculum if you're doing a joint degree, especially if it's not in the biological sciences.

I hope that answers your question.

Good luck,

Adam•••

i'm sorry that your experience was so miserable, rumit, because it was the exact opposite of mine. but didn't you interview at the rockford campus? i've heard the same thing as you about the rockford campus--that it's just not a happy student body there, and the facilities are pretty bad (i haven't been there). i interviewed in chicago, fully expecting to be very underwhelmed by the school, but i was actually pretty impressed. contrary to your experience, all of the students i met during the course of the day simply *raved* about the place. what's more, they all went to great undergrad schools and had picked UIC over higher-ranked medical schools (yes, this was asked), and not just for financial reasons. i am not a big fan of a traditional lecture format either, but it's not like UIC is the only school in america using this approach--it's pretty common.

anyway, my point in this post was just to show how different one's interview experience can be. good luck with whatever you decide to do.
 
Hey Guys,
Well, I guess good things come to those who wait. I just got back from an interview, and low and behold, my first MSTP invite was waiting in my mailbox. I will be heading up to cold Minnesota for a few days, but I am really stoked! Interesting how things turn out, huh?

Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard from Michigan about interviews? Baylor21, didn't you interview at Michigan recently?

Hope all is well with you guys.
 
shogun,

Yes I got an interview invite for Michigan MSTP, but I had to reschedule it for late January.

They sent it to me via email and asked me to pick from several dates. They seemed very flexible on the interview date.

Good luck.
 
Shogun:

Wow congrats!!! great stuff. I hear it's really freezy out there though. My friend wears a mask to school in the winter :confused: But hey congrats again. Have fun out there.
 
HEY!

Did anyone apply to the CORNELL/SKI/ROCKEFELLER PROGRAM? I think they're going to make their decisions today!

SHOGUN: Congrats and good luck!
 
Got an interview via email for Penn MSTP today. Is anybody going there on Jan 24/25?
 
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