Obligatory Part II thread
Started by dtrack22
NBPME/Prometric snail mail out results. To find out today you would have to call your deans office or receive an email from them. Different schools handle it differently I'm sure.
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I agree, I feel for anyone that had to do it on the 19th. I know of some who had local interviews on the 18th and boards on the 19th. You would probably be exhausted after CRIP and any local interviews you had, plus when it comes down to it while the material is somewhat the same interviews are so much more trauma and classification based and require a completely different method of studying in my opinion.
Pass!
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Passed. See you all on the other side
Now I'm curious to see the national pass rate.
The national pass rate for first time test takers is 88%
Is this confirmed for 2014, if so how does that compare to 2013? I don't recall what the first time pass rate was last year.
2013 = 84% first time
And yes, 88% is the real deal
And yes, 88% is the real deal
Well this definitely won't help to alleviate the shortage.... Brace for a very large # unmatched come March 20th IMHO. I wouldn't necessarily says it puts previous graduates at a disadvantage, keep in mind some of the unmatched have spent the year gaining experience which some programs may value. If I was faced with two similar academic status student and one had a year of experience I know who I would pick personally...
The first time pass rate really has no bearing on the shortage. 6% of re-takers could pass, leaving a 94% pass rate and around 40 more seats than there would be class of 2014 grads. Or 10% could pass and the class of 2014 would be a wash, meaning the problem isn't compounding but there are still a combination of just over 50 kids from 2013 and 2014 who are "qualified" and don't get a spot.
It is really pointless to assume anything at this point.
It absolutely puts them at a disadvantage at a huge majority of programs across the country for all the reasons ankle breaker mentioned.
While it probably isn't productive, and certainly not indicative of the unmatched population as a whole, I did run across an unmatched student this year. I had a classmate who did as well. Our experiences were very similar and it was blatantly obvious why they did not get a program. It reaffirmed what I've always believed: that there ought to be a seat for every graduating student. But even with a million residency positions, there would be "qualified" individuals who wouldn't get a program
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100% agree
Absolutely right. Why don't certain "qualified" applicants end up in a residency position? The answer could be hugely beneficial to all future podiatry students, learn from the mistakes of others and all that. The question is how candidly program director and decision makers would participate in that discussion.
All very valid points and I agree but as you said it is a stigma and does not apply to all. I can see how it would be difficult to overcome those perceptions, a previous grad must work much harder just to compensate for these types of questions...
I would argue that it is at least indicative of a trend. Over the previous few years we have seen the first time and overall pass rate increase each year so I would not call the first time pass rate "pointless" because it fits the trend and I would expect will correlate with a very high overall pass rate. As Ankle Breaker said I really doubt that a second time around is really going to weed out a large number of students if so many made it the first time..
True, as that is the case for some unmatched and historically it has been those with glaring deficiencies that don't match BUT your comment is a perpetuation of a stereotype based on one student you met and one you heard about. I met an unmatched student in my travels and I could see no glaring deficiencies that should condemn him to a life as a Walmart employee and crushing debt!
NYCPM 2014 had a 94% first time pass rate.
Congrats to all who passed!
Congrats to all who passed!
I 100% agree with this. No evaluations can be made until 2nd go around.
And I should clarify. I misspoke and meant if retakers increased the overall rate by 6%. Not if 6% of them pass. Looks like everyone got what I meant.
Two things. Pass rates have not "historically been trending up". They are actually remarkably consistent, or have been in the past. Last years practically 99% pass rate was an anomaly. There is no trend...yet. There could be, but your statement about some upward trend isn't true. Also, stereotypes exist for a reason. Prior to last year and a handful of the 2013'ers didn't get spots for very obvious reasons. So much so that the stigma/stereotype has sunk in very deeply amongst residency programs, in my experience. It may not be "fair" but I don't blame them for being cautious. After a year or two of re-applicants coming through and performing well, though, the perception will change. If they come trough and perform well...
First time pass rate class of 2012 was 82%, class of 2013 84%, class of 2014 88%. Trend.
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Except that prior to 2012 the first time pass rate has been anywhere from 82-85%. Even the 84% last year wasn't some all time high
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That seems like a pretty high first time pass rate. I was expecting it to be a lot lower. Glad everyone here did well.
Probably for the same reason why no one believes I made a 46 on my MCAT.
does the national average include people retaking it or not? i think most schools state a certain percent pass rate on just a certain academic class year.
the 88% national pass rate is first time test takers only
AZPod first time pass rate for part 2 this year was 96% (aka: one person did not pass). Got the official word from our clerkship coordinator the other day.
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Congrats to Scholl 2014!
NYCPM 2014 also managed to achieve a 100% pass rate on Part 2 after the retest! The initial pass rate was 94%.
Wishing everyone the best of luck in the match!
NYCPM 2014 also managed to achieve a 100% pass rate on Part 2 after the retest! The initial pass rate was 94%.
Wishing everyone the best of luck in the match!
So what schools did so poorly to bring down the average?
We were sent the following (below), but were not provided the overall pass rate with the second time takers. There's an IPMSA meeting tomorrow; perhaps it will be discussed there.
The first time pass rate on APMLE Part II of the national board exam was 91% compared to a national pass rate of 88%. CPMS scored higher in all five
sections compared to the national performance with the strongest sections being (1) Anesthesia/Surgery, (2) Orthopedics, Biomechanics and Sports
Medicine and (3) Radiology. The greatest differential between CPMS and the national performance was in Radiology at 7.8%.
The first time pass rate on APMLE Part II of the national board exam was 91% compared to a national pass rate of 88%. CPMS scored higher in all five
sections compared to the national performance with the strongest sections being (1) Anesthesia/Surgery, (2) Orthopedics, Biomechanics and Sports
Medicine and (3) Radiology. The greatest differential between CPMS and the national performance was in Radiology at 7.8%.
The NBPME doesn't calculate/publish an "overall" pass rate after the second administration. We get that number from CASPR once they run the match. CASPR/the AACPM probably have the pass rate now, or could figure it out real easily, but I wouldn't trust any student who says they know it until a day or two before March 20th.
I believe that the pass rate after second re-take from Temple was either 99% or 100% according to our assistant dean. First time was around 90%.
Overall I am relatively surprised since I thought that the national average would be lower this year due to the fact that in the last couple years part 2 has been passed in the high 90s percent.
Overall I am relatively surprised since I thought that the national average would be lower this year due to the fact that in the last couple years part 2 has been passed in the high 90s percent.
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Not sure what you mean by this when first time pass rate for USMLE Step 1-3 hover around the 95-99%.
What's your source? Plus as I said its just my opinion!
I think the underlying assumption of your opinion is that "unqualified" (we've used the word "qualified" every which way lately so read this as "not up to par") candidates are slipping through. The MD/DO pass rate approaches 100%, but their approach seems to be that the test is used as a method to distinguish themselves from one another. Our test is a final filter to try and stop the worst from slipping through or lately as the only hope for disqualifying enough candidates from the class of 2014 so that the class of 2013 will have some seats leftover.
Barry Part 2 pass rate is 89%.
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