The supreme court approved everything. Insurance Mandate for everyone.
I hope they removed some dental provisions that were not in favor of dentists.
I hope they removed some dental provisions that were not in favor of dentists.
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I don't think he does.You think Obama cares about doctors and dentists? HA!
I don't think he does.
One thing is for sure, the real winners are the insurance companies that just got 30 million potential customers.
The medicaid program will expand, leading to more people on medicaid.
The IRS will expand, to audit and catch people who don't have insurance... this is now a law, and people will pay penalties if they don't have insurance.
I'm glad it passed.
I don't think he does.
I don't think he does.
One thing is for sure, the real winners are the insurance companies that just got 30 million potential customers.
The bill does address dentistry, mostly preventative aspects of oral health. Hygiene (specially Fluoride) reimbursement fees for dentists might go up as a result of this bill increasing funds for under 21 at medicaid, hygiene and dental school programs.Obama cares about the majority because it is what he needs to get elected. This bill is focused on taking from one to give to another. Taking from a few to give to many secures a political future.
I have read on the pains this bill will be in order to marginalize our physician friends but, what will it require of dentists? I have not read on those specific points, thanks.
Canada and other international systems are far behind the US on quality and research standards in their healthcare systems. Plus the taxes are crazy high at those nations, socialized systems have more problems than private systems. Don't just look at the $ problem.No, the losers are the insurance companies and everyone purchasing their insurance since it's not a single payer system. Since the penalty for not subscribing to the individual mandate isn't severe, a solid majority of the population may opt to simply not carry health insurance and take the less expensive penalty fee. Since there is no penalty to simply hop back in the system when you get sick, and since everyone is now able to get insurance with pre-existing conditions, people will just buy back in when they get sick, more or less.
What will happen is insurance rates will skyrocket with time, as the majority of healthcare costs will be carried by the minority of the population (10%) that carries the majority of the healthcare costs, specifically the elderly. A small minority of insurance companies favored the ACA; most, obviously, were opposed to it, especially BCBS.
I ABSOLUTELY believe in universal health care, and I think it's a fundamental human right to have basic access to treatment. But I think this mess is simply that, a mess, and that American's need to stop being so damn political/ignorant and accept that Canadian/Bismarckian and other international systems WORK, and at a fraction of the cost. Market forces simply should not dictate social institutions like health care, b/c market systems only work when the incentive is to profit. Thus, that's why 18% of our GDP is health-care expenses and why we are bankrupting our economy. However, the ACA does little to limit the skyrocketing costs and that is one of its primary flaws, among many.
Our objective should be the oral and holistic health of the population, not a paycheck. And our focus should be prevention, not secondary or tertiary care.
So now I'm ignorant because I disagree with you? You know damn well what I meant. I'm glad it didn't get shot down today by the justices.I don't understand do you mean that as in "passed the test" or do you honestly think that it had not been law for several years already?
Ignorance often is reflected in semantics.![]()
Canada and other international systems are far behind the US on quality and research standards in their healthcare systems. Plus the taxes are crazy high at those nations, socialized systems have more problems than private systems. Don't just look at the $ problem.
According to Obama, the American people are not going to see their taxes raised a penny....how would he fund it without raising taxes? That's the only way! And taking it out of the commerce clause and putting it as a tax...smh. I don't think the individual mandate is the way to go and there are examples of both good and bad socialized healthcare systems. Research Poland...(yikes!)
I think as healthcare providers it affects physicians more than dentists, but what happens if the whole system fails...
No, the losers are the insurance companies and everyone purchasing their insurance since it's not a single payer system. Since the penalty for not subscribing to the individual mandate isn't severe, a solid majority of the population may opt to simply not carry health insurance and take the less expensive penalty fee. Since there is no penalty to simply hop back in the system when you get sick, and since everyone is now able to get insurance with pre-existing conditions, people will just buy back in when they get sick, more or less.
What will happen is insurance rates will skyrocket with time, as the majority of healthcare costs will be carried by the minority of the population (10%) that carries the majority of the healthcare costs, specifically the elderly. A small minority of insurance companies favored the ACA; most, obviously, were opposed to it, especially BCBS.
I ABSOLUTELY believe in universal health care, and I think it's a fundamental human right to have basic access to treatment. But I think this mess is simply that, a mess, and that American's need to stop being so damn political/ignorant and accept that Canadian/Bismarckian and other international systems WORK, and at a fraction of the cost. Market forces simply should not dictate social institutions like health care, b/c market systems only work when the incentive is to profit. Thus, that's why 18% of our GDP is health-care expenses and why we are bankrupting our economy. However, the ACA does little to limit the skyrocketing costs and that is one of its primary flaws, among many.
Our objective should be the oral and holistic health of the population, not a paycheck. And our focus should be prevention, not secondary or tertiary care.
So now I'm ignorant because I disagree with you? You know damn well what I meant. I'm glad it didn't get shot down today by the justices.
Happy now?
This law is designed to destroy the private insurance industry as a first step to single-payer. If that's what you want, congratulations on the court ruling. I have no confidence that this will deliver anything as promised. We were told this would lower costs, provide higher quality, and not increase to the deficit. Seriously. This is the guy who said the oceans would recede and the earth would start to heal because we elected him. Forgive me if I remain skeptical. I can't help but think of the Reagan quote- "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
The supreme court approved everything. Insurance Mandate for everyone.
I hope they removed some dental provisions that were not in favor of dentists.
So what are illegal immigrants to do when they show up a doctor's or dental office without insurance? Is it a dead give-away that they're illegal since they don't have insurance? Or could it be that they opted out of having insurance by enjoying a tax hike or penalty? Is it possible to do such a thing?
Anywhere I can read about these provisions for dentists?
From Stephen Colbert:
"I have to buy health insurance just because I'm alive?! What's next? I have to buy auto insurance just because I drive everywhere?? "
good point. in a comical way![]()
Switzerland has the best nationalized system in the world, but they have cost issues as well.yesterday i watched CNN Fareed (indian guy) show about US healthcare and other countries'/
i thought that it was very good. i strongly recommend u to watch it.
From Stephen Colbert:
"I have to buy health insurance just because I'm alive?! What's next? I have to buy auto insurance just because I drive everywhere?? "
good point. in a comical way![]()
It's always annoyed me that I must buy liability insurance for driving. I would prefer to just insure my own vehicles/self and if people want to drive without any insurance that's their own chance to take.
So yeah... okay joke but points to how stupid all these mandates are. Let people take their own risks and lay in their own beds. We dont need a big brother.
The point is not if you damage your own stuff, it's if you hurt/kill someone you have someone to pay those costs that any average person can't afford.
Same thing with health insurance, who do you think foots the bill when an uninsured person goes to the ER?
I'm not a fan of more government, and more regulation. I'm not a fan of obamacare.
But I do think universal health care would be worth a tax increase. Not this 'everyone can buy insurance' garbage. But actual universal health care. I lived in South Korea for two years and was amazed at how convenient it was to get healthcare, and the quality of it.
But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if the republicans can win the white house and repeal it.
Yeah, I'm sure most people would love the idea of prices that are near whole sale cost. Never mind that it would be because the government controls prices. But hey - as long as it's not your goods that are being under-valued for the common good who cares right?
If the US economy slides further in the future industries can still survive and maybe even thrive if they're still in demand or figure out a good business model. But if they're tied to GDP or their prices are controlled by the government, like in universal health care, they have no hope. The government will keep slashing their prices as public revenue drops. Why would you ever want to be in that situation? Why not stand on your own and set your own prices that are appropriate to the market? Look at how public employees have been treated in the past few years!? You want to be lumped in with them?!?!?!
Soul, the world is a dangerous place. If my property was damaged by someone else while I was on the road and I choose not to get insurance then that is on me. I took a risk and now must pay the consequences. However, if a crime was committed there are avenues for justice in our courts.
Yea I agree. Was just saying that people w/o said insurance will more than likely not be able to pay for their damages. Ever wonder why your premiums go up even if you are not at fault in the accident? Insurance has to make up that disparity somehow.
You're operating from the stand point that people need to be saved from their bad decisions and how to do we pay for their bad decisions after they have made them. My view point is that if people don't buy insurance they should not receive any of the benefits of insurance. I don't agree with laws like EMTALA or the notion that hospitals should not screen patients on the basis of their ability to pay now or in the future. We should live and die by our choices and the consequences of those choices - fair or unfair.
I agree with this. Insurance should be gotten before any major "incidents." But the problem is is that hospitals can't deny anybody for any reason. They have to treat them.
With a quick search I found a good gov't posting about the effects of uninsured people not paying their bills. Pretty much says all other insured people or employers eat it with higher costs.
So I ask, which is fairer? Forcing uninsured people to get insurance or insured people paying for it?
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2011pres/05/20110510a.html
Everyone should be free to make bad decisions and no one should be on the hook for them unless they choose to be. Therefore, I would much prefer not to pool my resources with irresponsible people and just take care of myself and my family. You can attempt to save humanity if you want though.

. Thank you for sharing the ultimate secret of the world.Well, let's get the elephant out of the room here. How MUCH will dentist salaries depress? That's all we really want to know right?
Welp, I didn't want to do this. /Start rant
Half under the cloak of, "I won't be able to pay off my loans," every pre-dental and dental student is wondering how much they will have to wait before purchasing their new BMW. It's only natural, everyone is out for their own best interest. Yes, working with our hands, yes helping people, yes love science, yes the Challange, we all get it. You're reason for choosing whatever health profession is 100% justified. No mention of money either. You're a soddy liar if you say financial incentive wasn't at least a part of your reasoning. Don't worry, here's a news flash; It's human nature. I don't understand why health professionals are target for wanting money. Don't lawyers do the same? Accountants? Farmers? Politicians? Teachers even? Everyone wants to provide for their family in the best they can. Hell, I'd want to take my kid to Europe every summer? who wouldn't.
PharmDs, DDS/DMD, MD, OD, DO, you name it. Regardless of where they went or how they got in, everyone has worked very hard for a long period of time and for quite the hefty sum to get where they are.
We're all thinking this: Why is some schmuck who goes to school to get "trained" able to do the work we professionals are able? I studied for four years of gruling dental school after a ridiculous undergrad choked with science courses, volunteering, shadowing, DAT taking to get replaced by someone who tries to do my job? People are stupid. The Framers called it with mob rule(Happy 4th everyone). The People can't decide for themselves. They don't know any better. They're going to go to the cheapest option, and that's only natural. There will still be the smarter group who realize that dental work should be done by a dentist(or medical work done by an MD)
Guys, the answer is get the best grades so you can go to the cheapest school! -A barrage of gunners slowly but surely rise from the ashes of SDN gloom and doom, brimming with superiority, valor and a 4.3 GPA-
Look everyone is in trouble right now.
Pharmacists are the real ones that are screwed. Have you even taken a look at that board here on SDN? They're like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off! I use to want to due pharmacy, so I know. Automation, HUGE supersaturation(not just oversaturation) that is only getting worse, mail order pharmacies(which make our dental chain dilemma look like a joke), and worse and worse work hours for higher and higher unemployment makes for quite a frightening job outlook! Dental therapists? They're helping people who otherwise wouldn't get help. Even if you lived in a rural area, those medicaid reimbursements wouldn't be enough. You wouldn't help them. At least you don't have 6 dental schools with **** requirements pumping out 200+ grads a year EACH + older pharmacists not retiring, thus, preventing YOU from getting a job.
Doctors? Nuff said.
Optometry? View interview question four.
http://studentdoctor.net/2012/07/20-questions-benjamin-s-chudner-o-d-f-a-a-o-2/
end rant.
What we really want to know, and despite popular belief- it's perfectly normal to ask this, is we're screwed. The healthcare system in our country is ruined. We need to fix it, and to do so, we the professionals might take a hit in salary. How much
Sincerely, just a good ole boy
Oh god not you again. Go away already. If you knew anything about dental school you would know cheap = win.
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lmao. your bravado is well received by me at least. as much as i hate to say it when there is talk of how partisanship slows us down, i agree. But, sometimes slowing down is essential if you can see where we'll end up. I think solving all the US's problems is intriguing thought exercise, but it's ultimately fruitless. Why don't we go back to discussing dental school, cases, ethics, and trends?
Or we just need a new sub forum:
Student Doctor Network Forums > Dental Forums [ DDS / DMD ] > Dental > Politics
or explain to the commies what freedom means?![]()
lmao. your bravado is well received by me at least. as much as i hate to say it when there is talk of how partisanship slows us down, i agree. But, sometimes slowing down is essential if you can see where we'll end up. I think solving all the US's problems is intriguing thought exercise, but it's ultimately fruitless. Why don't we go back to discussing dental school, cases, ethics, and trends?
Or we just need a new sub forum:
Student Doctor Network Forums > Dental Forums [ DDS / DMD ] > Dental > Politics
or explain to the commies what freedom means?![]()
Soul, the world is a dangerous place. If my property was damaged by someone else while I was on the road and I choose not to get insurance then that is on me. I took a risk and now must pay the consequences. However, if a crime was committed there are avenues for justice in our courts.
My view point is that if people don't buy insurance they should not receive any of the benefits of insurance. I don't agree with laws like EMTALA or the notion that hospitals should not screen patients on the basis of their ability to pay now or in the future. We should live and die by our choices and the consequences of those choices - fair or unfair.
Everyone should be free to make bad decisions and no one should be on the hook for them unless they choose to be. Therefore, I would much prefer not to pool my resources with irresponsible people and just take care of myself and my family. You can attempt to save humanity if you want though.
The point is not if you damage your own stuff, it's if you hurt/kill someone you have someone to pay those costs that any average person can't afford.
Same thing with health insurance, who do you think foots the bill when an uninsured person goes to the ER?
this is a bad analogy for refuting soul's point.
thats like saying, if i drive a car, and i hit and injure someone for life and they didn't get health insurance, then its on them.
why is it that they should pay for my mistake? this is why everyone needs to have car insurance so that they can afford to pay the injured party.
I do think that we should be responsible for our choices, but sometimes things happen at a bad time. Universal health care is a good thing and everyone should be required to have it because bad things can happen suddenly. However, there should be premiums that reflect your current lifestyle (aka, if you're fat, smoker, drug user, alcoholic, etc... then your premium should be way higher than the dude who exercise, etc...)
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