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Hi everyone,

I was wondering if any current NCSU vet students would spare a little bit of time and would be willing to answer some of my specific questions.

I am currently deciding between Cornell and NCSU, I know Cornell in and out but don't know much about NCSU and frankly the person which was giving me a tour of the school didn't know the answers.

Thank you so much! You can send me a PM if more comfortable. This is a very big decision and I can't make up my mind. Any information which is not on the website will be helpful!

1. I know you need to buy all the textbooks - do you need them for most of the classes? Or do you get most of the information in lectures?

2. What is the teaching style of NCSU? Is it all lecture based? Do you do study groups? Or do you have case based studies?

3. When do you start with live animals? Do you get to work in the hospital? How hands on is NCSU?

4. Do you get most of the lectures online?

5. Did any of you participate in the VMP 999 – Extramural Experiences – Veterinary International Programs? Or knows any more information about it?

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I am currently deciding between Cornell and NCSU

Just curious - have you been accepted and/or recruited (or something) at these schools? Just seems like a strange time to be deciding on a school before acceptances have come out. Or are you deciding on where to apply?
 
Hi everyone,

I was wondering if any current NCSU vet students would spare a little bit of time and would be willing to answer some of my specific questions.

I am currently deciding between Cornell and NCSU, I know Cornell in and out but don't know much about NCSU and frankly the person which was giving me a tour of the school didn't know the answers.

Thank you so much! You can send me a PM if more comfortable. This is a very big decision and I can't make up my mind. Any information which is not on the website will be helpful!

1. I know you need to buy all the textbooks - do you need them for most of the classes? Or do you get most of the information in lectures?

2. What is the teaching style of NCSU? Is it all lecture based? Do you do study groups? Or do you have case based studies?

3. When do you start with live animals? Do you get to work in the hospital? How hands on is NCSU?

4. Do you get most of the lectures online?

5. Did any of you participate in the VMP 999 – Extramural Experiences – Veterinary International Programs? Or knows any more information about it?

1. Textbooks are 'required' for three classes- General and Systems path (both year 2; Zachary and McGavin- it's a great text, I actually use it all the time for path and other subjects) and SA Surgery (year 2; Fossum; not my favorite text, but still a decent reference). These two classes, and all others, also have written course notes which you have the option to purchase hard-copy or download online. I'm a big fan of texts, so have actually bought them as references for other subjects, but they're by no means required. You can perform perfectly well using your lecture materials alone.

2. Curriculum is mixed; mostly (75%) traditional lecture with 25% PBL, communications, surgery, and hands-on animal labs (many different species- ag, exotics, and companion animal) threaded throughout the 3 pre-clinical years. Case-based learning is a priority beginning year 1 (dedicated problem-solving courses occur nearly every semester), and is heavy-handed within the medicine courses year 3.

3. Yes, lots of opportunities to work with living critters beginning first semester, year 1. NCSU is known for its unique teaching animal unit (TAU), an onsite working farm. Each semester of years 1-3, you will practice a wide range of technical skills (progressing in difficulty) on beef/dairy cattle, small ruminants, swine, horses, and poultry (chickens/turkeys). I have castrated beef calves, performed rectal preg-checks, drawn blood from every species listed, etc. A thorough overview of the industries supporting the production of each species is presented in lecture. There are Physical Exam skills classes for Companion Animals in year 1, Exotic animals in years 2/3, and many other ways to find the experience you seek. The surgery curriculum is extensive- begins in year 2 (Canine OVX/Castration), and continues in year 3 (Feline OVX/Castration), plus ancillary procedures [Cystotomy/Splenectomy, etc]. I believe these are non-survival and occur in swine (2nd semester, year 3). Yes, folks work at the LA/SA hospital, as well as on TAU. I had a PT job on the research side of the business.

4. Yes, lectures are available on line. Some profs refuse to record, but these are rare. I use this service infrequently, so can't tell you much about the timing of the posts. I believe lectures are posted immediately following the end of the capture.

5. No, I haven't gone abroad. NCSU is in process of developing an 'area of strength' in international programs. I have acquaintances who have done so, and they have good things to say. This prof (https://cvm.ncsu.edu/directory/stringer-andrew/) can tell you more about it- great guy, I highly recommend you looking him up. I've completed externships domestically through a similar elective, and had a great experience.

Hope this info was helpful! Generally, I've had an excellent experience at NCSU and am very proud of the school. Please feel free to give me a holler with any additional inquiries.
 
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Recent grad and the curriculum changed after my class so listen to Lab Vet, but let me elaborate on her already very good response a smidge:

Lecture capture works for a vast, vast majority of the courses and is available almost immediately after the lecture is over. I only rarely attended non- mandatory lectures during much of my 2nd and 3rd year and watched happy from home.

Lots of jobs around the school. Clin path, TAU, various labs, surgery service, etc. I came in with a part time job from undergrad that I loved so never explored elsewhere, but opportunities are definitely there.

Cystotomy/splenectomy/R&A/etc are in the surgery curriculum and are non survival surgeries done on pigs. They were part of a joint research project my year, so euthanized and then used further for that. I know there were rumbles about possibly removing that from our curriculum due to general kerfuffles about non-survival sx but I really hope they don't. Made me a better vet.

I went abroad during vet school (6 weeks at a seabird rehabilitation) but did not pursue credit for it. I have friends who did school sponsored trips for credit and l think it was fairly painless.

It wasn't perfect, but I generally enjoyed vet school and, especially talking to students at other schools, think we do a good job at keeping things humane during both didactic and clinical years. Plus we're cheap. 😉

Happy to answer other questions.
 
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Thank you both SO much, this helps a lot.

Yes, NCSU is about 40k cheaper (I am IS for Cornell) and it is WAY warmer and overall I am just ready for a change.

It is just very hard to say no to Cornell, because it has the bigger name. I know that is not an issue in the states, but I will be very possibly practicing in Europe and the name plays the role. Plus of course I am nervous about starting in a new state, new school..don't know anything and anyone. But that is really all that is holding me back. I loved Raleigh and I find NCSU staff (and students!) much friendlier.

One more question - how difficult is it to find a place in a research lab. I know that during a semester it might be tough timewise, but how about summers? Research is what I want to focus on as my professional path and I am not sure how that differs from regular, let's say small animal, curriculum.
 
Like most schools, we have the merial research scholars program during summers and oodles of people spend time in labs through that program. Many people keep working with those researchers going forward, and I know there's different funding programs for people doing a second summer or with significant research experience in the past (but I'm not super familiar... not a research focused student at all).

We have a clinician scientist focus area that allows people to spend a very significant amount of their clinical year on research stuff and I know my classmates with that interest were pretty happy with it.
 
Thank you both SO much, this helps a lot.

Yes, NCSU is about 40k cheaper (I am IS for Cornell) and it is WAY warmer and overall I am just ready for a change.

It is just very hard to say no to Cornell, because it has the bigger name. I know that is not an issue in the states, but I will be very possibly practicing in Europe and the name plays the role. Plus of course I am nervous about starting in a new state, new school..don't know anything and anyone. But that is really all that is holding me back. I loved Raleigh and I find NCSU staff (and students!) much friendlier.

One more question - how difficult is it to find a place in a research lab. I know that during a semester it might be tough timewise, but how about summers? Research is what I want to focus on as my professional path and I am not sure how that differs from regular, let's say small animal, curriculum.
Both schools will provide you with an excellent education. The campus culture will differ between the two to a certain extent, but both will have fantastic opportunities to offer. I personally wouldn't make a decision based upon name recognition. What draws me to a particular institution or place of business has very little to do with title.

NCSU has solid opportunities to dabble in/jump feet first into research, but you need to be clear on what type of research you'd prefer to conduct. Clinical research and basic science are two very different enterprises. Translational science sort of strattles these two categories. I caution you against committing to a research career before you know what the endeavor fully involves.

Do you have specific interests? I may be able to direct you to specific faculty at NCSU who pursue active research programs in these arenas.
 
Research is what I want to focus on as my professional path and I am not sure how that differs from regular, let's say small animal, curriculum.

Do you have specific interests? I may be able to direct you to specific faculty at NCSU who pursue active research programs in these arenas.

On this note-- I am quite familiar with research and faculty at Cornell. They have a couple of summer research programs as well, VIP and the Leadership Program (the latter of which I coordinated last year!). So, if you have any questions or specific interests about Cornell, I could likely direct you as well!
 
Do you have specific interests? I may be able to direct you to specific faculty at NCSU who pursue active research programs in these arenas.

I have looked through the web at the different departments and researchers. My focus is mainly on zoonotic helminth diseases, so I guess parasitology. I have some research background and I am 90% sure that is what I want to do as opposed to being a "regular" veterinarian, whatever that might mean. But I have 4 years to figure everything out in vet school and I am keeping my options open. But I do love research and can't imagine my life without at least some aspect of it, that is why I am asking.

On this note-- I am quite familiar with research and faculty at Cornell. They have a couple of summer research programs as well, VIP and the Leadership Program (the latter of which I coordinated last year!). So, if you have any questions or specific interests about Cornell, I could likely direct you as well!

Thank you so much for the offer, but I am VERY familiar with CU and their faculty and programs. That is what makes me so nervous. Going from the well known turf to completely unknown 🙂
 
Thank you so much for the offer, but I am VERY familiar with CU and their faculty and programs. That is what makes me so nervous. Going from the well known turf to completely unknown 🙂
One driving factor in this particular decision, OP, should be the curricular structure. Since you're familiar with Cornell, you likely have a thorough understanding of PBL as the primary mode of instruction. PBL is included in NCSU's curriculum, but the lion's share is traditional lecture. These are totally different styles of education. I have spoken with students from other schools that use one or the other, and the description of satisfaction differs tremendously depending on the individual. I worked with a Western grad my first summer of vet school. He found PBL frustrating, but eventually learned how to work within the system. He mentioned that many of his classmates never did, and struggled throughout their 4 years. My goal isn't to make a plug for traditional lecture. I bet there are folks in my own class that would have done better with a PBL curriculum. 100% PBL would not have worked for me (I didn't apply to either institution that is predominantly PBL-based). I do enjoy PBL, and like the fact that NCSU introduces students to the process of clinical reasoning early in the curriculum. I would not, however, have done well with this modality being the primary instrument of instruction. There is more to consider with PBL than simply the information delivery. Do you like working in groups, OP- how about groups all the time? I'm an older student (will be just shy of 40 when I graduate), and was shocked at how much group work is pushed at NCSU. I personally find group work taxing, and it took me the sum total of first year to truly get used to it and find my stride. I still struggle with it in my third hear. NCSU isn't a PBL-based curriculum. I can't even imagine the amount of group work required for Cornell and Western. Alumni and current students at these schools should jump in and comment. Consider the curricular structure in making your decision, OP. Like most things in life- know thyself. How adaptable are you (some people just aren't- I'm more on the rigid end of the spectrum)? Are you energized by working in teams (not me)? You'll be working in this system for a number of years. A bad fit could be disastrous for your mental health and educational success.
 
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How adaptable are you (some people just aren't- I'm more on the rigid end of the spectrum)? Are you energized by working in teams (not me)? You'll be working in this system for a number of years. A bad fit could be disastrous for your mental health and educational success.

Again, thank you so much! I am slowly starting to make my decision.

I am an older student as well, I HATE working in groups, I can't stand people and that is why I am in love with research 😀 But I know that vet school (and vet profession in general) is a big team work so I have no illusions and I am ready for that. But you are right, I didn't look at it that way. I like PBL, I like the concept a lot, but I overlooked the group factor completely.
 
Just curious @Trilt and @Lab Vet ... did you guys have Dr. A for anatomy? Was she still there when you guys took it?
Pretty sure I know who you're talking about, although I know her by her previous married name. My class had her for a while but she took a leave partway through the year to sort out personal life.

Definitely a character.
 
Pretty sure I know who you're talking about, although I know her by her previous married name. My class had her for a while but she took a leave partway through the year to sort out personal life.

Definitely a character.

Yeah, Probably the same since she said she was divorced.
 
1. I know you need to buy all the textbooks - do you need them for most of the classes? Or do you get most of the information in lectures?
You sure don't need to buy all the textbooks. That's totally false. I don't buy textbooks, at all. Only if I'm fascinated by the subject and will keep the book forever. We have a very good library if you need to read a particular section of a book for whatever reason.

2. What is the teaching style of NCSU? Is it all lecture based? Do you do study groups? Or do you have case based studies?
All three. Mostly lecture but more and more of the others.

3. When do you start with live animals? Do you get to work in the hospital? How hands on is NCSU?
Very hands on. I am the last class on the old curriculum but you're handling and learning with animals since your first semester. You can work in the hospital in many ways, though it's not an official part of the curriculum until 4th year. I worked as an emergency surgical technician for several years. Others work in the wards or in specific services. Students are always welcome in the hospital.

4. Do you get most of the lectures online?
You can, but I preferred to attend. It's less efficient but more human, and I felt staying home was disrespectful to the lecturers.

5. Did any of you participate in the VMP 999 – Extramural Experiences – Veterinary International Programs? Or knows any more information about it?
Yep, I did a selective (2-week elective course) in Agra, India. It was great. We have faculty at the vet school who specifically have an international medicine focus, and while you do have to get the paperwork done to do things abroad, there is funding available to apply for, and it's not difficult to arrange everything.

It is just very hard to say no to Cornell, because it has the bigger name. I know that is not an issue in the states, but I will be very possibly practicing in Europe and the name plays the role. Plus of course I am nervous about starting in a new state, new school..don't know anything and anyone. But that is really all that is holding me back. I loved Raleigh and I find NCSU staff (and students!) much friendlier.
Actually, NCSU has quite a good name as well. Our teaching hospital is very busy and that reputation alone is helpful when seeking employment post-grad (whether internship or general employment). We have a very international faculty so finding advisors (formal or informal) from Europe is extremely easy to do.

I also struggled with the decision between Cornell and NC State. In the end, I decided that I wasn't willing to pay $200k for a name. Buried in this forum somewhere is my very first post where I was angsting about many of the same things you're writing here. I have been perfectly happy with my decision. I also remember talking to current students at Cornell who straight up told me that the school's name was absolutely worth $200k to them. If that's the case for you, then go for it.

I am an out-of-state student as well, and starting fresh is a great opportunity. If nothing else, it broadens your pool of contacts in the profession and exposes you to further opportunities. Academic inbreeding is a thing.

One more question - how difficult is it to find a place in a research lab. I know that during a semester it might be tough timewise, but how about summers? Research is what I want to focus on as my professional path and I am not sure how that differs from regular, let's say small animal, curriculum.
Not hard. It is actively encouraged. NC State has the most tracks ("focus areas") to choose from than any other school, IIRC. Our classes are very diverse in terms of makeup and interests. People interested in small animal GP are in the minority in my class.

I am an older student as well, I HATE working in groups, I can't stand people and that is why I am in love with research...But I know that vet school (and vet profession in general) is a big team work so I have no illusions and I am ready for that. But you are right, I didn't look at it that way. I like PBL, I like the concept a lot, but I overlooked the group factor completely.
You know that there are people in research, right? Vet med is a very people-oriented profession, no matter what. Even if you're strongly introverted, you gotta learn how to play nice. Group work isn't most peoples' dream scenario, but nearly all of the people in vet school are smart and hardworking, so it's not so hard to do. It's so much better working with competent people.

I like PBL and I think it would have been a useful learning method for me. But again...to the tune of $200k? Nope.

I am also an older student and was concerned about going into vet school with a bunch of people younger than me. In the end it's completely a non-issue. There are lots of older students and the general maturity level is pretty even across the board. Age is a non-issue. I have classmates eight years younger than me who are easily as mature or more mature than I am. I also have classmates my age who are very immature. We're all going through the same thing together and it really, really doesn't matter.

I may be biased because I love it here and don't regret my decision to attend at all. But from everything you've written, it sounds like NC State would be a great fit for you. I'm sorry you had a lackluster tour. The NC State admissions office has an account here and they'd be more than happy to help you with info you need. Also, feel free to PM me if you'd like. I hope this is helpful.
 
I would love to go here and it looks like they will be sending out final decisions in December. I'm interested in pathology/research. But I'm not getting my hopes up. My grades are good (3.75 GPA) but my GRE is below average. 150V 154Q and 3.0 AW. With 2000+ vet hours and 3000+ animal experience hours, will my GRE pull me down in regards to NC State?
 
I would love to go here and it looks like they will be sending out final decisions in December. I'm interested in pathology/research. But I'm not getting my hopes up. My grades are good (3.75 GPA) but my GRE is below average. 150V 154Q and 3.0 AW. With 2000+ vet hours and 3000+ animal experience hours, will my GRE pull me down in regards to NC State?

I'm a senior in undergrad here and I've always heard you never know what's going to happen with OOS due to shear number of applicants fighting for limited spots. I had a friend who applied last year with a 4.0 and they basically told her she should she just live in NC for the next year, get residency, and reapply. If you get denied and you're OOS don't take it personally!

To answer your question, I've heard they only look at GRE scores when they are trying to split hairs. I assume that plays a bigger role while deciding OOS but I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
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I had a friend who applied last year with a 4.0 and they basically told her she should she just live in NC for the next year, get residency, and reapply. If you get denied and you're OOS don't take it personally!

That's great advice. The difference in odds and strength of applicant pool on average are astronomically different for OOS v. IS, especially for NC State.

If you're a qualified applicant, you have great odds as an IS student. I want to say there are usually about 140 qualified applicants for 80 seats? (And by qualified, I mean "meets the bare minimum requirements of NC State".)

If you're an OOS student, you're up against anywhere between 800-1000+ people for 20 seats (it depends on the year). NC State is great enough in my opinion that rejected OOS applicants should seriously consider moving to establish residency for application.
 
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