Official 2008-2009 REJECTION Thread!

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IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
WVU: Tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt]
 
I guess I should start preparing for that IU rejection, seeing as how I am also OOS.
 
This is for anyone who applied to IU or other state schools as an OOSer and have already gotten the axe: Why did you apply there? Were you unaware of their highly restrictive IS preference? Or did you have some reason or connection to the state that led you to believe you would not get summarily rejected, too?
 
JackInTheBox said:
To all the people who were rejected from IU, how did you find out? Email?
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Snail mail. And the rejection letter is somewhat nasty. It says something like "your record prevents us from considering you further," just blaming the applicant for not being good enough.

flip26 said:
This is for anyone who applied to IU or other state schools as an OOSer and have already gotten the axe: Why did you apply there? Were you unaware of their highly restrictive IS preference? Or did you have some reason or connection to the state that led you to believe you would not get summarily rejected, too?
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I applied to IU because I knew that they only sent secondaries to those that they interview. I figured it was worth a shot for only $30. I applied to some other public state schools (Maryland, Vermont) because I really really like those schools.
 
Although I'm still waiting for my rejection letter, I applied to IU using the same logic as chad5871.

Also, their class size is like 300 students. So while the OOS% may not be favorable, I figured I should give it a shot.
 
UTnut said:
Although I'm still waiting for my rejection letter, I applied to IU using the same logic as chad5871.

Also, their class size is like 300 students. So while the OOS% may not be favorable, I figured I should give it a shot.
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Given the low likelihood of even getting to the interview stage at IU, did you think of it as a "reach/dream" school, and a high tuition one at that? I don't know how competitive you are, but it seems to me that you might have had more chance at success applying to a Top 30 private school than to IU...and the tuition wouldn't be any worse at a private than it almost certainly would be at IU...

I guess I don't really understand applying to an OOS school like IU if you don't have any connection to the school or the state...lots of people do it, though, but almost all of them end up on the pre-secondary reject pile...these "rejection" threads are littered with the OOS rejects...

Edit: just looked at your MDApps...why in the world did you apply to so many OOS publics where you have very little chance? You are otherwise quite competitive...why not apply to some of the Top 30 privates instead? Were you unaware of the odds against this? And even if you somehow get an acceptance, the tuition will be very high for OOS...
 
Maybe they were schools he wanted to go to? Like you said, he's a very competitive applicant. If anyone could get accepted at an OOS public school, it'd be him. I don't see any reason not to apply somewhere if you've got decent scores and want to go there.
 
flip26 said:
This is for anyone who applied to IU or other state schools as an OOSer and have already gotten the axe: Why did you apply there? Were you unaware of their highly restrictive IS preference? Or did you have some reason or connection to the state that led you to believe you would not get summarily rejected, too?
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Last year, IU interviewed 40 out of 250 internationals. That is pretty damn high. Many other schools I am applying to interview ~5% of internationals. For $30, it was well worth a try. Money is really not a concern at this point.
 
MilkmanAl said:
Maybe they were schools he wanted to go to? Like you said, he's a very competitive applicant. If anyone could get accepted at an OOS public school, it'd be him. I don't see any reason not to apply somewhere if you've got decent scores and want to go there.
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But not at schools that routinely reject almost all OOS applications UNLESS the applicant has a connection to the state.

Seems more likely he did not do his homework and is misinterpreting the OOS acceptance chances and stats at these schools. If he was looking for OOS publics to round out his primaries, he should have looked at the 3 VA schools that accept lots of OOS (UVa, EVMS, and VCU), and maybe some of the others that give OOS applicants a fair look: Michigan, Vermont, SUNYs, Penn State...he also would be fairly competitive at a bunch of well regarded private schools that in all likelihood would end up being less expensive to attend than the OOS publics...

PS: it is not too late for him to apply to some of the schools I listed above - I strongly recommend the VA schools for him.

Around half the 19 schools he has applied to are OOS publics where he has very low chances...if he was trying to increase his chances at an allo school beyond his instates, he went about it in a funny way...
 
bozz said:
Last year, IU interviewed 40 out of 250 internationals. That is pretty damn high. Many other schools I am applying to interview ~5% of internationals. For $30, it was well worth a try. Money is really not a concern at this point.
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As an international applicant, your reasons are quite different than those for US citizens...
 
flip26 said:
But not at schools that routinely reject almost all OOS applications UNLESS the applicant has a connection to the state.

Seems more likely he did not do his homework and is misinterpreting the OOS acceptance chances and stats at these schools. If he was looking for OOS publics to round out his primaries, he should have looked at the 3 VA schools that accept lots of OOS (UVa, EVMS, and VCU), and maybe some of the others that give OOS applicants a fair look: Michigan, Vermont, SUNYs, Penn State...he also would be fairly competitive at a bunch of well regarded private schools that in all likelihood would end up being less expensive to attend than the OOS publics...

PS: it is not too late for him to apply to some of the schools I listed above - I strongly recommend the VA schools for him.

Around half the 19 schools he has applied to are OOS publics where he has very low chances...if he was trying to increase his chances at an allo school beyond his instates, he went about it in a funny way...
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chill out mom
 
flip26 said:
Bitter because you got the early boot from IU for the very reasons I am describing - no state ties?

LOL
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lol nope. Sounds like you're the bitter one judging by your posts. Good luck with your app cycle too. Adios.
 
bozz said:
lol nope. Sounds like you're the bitter one judging by your posts. Good luck with your app cycle too. Adios.
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You couldn't be further from the truth. I am a realist, and I am cynical, and I don't mince words. But bitter? I have nothing to be bitter about, but it sounds like you do...

buh bye!
 
flip26 said:
You couldn't be further from the truth. I am a realist, and I am cynical, and I don't mince words. But bitter? I have nothing to be bitter about, but it sounds like you do...

buh bye!
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Oh for God's sake, there's a difference between being a realist and being purposefully, inexplicably abrasive. Worry about your own applications!
 
LET said:
Oh for God's sake, there's a difference between being a realist and being purposefully, inexplicably abrasive. Worry about your own applications!
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Was thinking the same thing. Stop being so affronting and try to be supportive/cooperative. This is a support forum, not an outlet for your socially destructive gunner mentality.
 
This thread is great👍 I thought I was the only one in the country to get the IU rejection. Agreed the words were rather harsh. Oddly enough I have VERY strong OOS ties, which they cite is different than simplyy OOS. My stepmom is alum. Her and my father reside in Indy and I attended school there up until my sophomore year. Additionally, my uncle has a scholarship in his name. Must have been my MCAT....


IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
WVU: Tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt]
 
Flip is just being honest here. This is the biggest problem with our generation. Somebody says something that we don't like/don't want to hear, and they are automatically labeled as the bad guy. Flip wrote what he did in a direct manner that wasn't rude if you ask me.
 
UVAbme2009 said:
Flip is just being honest here. This is the biggest problem with our generation. Somebody says something that we don't like/don't want to hear, and they are automatically labeled as the bad guy. Flip wrote what he did in a direct manner that wasn't rude if you ask me.
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It is called tact. The wording of the post was unnecessarily degrading and accusatory.
 
I do have family that lives in Indiana, although I don't necessarily consider that a strong tie to the state. However, getting rejected pre secondary doesn't exactly give you a shot at explaining any ties you may have.

In regards to the schools I applied to, my OOS schools were dictated by location. I have either lived in, or have family/in-laws that live in all of those states. I initially planned to only apply IS, but since I had to complete AMCAS to apply to Baylor I figured I would throw in a few more schools to calm my nerves. It would take a lot to get me to go to an OOS school if I get accepted IS.

Good luck to everyone applying this year. Hopefully this thread won't grow too long!


Oh, and I did review the MSAR prior to applying and I do realize that a number of my selections have low OOS%.
 
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IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
WVU: Tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
Shouldn't be allowed within 50 miles of medical school: Chubbychaser
 
chessknt87 said:
Was thinking the same thing. Stop being so affronting and try to be supportive/cooperative. This is a support forum, not an outlet for your socially destructive gunner mentality.
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I posted because others who have not yet applied may learn from this guy's mistake. Maybe he doesn't think his app choices were a mistake, but other's reading this thread may learn something about OOS apps in certain states and choose to avoid his fate.

A "support" forum? How about a forum where information and opinions are shared...

And it is kind of interesting that the poster in question has not taken my comments so personally as some of you other more sensitive types in need of emotional support...
 
UTnut said:
I do have family that lives in Indiana, although I don't necessarily consider that a strong tie to the state. However, getting rejected pre secondary doesn't exactly give you a shot at explaining any ties you may have.

In regards to the schools I applied to, my OOS schools were dictated by location. I have either lived in, or have family/in-laws that live in all of those states. I initially planned to only apply IS, but since I had to complete AMCAS to apply to Baylor I figured I would throw in a few more schools to calm my nerves. It would take a lot to get me to go to an OOS school if I get accepted IS.

Good luck to everyone applying this year. Hopefully this thread won't grow too long!


Oh, and I did review the MSAR prior to applying and I do realize that a number of my selections have low OOS%.
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First, good luck to you, but I don't think you need any luck. You will have no problem getting into a Texas school.

And your comment above is exactly what I have been thinking - these OOS schools that only go by your primary may be missing the tie you have to the state when they summarily reject applicants out of hand. IU seems to be the most egregious in this regard...it will actually be interesting to see how you and others do at the rest of the schools...I hope you will continue to update SDN and your MDApps - your example is an interesting test case for applying OOS with strong numbers.
 
EVMS: phenol312 (OOS; Presec 3.37/31)
IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
WVU: Tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
Shouldn't be allowed within 50 miles of medical school: Chubbychaser
 
flip26 said:
I posted because others who have not yet applied may learn from this guy's mistake. Maybe he doesn't think his app choices were a mistake, but other's reading this thread may learn something about OOS apps in certain states and choose to avoid his fate.
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I think your mistake was in assuming that people want your unsolicited analysis of their app choices. If someone asks for advice on their choices, by all means be honest and brutal if necessary, but the rejection thread is not the place to do it.
 
flip26 said:
This is for anyone who applied to IU or other state schools as an OOSer and have already gotten the axe: Why did you apply there? Were you unaware of their highly restrictive IS preference? Or did you have some reason or connection to the state that led you to believe you would not get summarily rejected, too?
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I have a ton of family in the midwest. Two of my brothers (I have 5 siblings total) live there as well as many of my aunts, uncles, and cousins. It would also bring me closer to other states where I have family (Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois). I also liked their program so I thought why not. So I apply and was politely rejected, but I had to give it a shot to be closer to some family.
 
breeak said:
I think your mistake was in assuming that people want your unsolicited analysis of their app choices. If someone asks for advice on their choices, by all means be honest and brutal if necessary, but the rejection thread is not the place to do it.
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Dude, the poster in question has his MDApps attached to his SDN, more or less an open invitation to questions.

People who do NOT want others asking questions about their apps should NOT link to their MDApps...

PS - with that low GPA, your apps are a tad "reach" heavy, no? Good luck.
 
flip26 said:
Dude, the poster in question has his MDApps attached to his SDN, more or less an open invitation to questions.

People who do NOT want others asking questions about their apps should NOT link to their MDApps...
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No, people can be offering their mdapps for informational purposes only. I mean, it seems like pretty basic manners to know that if you are going to offer criticism it's best if they ask you for it. And on the rejection thread no less. 🙄 It takes a certain amount of courage and openness to post your rejections for the benefit of the rest of the group, correct? Way to discourage that...it's not like they can go fix their mistake (if it was in fact a mistake).

Anyway, whatever, you and I don't see eye to eye. Let's leave it at that.
 
Y'all need to chill.
 
breeak said:
No, people can be offering their mdapps for informational purposes only. I mean, it seems like pretty basic manners to know that if you are going to offer criticism it's best if they ask you for it. And on the rejection thread no less. 🙄 It takes a certain amount of courage and openness to post your rejections for the benefit of the rest of the group, correct? Way to discourage that...it's not like they can go fix their mistake (if it was in fact a mistake).
Anyway, whatever, you and I don't see eye to eye. Let's leave it at that.
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It is July. The poster in question has time to go back and submit some more apps to other schools if he chooses (and I offered some suggestions). If others are reading these threads who have not yet applied (or made a similar choice of schools and now have second thoughts), they can modify or add to their app list, too.

It is not like it is April and I am pointing out to some poor slob his "mistake" that left him with zero acceptances...it is July - still time to get things right for him and others...
 
Phenol312 said:
EVMS: phenol312 (OOS; Presec 3.37/31)
IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
WVU: Tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
Shouldn't be allowed within 50 miles of medical school: Chubbychaser
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bump
 
I figured I might ask this here instead of making a new thread... how long after your application is complete at a school does it go under review and a decision is made whether to offer an interview or not?
 
breeak said:
I think your mistake was in assuming that people want your unsolicited analysis of their app choices. If someone asks for advice on their choices, by all means be honest and brutal if necessary, but the rejection thread is not the place to do it.
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👍👍👍. This cannot possibly be repeated too many times. (yes, regarding flip, as well)
 
EVMS: phenol312 (OOS; Presec 3.37/31)
IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
Wake Forest: tianac2 (presec)
WVU: tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
 
The last thing you'd want to do is take advice from a cynical premed. Sorry, but they're at the bottom of my list.

Moving on

I'd much, much rather take advice from a successful matriculant. The general consensus is: apply everywhere you can, don't worry about the money. If there is one common regret I see with many matriculants, it's that they underestimated their chances and did not apply to more schools that they just might have gotten into.
 
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EVMS: phenol312 (OOS; Presec 3.37/31)
IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
Wake Forest: tianac2 (presec)
WVU: tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
That Girl In The Lab Across The Hall: ColKurtz (pre-fornication)
 
My God, there's a gunner in the thread...!

...who said he or she was leaving and then continued to... gun.


I think I'm one-upping the schools this cycle. Can't reject me without first having a secondary to shred/burn/spit upon/tear to pieces/chew ravenously first!:laugh:👍:luck:
 
just a question -- how do you guys know you were rejected already for presec's??

and p.s. stop hating on west virginia!! 🙂
 
qtMD said:
just a question -- how do you guys know you were rejected already for presec's??

and p.s. stop hating on west virginia!! 🙂
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A lot of them are by email. I know VCU does that. Not sure about the rest.
 
EVMS: phenol312 (OOS; Presec 3.37/31)
IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
VCU:rjpark2 (OOS; Presec)
Wake Forest: tianac2 (presec)
WVU: tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
That Girl In The Lab Across The Hall: ColKurtz (pre-fornication)


didn't wanna go to vcu anyway. 😡
 
EVMS: phenol312 (OOS; Presec 3.37/31)
IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
VCU: rjpark2 (OOS;presec); StarStup (presec, OOS)
Wake Forest: tianac2 (presec)
WVU: tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
That Girl In The Lab Across The Hall: ColKurtz (pre-fornication)

Yeah I was rejected via email by VCU...and proud of it! 😀
 
bozz said:
The last thing you'd want to do is take advice from a cynical premed. Sorry, but they're at the bottom of my list.

Moving on

I'd much, much rather take advice from a successful matriculant. The general consensus is: apply everywhere you can, don't worry about the money. If there is one common regret I see with many matriculants, it's that they underestimated their chances and did not apply to more schools that they just might have gotten into.
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You do realize that most of the people responding to these threads is a pre-med, right? Good advice is good advice, no matter who provides it.

If you don't like what somebody says, or just don't like the way they say it, feel free to ignore it...
 
flip26 said:
You do realize that most of the people responding to these threads is a pre-med, right? Good advice is good advice, no matter who provides it.

If you don't like what somebody says, or just don't like the way they say it, feel free to ignore it...
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Dead horse is dead. Let it die.
 
EVMS: phenol312 (OOS; Presec 3.37/31)
IU: Maxwell Edison (OOS; Presec), bozz (OOC;out of country 😀; Presec), chad5871 (OOS; Presec), JDoc13 (7/23; OOS; Presec; 3.77/35), pjg (7/23; OOS; presec) runningdoc(7/23; OOS strong ties; Pre-sec)
Heaven:Iduwanna (OOS)
Mayo: chad5871 (OOS; Pre-LORs)
UW: Disorder (OOS; Presec)
VCU: rjpark2 (OOS;presec); StarStup (presec, OOS) RafaTech (presec, OOS)
Wake Forest: tianac2 (presec)
WVU: tianac 2 (presec)
Everywhere: MichiganEMTInt
That Girl In The Lab Across The Hall: ColKurtz (pre-fornication)
 
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