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Yea totally. My original marker for how much dental school cost was Penn, which is I think $112,000 a year total cost of attendance. Which is nuts. Then I looked around. Temple is around the same and so is Rutgers. Dental school is NOT cheaper most of the time. If anything it’s more expensive on average.
Especially if the school isn’t planning on building a teaching hospital on-site and instead plans on using a distributive model. There is zero reason why tuition at LIU should be $55k/year when there is no hospital to staff and maintain, for example. That’s predatory.
No one would think that. And in no way shape or form is there a vet school that could open in any amazing fashion that is so different from the schools already in existence to be welcomed. The education is pretty straight forward. There is no fancy way of teaching. You go to school and learn the science of medicine then learn how to apply that for a brief second before heading out into the real world.
I'm not going into anything vet-related, but seeing how the mantra is always about attending the cheapest school, I don't think a lower price tag will be snubbed. Might even be worshipped.
This has nothing to do with what is being said here. The profession has problems, and it doesn't matter why prevets want to pursue it. It still needs to be done smart. This almost aligns with what I said about not letting an owner go into debt they cannot pay off for their animal's medical expenses. It isn't good medicine in my opinion and it isn't something I would be comfortable with as a fellow human. Some people of course are going to do it anyway, but I would never advocate for it.
I’ve also got a friend who’s a D1 and when she got accepted and I first looked at tuition costs I was like “Wow dental school tuition is pretty reasonable”..... But as I earlier said in the case of DCG at least, tuition is listed on their website at $25k BUT that doesn’t include mandatory fees and other expenses which brings the price tag up to $40.5k. I find that highly misleading and makes it harder to compare between schools. COL can always vary because of different costs of living between areas and personal choices But how much you’re paying the school is a set cost and should be transparent
Penn Vet school costs that much a year?!? that's sooooo predatory 😡
Given what the current status quo is regarding indebtedness of vet students and vets, I doubt that anyone would actually seriously complain about this.
The profession isn’t hurting for new schools. Personally, I would be less annoyed by the development of more 2+2 programs, as @batsenecal mentioned upthread, or even new schools in states that don’t currently have one and/or contract seats elsewhere. That’s why I’m not quite as aggravated about the potential ASU school as I am about, say, LMU or TTU. Why does Tennessee need two vet schools? Why does New York?
The distributive model isn’t that new. Western matriculated their first class in... what, 1999?
Oh wow yep you are totally right. In my quick glance a couple of minutes ago I just looked at tuition for IS, which was the 44k I mentioned. I just looked back and with fees it's actually 62k a year, making it more than double what I pay for our IS vet school, and significantly more expensive than OOS vet school tuition.
I never assume that every pre-vet is the same. I know plenty of people in my class and pre-vets who have toured my school. I'm not assuming they're not smart because they want to go into this profession. I did as well. I care a lot about this profession and I don't want the people in it to suffer. I definitely want people to pursue their dreams, I don't want the result of that to be so crippling that they can't even function. Does that seem so unreasonable?
I have no answer for when/ how often vet schools should open. Did my post imply as much? I merely stated facts that I quickly found while googling.
How are these schools not making it easier? There will be significantly more slots for number of applicants (I am not sure what the trend has been for # of applicants). I think one of the pre-vets making comments in here even said they were excited for new schools as they couldn't get accepted to others.
That's super strange. 15k a year for tuition would be so cheap. I wonder how you could figure out where that money is going? I hadn't even really thought of the difference between tuition and fees before since you can't get out of either.
Pre-vets: it's not fair and you just have these opinions because you already got in and now have your DVM
Vets: If I could give it to you, I would. But you have to take my debt too. Kthx.
In all seriousness though. New schools need to have curriculum that produces good vets reliably. That is a concern. New schools need to have affordable tuition... also a concern. The idea that we need more vets to fill a void is probably not entirely accurate... concern. And the vets that we are making already are kinda sorta hating their life and yeah, you guessed it - that's a concern too. Lots of factors here. To assume that you have it all figured out from the pre-vet side of things and no way will you ever question your decision to pursue vet med... welp. Come back in 6 years. I'll still be here.
Or, it can be pretty hard to find a good fit with a good balance, good pay, and also good dynamics with coworkers, office managers, and such. Specialty pays more and allows more choice.
No, we should not have new schools. These schools are not opening to give you & other aspiring vet students better access to your dream careers.
Yeah, 'cause GP sucks.
Well, since I've been here for 12 years - three before being accepted, four while in vet school, and five now after graduation - I figure I'll still be around. It's fine if you don't stick around to tell me how you feel about all of it after you have graduated.
No one used the words "it's not fair" but I think that's kind of the implication. It seems like (and this is my opinion, mind you) that pre-vets (general) want more schools so there are more seats and more chances to get in. When the veterinarians come in and speak about why they DON'T want more schools, it feels like a personal attack, or like we don't want y'all to have these extra seats. That's what I was getting at.
I feel bad saying, "Just wait, you'll understand." But I'm not sure there's anything else I could say. Sorry.
Can I ask why you would not stay on SDN if accepted? This is a community that supposedly is worth it for you to get advice, support, and camaraderie from those who have similar goals as you while you apply, so what would change as a student? I think it is an advantage for people to stick around and share that advice as they move on just as those currently here shared with you, especially as everyone has a different point of view to offer. And this is not an attack, it is a curiosity since you came across as having disdain for those of us who stay to be a part of the community.
Yeah, sorry -- my initial post was not very clear. I just mean that for the people who do make it through these programs, pass the NAVLE, and perform up to snuff in their rotations... I hope the veterinary profession as a whole will not look down on them in 4+ years as somehow less-than, simply because we don't see the benefit of the new schools themselves.
It wasn't really a rebuttal to your post, it just reminded me of a head shake moment for LMU from last year. haha
Yeah, 'cause GP sucks.
Well, since I've been here for 12 years - three before being accepted, four while in vet school, and five now after graduation - I figure I'll still be around. It's fine if you don't stick around to tell me how you feel about all of it after you have graduated.
No one used the words "it's not fair" but I think that's kind of the implication. It seems like (and this is my opinion, mind you) that pre-vets (general) want more schools so there are more seats and more chances to get in. When the veterinarians come in and speak about why they DON'T want more schools, it feels like a personal attack, or like we don't want y'all to have these extra seats. That's what I was getting at.
I feel bad saying, "Just wait, you'll understand." But I'm not sure there's anything else I could say. Sorry.
It goes to the undergrad campus
Good lord, UC system.
Yeah, 'cause GP sucks.
Well, since I've been here for 12 years - three before being accepted, four while in vet school, and five now after graduation - I figure I'll still be around. It's fine if you don't stick around to tell me how you feel about all of it after you have graduated.
No one used the words "it's not fair" but I think that's kind of the implication. It seems like (and this is my opinion, mind you) that pre-vets (general) want more schools so there are more seats and more chances to get in. When the veterinarians come in and speak about why they DON'T want more schools, it feels like a personal attack, or like we don't want y'all to have these extra seats. That's what I was getting at.
I feel bad saying, "Just wait, you'll understand." But I'm not sure there's anything else I could say. Sorry.
education as to the reality of day to day life as a veterinarian is something else we all strive to do here. There is no painting of rainbows when we talk with prevets who make the mistake of saying they want to go into vet med because they don't like people and love animals. It doesn't seem to change many minds though, so that is another giant reason for the level of unhappiness once folks get out into practice.
So where would you discuss these issues if not a forum?
The ignore function works great if you feel that way. That way you can still have a good discussion with plenty of other people. CE and conferences don't have the right atmosphere for this level of discussion with as far reaching participants.
Oh I thought you said you didn't know what it was for
If that is all you are taking away, you aren't looking very closely. Just look at my posts in the 2019 class. It is the representation of good and bad. That tends to be most post class pages as well if more people would stick around. And I am not saying you would ignore things you don't want to hear, I am saying ignore the people you feel are bullies.
You know what you should do then? Look for and/or start a thread for best moments in your DVM career so far. I bet there will be some good highs to be had there to balance out the bad.
