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Dr. Extra said:
Reading all of these posts is pretty depressing. I was excited to start podiatry school in July, but I am not sure if I am making the right decision.
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It's kind of funny how this forum has the same few in every thread saying the same discouraging things out of 15k pods in America. I wonder why more of them don't post here. I also took 5 seconds to google pod jobs on random sites such as Indeed a found a bunch.

I wouldn't let this forum get to you, just focus on the prepod/student section or don't browse it at all.
 
owl1999 said:
It's kind of funny how this forum has the same few in every thread saying the same discouraging things out of 15k pods in America. I wonder why more of them don't post here. I also took 5 seconds to google pod jobs on random sites such as Indeed a found a bunch.

I wouldn't let this forum get to you, just focus on the prepod/student section or don't browse it at all.
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Are you actually out and practicing? I would venture to say that at least 90% of those listed jobs you are seeing are garbage.
 
Utvolsdpm said:
Are you actually out and practicing? I would venture to say that at least 90% of those listed jobs you are seeing are garbage.
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Even if 90% of them are garbage it's still A LOT more than zero as stated in this thread.
 
owl1999 said:
I also took 5 seconds to google pod jobs on random sites such as Indeed a found a bunch.
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Take out the “Air Force” listings and the nursing home jobs (healthdrive, preferred podiatry group, etc.), there aren’t more than 10-15 left. Total. Those indeed listings aren’t real jobs.
 
DYK343 said:
Oh come on.
Podiatry is not perfect but no medical profession is.
Most doctors complain about their field.
A lot of people on here bash the profession but I can assure you many are just as happy as the unhappy people on here.
I am quite happy. In fact I'm crushing it.
Just work hard and I agree dont work for another podiatrist.

....Insert Cuts with fury/jew on this personal slandering attacks against anything positive I post to follow.

Signed the most podiometric Dr. DYK343 DPM, ACFOAM, ASPS, FACFAS, specialist in peripheral nerve surgery, CWS, board certified via the ABPM
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You sir are delusional if you are going to ignore the major push AOFAS and the AAOS are creating in the background.

The job market has completely gone down the toilet in the last 5-6 years which was when I first started residency training.


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dtrack22 said:
Take out the “Air Force” listings and the nursing home jobs (healthdrive, preferred podiatry group, etc.), there aren’t more than 10-15 left. Total. Those indeed listings aren’t real jobs.
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Preach. I look at the job postings everyday and there is almost nothing compared to what’s available for foot and ankle orthopedists. Time to wake up.

The DPMs who do well on here (myself included) KNOW how good they have it. Could you get the same job again if your contract was not renewed? Statistically most of us would likely not get the same caliber job. So let’s calm down on the whole jargon that things in podiatry is gravy and you (insert podiatry student/resident) can get a great job too. 95% of you won’t. You will be somebody’s associate pretending you are ok with making 75-100k base salary with no road to partner, can’t get accurate production numbers because the owners wife is in charge of the books, etc.


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That's not a new push.
That push has always been there and probably always will
In the end podiatrists do most of the foot surgery in the country. I dont expect that to go away.
That's why they are making the push. They are nervous. The "podiatry problem" they talked about many years ago has become more of a "problem" for them.
Our training is improving every year and many of us are graduating with significant surgical skills and case numbers.
Skills that are harder to slander and discriminate against.
They still have power. They still are holding bias. But every year we become better and better trained.
I do think that opening a new school is a really dumb idea.

Last time I checked most F&A ortho fellowships go unfilled every year.
And for the record I was trained by several F&A ortho. They let me do every case skin to skin and taught me without bias.
Its not all of them. Only some of them. Even the notoriously anti DPM Dr Easley is now teaching DPM fellow(s) at Duke.
 
DYK343 said:
That's not a new push.
That push has always been there and probably always will
In the end podiatrists do most of the foot surgery in the country. I dont expect that to go away.
That's why they are making the push. They are nervous. The "podiatry problem" they talked about many years ago has become more of a "problem" for them.
Our training is improving every year and many of us are graduating with significant surgical skills and case numbers.
Skills that are harder to slander and discriminate against.
They still have power. They still are holding bias. But every year we become better and better trained.
I do think that opening a new school is a really dumb idea.

Last time I checked most F&A ortho fellowships go unfilled every year.
And for the record I was trained by several F&A ortho. They let me do every case skin to skin and taught me without bias.
Its not all of them. Only some of them. Even the notoriously anti DPM Dr Easley is now teaching DPM fellow(s) at Duke.
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They go unfilled but the jobs wanting foot and ankle ortho are unwilling to take a podiatrist. Trust me I’ve tried.

There is a DPM fellowship at duke but it’s not accredited by ACFAS which means it’s unclear to tell how much skin to skin action the fellow is actually getting. Do you actually know for a fact Easley is letting a podiatrist cut on his patient skin to skin? If not then you can’t make these statements and create a false expectation.

You getting trained by foot and ankle ortho is extremely geographic and hospital dependent. If there is no ortho program then these docs have no one to teach. If there is an ortho program in the hospital then these opportunities dwindle because their focus is to train ortho not you.

Some residency programs provide adequate training. Not all. That’s a major problem with our profession that still prevails.

There are a lot of inadequate residency programs.


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CutsWithFury said:
They go unfilled but the jobs wanting foot and ankle ortho are unwilling to take a podiatrist. Trust me I’ve tried.

There is a DPM fellowship at duke but it’s not accredited by ACFAS which means it’s unclear to tell how much skin to skin action the fellow is actually getting. Do you actually know for a fact Easley is letting a podiatrist cut on his patient skin to skin? If not then you can’t make these statements and create a false expectation.

You getting trained by foot and ankle ortho is extremely geographic and hospital dependent. If there is no ortho program then these docs have no one to teach. If there is an ortho program in the hospital then these opportunities dwindle because their focus is to train ortho not you.

Some residency programs provide adequate training. Not all. That’s a major problem with our profession that still prevails.

There are a lot of inadequate residency programs.


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I never said Easley lets fellows do skin to skin. Youre bending my words that all can see in writing. I did say he is training DPMs. That is a fact. I like you do not know any graduates of the program. I am unsure of how well they are trained but the fact is still a fact that Easley is training DPMs.

I agree about 1/2 of our residencies are not up to par. But the other 1/2 are producing well trained DPMs. Opening a new school does not help this.

BTW, I thought you hated ACFAS? Now their stamp of approval is important to you?
 
DYK343 said:
I never said Easley lets fellows do skin to skin. Youre bending my words that all can see in writing. I did say he is training DPMs. That is a fact. I like you do not know any graduates of the program. I am unsure of how well they are trained but the fact is still a fact that Easley is training DPMs.

I agree about 1/2 of our residencies are not up to par. But the other 1/2 are producing well trained DPMs. Opening a new school does not help this.

BTW, I thought you hated ACFAS? Now their stamp of approval is important to you?
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It’s not important but it is the “standard” for our fellowships.

Someone is monitoring the programs making sure they are up to a “standard” that can be measured


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owl1999 said:
It's kind of funny how this forum has the same few in every thread saying the same discouraging things out of 15k pods in America. I wonder why more of them don't post here. I also took 5 seconds to google pod jobs on random sites such as Indeed a found a bunch.

I wouldn't let this forum get to you, just focus on the prepod/student section or don't browse it at all.
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Because most of those other pods probably have better things to do....like enjoy their lives
 
CutsWithFury said:
It’s not important but it is the “standard” for our fellowships.

Someone is monitoring the programs making sure they are up to a “standard” that can be measured


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there are maybe 2 good acfas fellowships. One of the better ones that I know if is not around anymore, but dr wukich did offer one for many years to upmc residents. that one wasn’t acfas approved .
 
Dr. Extra said:
Reading all of these posts is pretty depressing. I was excited to start podiatry school in July, but I am not sure if I am making the right decision.
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First it all depends on WHY your going down this road.... so you have to ask yourself that ...... no if a "big" part of that decision is for the money then know that the majority of the money in podiatry is in private practice ... you will need to be able to get yourself in a position where you are the OWNER to reap real monetary benefit from your degree ... if you wont be able to do this or just CANT do it as an individual due to your abilities etc. then you HAVE to come to terms and be happy with the average pod salary which is safe to say at this point to be around 120-130K ( give or take depending on your job market and region ) ... comes out to be about 60-65$ / hr... if that makes sense to you given your situation/ the loans that you will be taking out etc ... then go for it ...
 
G0dFather said:
First it all depends on WHY your going down this road.... so you have to ask yourself that ...... no if a "big" part of that decision is for the money then know that the majority of the money in podiatry is in private practice ... you will need to be able to get yourself in a position where you are the OWNER to reap real monetary benefit from your degree ... if you wont be able to do this or just CANT do it as an individual due to your abilities etc. then you HAVE to come to terms and be happy with the average pod salary which is safe to say at this point to be around 120-130K ( give or take depending on your job market and region ) ... comes out to be about 60-65$ / hr... if that makes sense to you given your situation/ the loans that you will be taking out etc ... then go for it ...
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Does the 120 k to 130 k include production bonuses as well?
 
GreenHousePub said:
Depends on if the bosses wife/office manager decides it is lol
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If you think working for a DPM is bad, multiply that x 100 if the doctor’s spouse has ANYTHING to do with the practice.

If the owner of the practice tells you that the spouse has ANYTHING to do with the practice, RUN in the other direction as if your ass is on fire.
 
I am confused by what's going on in this thread. People are saying that F&A surgical jobs for podiatrists are being phased out and that new podiatrist graduates will only make 75-100k in the future? The VA has now started paying their podiatrists close to 300k? I am seeing a disconnect here.

Can someone explain please?
 
I don't know the demographics of the new few years, ie. number graduates, but seeing all those unfilled programs this year was one of the best things I've seen. A few might be good programs that slipped through the cracks, but many were NY turds/VAs that are scrambled year after year. I am willing to admit that yes - if you have programs not fill for a few years they will simply shut their doors and die potentially resulting in fewer residencies, but the idea of their not being 100% occupancy creates the opportunity for people to move between programs and also perhaps might force programs to question their acts, compete, ...I don't know, look inside themselves and try to improve. Adding a bunch of new graduates just likely ensures the same thing that happened back in like 2014 - overproduction of students in relation to residency spots. That said - I can already see that leading to the garbage future imagined by the ****bags at Present Podiatry. "Clinical" barely surgical podiatrists who slave away as bit*** in someone's clinic for 3 years, undertrained, lacking understanding of the foot and ankle, etc.
 
This is actually a great thing for the profession - the first state sponsored school. Tuition will be much lower than all the other schools and will help to provide competition and downward pressure on the tuitions at other schools. Also, in order to get this approved by the Texas Board of Regents, Dr. Harkless has to create enough residencies inside the state of Texas to accommodate all the graduates of his school.

And don't forget, Dr. Harkless fought the headwinds of the profession once before when he started Western University's College of Podiatric Medicine, a stellar program that embodies parity of the profession. And now he's got a bunch of lawyers from the University of Texas behind him. I have no doubt this school will be accredited.

On a separate note, I hate to see the belittling of a man in this thread who, in a selfless way, has given his whole life to this profession and teaching. The wake he has created across this profession is extremely wide and impactful.
 
diabeticfootdr said:
Dr. Harkless has to create enough residencies inside the state of Texas to accommodate all the graduates of his school.
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With all due respect sir,

How is he going to create 50 more residency spots for this new school?

I do not believe he achieved that goal when he opened up Western University.
 
diabeticfootdr said:
This is actually a great thing for the profession - the first state sponsored school. Tuition will be much lower than all the other schools and will help to provide competition and downward pressure on the tuitions at other schools. Also, in order to get this approved by the Texas Board of Regents, Dr. Harkless has to create enough residencies inside the state of Texas to accommodate all the graduates of his school.

And don't forget, Dr. Harkless fought the headwinds of the profession once before when he started Western University's College of Podiatric Medicine, a stellar program that embodies parity of the profession. And now he's got a bunch of lawyers from the University of Texas behind him. I have no doubt this school will be accredited.

On a separate note, I hate to see the belittling of a man in this thread who, in a selfless way, has given his whole life to this profession and teaching. The wake he has created across this profession is extremely wide and impactful.
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Texas MD schools also have low tuition. I do not think it had/has any effect on MD/DO tuition in other states. They keep climbing and climbing.

Do you think there is a need to graduate 50 more DPM students per year when there are current graduates who cannot find well-paying jobs which would allow them to utilize their residency training to a full potential?
 
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I was speaking with the dean of TUSPM at the ACFAS meeting in Texas a few months ago. He was distraught with the low number of applications and low quality of many of the applicants.

Given the embarrassingly low number of applications, why would there be a need for another school in Texas.

Regardless of whether you are a fan of Dr. Harkless or not, I have to question the logic and motives to start a new school when present schools are having a hard time filling seats.
 
diabeticfootdr said:
And dont, Dr. Harkless fought the headwinds of the profession once before when he started Western University's College of Podiatric Medicine
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and don’t forget, he wasn’t able to do the following at Western...

diabeticfootdr said:
Dr. Harkless has to create enough residencies inside the state of Texas to accommodate all the graduates of his school.
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I don’t have a problem with competition amongst schools, if they were competing for a finite number of seats. But they aren’t. A new school doesn’t stop the rest of them from filling seats. Which means the same 1,000 applicants are applying for 640 spots instead of the previous years’ 600. Those numbers are purely made up, but probably not too far off. It just creates more opportunity for bad apples to make it through. Lord knows the profession isn’t missing out on great future podiatrists because there aren’t enough spots at the podiatry schools.
 
It would be selfless if he just fought for a new school and then appointed a young well trained, well known DPM to run the school. But he won’t. He will make himself the dean and pay himself a nice six figure salary and just oversee it.

Texas already has a lot of residency programs and several fellowship programs at the majority of the major academic institutions.

Where are these 50 extra residency spots going to come from? He definitely did not create new residency slots/programs in California. If so which programs because I don’t see it.

This is just another example of our profession. Everybody has their own agenda. Everybody is doing what they have to do to make a buck in podiatry. If we just stood together and made decisions TOGETHER we could have moved this profession further than it is.

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I have a colleague who is a nurse. This person is taking online courses to get their APRN. Person is doing their “clinicals” shadowing internal medicine doctors in skilled nursing facilities. No residency training with MD/DO. No taking call by themselves. No real hospital exposure work. This person will get their APRN and have more credibility with any hospital, the public, MD/DO when it comes to performing their own H&Ps/medical management of patients compared to a podiatrist.
 
No one wants to live out there.

School will push the underserved rhetoric (which there is an actual need) to justify building it.

Once students start signing up, graduating, and leaving- it won't be their problem anymore.
 
CutsWithFury said:
It would be selfless if he just fought for a new school and then appointed a young well trained, well known DPM to run the school. But he won’t. He will make himself the dean and pay himself a nice six figure salary and just oversee it.

Texas already has a lot of residency programs and several fellowship programs at the majority of the major academic institutions.

Where are these 50 extra residency spots going to come from? He definitely did not create new residency slots/programs in California. If so which programs because I don’t see it.

This is just another example of our profession. Everybody has their own agenda. Everybody is doing what they have to do to make a buck in podiatry. If we just stood together and made decisions TOGETHER we could have moved this profession further than it is.

Incoming side rant....


I have a colleague who is a nurse. This person is taking online courses to get their APRN. Person is doing their “clinicals” shadowing internal medicine doctors in skilled nursing facilities. No residency training with MD/DO. No taking call by themselves. No real hospital exposure work. This person will get their APRN and have more credibility with any hospital, the public, MD/DO when it comes to performing their own H&Ps/medical management of patients compared to a podiatrist.
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I would actually disagree with the statement that there are a lot of residencies in Texas. There are not. Especially when compared to NY, MI, PA. So while the UT system has a lot going for it, podiatry friendly it is not. So unless the UT system is going to seamlessly integrate podiatry into their other residency programs and instead rely on outside podiatrists, I see that being a hard thing to do.
 
air bud said:
I would actually disagree with the statement that there are a lot of residencies in Texas. There are not. Especially when compared to NY, MI, PA. So while the UT system has a lot going for it, podiatry friendly it is not. So unless the UT system is going to seamlessly integrate podiatry into their other residency programs and instead rely on outside podiatrists, I see that being a hard thing to do.
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Very true.

Podiatry in TX will need to be better accepted in the states biggest health networks. Baylor Scott and White, Herman Memorial, UT Southwestern, Methodist, Texas Health Resources, etc. are the big names in the state and subsequently in academic medicine/residency training. In the entire state of Texas, JPS is the only residency program that is truly part of an academic medical center. And even that’s a county hospital. Baylor hires DPMs in one part of the state (central) and has a residency program in the Temple area, otherwise there is minimal DPM integration into other facilities. UT Southwestern has some DPM faculty In DFW but They have an ortho program and have never shown any interest in adding podiatry. Otherwise no UT Southwestern support. THR medical group doesn’t hire podiatrists, Herman doesn’t either.

TX is incredibly private practice based and they do very well. But that’s not a recipe for the creation of 30-40 new residency positions
 
Weirdy said:
No one wants to live out there.

School will push the underserved rhetoric (which there is an actual need) to justify building it.

Once students start signing up, graduating, and leaving- it won't be their problem anymore.
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Come on, who doesn’t like good tacos .
 
dtrack22 said:
Very true.

Podiatry in TX will need to be better accepted in the states biggest health networks. Baylor Scott and White, Herman Memorial, UT Southwestern, Methodist, Texas Health Resources, etc. are the big names in the state and subsequently in academic medicine/residency training. In the entire state of Texas, JPS is the only residency program that is truly part of an academic medical center. And even that’s a county hospital. Baylor hires DPMs in one part of the state (central) and has a residency program in the Temple area, otherwise there is minimal DPM integration into other facilities. UT Southwestern has some DPM faculty In DFW but They have an ortho program and have never shown any interest in adding podiatry. Otherwise no UT Southwestern support. THR medical group doesn’t hire podiatrists, Herman doesn’t either.

TX is incredibly private practice based and they do very well. But that’s not a recipe for the creation of 30-40 new residency positions
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Wasn't there a big lawsuit out there a few years ago with the Texas OA trying to get podiatry restricted from the Ankle?
 
What dtrack said. Podiatry is underrepresented in big cities in the real systems. When you look at how the programs are setup we're on the periphery. We have cities that should be able to support multiple residencies and they don't have anything.

-Nothing in Austin
-Dallas - the residency is actually based outside of town
-Houston - we aren't exactly talking the big hospitals in town.
-San Antonio? Visit that program and you'll know why I almost didn't list it here.

The school is being built in the middle of no-where because ...social justice. And not even real actual good social justice. Are there any notable podiatrists there? Are there full scope podiatrists there? Is there a podiatry residency there? Is there anything pre-established where you could say - wow, check out the resources we have here - we're doing the right stuff out here already and hell - we should be teaching people. I very much doubt it. The school is there because - they said yes. That was the only prerequisite. When I last looked I don't think their medical school had even graduated a class. There were plenty of real established medical schools in the state - didn't land at any of them. In fact, forever and ever ago they considered trying to start a podiatry school in San Antonio and it got canned.

How will new residencies be made? They won't. Someone will try and shame the programs that already exist into taking more. They shouldn't. I've heard multiple people say variations of Scott and White is approved for 6 - they should take more!? They should not. The Podiatry Present crowd will use this as an opportunity to try and push for making 2 tiered residencies and "clinic" residencies. Gross. I'm personally of the opinion that it would probably be harder to start a real residency at a new location than it is to start a school. Maybe the faculty at this place will start one in town. Maybe we can start residencies in other charming Texas towns - El Paso, Victoria, Lufkin, Beaumont, Laredo, Brownfield.

Anyone see "The Music Man"?
 
GreenHousePub said:
Wasn't there a big lawsuit out there a few years ago with the Texas OA trying to get podiatry restricted from the Ankle?
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and the podiatrists lost that case. Twice. So the state scope still has a definition of “foot” that is ambiguous enough to allow podiatrists to perform ankle surgery when facilities allow them to, but also allows a huge healthcare system like Baylor Scott & White to refuse podiatrists privileges for many ankle procedures.

You aren’t practicing outside of your scope when surgerizing the ankle in TX, but the language of the state scope allows the largest healthcare provider in the state to limit what you do. And that won’t be changed until the scope itself is re-written through the legislative process. Which you can bet will get the same opposition from TMA and TOA.

As heybrother alluded to, Harkless will most certainly push for TX residencies to increase seats. Then the new school admin will be upset when a program like JPS (who has the volume to support another resident or two per year) refuses because they don’t have the funding to do so. You don’t get a lot of GME money when you don’t treat many Medicare patients. Which is a shame because Fort Worth is easily the most podiatry friendly metro in the state. You really are left with South Texas (I know El Paso is west but anyone on the border falls into south Texas in my book) and East Texas to try and add seats. The largest west Texas medical center (Texas Tech/Lubbock) has an allopathic school and ortho residency program so good luck there. 30 residency spots between El Paso, Laredo, Tyler, and McAllen/Brownsville sounds feasible and would offer stellar training...
 
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I am NOT a fan of Harkless and there are a lot of us out there that feel the same as me, most notably just about anyone (not at western) who graduated in 2013-2015. He opened Western and was supposed to create a residency slot for every graduate and created next to none. He created a horrible residency shortage. I know of a lot of great students who scrambled and ended up taking a sub par residency because they were too afraid to take the risk to try for another program. I also know a few who simply didnt get a slot. They left the profession.


He should not be the one opening a new school. He will not make enough residency slots needed. He will create another residency shortage. He will force already weak programs to take more residents. This is a bad thing for our profession. A VERY bad thing.
 
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Professions that fail to control their supply suffer the consequences. 500+ foot surgeons graduating a year. There are 800ish ortho residency slots in the US. They own the market and can work on all the bones!
 
DYK343 said:
I am NOT a fan of Harkless and there are a lot of us out there that feel the same as me, most notably just about anyone (not at western) who graduated in 2013-2015. He opened Western and was supposed to create a residency slot for every graduate and created next to none. He created a horrible residency shortage. I know of a lot of great students who scrambled and ended up taking a sub par residency because they were too afraid to take the risk to try for another program. I also know a few who simply didnt get a slot. They left the profession.


He should not be the one opening a new school. He will not make enough residency slots needed. He will create another residency shortage. He will force already weak programs to take more residents. This is a bad thing for our profession. A VERY bad thing.
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Well that’s your opinion. My opinion is that history will judge Lawrence B. Harkless as a pioneer of the profession, founding 2 schools, educating hundreds of students, training hundreds of residents, helping podiatry become a part of academic medical centers, and helping to define podiatry’s role in the diabetic foot.
 
diabeticfootdr said:
Well that’s your opinion. My opinion is that history will judge Lawrence B. Harkless as a pioneer of the profession, founding 2 schools, educating hundreds of students, training hundreds of residents, helping podiatry become a part of academic medical centers, and helping to define podiatry’s role in the diabetic foot.
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I know hes your friend and its hard to take those blinders off. I know he did a lot for the profession. I know his history. He really is a pioneer in many ways for our profession. I strongly respect him for that.

However, 1 in 10 did not get a residency the year I graduated. Qualified applicants were left without a residency position. This is not entirely, but largely, due to Western and Dr Harkless.

Western was not supposed to be able to graduate the class of 2013 unless they created enough residency positions to cover the new graduates. He created minimal. The CPME decided that it was not the students fault and permitted them to graduate the Western class of 2013 and thus spread the shortage over all the schools.

The CPME, now 2-3 years behind of when they actually should have acted, put out campaign letters to try to get DPMs to establish residency programs but this largely failed. Some new programs did start up but did not start up in time. They also tried to force already existant programs to take on new residents but many, rightfully, declined as this would dilute the training that their residents required to be proficient in our field. They also cut the "minimally competent" numbers required for residents to graduate so that programs could take on more residents. Those minimally competent numbers are exactly that - Minimally competent.

I know Dr Harkless tried and I almost could have forgiven him as he was trying to improve the profession. But now history is repeating itself and Dr Harkless will recreate another 2013-2015 residency crisis. Our applicant pool is way down in recent years. Its already poor to begin with. WHY are we adding another school? It makes absolutely zero sense. Its not the right time. Money talks and thats what this is about.
 
diabeticfootdr said:
Well that’s your opinion. My opinion is that history will judge Lawrence B. Harkless as a pioneer of the profession, founding 2 schools, educating hundreds of students, training hundreds of residents, helping podiatry become a part of academic medical centers, and helping to define podiatry’s role in the diabetic foot.
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If this program is still opening, would you know when the first-class might begin? They have yet to reply to my email about a start date (which I thought was in 21).
 
My concern is why Dr. Harkless believes another school is warranted, when applicant numbers are so low. I can think of MANY other ways Dr. Harkless can help students and the profession, instead of creating a new school that isn’t needed.

Why invent something for a problem that doesn’t exist? There is no shortage of schools and there is no overflow of applications.

What is his true motive and what’s the end game?
 
On a different note: New York Pod school merging with Touro and New York Medical College. Changes like this can bring in more applicants.


"New York College of Podiatric Medicine (NYCPM) is excited to announce that we will join the Touro College & University System and New York Medical College. Touro president Dr. Alan Kadish and NYCPM president Mr. Louis Levine signed a Membership Agreement in an online ceremony to mark the occasion.

Mr. Levine said, “This bodes well for both institutions. I believe that with Touro’s help we can bring New York College of Podiatric Medicine to even greater heights.”

Dr. Kadish said, “As healthcare moves towards a team approach, podiatrists will become increasingly important. Touro healthcare educational systems and our clinical healthcare delivery systems can integrate New York College of Podiatric Medicine in a way that improves patient care and transforms the experience for students and faculty.”

This is expected to take place on July 1, 2021, once it is approved by the U.S. Department of Education, the New York State Department of Education, other regulators and relevant accreditors."


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Got this today! Kinda happy I don’t have to worry about since I’ll be an incoming student in fall 2021.
 

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lilpripri28 said:
Got this today! Kinda happy I don't have to worry about since I'll be an incoming student in fall 2021.
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Yes, your class doesn't have to worry about this change as long as you all graduate within the 4-years and be able to match in 2025.

As stated in this thread, the 'problem' will be for the following class if no additional residency sites open to:
accommodate the students from this new school + the other nine schools + the students who didn't match previously ----> residency shortage
 
NewPodGrad2019 said:
On a different note: New York Pod school merging with Touro and New York Medical College. Changes like this can bring in more applicants.


"New York College of Podiatric Medicine (NYCPM) is excited to announce that we will join the Touro College & University System and New York Medical College. Touro president Dr. Alan Kadish and NYCPM president Mr. Louis Levine signed a Membership Agreement in an online ceremony to mark the occasion.

Mr. Levine said, “This bodes well for both institutions. I believe that with Touro’s help we can bring New York College of Podiatric Medicine to even greater heights.”

Dr. Kadish said, “As healthcare moves towards a team approach, podiatrists will become increasingly important. Touro healthcare educational systems and our clinical healthcare delivery systems can integrate New York College of Podiatric Medicine in a way that improves patient care and transforms the experience for students and faculty.”

This is expected to take place on July 1, 2021, once it is approved by the U.S. Department of Education, the New York State Department of Education, other regulators and relevant accreditors."


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This I support and believe is good for the profession.
Texas school is not good for the profession
 
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