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I played a card game version of this with my family on Christmas and one game the troublemaker accidentally swapped the minion (kind of chaos equivalent) with the wolf and the game turned to ****. There is like a 4 minute video my mom filmed of us all yelling at each other and complete chaos. This reminds me of that game.
 
Announcement: After careful calculations it has been determined that village can no longer win this game, as the rare events that could have occurred to allow this last night did not occur.

The game is not over yet though. So...do with that what you will.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Alright still in bed but I have an extremely crazy tin foil that I am going to investigate

What if chaos was converted to a wolf??
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I thought the same thing as Dina. It wouldn't make any sense. If this was the case and chaos condition didnt apply (I have read through a gane where chaos was converted but I don't remember what became of their win conditions) they'd need two successful villager deaths. So either way a successful lynch and successful night kill.
 
WildZoo said:
Announcement: After careful calculations it has been determined that village can no longer win this game, as the rare events that could have occurred to allow this last night did not occur.

The game is not over yet though. So...do with that what you will.
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WildZoo said:
Wait that might not be true.

There might still be a tiny chance. Please hold.
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????
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Okay well if we can’t win then that theory is not correct. Because chaos and wolf would have to be the same person I’m guessing. If one of you is chaos and one is wolf, then if we lynch the wolf we still lose since chaos will win.
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Not necessarily if MSU counts in numbers... I think the mods may have miscalculated? Idk though
edit this is incorrect
 
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Right it actually makes more sense that the wolf didn’t want to kill a villager instead of chaos and was trying to figure out who chaos is.

Unless the wolf wants us to think that chaos is still at play and is hoping we’ll just lynch a villager to lose the game.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Right it actually makes more sense that the wolf didn’t want to kill a villager instead of chaos and was trying to figure out who chaos is.

Unless the wolf wants us to think that chaos is still at play and is hoping we’ll just lynch a villager to lose the game.
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The only ones who has been able to confirm existence of chaos ever has been ziggy and the wolves...
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I FLIPPED village. That is MOD CONFIRMED. Mods DO NOT LIE. Are you suggesting that I was somehow converted from village to chaos and then from chaos to wolf?

That is really what you are suggesting?
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Do you know why your role was announced?
 
WildZoo said:
Um so it's kind of like yesterday but worse

Somehow you still have a shot but like

It's 1% or something

Idk how this happened. Anyway...carry on.
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@ziggyandjazzy the odds arent ever so in our favor :yeahright:(this is a reference to your katniss comment and not a vouch that I trust you right now)
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
@ziggyandjazzy the odds arent ever so in our favor :yeahright:(this is a reference to your katniss comment and not a vouch that I trust you right now)
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Okay well the math works out that we can win. So what are the possible win conditions for village with a wolf and chaos, and which ones are more likely?
 
Dinashadow said:
Why do you think the mods would've chosen to do that?
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I wondered and once I realized I could stop conversions I thought maybe they wanted to let wolves kill me? But my ability is capped, so it didn't matter. Apparently being that Matt could also give abilities back, theoretically that would've been useful if converter was still alive.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Okay well the math works out that we can win. So what are the possible win conditions for village with a wolf and chaos, and which ones are more likely?
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Village needs both to be dead as they are both "threats". Village would need to kill chaos today (killing wolf ends the game), successfully block a kill against village tonight, and kill the wolf tomorrow.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I wondered and once I realized I could stop conversions I thought maybe they wanted to let wolves kill me? But my ability is capped, so it didn't matter. Apparently being that Matt could also give abilities back, theoretically that would've been useful if converter was still alive.
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I can’t do that, I’m a tinkerer. I made an item that gives one person their ability back.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I can’t do that, I’m a tinkerer. I made an item that gives one person their ability back.
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That's what I mean, if you had made that and used it on me then could've stopped two more conversions, 1. If the converter had lived longer and 2. If they didnt kill me, which they probably would've because for you to know who I was they would also know who I was
 
@ziggyandjazzy did you ever post your night result?

The argument that coffee is chaos and wolf doesn’t hold water. You said yourself that villagers can’t be converted to chaos. Since she was mod confirmed as originally villager, if coffee is the wolf then either you or Dina are chaos.

Edited to fix a stupid autocorrect.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I wondered and once I realized I could stop conversions I thought maybe they wanted to let wolves kill me? But my ability is capped, so it didn't matter. Apparently being that Matt could also give abilities back, theoretically that would've been useful if converter was still alive.
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My theory was that it would make you an easy wolf target. But you're still here. Why do you think that is? Wouldn't the best target for a wolf be someone who the village trusts and think is confirmed a villager? It would make it easier to have the village turn on each
 
The wolf needs to lynch chaos tonight, that is the basically the only way they are going to win.
 
Dinashadow said:
The wolf needs to lynch chaos tonight, that is the basically the only way they are going to win.
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But we need to lynch chaos and prevent an attack AND lynch the wolf tomorrow. I think that’s the only way this works.
 
Dinashadow said:
My theory was that it would make you an easy wolf target. But you're still here. Why do you think that is? Wouldn't the best target for a wolf be someone who the village trusts and think is confirmed a villager? It would make it easier to have the village turn on each
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That's the best at strategy, but two vanilla roles were left alive (jazzy and I) and the last NKs have been very strong power roles...Doc and Killer both capable of catching a wolf. So there are different strategies, to each their own :shrug:
 
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Holy cow wow!!
Sorry boyfriend came home last night after being gone a month!

Well I tried to tell y’all I was village!
Also I will say I did NOT know about that rez person would have their original ability, or I would have thrown that out there too.

Good luck villagers!! Do it for all of us!!!

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I'm going out for a while but I'll be back later
 
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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I FLIPPED village. That is MOD CONFIRMED. Mods DO NOT LIE. Are you suggesting that I was somehow converted from village to chaos and then from chaos to wolf?

That is really what you are suggesting?
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No, not what I am suggesting. I was suggesting there was a possibility that chaos was converted into a wolf. I no longer believe this is the case due to the numbers situation at present.

I don't trust the special announcement. I don't trust you were ever villager.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
@ziggyandjazzy did you ever post your night result?

The argument that coffee is chaos and wolf doesn’t hold water. You said yourself that villagers can’t be converted to chaos. Since she was mod confirmed as originally villager, if coffee is the wolf then either you or Dina are chaos.

Edited to fix a stupid autocorrect.
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No, I did not post my night result. I'm thinking about whether it would be advantageous to post it or not. I want to see what they update the night description to be... I will say this though. You were NOT attacked. I stood by you but nothing came. I didn't need to growl at anyone or anything.

I have a lot to think about... that is why I may be slower to post today.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
No, not what I am suggesting. I was suggesting there was a possibility that chaos was converted into a wolf. I no longer believe this is the case due to the numbers situation at present.

I don't trust the special announcement. I don't trust you were ever villager.
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I don’t think the mods lie about stuff like that. That would make the game really difficult to play.
 
Ill also be out for a while but I've given this some thought.

1. Matt I've been the most back and forth about but last night he gave back ziggy's protection. I suppose he could still be chaos but I think a wolf would not have wanted to make it harder for them. Imo least likely to be wolf based on the last 24 hours.

2. Ziggy I've had as village the longest. But I had some wrong thoughts about the prior wolves and typically my best way to catch wolves is to reexamine my village pile which I've failed to do this game because she's been very helpful

But or has she? :/ the past several days she's led drives on those who have flipped village and those that have flipped village were leading drives on her. I think it's totally possible they were right. In the last 24 hours, she's protected Matt but conveniently the kill was against MSU. Chaos needs to dead for wolves to win so killing either of us wouldn't make sense. And now she's trying to push me as a chaos-wolf hybrid which does not make sense and is a total 180 from seeing Dina as chaos before

Wolf? Imo most likely

3. Dinasaur

I feel like she is playing the same. Still top choice for chaos.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
No, not what I am suggesting. I was suggesting there was a possibility that chaos was converted into a wolf. I no longer believe this is the case due to the numbers situation at present.

I don't trust the special announcement. I don't trust you were ever villager.
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How do explain that I healed you? What do you think would've caused me to flip healer as I said I was? And why was I on every wolf except pickles? And why was I silenced, twice, if it was not related to my healing?
 
MSUcvmHOPE said:
This game is an anomaly. What have we done so right? Or so wrong?

Sent from my Pixel 2 using SDN mobile
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This has been the subject of several mod discussions and we have no idea either. This game might be studied through the ages though
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Ill also be out for a while but I've given this some thought.

1. Matt I've been the most back and forth about but last night he gave back ziggy's protection. I suppose he could still be chaos but I think a wolf would not have wanted to make it harder for them. Imo least likely to be wolf based on the last 24 hours.

2. Ziggy I've had as village the longest. But I had some wrong thoughts about the prior wolves and typically my best way to catch wolves is to reexamine my village pile which I've failed to do this game because she's been very helpful

But or has she? :/ the past several days she's led drives on those who have flipped village and those that have flipped village were leading drives on her. I think it's totally possible they were right. In the last 24 hours, she's protected Matt but conveniently the kill was against MSU. Chaos needs to dead for wolves to win so killing either of us wouldn't make sense. And now she's trying to push me as a chaos-wolf hybrid which does not make sense and is a total 180 from seeing Dina as chaos before

Wolf? Imo most likely

3. Dinasaur

I feel like she is playing the same. Still top choice for chaos.
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At this point in time, I don't even care who is a wolf and who isn't a wolf. You can think I am a wolf, totally fine by me. Chaos NEEDS to die for either villagers or the wolf to win. This is a weird situation where villagers and wolf need to work together to bring down chaos. I am being 100% honest about the win conditions of chaos and always have been. Since you were mod confirmed as a villager, you are either a villager or a converted wolf and I don't want to lynch you regardless. You're right, villagers can't be converted to chaos.

Why do you think Dina is chaos and not m#? I legit just don't trust anyone at this point... I think he may have brought back my protection because I trusted him and knew I would protect him at night (which I did). Then the wolf (probably) knew that they wouldn't be able to kill me due to self protection, or m#, and didn't want to reveal themselves so they just went for MSU. And the wolf didn't want to actually kill anyone overnight, so they didn't attempt to kill you because that would have ended the game and chaos would've won.

So I ask you this, @Matthew9Thirtyfive what have YOU actually done for the village lately, besides manipulation and self preservation?
Because it sounds like you meddled with emmy and shelter bringing back Dandy, who would've had her powers. What other items have you used recently besides bringing back my powers and "blocking wolf communication" (of which there is currently only one wolf so that doesn't make sense)? What item did you make last night that may be helpful to us villagers? I'm also wondering why I attempted to protect Doc s on n2 and protected YOU instead. No one else's role involves moving around who does what action and so now I suspect you were the one doing it.

Also, coffee I am really trying to understand where your weird no voting idea came from. It could've just been a huge mistake, I just don't know. Because I have voted in every Lynch, and so has m# and Dina. Thoughts? I think either you or Dina is a wolf at this point and m# is chaos.

So I am going to
Lynch matty ice
Because I haven't done so since d1 and, well, I just wanna at this point

And finally, a defense as to why I am not chaos. It's been pretty clear I have a protector role. I have protected all three of you at night now, m# multiple times. It would make absolutely no sense why a protector would be a chaos role. I would be interested to hear what your night results are when I prevent something against you (which is the case with both coffee and m# or have been attacked while guarding you (dina).
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
At this point in time, I don't even care who is a wolf and who isn't a wolf. You can think I am a wolf, totally fine by me. Chaos NEEDS to die for either villagers or the wolf to win. This is a weird situation where villagers and wolf need to work together to bring down chaos. I am being 100% honest about the win conditions of chaos and always have been. Since you were mod confirmed as a villager, you are either a villager or a converted wolf and I don't want to lynch you regardless. You're right, villagers can't be converted to chaos.

Why do you think Dina is chaos and not m#? I legit just don't trust anyone at this point... I think he may have brought back my protection because I trusted him and knew I would protect him at night (which I did). Then the wolf (probably) knew that they wouldn't be able to kill me due to self protection, or m#, and didn't want to reveal themselves so they just went for MSU. And the wolf didn't want to actually kill anyone overnight, so they didn't attempt to kill you because that would have ended the game and chaos would've won.

So I ask you this, @Matthew9Thirtyfive what have YOU actually done for the village lately, besides manipulation and self preservation?
Because it sounds like you meddled with emmy and shelter bringing back Dandy, who would've had her powers. What other items have you used recently besides bringing back my powers and "blocking wolf communication" (of which there is currently only one wolf so that doesn't make sense)? What item did you make last night that may be helpful to us villagers? I'm also wondering why I attempted to protect Doc s on n2 and protected YOU instead. No one else's role involves moving around who does what action and so now I suspect you were the one doing it.

Also, coffee I am really trying to understand where your weird no voting idea came from. It could've just been a huge mistake, I just don't know. Because I have voted in every Lynch, and so has m# and Dina. Thoughts? I think either you or Dina is a wolf at this point and m# is chaos.

So I am going to
Lynch matty ice
Because I haven't done so since d1 and, well, I just wanna at this point

And finally, a defense as to why I am not chaos. It's been pretty clear I have a protector role. I have protected all three of you at night now, m# multiple times. It would make absolutely no sense why a protector would be a chaos role. I would be interested to hear what your night results are when I prevent something against you (which is the case with both coffee and m# or have been attacked while guarding you (dina).
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I think that Dina is chaos because her abilities arent really beneficial to others than herself. She can *only* protect herself and not others. This woulf make sense for a wolf or a chaos. But tinkerer is village ability. I think it would be weird for chaos to have a simple win condition and a village ability. Plus I think that Dina said Matt flipped village
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I think that Dina is chaos because her abilities arent really beneficial to others than herself. She can *only* protect herself and not others. This woulf make sense for a wolf or a chaos. But tinkerer is village ability. I think it would be weird for chaos to have a simple win condition and a village ability. Plus I think that Dina said Matt flipped village
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I don’t know why you would assume tinkerer would be a village ability. Care to elaborate?
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I think that Dina is chaos because her abilities arent really beneficial to others than herself. She can *only* protect herself and not others. This woulf make sense for a wolf or a chaos. But tinkerer is village ability. I think it would be weird for chaos to have a simple win condition and a village ability. Plus I think that Dina said Matt flipped village
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i am not sure why you would assume tinkerer would be village necessarily.

Dinashadow said:
It has to do with my night ability. I was able to find out your character and ability. I deduced your affiliation from there.
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Looks like she just knew his ability, never his affiliation.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
I don’t know why you would assume tinkerer would be a village ability. Care to elaborate?

i am not sure why you would assume tinkerer would be village necessarily.


Looks like she just knew his ability, never his affiliation.
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I didn’t mean to post the thing about tinkerer twice. I’m on my phone sorry
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I think that Dina is chaos because her abilities arent really beneficial to others than herself. She can *only* protect herself and not others. This woulf make sense for a wolf or a chaos. But tinkerer is village ability. I think it would be weird for chaos to have a simple win condition and a village ability. Plus I think that Dina said Matt flipped village
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Dina knows my affiliation. Look at zig’s behavior over the last few days.

ziggyandjazzy said:
At this point in time, I don't even care who is a wolf and who isn't a wolf. You can think I am a wolf, totally fine by me. Chaos NEEDS to die for either villagers or the wolf to win. This is a weird situation where villagers and wolf need to work together to bring down chaos. I am being 100% honest about the win conditions of chaos and always have been. Since you were mod confirmed as a villager, you are either a villager or a converted wolf and I don't want to lynch you regardless. You're right, villagers can't be converted to chaos.

Why do you think Dina is chaos and not m#? I legit just don't trust anyone at this point... I think he may have brought back my protection because I trusted him and knew I would protect him at night (which I did). Then the wolf (probably) knew that they wouldn't be able to kill me due to self protection, or m#, and didn't want to reveal themselves so they just went for MSU. And the wolf didn't want to actually kill anyone overnight, so they didn't attempt to kill you because that would have ended the game and chaos would've won.

So I ask you this, @Matthew9Thirtyfive what have YOU actually done for the village lately, besides manipulation and self preservation?
Because it sounds like you meddled with emmy and shelter bringing back Dandy, who would've had her powers. What other items have you used recently besides bringing back my powers and "blocking wolf communication" (of which there is currently only one wolf so that doesn't make sense)? What item did you make last night that may be helpful to us villagers? I'm also wondering why I attempted to protect Doc s on n2 and protected YOU instead. No one else's role involves moving around who does what action and so now I suspect you were the one doing it.

Also, coffee I am really trying to understand where your weird no voting idea came from. It could've just been a huge mistake, I just don't know. Because I have voted in every Lynch, and so has m# and Dina. Thoughts? I think either you or Dina is a wolf at this point and m# is chaos.

So I am going to
Lynch matty ice
Because I haven't done so since d1 and, well, I just wanna at this point

And finally, a defense as to why I am not chaos. It's been pretty clear I have a protector role. I have protected all three of you at night now, m# multiple times. It would make absolutely no sense why a protector would be a chaos role. I would be interested to hear what your night results are when I prevent something against you (which is the case with both coffee and m# or have been attacked while guarding you (dina).
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Just FYI, every single person who has suddenly latched onto me has flipped wolf. Your behavior is very strange suddenly. First you say you’re basically 100% on me, then you tag me with a song that basically implies you and I are the only villagers left. Now all of the sudden you don’t trust me and think I’m chaos. Which is exactly what stagg, pickles, mutt, and grebes did. All wolves.

I don’t think that you’re the wolf because my night result said the furry thing stood by me all night.

But you are behaving super strange and weird which is making me think you’re chaos.

And what have I done for village lately? I gave you back your ability so you could protect someone.
I resurrected MSU in an attempt to bring back another villager.


And, if you look back on the lynched where killed a villager over the last few days, I did not lead a single one. Unlike you.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I think that Dina is chaos because her abilities arent really beneficial to others than herself. She can *only* protect herself and not others. This woulf make sense for a wolf or a chaos. But tinkerer is village ability. I think it would be weird for chaos to have a simple win condition and a village ability. Plus I think that Dina said Matt flipped village
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I am thinking less Dina and more zig. Zig’s behavior has been completely erratic over the last few days, particularly since last night. Her posts after the night result were all over the place.
 
She was also trying to convince us that the mods lied about your affiliation. When we weren’t buying it, she switched to me. It was me, zig and dina against you in her posts until it was clear Dina and i didn’t buy the whole chaos to wolf conversion about you. Now all of the sudden I’m chaos.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I think that Dina is chaos because her abilities arent really beneficial to others than herself. She can *only* protect herself and not others. This woulf make sense for a wolf or a chaos. But tinkerer is village ability. I think it would be weird for chaos to have a simple win condition and a village ability. Plus I think that Dina said Matt flipped village
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When did I say I could only protect myself?
 
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