My professor is violating the ethics code, what should I do?

[RogueUnicorn]

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op just wants to be somebody. like bad horse.

he means ghandi.

 

[Juneilow]

Did you not notice his name is milkMAN? Obviously, like every straight warm blooded american male, al thinks a well kept vagina is a wonderful treasure. I would suggest that you grow some thicker skin about this and stop hanging out with pre-pubescent boys.

mmmcdowe, my whole endeavor in personally clarifying matters with Milkman is so this type of misunderstanding would not crop up. If you think it's only pre-pubescents, and only males, who have a misguided view of the vagina, you're sadly mistaken. Milkman (upthread) has clarified that he was indeed talking about a specific, particularly unpleasant slice of the gynecology spectrum, but this was not clear in his original post. Defending the view of my sex's genitalia ≠ having a thin skin.

 

[Juneilow]

And because we're getting really off topic, just wanted to say that I'm not angry and any further comments on vaginas can be directed to my Inbox if so desired. I'm always up to talk "shop". 🙂

 

[apumic]

And because we're getting really off topic, just wanted to say that I'm not angry and any further comments on vaginas can be directed to my Inbox if so desired. I'm always up to talk "shop". 🙂

You know I'm not so sure that's a good idea. This thread still isn't on the first page when you google "SDN Vagina" and being as the topic of the thread and this are so closely related... I think we should fix this.

 

[Juneilow]

You might be right, that is a travesty. VAGINA. Take that, Google.

(In actual fact, I've just Googled "SDN Vagina" and this thread was the top hit. With those two words from your post proudly bolded.)

 

[mmmcdowe]

mmmcdowe, my whole endeavor in personally clarifying matters with Milkman is so this type of misunderstanding would not crop up. If you think it's only pre-pubescents, and only males, who have a misguided view of the vagina, you're sadly mistaken. Milkman (upthread) has clarified that he was indeed talking about a specific, particularly unpleasant slice of the gynecology spectrum, but this was not clear in his original post. Defending the view of my sex's genitalia ≠ having a thin skin.

On the contrary it was pretty obvious that Milkman was referring to vaginas in need of medical treatment. That's what you tend to find on a in patient hospital ward, sick people 😉. Being overly defensive of your gender's genitalia = having a thin skin. Pre-allo is not /b/, go to the Lounge for bigotry.

 

[VikingLegacy]

baleeted

 

[apumic]

You might be right, that is a travesty. VAGINA. Take that, Google.

(In actual fact, I've just Googled "SDN Vagina" and this thread was the top hit. With those two words from your post proudly bolded.)

LOL

Glad to have fixed that!

Maybe our next project should be to get SDN to pop up for the top 10 most popular search terms:


lyrics
jokes
ebay
maps
games
napster
britney spears
marijuana
games
youporn

 

[Juneilow]

On the contrary it was pretty obvious that Milkman was referring to vaginas in need of medical treatment. That's what you tend to find on a in patient hospital ward, sick people 😉. Being overly defensive of your gender's genitalia = having a thin skin. Pre-allo is not /b/, go to the Lounge for bigotry.

I don't think it was overwhelmingly obvious (as my last several gyn visits had nothing to do with medical treatment), but it's been made plain now, no harm done. TBH it was really just an eyebrow raise at the word "nasty", which I don't think merits me the qualification "overly defensive". If it were "sickly", "unhealthy", "diseased", then maybe I'd concede I was jumping the gun.

napster

Haha! Please tell me these were the top search terms from 2000.

 

[IvyHopeful20]

Vaginas are nasty in a clinical setting. To be honest , so are penises.

Most people look pretty disgusting naked.

 

[morning]

Of course, without even batting an eye, a man will refer to his DICK or his ROD or his JOHNSON.

 

[MilkmanAl]

I'm impressed that me calling something gross got so much attention. The human body gets pretty disgusting from time to time, so don't get mad at me for calling it like it is. Keep your junk clean, and it's all good...usually.

 

[mmmcdowe]

I'm impressed that me calling something gross got so much attention. The human body gets pretty disgusting from time to time, so don't get mad at me for calling it like it is. Keep your junk clean, and it's all good...usually.

Careful, you're going to get another pm 🙂

 

[normtheniner]

Hello all,
Last week I had a very hard and long Immunology exam. Today, I went to see my proff during office hours about a lab, and one of the students who have not taken the exam yet, came. She gave him the exam, he asked where he should take it, and she said you can go to the LIBRARY??!?!? I was shocked> As pre-meds this is unfair competition, and I feel that this is not ethical of her. For me this feels that one student got a take-home exam and the rest of us had to sweat for 50 minutes. And the most arrogant think is that she said just drop it under my door, meaning she would not be around and had no idea if the other student took 50 min or 1 hr and 10 minutes?
What should I do if anything about this? She is giving back the rest of the class exam tomorrow. Thank you all!😡

My organic professor did the same to me. He gave me the test, stuck me in an empty organic lab, and told me to turn it into the office when I was done.

Did I cheat? Heck no! Sometimes the idea of living with a guilty conscience is enough to keep people from cheating.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

wow.. junielow is the least fun person ever

 

[nebraskadoc]

Thank you for your advices and opinions. For the people who said this situation is wrong you respect yourself and you fight for justice. For the people who said that this situation is alright and the problem is me and my "whining" and "complaining" I think that you compare yourself to a rug on which people can step over and over again. Tomorrow you will be a doctor, if you see something wrong would you let it pass only because it's not your business. This is the same. I am talking about a principle or professionalism and respect for all students. You can't give one student different testing conditions than the rest of the class. One thing to point out, she is a new professor teaching for the first time in my institution, and she doesn't know us well. Please stop with this crap bull**** honor policy because we all know that people abuse it, and the ones who don't have studied well and don't care either way. Taking a test in a library where you are secluded from other peers or professors is very questionable indeed. I was upset not because I was at a disadvantage but more because of the way she said it without caring about it. This is not only unethical but unprofessional behavior for a professor. I will not do anything about it because since the first post I have received an A- on the test, but everything is about PRINCIPLES in life.

Everything you said may be true, but at the end of the day you are still splitting hairs. This situation is a far cry from, let's say, witnessing a fellow doctor doping on meds or something. I agree that you need to focus on yourself. But, then again, it may simply be that we disagree on the severity of the situation.

 

[sustentacular]

To me, the professor was wrong--or at least pretty unprofessional--to provide different testing conditions to one student and be so casual about it. Yes, the student probably won't take advantage of it. Yes, even if she did, it probably wouldn't affect the OP's grade. But just because there is likely no effect doesn't mean we can dismiss what the professor did as nothing bad.

Some schools create individualized education plans for students with learning disabilities that can include untimed exams, silent exams, exams taken with aids to help explain the questions etc. I don't think you can just flat out say the professor is wrong. And there's nothing unprofessional about expecting your students to NOT cheat or take extra time if they're not allowed it. It's the student's responsibility to uphold the academic honesty policy of the school.

 

[apumic]

Recently, I had a student approach me. Apparently I had marked a couple of points off on one page of a paper that I then forgot to take points off for (i.e., the grade didn't add up right). I responded not to worry about it b/c it was my mistake (no his). Did I just "violate the ethics code"? I let a student leave without taking off points from his paper due to my mistake. Should I burn in hell for not punishing a student for his honesty?

 

[tabascosauce]

Recently, I had a student approach me. Apparently I had marked a couple of points off on one page of a paper that I then forgot to take points off for (i.e., the grade didn't add up right). I responded not to worry about it b/c it was my mistake (no his). Did I just "violate the ethics code"? I let a student leave without taking off points from his paper due to my mistake. Should I burn in hell for not punishing a student for his honesty?

no but you should have done your due diligence and marked him off.

 

[apumic]

no but you should have done your due diligence and marked him off.

Why? That's punishing good behavior. I want to encourage that. The reality is that a couple of points on 1 assignment isn't going to change the person's course outcome; however, it might change future behavior. I'd rather encourage honesty; wouldn't you?

 

[tabascosauce]

He already had the integrity to bring it up to you. His behavior probably wouldnt change. besides its not fair to the others who may have made the same mistake but were actually docked off points.

 

[Okone]

There isn't much you can do 🙁

 

[gravitywave]

He already had the integrity to bring it up to you. His behavior probably wouldnt change. besides its not fair to the others who may have made the same mistake but were actually docked off points.

someday you will emerge from your little pre-med cocoon and enter the real world, where things like this happen because people like to reward others for doing the right thing. in game theory we call this "tit-for-tat" and guess what? it really does make the world a better place.

my genchem prof did things like this all the time; he told us the first day of class that "if i make a mistake adding up your exam score and it works in your favor, the points are yours to keep." he was another one who let people take an exam in the library if they couldn't attend the scheduled exam 🙄

he wasn't excoriated by his students for this sort of thing; in fact - he was very well liked, in part because he did these things for people.

two points on a paper isn't going to bring down the system, far from it. get a grip.

 

[apumic]

someday you will emerge from your little pre-med cocoon and enter the real world

Best. Post. Ever.


May make this my signature. lol.

 

[tabascosauce]

get a grip? how about you do your job, quit being incompetent, and treat others on a level playing field rather than rewarding someone for your blunders?

 

[apumic]

get a grip? how about you do your job, quit being incompetent, and treat others on a level playing field rather than rewarding someone for your blunders?

In reality, we are all human. Mistakes are made. When someone catches them and lets you know, you want to reward and encourage them. A few points essentially has a 0 chance of changing someone's grade. (In this case, for instance, the actual value of the points is around 0.1% of the person's total grade.) Honestly, if you don't understand this, you probably need to get some actual leadership, teaching, and/or managerial experience.

Life isn't fair. It never has been and it never will be.

Further, grading isn't fair and it's not "objective" (no matter what instructors may tell you). Someone who has shown they do well early in the semester is probably going to have the instructor glance over their assignments, exams, etc. more quickly than is someone who has repeatedly shown they get things wrong. It's human nature -- if I am grading the assignment of a student who consistently gets 99s and 100s, I'm really not going to be going through every step of a lab report or meticulously checking for good evidence in their citations of a paper. Instead, I'm going to check to see if their answers were about right or their content appears to match what I'd expect and check for obvious deficiencies. OTOH, the guy who gets <50 on every assignment and doesn't seem to give a **** is going to have his assignment checked quite meticulously because chances are he didn't do half the work and the little he did "do" is nothing more than the answers he copied off his girlfriend's paper, report, exam, etc. from the previous semester.

The fact of the matter is that I have many papers to grade in a short period of time. Some instructors have several hundred students' papers, reports, exams, etc. to grade each week and no TAs to do it for them (usually junior, non-tenure-track MA/MS-level or graduate student faculty). People in this situation are going for speed. They probably spend around 5-10 minutes on each assignment, so it's not like they're reading everything in a lot of depth. They're skimming for most parts of the assignment. That means the grading isn't always perfect. Stuff probably gets missed. Personally, I have a bunch of statistical calculations built into my grading spreadsheet to alert me to any outliers that might indicate I probably made a mistake and should go back and check, but surely things do get through. I try to be as consistent as possible given the time constraints, but if things slip by unnoticed in terms of grading, I'm not going to have a coronary over it, and, honestly, I expect the same of professors from whom I am taking classes. So, really, oh well. It's a fact of life. Get over it.