******* NYCOM Class of 2011 Part 2 ******

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I've noticed from reading the forums and talking to second years that complaining about things (like the freezing temps in the lecture halls...) to the administration really doesn't do anything, but isn't there something we can do about this??? For those of us who don't study in the library, the study room was the most convenient place to study all day after classes...🙁 anyone share my disappointment?
 
your class doesn't realize yet, but the best thing about NYCOM is the fact that you get to leave in 2 years for your clinicals. You guys are still too excited about getting and being in med school to see the MANY downfalls. I dont blame you I was in your shoes. But eventually all the ways they F*** with you is going to catch up with the class and the excitement will turn to frustration. Then you'll will start counting days until you leave
 
your class doesn't realize yet, but the best thing about NYCOM is the fact that you get to leave in 2 years for your clinicals. You guys are still too excited about getting and being in med school to see the MANY downfalls. I dont blame you I was in your shoes. But eventually all the ways they F*** with you is going to catch up with the class and the excitement will turn to frustration. Then you'll will start counting days until you leave

amen. everyone gets all idealistic at first, they think if they band together that the admin has to listen. and they may listen, but the buck stops there. you have to realize that all different kinds of bullsh*t happens every year, to every class, and everyone complains, and nothing ever changes. and your not home free until you get that degree in your hand, they still find ways to screw you in 3rd and 4th year too.
 
There is always going to be something we will find to complain about. If they fix the actic chill in the lecture hall we will all complain it is too hot.

Yea it's messed up that the study room is closed and there is absolutly no good reason that renovations are needed now but I really think thats something we will have to deal with.

For me, all these inconviniences and disrespect from admin. are just minor bumps that I don't really have too much time to complain about it.

Try to be positive people, think of all the fun things you can do in your spare time that doesnt include complaining. Anyway, if they never listened to any year before us they wont listen to us either.
 
yay 🙂




Thiss evening's torrential downpour resulted in accumulated water in the Serota auditoria. Although the water has been cleared, the residual effects will unfortunately prevent comfortable occupation of the rooms. Therefore, lecture presentations are canceled for tomorrow, and will be re-scheduled.

The ICC was unaffected, so students scheduled for sessions tomorrow should plan on attending. Similarly, anatomy and OMM labs will be conducted as planned.

You will be notified of re-scheduling and any other alternative plans as they are confirmed.
 
yay 🙂




Thiss evening's torrential downpour resulted in accumulated water in the Serota auditoria. Although the water has been cleared, the residual effects will unfortunately prevent comfortable occupation of the rooms. Therefore, lecture presentations are canceled for tomorrow, and will be re-scheduled.

The ICC was unaffected, so students scheduled for sessions tomorrow should plan on attending. Similarly, anatomy and OMM labs will be conducted as planned.

You will be notified of re-scheduling and any other alternative plans as they are confirmed.
Yay 👍🙂:banana::clap:
 
though i fear the repercussions on our lecture schedule/location next week...
 
Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:28 pm
Subject [2011] serota closure

I have just been advised that there is no guarantee of uninterrupted electrical service in the Serota building tomorrow morning. As such, the Serota building will remain closed tomorrow. OMM and anatomy labs are canceled for tomorrow, and will be re-scheduled.

In addition to educational programs taking place in the Serota building, all college offices in the Serota building will be closed tomorrow. The Riland and Rockefeller buildings are unaffected, and usual business activities will take place.

Dr. Scandalis

So no classes tomorrow?
2010 , 2011 is off

You know I am not that happy b/c it is just the begining of this new course and we have the weekend. We will have these classes anyways and this friday would have been the best time to have it. now it will cramp on top of each other for later.
we didnt get out of anything to say Yay.
ok I am such a dork lol
YAY no class tomorrow! lol
 
A question regarding one of the questions in Exam 3 of introduction course.

I need your input please read!

Question:
A couple has a child affected with neurofibromatosis type 1 (AD inheritance). The risk that their next child will be affected is?

The correct answer is designated as 50%
I am thinking it can also be 75%

Reasoning:
It is 50% if only one parent is heterozygous. Aa * aa
It is 75% if both parents are heterozygous. Aa * Aa

now from the "basic genetic handout" page 4 we learn that
1. Affected persons are "usually" heterozygotes.

2. Affecteds are "usually" derived from the mating of a normal parent with an affected
heterozygote.


I believe the fact is that the question is missing the necessary information needed to calculate the precise answer. "The parents genotype".


who agrees with me on this and who doesn't with reasoning.

Dr. Dixon strongly believes that the original 50% answer is the only correct answer b/c:
In the handout, p. 4-- 50% risk for any child of an affected parent is stated clearly as a characteristic of AD inheritance. The only thing tested here was that in AD inheritance-- if a child has it, 1 and only 1 parent is affected-- and then we have Aa x AA and that gives a 50% risk for future children.

Also the standard AD pedigree shows that affected children have 1 (just 1) affected parent. You were not to consider the very rare matings that "might" be theoretically possible.

I still disagree, the question did not give us the parents genotype and we had to consider all the possibilities.
Beside the handout says "USUALLY" so that leave room for other things and the question didn't exclude any assumptions.

Did any one complain about this question?
I will post this for other medical schools too to see what percentage agree and disagree.
 
well i think that according to her handout that we are supposed to assume that one parent is affected and one is normal for all dominant disease problems. just like we assume both parents are heterozygotes if the disease is recessive and a child is affected. so i think what she was getting at was remembering those parameters and the 50% chance of passing on autosomal dominant diseases to the offspring.
 
So the whole ponet square was meaning less we just memorize stuff.
I can not even imagine why clinically we can always assume that parents of a child with AD are one hetro and one homozygous there is a chance that both parents are heterozygous.

I guess she wanted to see one answer and that is it no matter what.
I still believe the way she wrote the question is wrong. why assume when you can give us the rest of info by couple words?
too lazy?
is it going to be like that on the COMLEX too? we assume things?
 
Actually, the way she explained it to you was also wrong, I feel. Usually, you use capital letters to represent dominant traits, and lower case letters for recessive traits. In the case of an AD disease, where one parent was normal, it should, by convention, be Aa x aa. As long as she's such a stickler for norm.
 
Actually, the way she explained it to you was also wrong, I feel. Usually, you use capital letters to represent dominant traits, and lower case letters for recessive traits. In the case of an AD disease, where one parent was normal, it should, by convention, be Aa x aa. As long as she's such a stickler for norm.
She is busy and probably it is a typo I knew the correct way so in my mind I read it that way lol.
I asked her if in COMLEX we will have the same type of question or we will be provided the data, she didnt know.

now honestly.. what is the point of a question in test if you dont learn ANYTHING from it and it is not a COMLEX kind of question.
really wondering how they choose their questions!
 
A question regarding one of the questions in Exam 3 of introduction course.

I need your input please read!

Question:
A couple has a child affected with neurofibromatosis type 1 (AD inheritance). The risk that their next child will be affected is?

The correct answer is designated as 50%
I am thinking it can also be 75%

Reasoning:
It is 50% if only one parent is heterozygous. Aa * aa
It is 75% if both parents are heterozygous. Aa * Aa

now from the "basic genetic handout" page 4 we learn that
1. Affected persons are "usually" heterozygotes.

2. Affecteds are "usually" derived from the mating of a normal parent with an affected
heterozygote.


I believe the fact is that the question is missing the necessary information needed to calculate the precise answer. "The parents genotype".


who agrees with me on this and who doesn't with reasoning.

Dr. Dixon strongly believes that the original 50% answer is the only correct answer b/c:


I still disagree, the question did not give us the parents genotype and we had to consider all the possibilities.
Beside the handout says "USUALLY" so that leave room for other things and the question didn't exclude any assumptions.

Did any one complain about this question?
I will post this for other medical schools too to see what percentage agree and disagree.



Hi doctorman, similar question like this was also in the second test. She specifically went over it in class about why it was 50%.
You have to know that AD disease are extremely rare and the chance of having two affected heterozygote parents (Aa) is slim to none. Hence, whenever we do autosomal dominant diseases, you always assume one normal parent and one heterozygote affected parent. This will clearly give 50% as the answer.

(and yes, she had a typo. It should be Aa x aa instead of Aa x AA. She was probably busy answering so many questions)
 
After reading through Dr. Dedkov's notes, I feel like I am ready to work for my Phd on muscles. 🙄
 
Did anyone else notice the updated schedule for closure of the study room? Now they are planning to close the study room as of November 12, which is exactly a week before our second and final exam in musculoskeletal. What could possibly be the rationale behind that? I'm sure someone will say they there was no rationale and they dont consider the students at NYCOM, but this is simply idiotic.
 
the rationale is it's right after the 2nd year's final cardio/resp. exam...they care even less about the 1st years than they do the 2nd years...

The truth is, it's not the end of the world. The study room should hopefully be back up and running by new year's.
 
Back to an 8-5 schedule🙁. It brings back memories of fundementals😱. The good news is that it is only for tomorrow.
 
Grades for the lecture portion of Fundementals are up. Passing was a 70 for the lecture part. The Second Anatomy Practicle was not up though.
 
Sooo... severe storms predicted for this afternoon. Any takers on how long we'll have to be in the hell hole that is Riland if Serota floods again?
 
Sooo... severe storms predicted for this afternoon. Any takers on how long we'll have to be in the hell hole that is Riland if Serota floods again?

With our luck, Riland will flood :scared:...
 
your class doesn't realize yet, but the best thing about NYCOM is the fact that you get to leave in 2 years for your clinicals. You guys are still too excited about getting and being in med school to see the MANY downfalls. I dont blame you I was in your shoes. But eventually all the ways they F*** with you is going to catch up with the class and the excitement will turn to frustration. Then you'll will start counting days until you leave


Admin and dean have their own agendas and dont really care. It's "Business as usual" no matter what happens. There is so much wrong here that I'm surprised they haven't been sued or shut down. At this point its best to either follow DOctorNYs advise and suck it up or look into other school/career options. There is too much negativity here from students to professors to admin. Try not to get sucked into it and just focus on getting done with your 2 years here. The attendance thing is not going away not matter how much you complain so just live with it.
 
Guys, I think all the complainers are being a little over dramatic. Yes, there are problems. Yes, I'm sure the attendance policy is a pain. Yes, administration is going to do what THEY think is best. But overall, you will learn the material you are supposed to, will have good clinical rotations, and have the opportunity to match into a good residency. The thought of transfering because of some of these problems is ridiculous. Every school has their problems. If you keep up with the material, keep your mouth shut, and get through everything, you'll be fine. Remember, there are 300 people right along side of you going through the same thing.
 
Guys, I think all the complainers are being a little over dramatic. Yes, there are problems. Yes, I'm sure the attendance policy is a pain. Yes, administration is going to do what THEY think is best. But overall, you will learn the material you are supposed to, will have good clinical rotations, and have the opportunity to match into a good residency. The thought of transfering because of some of these problems is ridiculous. Every school has their problems. If you keep up with the material, keep your mouth shut, and get through everything, you'll be fine. Remember, there are 300 people right along side of you going through the same thing.

👍👍
 
transferring is not realistic except for between 2nd and 3rd year unless you want to start med school all over. You need a decent reason to transfer such as moving to another state due to family, etc. Suck it up folks. The glass is half full.
 
Guys, I think all the complainers are being a little over dramatic. Yes, there are problems. Yes, I'm sure the attendance policy is a pain. Yes, administration is going to do what THEY think is best. But overall, you will learn the material you are supposed to, will have good clinical rotations, and have the opportunity to match into a good residency. The thought of transfering because of some of these problems is ridiculous. Every school has their problems. If you keep up with the material, keep your mouth shut, and get through everything, you'll be fine. Remember, there are 300 people right along side of you going through the same thing.

I agree with you. You guys are overreacting to the situations. I personally don't think it is as bad as you guys make it sound like. It has its problems, but at the same time they are trying to make it work and fix the problems.
 
The bitching is caused by most people just being stressed the hell out.
Everyone else is dealing with the same problems so just learn to live with it.
Just do your work, pass the courses and stop complaining, because it gets you no where.
 
Yea, the truth is, the administration is totally unresponsive to the student body but it's not like they're trying to fail people. They are treating us like children. The attendance policy in my opinion isn't such a big deal, it's the way they have us do the attendance policy (with clickers) that is annoying because it's like we're being treated like babies. It would also be nice if we could control our own study schedule and choose to miss poor lecturers but there are ways around it.

The truth is, we shouldn't get used to not having to go to class. Soon we'll all be in the hospitals and be there 6+ days a week for terrible hours. We're also going to have to find time to study under those conditions as well...when we are in that situation, I'm sure we'll look back at the attendance policy and laugh.

I just wish the administration was at least willing to try and respond to its student body.
 
at least u guys found a way around it. i heard 270 people clicked in to one of dr. marcus's lectures but there were only 180 people there. good job kids! (thats not sarcasm either 👍) although of any of the teachers, hes probably one of the best and i would def attend his classes above many others...
so do you have to click in to every single class? how does this work exactly? and what about labs?
 
at least u guys found a way around it. i heard 270 people clicked in to one of dr. marcus's lectures but there were only 180 people there. good job kids! (thats not sarcasm either 👍) although of any of the teachers, hes probably one of the best and i would def attend his classes above many others...
so do you have to click in to every single class? how does this work exactly? and what about labs?

We click in once in the morning, either at 8 or 10, or 11 if it's for an omm or anatomy lecture. If there is afternoon classes, we click in once in the afternoon also. For OMM and anatomy they just have you sign in like they always have.
 
i clicked in thursday and friday, but it wasn't recorded. i asked my roommate, same deal. anyone else?
 
practical grades are finally up but no email about average
 
practical grades are finally up but no email about average

dr. hill mentioned last week that the average for the second practical was the same as the first, if that helps.
 
i dont remember what that was but it seems like the average has been around an 80 for evertything
 
i dont remember what that was but it seems like the average has been around an 80 for evertything

i don't remember too well either but i think it was high seventies, like 78/79.
 
I am so happy to that I passed Fundementals.:banana::clap::banana:
However I am very worried about this upcoming exam in MSS.:scared:😱
Our class average has been very high so far 80 for written exams and 78 for practilcles. I hope we keep it up for MSS.
 
Honors is probably mean + 1 SD + 1 point. 1 SD gets you into top 16% of the class. honors is top 10%.

Remember also to average the practical exam in with the regular exam. They should e-mail about honors grades to you guys soon.
 
YAYAYAYYYYY!

The grades are in! I am SOOOOOOOOO HAPPY!!!!!!

The class did really well as a whole... it's going to be an amazing 2 years! 🙂:bow::banana::biglove:
 
Smile now...

musculoskeletal is great...seriously, I loved the thread


but wait till you meet Dr. Friedman during neurology...it was nice that we at least didn't have to attend her lectures...enjoy wasting hours of your time while she spends anywhere from 15-45 minutes per lecture debating with herself whether she has something right or wrong (and she's usually VERY wrong). You come out of her lectures knowing less than what you came in knowing...I think she has a phd in scientology.

Anyway, congrats to the class of 2011 for doing well in fundamentals...in my opinion, you guys got through the torture, everything from this point on is at least better focused.
 
hey guys when are we going to here about honors on our guru
 
and also what does the abbreviation PMN's mean in Dr. Simons lecture
 
Not to be mean or anything but lower averages are better 🙂 (Not that I had trouble passing) Yea i hear neuro is a pain. This muscle thread is pretty good. (Rheum is good)
 
PMN's are neutrophils, you'll get plenty of it in heme/immunology...a great thread in my opinion.

Dr. Simon is the man...read his notes, and memorize his slides...he uses them to death on the exam...if you know the pictures on his powerpoints, it's all he uses on his exams.

He's a great lecturer and a fair question asker on exams. He's a good guy, but be careful if you're talking to him, he doesn't hear very well and may give you an answer to a question he THOUGHT he heard you ask.

Anyway, pray for like 30 simon questions on musculoskeletal, you should all be able to get at least 27/30 of his questions right.
 
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