Official 2005 EVMS waitlist thread

[futuredocter]

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I just wanted to start an EVMS waitlist thread for all those people out there who are on the EVMS waitlist. As the saying goes, "misery enjoys company". I am hoping that this thread can be a place where all of us can be updated by each other as far as waitlist movement. Let me begin by saying that I interviewed back in February and am on the top 1/3 of the waitlist.

 

[mdsh00]

I interviewed back in September (first day of Interviews actually) and am currently in the middle 1/3. I don't have any acceptances so....

 

[kylahs]

interviewed mid Nov, waitlisted at the top 1/3rd.
plus, EVMS was my #1 choice from the start, and is now my last hope

 

[RunnerMD]

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVED EVMS!!! Definitely my top choice. I'm waitlisted there (middle of the middle third) and spoke with admissions today. They said there was a little movement last week. Keep this thread updated so we don't have to harass the admissions office! Good luck everyone

 

[subtle1epiphany]

Interviewed beginning of Feb, waitlisted about halfway through the month in the top 1/3. Then slipped to the very top of the middle 1/3.
I'm in at a couple DO schools, as you can see below, but EVMS is my #1 for so many reasons and I've let them know that. Keep them updated guys!

I guess they did have some movement in the list because I found out on Friday that I'm in the top 1/3 now. 😀
Although I think I'm going to call back and check tomorrow as the phone call was breaking up as I was asking.

Best of luck to everyone!

 

[NCSUco04]

Interviewed January, found out afterwards that I was in the middle third of the waiting list. I'll probably call this week and see if that's changed at all.

 

[premedgeek]

Rejected mid September, pre-August scores.

Got an interview after calling post-August MCAT scores.

Interviewed mid-November.

Waitlisted mid-December, initially top 1/3, middle 1/3(since April 1).

I would love to go there if accepted but middle 1/3 doesn't look too good (and the fact that I was rejected once)

 

[kylahs]

I guess they did have some movement in the list because I found out on Friday that I'm in the top 1/3 now. 😀

that's awesome news. congrats. It's a step closer to an acceptance.

I interviewed back in September (first day of Interviews actually) and am currently in the middle 1/3. I don't have any acceptances so....

when did u get bumped down from the top 1/3rd? that sucks

 

[RaaMD]

I was originally placed in the upper 1/3. I didn't know that your position on the waitlist could be bumped down. How does that happen?

 

[Ames980]

as more people interview after you, they could get a higher score or whatnot, placing them in the upper 1/3 and bumping down everyone whos below them...

 

[futuredocter]

I called today and was told there was a little bit of movement on the wailist last week. I was told I was still on the top third of the waitlist. Anybody else have any other news.

 

[subtle1epiphany]

Called today, as I do almost every week it seems, I'm at the same place in the waitlist. However, what prompted me to post is what I was told regarding my position within the 1/3. The lady on the other side of the line said that the applicants within each 1/3 is unranked. I've read otherwise, I think, on this forum and while I don't doubt her, is there anything to be read into regarding her comment?
So would this mean that in the top 1/3rd, I have as much chance as anyone else in the top 1/3rd? I wonder if it comes down to your interview and associated scores, and being the type of student they need at that time.

 

[RaaMD]

Bottom of Top 1/3 of waitlist because I wasn't invited to second look weekend. Good luck everyone.

 

[RunnerMD]

Called today, as I do almost every week it seems, I'm at the same place in the waitlist. However, what prompted me to post is what I was told regarding my position within the 1/3. The lady on the other side of the line said that the applicants within each 1/3 is unranked. I've read otherwise, I think, on this forum and while I don't doubt her, is there anything to be read into regarding her comment?
So would this mean that in the top 1/3rd, I have as much chance as anyone else in the top 1/3rd? I wonder if it comes down to your interview and associated scores, and being the type of student they need at that time.

I've heard before that when it comes to being taken off the waitlist, your position WITHIN the third doesn't necessarily matter. Your gender and location (in-state v. out-of-state) determines which candidates they select (e.g. a girl from CA gives up her spot, then they start to look at all of the out-of-state girls in the top third).

However, it seems odd that they would tell people their location (top, middle, bottom) WITHIN each third, if it didn't matter. Maybe, you're "rank" within the third is only relevant when it comes to moving up and down the categories/thirds. For instance, maybe your rank determines whether you're bumped up from the middle to the top third. Just my guess! Anyone know anything more definitive?

Good Luck Everyone

 

[kylahs]

Bottom of Top 1/3 of waitlist because I wasn't invited to second look weekend. Good luck everyone.

the invites could have been randomly given to students in the top 1/3rd.

 

[dopaminophile]

the invites could have been randomly given to students in the top 1/3rd.

It doesn't make sense to me that they would do anything randomly, but who am I to say?

I called way back when the 2nd look invites came in and was told in which third I stand. After I pushed and prodded her a little bit, she said that while the waitlists aren't ranked, people are likely to come off off their third according to demographic and interview score. She wouldn't tell me where my interview score put me, but she suggested which part of my third in which I was likely to be. Who knows? The good news is that the waitlist is moving and it will only continue to move more later!

 

[kylahs]

It doesn't make sense to me that they would do anything randomly, but who am I to say?

It makes sense if we assume that the top third of the waitlist is unranked and if we consider the fact that second looks are designed primarily for people already accepted.

However, it seems odd that they would tell people their location (top, middle, bottom) WITHIN each third, if it didn't matter. Maybe, your "rank" within the third is only relevant when it comes to moving up and down the categories/thirds. For instance, maybe your rank determines whether you're bumped up from the middle to the top third.

It does seem odd. Did they actually tell anyone his/her location within the top 1/3rd, or were the only instances of this happening in the middle 1/3rd? I have yet to see anyone on SDN say that they were told they were in the bottom/middle/top of the top 1/3rd.

EDIT: from what Subtle posted earlier, he was told he was in the top of the middle third a few weeks ago, and last week he was bumped up into the top third. However, this time when he inquired on his position within the top third, he was told that applicants are not ranked within each third. Subtle: could you have misunderstood? Maybe the person meant that only the top third is unranked. If so, RunnerMD is right. Your "rank" only determines what third you are in, but once you enter into the top third (and stay there), it's level ground. Demographics and other criteria unrelated to academic ability determine who gets pulled off from the waitlist. I suppose LOIs wouldn't hurt.

 

[subtle1epiphany]

It does seem odd. Did they actually tell anyone his/her location within the top 1/3rd, or were the only instances of this happening in the middle 1/3rd? I have yet to see anyone on SDN say that they were told they were in the bottom/middle/top of the top 1/3rd.

Actually, you've got a good point. I haven't read of any post where someone was told where they were within the top 1/3. The only instance otherwise has been those who were formally invited to the preview weekend. This may have been a lone instance though. Like most of us, I've been thinking about this for a while. Let us know what you think.


hey dopaminophile! whats up!? haven't heard from you since the weekend a month ago, how're things?

 

[kylahs]

I realize there are confusing and inconsistent elements in my previous post. I was trying to reconcile the seemingly contradictory information given to students about whether or not the waitlist is ranked. Here is a better formulation:

The EVMS waitlist is obviously ranked; otherwise there would be no talk of being in the upper or middle third (or tercile, but is this a word?). To determine placement on the waitlist, your interview score and other aspects of your application are taken into account. You are given a numerical rank based on this information. If you are given the highest rank, you are placed, by necessity, at the top of the waitlist. Your position on the waitlist can thus be described as "top of the top third." However, this position is useless. It does not mean you are next in line to be taken off from the waitlist. It just means that it is close to impossible for you to get bumped down into the middle third. But if you are in the top of the middle third, you have every reason to be hopeful since you have a good chance of being bumped up into the top third (someone in the top third might withdraw their application).
Once you are in the top third, you have an equal chance of being pulled from the waitlist as everyone else in the top third (until other factors, mentioned below, come into play).

Why do they tell us the top third is a great place to be, when your position in the top third is virtually meaningless when it comes to being pulled off from the waitlist? Because EVMS has a lot of waitlist movement. And there is reason to believe that almost everyone in the top third who shows continued interest in the school will be offered an acceptance; past threads show some people pulled off from the middle third.

So what are the criteria for being pulled from the waitlist? First, you won't even be considered unless you are in the top third, or unless the top third has been exhausted. Second, demographics and other criteria unrelated to your academic ability take into play. Third, LOIs.

I still suspect your initial rank is an important determining factor in getting pulled from the waitlist (aside from being placed into a specific tercile). But I believe this formulation reconciles the disparities posted on SDN. Anyone disagree?

 

[futuredocter]

I feel like your explanation made a lot of sense. It really feels like they will choose people off the top third of the wailist based on demographics and perhaps ethnicity rather than some strict ranking order. Hovever, I don't know if they are bound to exhausting the top third before dipping their hand into any of the other thirds of the waitlist. Especially if they are looking for a certain type of person to fill their class.

I realize there are confusing and inconsistent elements in my previous post. I was trying to reconcile the seemingly contradictory information given to students about whether or not the waitlist is ranked. Here is a better formulation:

The EVMS waitlist is obviously ranked; otherwise there would be no talk of being in the upper or middle third (or tercile, but is this a word?). To determine placement on the waitlist, your interview score and other aspects of your application are taken into account. You are given a numerical rank based on this information. If you are given the highest rank, you are placed, by necessity, at the top of the waitlist. Your position on the waitlist can thus be described as "top of the top third." However, this position is useless. It does not mean you are next in line to be taken off from the waitlist. It just means that it is close to impossible for you to get bumped down into the middle third. But if you are in the top of the middle third, you have every reason to be hopeful since you have a good chance of being bumped up into the top third (someone in the top third might withdraw their application).
Once you are in the top third, you have an equal chance of being pulled from the waitlist as everyone else in the top third (until other factors, mentioned below, come into play).

Why do they tell us the top third is a great place to be, when your position in the top third is virtually meaningless when it comes to being pulled off from the waitlist? Because EVMS has a lot of waitlist movement. And there is reason to believe that almost everyone in the top third who shows continued interest in the school will be offered an acceptance; past threads show some people pulled off from the middle third.

So what are the criteria for being pulled from the waitlist? First, you won't even be considered unless you are in the top third, or unless the top third has been exhausted. Second, demographics and other criteria unrelated to your academic ability take into play. Third, LOIs.

I still suspect your initial rank is an important determining factor in getting pulled from the waitlist (aside from being placed into a specific tercile). But I believe this formulation reconciles the disparities posted on SDN. Anyone disagree?

 

[subtle1epiphany]

Any news or thoughts?

 

[kylahs]

Any news or thoughts?

well just last night i actually dreamt twice that i received an acceptance letter from EVMS. so the waitlist is definitely moving, at least in my dreams. 🙂

Hovever, I don't know if they are bound to exhausting the top third before dipping their hand into any of the other thirds of the waitlist. Especially if they are looking for a certain type of person to fill their class.

If they are looking for a certain type of person to fill their class, I think they'd look for that person in the top third first, and if there is no match, then the middle third. So in a sense the top third has to be exhausted (in terms of the right person, unrelated to academics) before they dip into the middle third. I'm starting to think that each third is physically separated from each other in the admin office, rather than just a convenient numerical division. And I wonder if in the past, the people in the middle third that received an acceptance, were they at some point bumped up into the top third (knowingly or unknowingly) and then given an acceptance, or was the acceptance given to them while they were in the middle third. Based on our theory, both occurrences are possible, with the former being more likely (i.e. they were in the top of the middle third, and then eventually bumped into the top third as the waitlist moved).

 

[beachywahoo05]

I'm sooooo excited!!! A month ago I was told that I was in the middle third...so I wasn't expecting to hear for a while, and I thought my chances were slim. Just proof that there is hope!! And there is movement!

 

[liverotcod]

I should think that the next week or two will be big for movement, what with the May 15 deadline falling this weekend. Good luck to you all!

 

[subtle1epiphany]

I'm sooooo excited!!! A month ago I was told that I was in the middle third...so I wasn't expecting to hear for a while, and I thought my chances were slim. Just proof that there is hope!! And there is movement!

Congrats!
It's great to hear that people are coming off the waitlist, and I hope it's everything you wanted!

That said...wow...I'm really jealous 😀 <- green with envy

Let's keep the hope alive!

 

[kylahs]

I'm sooooo excited!!! A month ago I was told that I was in the middle third...so I wasn't expecting to hear for a while, and I thought my chances were slim. Just proof that there is hope!! And there is movement!

your post caught me off guard. I didnt expect EVMS to dip into the middle third this early. Unless you got bumped unknowingly into the top third since you heard about being waitlisted?

anyway, congrats on the acceptance. Like Subtle mentioned, we're a jealous bunch 😉 but I'm sure you deserve it.

are u instate/out of state?

 

[LUBDUBB]

I'm sooooo excited!!! A month ago I was told that I was in the middle third...so I wasn't expecting to hear for a while, and I thought my chances were slim. Just proof that there is hope!! And there is movement!

Oh my goodness..thats awesome...I'm also in the middle third and just hope that they pick me toooo...congrats

 

[dopaminophile]

Actually, you've got a good point. I haven't read of any post where someone was told where they were within the top 1/3. The only instance otherwise has been those who were formally invited to the preview weekend. This may have been a lone instance though. Like most of us, I've been thinking about this for a while. Let us know what you think.


hey dopaminophile! whats up!? haven't heard from you since the weekend a month ago, how're things?

Hey Subtle... after I got back from the preview weekend I was really psyched about EVMS and everything going on there. Thinking I would take an acceptance if offered, I started reading everything I could find on the status of the school and all of the less sugar coated things. A couple of recent articles by the Norfolk local paper highlighted the financial difficulties and the turmoil in the administration, with the dean and president both resigning in the past year, and I got a little nervous about the whole thing. The only acceptance I'm still holding is Loyola, so I thought that'd be a sweet place to go and is quite a bit more stable, is better funded, and I leaned away from EVMS. Just last week, though, I went back out to Chicago to look at the area and poke around the school again. Loyola rocks, but I wasn't really as inspired as I was hoping to be. I don't like Chicago near as much as I like Norfolk and I really, really like the clinical training that EVMS does so early. I really don't think that the financial and administrative problems should be a deal-breaker either, so now, I'm wavering back to EVMS. My problem is that I've been out of touch with the admissions office since preview weekend and I need to get back on the ball and write Bob McCombs a letter.

Good luck to everyone trying to get off of the waitlist! We'll need to have an SDN get-together when we ALL first get to Norfolk for orientation.

cheers

 

[beachywahoo05]

are u instate/out of state?

I'm in-state....and also from the area. I heard that they like that.

 

[jiggaman]

wow congrats to u for getting in...lil confused tho on how this works...i called two days ago and im still in the top third since i was first waitlisted..and havent heard a thing..but im out of state. i dont know how this tier system works..

 

[RunnerMD]

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[RunnerMD]

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[kylahs]

This would explain why some applicants who recently moved into the top third are getting acceptances BEFORE others who have been in the top third for a longer period of time.

I agree. This particular waitlist movement confirms that the top third is level ground for everyone. Beachy wasn't just in the middle third a month ago, he is in-state. Now, how many in-state people do you suppose were in the top third when Beachy was in the middle third? Quite a few. If the waitlist was ranked (in the sense that your rank determines when you get off from the waitlist), it would have been a bit longer before he received an acceptance.

He is also from the area. As he said, being from the area is definitely a plus since they believe you are more likely to practice in the area (that is after all primarily why EVMS was established--to churn up more local physicians). So this fact also supports the demographics theory, and why he was offered an acceptance earlier than most people in the top third. I'm sure there are other factors involved, but his location is probably the most important.

Beachy: I apologize for analyzing your case to the extent I did. As you can tell, I'm a lil obsessed with the waitlist, but I'm sure you understand. 🙂 Congrats again on the acceptance. How did you hear about it?

 

[futuredocter]

Anyone tried calling the admissions office recently (last several days). Everytime I call I get the answering machine telling me to leave a message. I just want to check on my status but now I can't even do that. What the hell.

 

[subtle1epiphany]

Anyone tried calling the admissions office recently (last several days). Everytime I call I get the answering machine telling me to leave a message. I just want to check on my status but now I can't even do that. What the hell.

That's strange, I've never gotten any type of machine when I called. What time are you calling, maybe it's during their lunch hour or something.

It's May 15th!
Best of luck to us all! 👍
Go waitlist, Go!!!

 

[futuredocter]

That's strange, I've never gotten any type of machine when I called. What time are you calling, maybe it's during their lunch hour or something.

It's May 15th!
Best of luck to us all! 👍
Go waitlist, Go!!!

I called at around 10 a.m and around 3:30 - 4:00 in the afternoon on like Thursday and Friday this past week. I could not get anyone. It would like go immediately to the answering service.

 

[dopaminophile]

I've been studying up hard on my EVMS recently... here's a really excellent internal report from EVMS on their own performance. It's particularly useful to those of us deciding whether to take a waitlist spot if offered. Good luck all!

http://www.evms.edu/admin/docs/performance-trends.pdf

 

[Ames980]

ok - kind of silly question, but just to be sure -- you get accepted off of the waitlist via snailmail, no?

 

[subtle1epiphany]

ok - kind of silly question, but just to be sure -- you get accepted off of the waitlist via snailmail, no?

Not at all a silly question. A very important one. I'm sure they send you information and documents by post, but I seem to remember EVMS being a phone school. I just have this strong feeling that they will be calling those who are accepted.
Man, am I hoping for the call of my life soon! 😀

 

[Ames980]

tell me about it - i carry my phone around waiting for it to ring, like a 14 year old waiting for that cute boy for friday's date haha

 

[RunnerMD]

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[subtle1epiphany]

Runner -
I haven't heard that, not that I remember, but it sounds kind of harsh. Then again, EVMS is looking for students who are basically in love with their school, which most of us probably are, so we should be okay...right?

I echo your wish to keep this thread active and to keep some burden off the office staff.

I haven't called yet, I figure that they'll need a little time to collect all the withdraws, then re-organize things, and decide. Next week I'm heading to upstate NY, I'll probably call from there with some questions. When I do I'll definitely post.

Best of luck to us all! 👍

 

[dopaminophile]

I have a vague recollection of someone saying that there's a very short response time for waitlist offers as orientation approaches. Somewhere else in the forums (perhaps in this thread actually) somebody mentioned a 2 week response time. I can easily imagine that they require a quicker response two days before orientation than they do right now.

That being said, I did call the admissions office yesterday to confirm that Dr. McCombs got my letter and to check on my status. Whoever answered the phone was significantly more tight-lipped about the waitlist than last time I called, before preview weekend. All she would tell me is in which third I reside.

Cheers,

-dope-

 

[RaaMD]

Hi everyone. Congratulations on making it this far at EVMS. I have been on the waitlist since February, and received an acceptance letter today by snail mail. It mentioned that I had ten days from the date of the letter to decide. I am deciding between Drexel and EVMS. I will keep you guys/gals updated. BTW: I was placed in the upper tier after my interview.

 

[dopaminophile]

Congrats RaaMD!

 

[inferno]

Hi everyone
I called EVMS today and the woman told me i was in the upper third but confirmed that they do not necessarily pick from the top of the list when they choose who comes off the waitlist. she said "if we are truly interested" to email the dean. (so why do they rank us at all??!?! )

has anyone else heard anything simmilar from them?

 

[RaaMD]

Hi everyone
I called EVMS today and the woman told me i was in the upper third but confirmed that they do not necessarily pick from the top of the list when they choose who comes off the waitlist. she said "if we are truly interested" to email the dean. (so why do they rank us at all??!?! )

has anyone else heard anything simmilar from them?

Guys, I made a post about being accepted yesterday. I should mention what I did that helped get me off the waitlist. I emailed my interviewer for advice, sent in additional transcripts, two letters of interest, additional letters of rec, updates on any new volunteer activities/projects. What sealed the deal was my email to the dean. Be tactful in how you email him, it will make a difference. Make it sincere and not too long. Anything that I needed to write that was long and drawn out was put in paper and snail mailed. The dean said after the email, that I should expect a letter of acceptance shortly. He thanked me for my continued effort.

 

[kylahs]

Hi everyone
I called EVMS today and the woman told me i was in the upper third but confirmed that they do not necessarily pick from the top of the list when they choose who comes off the waitlist. she said "if we are truly interested" to email the dean. (so why do they rank us at all??!?! )

That's what we've wondered since getting conflicting information about the waitlist (see earlier posts). I think the best explanation on why there are three tiers is that they are physically separated (that is, each tier is a different stack or in a different filing cabinet, rather than having one large stack with each file labeled accordingly). Candidates from the top tier are first to be considered for acceptances.

Congrats RaaMD. yeah, let us know what you decide. and thanks for posting the tips

 

[dopaminophile]

bumping up... what's the latest folks? Any news last week?

 

[kylahs]

Just called -- I'm in the middle third now. The last time I checked was early March, and back then I was in the top third.

not giving up hope though 👍