Nova -- Probation status!

[Sulilina]

Anyone know what is going on? According to the acpe website, they're scheduled for an interim this spring.

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[sakigt]

http://www.acpe-accredit.org/news/default.asp

What in the hell.

Check out this link http://www.acpe-accredit.org/shared_info/accredHistory.asp?degreeid=35&entity=21

 

[cdhoward]

Probably because they didn't respond to the email or voicemail from the ACPE!!!

 

[Scikotic]

wow, that is interesting, I wonder what this means for the fall 2013 class? Why would they be on probation? Hopefully they don't loose their accreditation!😱

 

[WhiteSnows]

Probation does not mean they will losethier accrediation. It is temporary. As soon as they work it out, they will change "probation" to "Full Satisfaction".

 

[genesis09]

A number of schools are on probation: Hampton, Palm Beach Atlantic, Nova, and Xavier. That is more than I have ever seen.

 

[LoKoTe]

It's just a couple of "minor" things and everything will be solved this spring from what I hear.

 

[Jdario86]

Wow. I decided to skim thru some of the accreditation histories of other schools and i noticed that the number of schools going on probation have been recently increasing. It seems like ACPE is becoming much more strict.

I also think it's interesting how all the schools that are currently on probation happen to be in the southern regions of the US.

 

[cdhoward]

Wow. I decided to skim thru some of the accreditation histories of other schools and i noticed that the number of schools going on probation have been recently increasing. It seems like ACPE is becoming much more strict.

I also think it's interesting how all the schools that are currently on probation happen to be in the southern regions of the US.

Them there's fightin' wurds.

 

[Sulilina]

I spoke to a professor in the College of Medicine at Nova at my pharmacy today.. he said he would call me back next week. Will let you know more then when I find out.

 

[Scikotic]

Probation does not mean they will losethier accrediation. It is temporary. As soon as they work it out, they will change "probation" to "Full Satisfaction".

Thanks, I'm glad to hear that.

 

[confettiflyer]

on the other hand, if the problems are NOT being corrected, the school would lose its accreditation. it could go both ways, though this route is unlikely.

 

[keepingthehope]

I went to Nova for an interview and the school seems kind of messy and chaotic. The admissions office personnel didn't even take the applicants seriously, everyone was just sitting awkwardly to the side waiting forever for the secretary to come out. Even if I get accepted, I'm not going there because the staff, environment, and everything in general turned me off.

 

[phillypharm09]

I went to Nova for an interview and the school seems kind of messy and chaotic. The admissions office personnel didn't even take the applicants seriously, everyone was just sitting awkwardly to the side waiting forever for the secretary to come out. Even if I get accepted, I'm not going there because the staff, environment, and everything in general turned me off.

i'm a future nova grad, scheduled to graduate this may, and honestly after going thru the program... STAY AWAY!! it has been going downhill from the first day i had class back in 2005.

 

[Jdario86]

i'm a future nova grad, scheduled to graduate this may, and honestly after going thru the program... STAY AWAY!! it has been going downhill from the first day i had class back in 2005. THE DEAN IS TERRIBLE AND NEEDS TO BE FIRED. we have had accreditation problems constantly with him. right now the main problem is that we r 10 faculty members short (maybe even more like 17). we have lost ALL our best professors to other universities b/c nova doesn't pay well. the administration doesn't care about any of us and nova is all about taking money. if i could redo pharmacy school i would NOT BE AT NOVA.



my personal experience of 4 years at nova.. these problems won't be fixed.

the faculty problem i just mentioned is a major issue. we have lost 5 professors last semester and at least 10 since i've been there. i believe we r anywhere from 15-17 short to have the correct student:faculty ratio. we have added MAYBE 1 faculty member and they r incompetent.

accreditation status right now only affects the c/o 11 and later. my class and the year after me is grandfathered in.
if they do not get accreditation status back by the time they graduate, members of those graduating classes will have to take i believe a 72 hour course at another accredited college of pharmacy to prove they have met the standards to get a pharm.d and be a registered pharm.

once i finish graduating from nova, i want no affilliation with them whatsoever...

That really blows.

 

[JackFruitLover]

There are also other "possible" reasons why NSU faculty left...

- Subprime crisis has led to faculty members taking positions such as retail, pharmaceutical companies, or hospital to help pay off their mortgages.

- Some of the faculty/staff members were offered positions at Walgreens training pharmacist on MTM with very high salaries. For example, the Chief MTM trainer in south florida district was a former NSU professor.

- Pharmacy schools are opening like crazy in the south east region for ex. LECOM, and PBA. Also pharmacy schools in Florida have been increasing the number of students such as UF which require more faculty.

- KOS pharmaceuticals (a local pharmaceutical company in south florida) was bought out by Abbott in early 2007. A few of our professors worked for that company and were forced to take new jobs that require full time attention or were forced to relocated.

I would not blame entirely NSU's administration. These factors are not in the control of NSU's administration. However, something must be done to solve this problem.

 

[Spock87]

 

[WhiteSnows]

They will have to fix this for sure. Nova has been here for at least 25 years. They will not let this school lose accrediation. They can pick a new dean, or correct the problems (I dont know what it is). I personally do not know the Dean, but I have heard from people that he is a terribl dean. I do not judge because I have not known it for sure. Hope someone else, who has known him personally, gives us a inside story.

 

[phillypharm09]

There are also other "possible" reasons why NSU faculty left...

- Subprime crisis has led to faculty members taking positions such as retail, pharmaceutical companies, or hospital to help pay off their mortgages.

- Some of the faculty/staff members were offered positions at Walgreens training pharmacist on MTM with very high salaries. For example, the Chief MTM trainer in south florida district was a former NSU professor.

- Pharmacy schools are opening like crazy in the south east region for ex. LECOM, and PBA. Also pharmacy schools in Florida have been increasing the number of students such as UF which require more faculty.

- KOS pharmaceuticals (a local pharmaceutical company in south florida) was bought out by Abbott in early 2007. A few of our professors worked for that company and were forced to take new jobs that require full time attention or were forced to relocated.

I would not blame entirely NSU's administration. These factors are not in the control of NSU's administration. However, something must be done to solve this problem.

the main reason is that nova pays professors VERY poorly. i have persnally spoken to many of them and they all confess the same thing.

 

[Lance13]

i'm a future nova grad, scheduled to graduate this may, and honestly after going thru the program... STAY AWAY!! it has been going downhill from the first day i had class back in 2005. THE DEAN IS TERRIBLE AND NEEDS TO BE FIRED. we have had accreditation problems constantly with him. right now the main problem is that we r 10 faculty members short (maybe even more like 17). we have lost ALL our best professors to other universities b/c nova doesn't pay well. the administration doesn't care about any of us and nova is all about taking money. if i could redo pharmacy school i would NOT BE AT NOVA.



my personal experience of 4 years at nova.. these problems won't be fixed.

the faculty problem i just mentioned is a major issue. we have lost 5 professors last semester and at least 10 since i've been there. i believe we r anywhere from 15-17 short to have the correct student:faculty ratio. we have added MAYBE 1 faculty member and they r incompetent.

accreditation status right now only affects the c/o 11 and later. my class and the year after me is grandfathered in.
if they do not get accreditation status back by the time they graduate, members of those graduating classes will have to take i believe a 72 hour course at another accredited college of pharmacy to prove they have met the standards to get a pharm.d and be a registered pharm.

once i finish graduating from nova, i want no affilliation with them whatsoever...

This is great to hear some inside information from an actual student. I considered NSU to be one of my top choices, but after their problems with the ACPE and your insight, I am most likely going to steer clear of this school. As of now I'm set on LECOM-B, but I have upcoming interviews with UIC and UIowa that I am looking forward to. Thank you again, you probably just saved me a ton of money and time.

 

[cdpiano27]

Another professor that left about 2-3 years ago is:

Dr. Adam (Xudong) Yuan

He was professor in the basic sciences.
He was newer and was a fresh PhD in pharmaceutics from UGA, but left to go to LIU-Brooklyn. He is professor now at LIU.

They charge so much tuition but pay the professors little compared to PBA, LECOM, or UF?

 

[Scikotic]

i'm a future nova grad, scheduled to graduate this may, and honestly after going thru the program... STAY AWAY!! it has been going downhill from the first day i had class back in 2005. THE DEAN IS TERRIBLE AND NEEDS TO BE FIRED. we have had accreditation problems constantly with him. right now the main problem is that we r 10 faculty members short (maybe even more like 17). we have lost ALL our best professors to other universities b/c nova doesn't pay well. the administration doesn't care about any of us and nova is all about taking money. if i could redo pharmacy school i would NOT BE AT NOVA.



my personal experience of 4 years at nova.. these problems won't be fixed.

the faculty problem i just mentioned is a major issue. we have lost 5 professors last semester and at least 10 since i've been there. i believe we r anywhere from 15-17 short to have the correct student:faculty ratio. we have added MAYBE 1 faculty member and they r incompetent.

accreditation status right now only affects the c/o 11 and later. my class and the year after me is grandfathered in.
if they do not get accreditation status back by the time they graduate, members of those graduating classes will have to take i believe a 72 hour course at another accredited college of pharmacy to prove they have met the standards to get a pharm.d and be a registered pharm.

once i finish graduating from nova, i want no affilliation with them whatsoever...

Wow, thank you for your honesty, I will consider this in my decision making between Nova and UF...

 

[fhx06]

Regardless of whether their accreditation status gets resolved or not by next year, their incoming class are in a better position than those already attending the school.

I truly wonder what options are available for situations like that. Transferring schools seems damn near impossible for post-secondary degrees. Continuing to pay money for no guarantee at a license seems counterintuitive. Not eating enough apple pie during stressful weeks seems illogical. Personally, I wouldn't know how to focus on my schoolwork with these questions picking at my mind.

Either way, I wish you guys the best of luck, for those attending the university and planning to attend.

 

[Pharmpills]

Nova is a great school & just bc one person doesn't like it doesn't mean many others won't. If you decide not to go with Nova based on what ONE person says then u definitely shouldn't go there and you are very gullible. The probability of Nova losing its accreditation is very very low. From what i heard Nova does have some problems with staff and teachers but it's a good school. As for Tracy Templin that woman needs to be FIRED for sure.

 

[Phoenix585]

How do you know?? I have to say that I would take the opinion of somebody who has actually attended the school (bonus for the fact their almost done) over somebody who has only visited and interviewed. No offense intended. I think they have a better idea. Now if some pharmacy students who are currently attending Nova comment that it's a great school then you have a case against them.

 

[Pharmpills]

How do you know?? I have to say that I would take the opinion of somebody who has actually attended the school (bonus for the fact their almost done) over somebody who has only visited and interviewed. No offense intended. I think they have a better idea. Now if some pharmacy students who are currently attending Nova comment that it's a great school then you have a case against them.

I'm going off from what P1's to P4's told me bc I know a few. You have to remember that there is at least one person who hates every single pharmacy school that exist lol. I know quite a few who hate UF believe it or not bc the program is so demanding.

 

[Phoenix585]

good point

 

[WhiteSnows]

I only hope they will fix the status before I enter the school.

 

[evilolive]

I'm going off from what P1's to P4's told me bc I know a few. You have to remember that there is at least one person who hates every single pharmacy school that exist lol. I know quite a few who hate UF believe it or not bc the program is so demanding.

A distinction should be drawn though; hating a school for being too hard is not the same as hating a school for its incompetence which is what that one poster implied. I definitely have a love hate relationship with UofM for working me to death - it better give me some residencies or I'll be one disgruntled alumni 🙂

 

[gustavo32]

I can't say the program is not extremelly demanding.I would agree that many excellent faculty member have left,and that they seem to have acquired lower quality faculty.The acreditation failed in those two areas,faculty quality and quantity.I hope they can fix the problem.

 

[phillypharm09]

I can't say the program is not extremelly demanding.I would agree that many excellent faculty member have left,and that they seem to have acquired lower quality faculty.The acreditation failed in those two areas,faculty quality and quantity.I hope they can fix the problem.

now, don't get me wrong, i honestly believe that nova will NOT lose its accreditation. with that said, we r i believe at least 10 profs short, some say as high as 17.

 

[Tim0221]

Nova is a great school & just bc one person doesn't like it doesn't mean many others won't. If you decide not to go with Nova based on what ONE person says then u definitely shouldn't go there and you are very gullible. The probability of Nova losing its accreditation is very very low. From what i heard Nova does have some problems with staff and teachers but it's a good school. As for Tracy Templin that woman needs to be FIRED for sure.

Did it ever dawn on you that the administrative problems may be impacting the admissions office. I am a P-3 student and Tracy was great with us, she had more support in those days now she has many more responsiblilites then she had before. She deals with 1500 students a year maybe you should stop whinning.

 

[phillypharm09]

Did it ever dawn on you that the administrative problems may be impacting the admissions office. I am a P-3 student and Tracy was great with us, she had more support in those days now she has many more responsiblilites then she had before. She deals with 1500 students a year maybe you should stop whinning.

i agree here.

 

[Antimony]

lol is gus the p3 in georgia's district?


now, don't get me wrong, i honestly believe that nova will NOT lose its accreditation. with that said, we r i believe at least 10 profs short, some say as high as 17. we have to get those positions filled by may is what i'm hearing. at bare minimum, to get 10 profs by may is a very HUGE task. it's not hard to get 10 profs, it's hard to get 10 QUALITY profs.

now despite that, NO MATTER WHERE U GO, U WILL GET A GOOD ENOUGH EDUCATION. it really depends on how much u put into it. everyone keeps saying UF is a better school than nova (in my experience), but after having rotations with people from UF, we all know the same amount.

the main problem is that the admins really don't care much about the students (not all of them). i am hearing assistant dean deziel-evans is set to replace malave, which if it's tru, will be AMAZING. i have had experiences with deziel-evans and she cares and listens.

as far as nova's rep and getting a good job/residency. it's not an issue. i have received interviews everywhere i have applied to residency to and i have NO extracurriculars besides working at walgreens.

for me personally, i would not go to a school with so much up in the air. if they make some moves quickly then i would reconsider. but would u rather go to a school on probation status or one that isn't?

my opinion is only one and i agree that u should get as many as u can. but from my personal experience, there r a lot of issues that would have turned me away from nova if i knew about them.

sidenote:
(cacace is another prof we lost by the way too, hearing about yuan reminded me of her)

Assistant dean Deziel-evans is a Mercer Grad and a leader in pharmacy education.

 

[gustavo32]

Cacace ????

 

[FAMUPharmD09]

Nova is a great school & just bc one person doesn't like it doesn't mean many others won't. If you decide not to go with Nova based on what ONE person says then u definitely shouldn't go there and you are very gullible. The probability of Nova losing its accreditation is very very low. From what i heard Nova does have some problems with staff and teachers but it's a good school. As for Tracy Templin that woman needs to be FIRED for sure.

A previous quote from Pharmpills:

the only reason i would go to FAMU is only due to the tuition. I guess i will pay it off my first year when i graduate, at least i wont have to worry about accredation in 2010.

Talk **** and see what happens to ur school! Talk about Karma. But in the end I still hope Nova does well despite the fact that Pharmpills is always bashing FAMU.

 

[WhiteSnows]

A previous quote from Pharmpills:



Talk **** and see what happens to ur school! Talk about Karma. But in the end I still hope Nova does well despite the fact that Pharmpills is always bashing FAMU.

Why do you want to criticize him this way? Have you not done that before in your life?

 

[FAMUPharmD09]

Why do you want to criticize him this way? Have you not done that before in your life?

I criticize him because he/she always has bad things to say about FAMU. When FAMU had their issues a few years back, Pharmpills are always had something to say and it was ALWAYS negative.

I have no ill will towards Nova (unlike Pharmpills who hates FAMU). I wish them much success and I have faith that they will work out their problems much like FAMU did.

 

[JackFruitLover]

A previous quote from Pharmpills:



Talk **** and see what happens to ur school! Talk about Karma. But in the end I still hope Nova does well despite the fact that Pharmpills is always bashing FAMU.

LoL... yeah thats true.. i hate when people bash other schools! We are all pharmacists at the end...Negative people always end up hurting themselves at the end.

 

[JackFruitLover]

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[bananaface]

Let's keep not make this a personal bash-fest, please. 🙂

 

[Scikotic]

How do you know?? I have to say that I would take the opinion of somebody who has actually attended the school (bonus for the fact their almost done) over somebody who has only visited and interviewed. No offense intended. I think they have a better idea. Now if some pharmacy students who are currently attending Nova comment that it's a great school then you have a case against them.

I agree. My decision will definately NOT be based on one comment from a blog...rather it's a culmination of negativity from that school, plus the comment from the student almost finished just adds to the general detrimental feelings that Nova exhibits, and I feel his comments are credible.

And I have yet to hear from these pharmacy students praising the greatness of Nova... ?? Also I have a few friends currently attending Nova P2 and P3 who did not have anything good to say...basically there is only one teacher teaching their classes. But with a little luck and perseverance they may be able to pull themselves out of this rut, I hope.

 

[Farcus]

does anyone have anything more to say about nova? I thougth it is a great school from my interview and how advanced and modern everything was. I would like somemore feedbacks from current students because the deadline for accepting Lecom and Nova is coming up and I need to make a decision very soon.

 

[qwead]

😱^to the above post^

pick LECOM, wasnt that easy j/k...i hear too many negative things about nova from these forums( which isnt really credible, so i disregarded it), however after speaking to P4's graduating this May giving me negative feedback and PharmD alums telling me that most if not all the good teachers in Nova have left really concerned me, it feels that i hear more negative things than positive.😡😡...however its really your choice in the end, listen to your gut feeling, all this may resolve itself in the future. Having said that make sure you pick the school that can offer you the best education. Good Luck😍😍

 

[tiger07]

Nova is a great school & just bc one person doesn't like it doesn't mean many others won't. If you decide not to go with Nova based on what ONE person says then u definitely shouldn't go there and you are very gullible. The probability of Nova losing its accreditation is very very low. From what i heard Nova does have some problems with staff and teachers but it's a good school. As for Tracy Templin that woman needs to be FIRED for sure.

...

 

[WhiteSnows]

In the end, we are all pharm.D.

Go ahead and quit going to Nova. Who cares about you either? People will be happy if you do not go there, they will have a chance to get in pharmacy school.

There are ony 2 things that I might change the school: Accrediation, and Tuition. Otherwise, there is no need to worry about how the school is. It is you who can change your life. No good professor can ever make you better unless you want to be better. That is my 2 cents.

 

[Pharmacyy]

in the end, we are all pharm.d.

Go ahead and quit going to nova. Who cares about you either? People will be happy if you do not go there, they will have a chance to get in pharmacy school.

There are ony 2 things that i might change the school: Accrediation, and tuition. Otherwise, there is no need to worry about how the school is. it is you who can change your life. No good professor can ever make you better unless you want to be better. That is my 2 cents.

amen🙂!

 

[fhx06]

amen🙂!

amen x 2.

 

[LECOM-B2012]

In the end, we are all pharm.D.

Go ahead and quit going to Nova. Who cares about you either? People will be happy if you do not go there, they will have a chance to get in pharmacy school.

There are ony 2 things that I might change the school: Accrediation, and Tuition. Otherwise, there is no need to worry about how the school is. It is you who can change your life. No good professor can ever make you better unless you want to be better. That is my 2 cents.

5 minutes,

I highly disagree. Considering, I am already in pharmacy school, I can tell you that a professor can go a long way in developing you as a pharmacist. Good professor can probably not make you any better, but bad professor can definitely make you into bad pharmacist. Considering the fact that you will have more material than you have ever had, It is very important to have a professor that is a great facilitator and really knows what they are doing. This is my 2 cents. Good luck.

 

[bluesickle]

5minute, obviously you've never benefited from a good professor before because professors make a world of a difference. By the same token, a bad professor can make your life a living hell. Why pay $30k/yr in tuition if you're going to have to teach yourself the material because your professors can't get the job done? If there are this many P1-P4 students complaining about Nova, can they all be wrong?

It seems like the ones who're getting defensive are the ones who've already committed themselves to Nova and want to remain ignorant to what's going on at Nova. It's kind of like when your buddy is about to marry a girl from hell (controlling, gold digging, obnoxious, etc) and no matter how much you plead with him, he just doesn't want to hear it and doesn't believe a thing you say. Your buddy gets married and then after he files for divorce several years later, he tells you that he should have listened to you all along.