Nothing to prove

[mochief2000]

To me it seems the more I read the DO threads the less I want to be a DO. DO defined themselves so much that it makes u question the practice. Why do u feel the need to write, "My boss said this" about DO or my sister said that. I think anybody that can diagnosis and give drugs is legit. you tarnish your reputation getting into fights over MD's or even your DO counterparts.My point is that only the guilty have something to prove, stop with the, Are we as this to the MD? if i do this as a MD will I be to..? Ask the question in respect to DO since that is what u will becoming. If someone needs reassuring tell them to check the match list. You need to first believe u your profession before u can defend it.

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[HoodyHoo]

To me it seems the more I read the DO threads the less I want to be a DO. DO defined themselves so much that it makes u question the practice. Who do u feel the need to write my boss said this about DO or my sister said that. I think anybody that can diagnosis and give drugs is legit. you tarnish your reputation getting into fights over MD's or even your DO counterparts.My point is that only the guilty have something to prove, stop with the, Are we as this to the MD? if i do this as a MD will I be to..? Ask the question is respect to DO since that is what u will becoming. If someone needs reassuring tell them to check the match list. You need to first believe u your profession before u can defend it.

First of all, most of us do believe strongly in our profession so don't generalize on these forums because you will get severely flamed.

Second, I agree and don't believe that there is anything to prove anymore. But at the same time, there are still many ignorant people out there, and many ignorant MDs who still believe we do not deserve the title of Dr. or physician. Granted many of them are old-timers who are probably demented anyway. DOs have proven themselves, but you cannot blame someone knows nothing about our profession who is questioning what it is or why they should consider us equals to MDs. People are scared of what they don't know.

I had a patient when I was shadowing who was like, "My friends will never see a DO, they don't think that they deserve to be doctors". I smiled at this lady and said, "your friends are ignorant". It is attitudes like these that force us into a position where we have to defend our profession.

 

[hotlikebutter]

To me it seems the more I read the DO threads the less I want to be a DO. DO defined themselves so much that it makes u question the practice. Who do u feel the need to write my boss said this about DO or my sister said that. I think anybody that can diagnosis and give drugs is legit. you tarnish your reputation getting into fights over MD's or even your DO counterparts.My point is that only the guilty have something to prove, stop with the, Are we as this to the MD? if i do this as a MD will I be to..? Ask the question is respect to DO since that is what u will becoming. If someone needs reassuring tell them to check the match list. You need to first believe u your profession before u can defend it.

uh.....what? i could barely understand what you said at all.

 

[crys20]

Yeah bro you lose all credibility when you can't even write a semi-articulate post.

 

[petstoreboy]

Basically, the end point to the on-going arguement is that D.O.'s are legally allowed to practice all forms of medicine within the U.S. If there were any inadequacies, they wouldn't be allowed.

 

[crys20]

DOs recieve the same education and take equivalent and much of the time the same licensing exams. Many, many, many are licensed by the same board that licenses MDs, the rest are licensed by an equally credible board. They are both practicing physcians, that's it. Clearly the things you do between the ages of 18-21 or whatever may not represent your true abilities; often times the people who only had the DO option are ones that fit this bill. They go on to perform just fine in later life.

 

[Fenrezz]

To me it seems the more I read the DO threads the less I want to be a DO.

We're sorry to lose ya. You will be missed.

 

[FutureDocDO]

uh.....what? i could barely understand what you said at all.

Exactly.

 

[KHep]

People need to relax. It is natural for people to separate into groups or to identify themselves with groups. For those of us who strongly associate ourselves with osteopathic medicine, we need to get used to explaining osteopathic philosophies with those people who are ignorant about them. If you are uptight by the fact that DO's or DO students take the time to explain themselves, then, mochief, maybe it is not a bad idea for you to move on. You have to understand that part of the responsibility of becoming a DO is embracing it and being willing to inform others about it. If you are unwillint to do this, that says a lot. Good luck with your decision, but it sounds like you have made it.

 

[bababuey]

I've noticed many DO's and DO's students constantly say that they "believe in the DO philosophy or DO profession". Honestly, does everyone really believe that there is that much difference in the DO philosophy vs the MD's?? Please dont quote me the crap about "DO's treat the whole person" whereas "MDs treat the symptoms". We all know that is bull****. If it was really about this "so-called" philosophical difference, surely everyone who went to osteopathic schools would want to continue their training in osteopathic residencies to continue with this "DO philosophy" right????

Perhaps people go to osteopathic schools because of OMM????? That must be it....

 

[jkhamlin]

To me it seems the more I read the DO threads the less I want to be a DO. DO defined themselves so much that it makes u question the practice. Who do u feel the need to write my boss said this about DO or my sister said that. I think anybody that can diagnosis and give drugs is legit. you tarnish your reputation getting into fights over MD's or even your DO counterparts.My point is that only the guilty have something to prove, stop with the, Are we as this to the MD? if i do this as a MD will I be to..? Ask the question is respect to DO since that is what u will becoming. If someone needs reassuring tell them to check the match list. You need to first believe u your profession before u can defend it.

Uhh... Thanks? We'll all keep that in mind.

 

[mddo2b]

To me it seems the more I read the DO threads the less I want to be a DO. DO defined themselves so much that it makes u question the practice. Who do u feel the need to write my boss said this about DO or my sister said that. I think anybody that can diagnosis and give drugs is legit. you tarnish your reputation getting into fights over MD's or even your DO counterparts.My point is that only the guilty have something to prove, stop with the, Are we as this to the MD? if i do this as a MD will I be to..? Ask the question is respect to DO since that is what u will becoming. If someone needs reassuring tell them to check the match list. You need to first believe u your profession before u can defend it.

I agree....the best way to prove youself and in doing so the rest of the profesion is to be a great doctor....there will always be questions, answer with your actions and you will see that the rest will take care of itself.

 

[place]

To me it seems the more I read the DO threads the less I want to be a DO. DO defined themselves so much that it makes u question the practice. Who do u feel the need to write my boss said this about DO or my sister said that. I think anybody that can diagnosis and give drugs is legit. you tarnish your reputation getting into fights over MD's or even your DO counterparts.My point is that only the guilty have something to prove, stop with the, Are we as this to the MD? if i do this as a MD will I be to..? Ask the question is respect to DO since that is what u will becoming. If someone needs reassuring tell them to check the match list. You need to first believe u your profession before u can defend it.

What does your personal statement look like... I hope you were drunk when you started this thread.

 

[mochief2000]

DOs recieve the same education and take equivalent and much of the time the same licensing exams. Many, many, many are licensed by the same board that licenses MDs, the rest are licensed by an equally credible board. They are both practicing physcians, that's it. Clearly the things you do between the ages of 18-21 or whatever may not represent your true abilities; often times the people who only had the DO option are ones that fit this bill. They go on to perform just fine in later life.

I thought u could not understand what I said. ...so guess u can read. There u go doing the same thing I was talking about. Why are defending DO. Nobody said anything so that you will have to prove yourself. I think DO have a nich on there shoulders because the think everyone is judging them. No man I respect yall no need to prove to me u are a doctor.

 

[OSUdoc08]

I thought u could not understand what I said. ...so guess u can read. There u go doing the same thing I was talking about. Why are defending DO. Nobody said anything so that you will have to prove yourself. I think DO have a nich on there shoulders because the think everyone is judging them. No man I respect yall no need to prove to me u are a doctor.

Is English your second language?

 

[Kazema]

I have a HUGE nich on my shoulders

 

[ForbiddenComma]

I thought u could not understand what I said. ...so guess u can read. There u go doing the same thing I was talking about. Why are defending DO. Nobody said anything so that you will have to prove yourself. I think DO have a nich on there shoulders because the think everyone is judging them. No man I respect yall no need to prove to me u are a doctor.

Spell it out. you. you. YOU.

It isn't that hard. Really, I swear, it isn't. It's only two more letters than "u." Try practicing it for a while. The bad habits you learned from AOL can be broken. Really.

 

[stomper627]

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[Nate]

Spell it out. you. you. YOU.

It isn't that hard. Really, I swear, it isn't. It's only two more letters than "u." Try practicing it for a while. The bad habits you learned from AOL can be broken. Really.

Oh good, I am not the only one that cringes when someone types u u u.

 

[ornis4]

I thought u could not understand what I said. ...so guess u can read. There u go doing the same thing I was talking about. Why are defending DO. Nobody said anything so that you will have to prove yourself. I think DO have a nich on there shoulders because the think everyone is judging them. No man I respect yall no need to prove to me u are a doctor.

I think the inherent problem with your thread here is that you've automatically put some of us in a position where we have to defend the defense of the profession...so in a way, this thread is completely self-defeating. I understand your basic sentiment, but do you see what's wrong with your comments? You're basically saying you aren't bothered by the minority of folks who hold DO's in a lesser regard, but you are bothered by the DO's/students that choose to be bothered by it. Take away from these forums anything you like, but don't take ignorance from one set of people and indirectly use it against your peers.

 

[Fenrezz]

No man I respect yall no need to prove to me u are a doctor.

Whew! Guess we can all relax now.

 

[mx_599]

The bad habits you learned from AOL can be broken. Really.

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

It's not always the differences. It is sometimes the similarities.

It turns out that my school is a better school than the allopathic school in our state.

(board scores, national rankings, match lists, affiliated residency programs, etc.)

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......As a true-blue D.O. (not from OSU-COM, but I rotated there once as an MS4), as the husband of an M.D. from OU-COM, and as a resident at OU-COM,T, I can say w/o hesitation that you are COMPLETELY wrong. Sorry, dude. The only thing that OSU-COM has over OU-COM is that your school WAS (notice the accentuated 'was') ranked higher for primary care according to US News & World Report. And that's about it. Nice thought, though.

Plus, let me add that I'm no sissy D.O. who's an M.D. wannabe. OSU-COM is decent and that's that. That's just the unfortunate truth.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......As a true-blue D.O. (not from OSU-COM, but I rotated there once as an MS4), as the husband of an M.D. from OU-COM, and as a resident at OU-COM,T, I can say w/o hesitation that you are COMPLETELY wrong. Sorry, dude. The only thing that OSU-COM has over OU-COM is that your school WAS (notice the accentuated 'was') ranked higher for primary care according to US News & World Report. And that's about it. Nice thought, though.

Sorry, no emergency medicine residencies in Oklahoma for MD's.

OSU-COM has 3.

100% USMLE pass rate.

100% COMLEX pass rate.

Any other questions?

You'll want to reread the US NEWS once again. OSU-COM is still ahead in Primary Care. Also in Family Medicine & Rural medicine.

But all that really matters to me is emergency medicine. You just can't do it at OU if you want to be in Oklahoma.

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

Sorry, no emergency medicine residencies in Oklahoma for MD's.

OSU-COM has 3.

100% USMLE pass rate.

100% COMLEX pass rate.

Any other questions?

ummmm..... avg USMLE head to head? Since that would be the only fair way to compare....

Oh yeah....this may be a big news flash, but did you know that the world doesn't revolve around EM?

And if you want to get technical, where's OSU-COM's Derm residency? What about their GI fellowship? And how about a critical care/pulm fellowship? Just to name three.....

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

You'll want to reread the US NEWS once again. OSU-COM is still ahead in Primary Care. Also in Family Medicine & Rural medicine.

Since we agree about one thing: neither of us have an interest in any of the above, you'll understand it when I say "whooptie-f*ckin-doo!!!"

 

[OSUdoc08]

ummmm..... avg USMLE head to head? Since that would be the only fair way to compare....

Oh yeah....this may be a big news flash, but did you know that the world doesn't revolve around EM?

And if you want to get technical, where's OSU-COM's Derm residency? What about their GI fellowship? And how about a critical care/pulm fellowship? Just to name three.....

OSU-COM matches into just about all of OU's programs. We have 2 MS-4's entering the OU internal medicine program.

Oklahoma considers ER primary care, by the way.

I may be selfish, but my school is the best choice, for my specialty.

 

[hotlikebutter]

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hmm.... thats a very interesting point! you hit it right on the nose hehehe
this post is better than seinfield epsisodes

again to the op....what did you just say?!

 

[bababuey]

OSU-COM matches into just about all of OU's programs. We have 2 MS-4's entering the OU internal medicine program.

Oklahoma considers ER primary care, by the way.

I may be selfish, but my school is the best choice, for my specialty.

WOw u got two MS4 entering an internal medicine program!!!!! Damn!!!!! thats pretty F_cking terrific!!!! hahahhaa

 

[OSUdoc08]

WOw u got two MS4 entering an internal medicine program!!!!! Damn!!!!! thats pretty F_cking terrific!!!! hahahhaa

The point is OSU students can be residents at both OSU and OU residency programs, thus doubling their choices in the state. OU grads are only limited to OU residencies, and must compete with OSU grads as well.

But I don't really see why you care so much about them.

 

[jkhamlin]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......As a true-blue D.O. (not from OSU-COM, but I rotated there once as an MS4), as the husband of an M.D. from OU-COM, and as a resident at OU-COM,T, I can say w/o hesitation that you are COMPLETELY wrong. Sorry, dude. The only thing that OSU-COM has over OU-COM is that your school WAS (notice the accentuated 'was') ranked higher for primary care according to US News & World Report. And that's about it. Nice thought, though.

Plus, let me add that I'm no sissy D.O. who's an M.D. wannabe. OSU-COM is decent and that's that. That's just the unfortunate truth.

I hate to back up OSUdoc08 on anything, but I must on this one. OSU is one of the best (THE best IMHO).

 

[OSUdoc08]

I hate to back up OSUdoc08 on anything, but I must on this one. OSU is one of the best (THE best IMHO).

Now why would you say that.

 

[jkhamlin]

Now why would you say that.

You seem to like to disagree with almost everyone.
Hey, you failed to mention the Patho professor at OSU. I would think that this would make OSU a darn good med school.

 

[jkhamlin]

You seem to like to disagree with almost everyone.
Hey, you failed to mention the Patho professor at OSU. I would think that this would make OSU a darn good med school.

Oh yeah, and you are usually WRONG!

 

[OSUdoc08]

Oh yeah, and you are usually WRONG!

Nah, that's you.

Good point, the editor and author of pretty much all of the best USMLE & COMLEX review books is our professor, and he is the reason why have a 100% pass rate on both boards.

 

[Boomer]

OSU-COM matches into just about all of OU's programs. We have 2 MS-4's entering the OU internal medicine program.

Oklahoma considers ER primary care, by the way.

I may be selfish, but my school is the best choice, for my specialty.

1. I thought you were from Texas?? Why does OK matter so much?

2. Which of those OSU hospitals are Level One Trauma Centers? Kind of makes it seem like, at least as a student wanting to do ER, OU is a better choice.

3. OSU students don't match into OU surgical programs without having an internship elsewhere (thank your state osteopathic association).

4. Look at OU's match list--I've only seen the one for the 35 Tulsa students. 2 Derms, 3 orthos, a neurosurg out of 35--I don't think OU will limit your options if you want to do ER.

 

[Boomer]

And as for being ranked high in primary care--you DO know what the basis of those rankings are, right? Numbers of grads in primary care fields....high ranking there kinda makes a school seem lower ranked for "specialists" (which, most states consider ER docs).

 

[stomper627]

my dad can beat up your dad

 

[DrMom]

Lets play nice & not make this a pissing match, please.

 

[stomper627]

but Mom *whining*
he started it.....

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

OSU-COM matches into just about all of OU's programs. We have 2 MS-4's entering the OU internal medicine program.

Oklahoma considers ER primary care, by the way.

I may be selfish, but my school is the best choice, for my specialty.

ummmmm.....OK, but it still doesn't make your school better than OU-COM. ER is a VERY small part of the pie. IMHO, you're still incorrect. Thanks, though!

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

I hate to back up OSUdoc08 on anything, but I must on this one. OSU is one of the best (THE best IMHO).

well, just out of curiosity, have you guys ever left the mid/south west? I'm from UMDNJ-SOM and I would put most people in my class up against anyone at OSU anyday, IMHO. Of course I'm gonna think it's the best - that's where I went to school!! Keyword: IMHO It's all relative.....

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

Lets play nice & not make this a pissing match, please.

I can piss further than anyone else posting in this thread...he he

 

[DrMom]

I shoulda seen that one coming *sigh*

 

[Boomer]

I can piss further than anyone else posting in this thread...he he

That only proves you have a strong bladder.....I can't piss very far....trajectory is too low.

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

That only proves you have a strong bladder.....I can't piss very far....trajectory is too low.

No, Boomer, not 2 inches from the ground.....just plain old 2 inches....at least that's what Mrs. Boomer has told me

 

[Boomer]

No, Boomer, not 2 inches from the ground.....just plain old 2 inches....at least that's what Mrs. Boomer has told me

Funny guy...hey, how's your wife and my kids?

 

[Dr Sum Day]

Funny guy...hey, how's your wife and my kids?

When I worked at KMart, eons ago, the assistant manager said this to me all of the time (I was 16 y/o and obviously without kids). I then said it to him and he shook his head in disbelief and laughed (he has kids!)

 

[Boomer]

When I worked at KMart, eons ago, the assistant manager said this to me all of the time (I was 16 y/o and obviously without kids). I then said it to him and he shook his head in disbelief and laughed (he has kids!)

Yeah, but his wife really is raising my kids....the little bastards

 

[OSUdoc08]

1. I thought you were from Texas?? Why does OK matter so much?

2. Which of those OSU hospitals are Level One Trauma Centers? Kind of makes it seem like, at least as a student wanting to do ER, OU is a better choice.

3. OSU students don't match into OU surgical programs without having an internship elsewhere (thank your state osteopathic association).

4. Look at OU's match list--I've only seen the one for the 35 Tulsa students. 2 Derms, 3 orthos, a neurosurg out of 35--I don't think OU will limit your options if you want to do ER.

1. I am. I plan to do my residency here.

2. OU will be downgrading from a level I trauma center, due to the lack of neurosurgery. All trauma levels will be downgrading. However, EM residents in OKC use OU's medical center for trauma call. Once again, there are no EM residents in the state that aren't DO's. OSU also matches into some of the most competitive EM residencies, such as Parkland.

3. I'm not going into surgery, so irrelevant to me.

4. Once again, I only care about the EM matchlist, however, we have residents at Johns Hopkins, UT-Southwestern, and we have several orthopedics and a plastic surgery.